/lit/ - Literature

He was a nihilist tranny. And if I wanted to read about rich assholes and the lost generation I would read Fitzgerald, who at least was daring enough to use an adverb now and then

>>14166248
based

>>14166234
>one of the most noble and subtle authors of the 20th century?
am brainlet, explain

>>14166248
>rich assholes

The few books I've read of his the self inserts are usually working class war vets.

I think you mean Kerouac.

>>14166234
>when did you realize

Last Thursday.

>>14166234
hemingway is for the writer who is trying really hard to be a writer

>>14166234
Doesn't matter, he was retroactively BTFO by Faulkner.

>>14166234
When I was very young, now I've changed my view.

>>14166351
b a s e d

>>14166234
I like him a lot, and he is unfairly judged by liberal women and resentful men

I tried to read him around 16-18 and didn’t get it, came back later in my early 20s after some major shit went down in my life, one thing after another, and I found in him a serious kinship. Perhaps you have to have been depressed to really resonate with his work. I’ve read his 4 great novels, A Moveable Feast, and most of his short stories, and at different times I’ve seen the uniquely brilliant qualities in each. I think perhaps my favorite is For Whom the Bell Tolls, though other times I have also felt strongly about The Sun Also Rises and A Farewell to Arms.

I used to prefer Fitzgerald because of his prose, but now I can barely stand his male protagonists, and I think now that to really appreciate Hemingway’s prose you have to have a developed reading life, when I was young I felt his style was very sparse and pale, kind of sickly almost, now I feel the depths underneath much more

>>14166234
The fact that /lit/ hates Hemingway and Poe are two of the major reasons I take everything here with a grain of salt. He’s not my all-time favorite, but he’s very good.

>>14166351
Disgusting.

When I was reading it I was talking out loud to the book about how much I hated it.

>>14166736
Well I'm completely the opposite, I read nearly all his works when I was 17-19 and totally loved it. He does a good job at making me cry.

When I tried to re-read Old Man a few months ago I didn't feel nearly as much, but still felt that spark in some ways. I didn't feel the tears gradually coming on, but rather they came explosively. I would read a sentence, move on to the next, and then it would hit me. Strange how your perception of literature changes with time.

The more I read about Hemingway, things he wrote himself and also things written by others, the more I dislike him.

>>14166234
>t.just read Old Man And The Sea

>>14167265
How does it feel to be a retard who reads for the author? James Joyce and LF Céline were shitty unimportant people in real life (self-hating fart-sniffing weakling, and paranoid self-absorbed misanthrope, respectively) and they're the best prose writers of their century.

When he writes about Spain he's like some 30's equivalent of 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

>>14167415
James Joyce and Celine are likeable bad people though.

>>14167415
>the best prose writers
That's like congratulating an artist on being 'the best paint mixer in his country'.

The so-called (by brainlets like you) 'prose' is the most trivial and menial aspect of literature.

>>14166234
When I was fourteen.

14167509
bait too poor to deserve a (You)

>>14167509
You’re retarded and can’t form a proper analogy between mediums. The most obvious visual analog to prose would be brushwork, which clearly matters for th progress of painting (see the difference between Rembrandt and Keifer).

>>14166799
If it's not relatively obscure esoteric woo woo guff then /lit/ don't wanna know.

>>14167509
Your dismissal of prose is too glib, too.

The obsession with it in the generic sense here is misguided (what are they saying when they mean best? Most precise? Most luxurious? Most appropriate given context of tone, character, rhythm of scene, etc.?) but aside from the idea of humanity/character, language is the most fundamental, important element.