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I don't get why Jesus thought he had to turn himself in. Why not flee? It's like he was almost too selfless. You're not harming anybody by fleeing persecution, Jesus.

>>14145508
What sorrows did Jesus have before his ministry? Was he a sorrowful man?

>>14145558
>>14145508
Many of the times they did not think they were guilty of anything at all.

I mean by 'they', "executed 'prophets'". Ones like Moses, Jesus, Socrates, Joseph, etc etc these figures have existed since the dawn of time and will exist no matter how much civilization increases. They are the forefront of the battle between good and evil, and almost depressingly, evil seems to win every time.

If there ever were another prophet that everyone felt guilty of a crime, that is the one thing they would have to think twice about above all: his guilt. Perhaps he isn't guilty or infamous at all: perhaps he is just famous and unique. :3

>>14145558
t. biblical illiterate
>Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
>In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me. But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.
Matthew 26:53-56

>>14145558
He didn't want to which was why he asked for it to be taken from him. He turned himself in to fulfill the will of the Father.

>>14145586
jesus isn't a prophet, his death was to save humanity

was Jesus Jesus or was Jesus God?

>>14145643
Both

>>14145626
But doesn’t Jesus also say to ignore the scriptures of the prophets when the Pharisees tell him he didn’t match the description of the prophesied one in scripture

>>14145558
wasn't a coward. Courage , the heart of Christ, the will to take sacrifice to the end

>God
>feeling sorrow

>>14145670
>jeebuz
Stop shitting up this board REEEEEE

>>14145569
>born in a literal manger
>lived in exile for the first 7 years
>not able to join the purple robed class of priests (inherited position mostly)
>lived in total poverty
>became a carpenter and lived in obscurity until 30
>grew up in the midst of a wicked and adulterous generation so obdurate in sin that his good example alone would leave him friendless
>dismissed all his life in his home town and people judging him for what he does and not who he was, not seeing truth itself right before their eyes.

the description of the messiah in the old testament doesn't fit Jesus at all, the messiah is supposed to be a man, Not god or son of God, do christians just ignore this?

>>14145658
Jesus never says that. What does Jesus say about the prophets?
>Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Matthew 5:17-18).
On the contrary, Jesus is always entirely deferential to Scripture, both the law and the prophets. The Pharisaical criticisms of his claims of Messiahship were all incorrect applications of scripture. Some were simple ignorance--they knew that the Messiah must be born in Bethlehem; they just thought Jesus was born in Nazareth. "Out of Galilee ariseth no prophet" they say, totally ignoring that Elijah, great among the prophets, came from that region.

>>14145586
>>14145641
Being a prophet isn't what matters, it's matyrdom either way. Even Charles I died for what he believed in. Besides history has justified these people, Socrates is a massive hero and Jesus is a popstar.

>>14145670
Wrong.
>And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
He experienced the physiological pinnacle of sorrow, i.e. hematidrosis, where the vessels surrounding his sweat glands were so dilated that he sweated blood.

>>14145641
Every single one of those prophets died for humanity. Islam has the correct idea of Jesus: he was another prophet :3

>>14145586
>Joseph

>>14145717
Jesus was a man, and also the son of God, where's the contradiction?

>>14145877
it the son of god part, the messiah in the Old Testament isn't the son of god or god, he is nothing but a man, this is why jews till this day reject jesus

>>14145893
Jesus is both 100% God and 100% man. The Jews reject him because they're gay.

>>14145963
He was based as it gets.

>>14145963
>>14146956
Jesus was not heterosexual

>>14145508
God wouldn't torture His prophets

>>14146971
Yes he would.

>>14145508
>was full of sorrows
Such as?
>From his birth
How?
In many sources he is potrayed as mage, king, god, cult leader, child prodigy, teacher, infoanarchist, rebel, commie, even a samurai. And the only "bad things" that happened to him in life were of his own choice, he NEVER suffered. Masochistic, omnipotent, omniscient, inhuman creature could never understand nor feel the pains and struggles of powerless, weak, sick or fragile.

>>14147076
>>14145706

>>14147076
Christ was in so much sorrow in the garden of gethsemane he fell to the ground in tears and blood poured out of him. Christ had the worst life of anyone to ever live.

>>14147076
correct and the act of crucifixion meant purely physical pain - to a majority of reasonable people death is atrocious because it means never experiencing your loved ones again however Jesus did exactly that he was resurected and met with his apostles once more. this is why Kazantzakis "Last Temptation of Christ" presents a heretical albeit more human perspective on Jesus

Why do people say Jesus is God, but then describe him like a man.

Why didnt he just his omnipotence

>>14147134
by choice and because it's theologically required

>>14145963
You're an idiot because the OT is part of the bible so if you believe in Jesus, you need to believe the OT. They have the same God and it's literally canon.
>>14147134
The Trinity is where Christianity messed up. It wasn't even a part of early doctrine (nor will you find it in the bible, unless you include later edited and revised text that was added cenutires later) until it was introduced 300 years after Jesus' death at the council of Nicea

>>14147134
The same reason light passes through filters and assumes different colors but yet is still light. Consubstantiality.
>>14147158
Imagine being such a brainlet that you cannot reconcile the trinity.

>>14147158
>You're an idiot because the OT is part of the bible so if you believe in Jesus, you need to believe the OT. They have the same God and it's literally canon.

>judeo-christians actually believe this

stop lumping the God of Love in with the Demiurge. OT is Judaic poison

>>14147185
Christ is the OT made flesh.

>>14147185
>judeo-christian
AH HA HA HA

>>14147196
Then why does he repudiate in every sense the doctrine of an Israeli war god?

>>14147158

The Jews are the only group who finds fault in your proposition. The problem is with them, not the rest of Christianity. Heck, a large part of the New Testament is basically writings to the Jews explaining why they are wrong and that they need to fall in line.

>>14147177
You can't have 3 "independent" beings be 1. That's a literal contradiction. Jesus can't be 33% god, because you can't be 1/3rd God. That renders God as not omnipotent. And you can't have Jesus be 100% man and 100% god because there's no such thing as 200%.
The simplest refute is that you can't have 3 interdependent beings also be independent of each other.

>>14147185
Seething pagan denies own religion. Comedy

>>14147210
Not really I'm not Jewish or Christian. I'm just sceptical that as a Christian you must believe that the OT is the divine word of God yet here we have blasphemous claims saying otherwise

>>14147219
gods above contradictions and shit

>>14147219
>muh non contradiction
>muh logically impossible
>muh violates the nature of God
It's funny to watch idiots, who don't know anything about Christianity, complain about the Trinity.

>>14147219
>You can't have 3 "states of matter" beings be 1. That's a literal contradiction. Water can't be 33% ice, because you can't be 1/3rd water. That renders ice as not liquid water. And you can't have water be 100% ice and 100% steam because there's no such thing as 200%.

>>14147238
Not an argument
>>14147237
Horrendous statement of ignorance and nowhere to be seen in scripture

>>14147134
Good luck putting omnipotence inside a man, that's just going to crash the universe. Omnipotence is not for him because his needs are simple, he knows God will feed and clothe him when the time is right.
>>14147158
The Trinity is the most beautiful work of fractal majesty I have ever seen. If you do not see how the Trinity permeates all creation, just say it out loud: in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
>>14147203
His judgment is the remnant of the old testament. He is the Lamb of the war God you speak of. His coming was foretold ever since Adam.

>>14147246
Ice is not steam and liquid at the same time. Seriously, brainlet?

>>14147251
>lamb of God
>having anything to do with a war deity

Please.

>>14145718
Then I guess I should stop eating unclean animals

>>14147251
Trinity isn't even in scripture my guy. You've been brainwashed. You'd think the most vital aspect of Christianity would be stated in scripture but it's not.

>>14147258
>Trinity isn't even in scripture my guy. You've been brainwashed. You'd think the most vital aspect of Christianity would be stated in scripture but it's not.
LOL, this idiot still doesn't understand Christianity.

>>14147269
Not an argument. Cope

If Jesus knew he was going to be resurrected then why did it matter if he was going to die? He came back three days anyways.

>>14147258
> would be stated in scripture but it's not.

It explicitly is.

>>14147134
Jesus was God as an individuated probe, God can only exist in himself. The "existance" of G-d can only be expressed self-similarly; by the unification of unity and multiplicity.

>>14147253
>Light is not multiple colors at the same time. Seriously, brainlet?

>>14147275
Prove it

>>14147255
The Sacrificial Lamb is burned in ritual, ever since Cain and Abel. The Binding of Isaac is related as well. It has very much to do with the war deity
>>14147258
Trinity is one of those things that you get or you don't get. It is figured prominently in scripture, maybe not literally but its contour is traced throughout the old and the new

>>14147270
Retard

>>14147292
Jesus never mentioned Trinity lmao cope
>>14147279
>Blue is green at the same time XD
God doesn't take turns in display

>>14147219
I'm 100% man and 100% tired of your shit. I guess I'm 200% or maybe you should just fuck off. God is just linguistically non-plural. It should not be that hard for you to wrap your head around.
>Christ is one part of the Trinity
>Christ is God
>Trinity is God

>>14147283
Matthew 28:19.

>>14147298
Not an argument. Youve been let go, please leave the discussion Mr Seething and give your meltdown a break

>>14147301
Jesus' birth, baptism, miracles, sacrifice and resurrection all reflect the trinity very clearly. There's just three different things here, it shouldn't be too hard for a brainlet

>>1414730
God is not a contradiction. If God is truly all powerful, he wouldn't have 3 beings be independent yet codependent of each other. Sorry

>>14147314
>it's very clear!! I swear
>But I can't actually show you!! Uhh here's a bunch of shit thrown at you
I assume your girlfriend is also from a different School?

>>14147316
They're not codependent. Stop talking out your ass.

>>14147316
The three persons of trinity are not dependent but mutual. the Father begets, the Son is begotten and the holy Spirit proceeds

>>14147326

>>14147326
I'm not trying to convince you, I'm just stating the obvious. You can rely on the fathers of the Church if you need a stronger authority.

What is it about the trinity that makes NPCs overload? It's as if they cannot reconcile it with their simple logic executing on it. In response, they keep getting error, does not compute. Error, does not compute! I'm sure the galaxybrained Church Fathers intentionally made it an issue, to the point of codifying it as dogma, so as to keep midwits from theology. The ultimate pleb filter. It worked out well. My theory is that they were Plotinuspilled on consubstantiality, and realized this was the best way of purging the Church of pseuds.

>>14147336
Yes they are because you couldn't have God without one of the three. The Trinity states all 3 are equally GOD . An almighty deity would not be like a 3 piece puzzle where, in omitting one, God would not be complete. Therefore, they rely on each other (dependent). Dependency is not a trait of omnipotence
>>14147345
>>14147352
Coping on blind Faith and ignorance. Our real God does want us to be ignorant and to follow blindly
>>14147306
Have you read that Gospel? It has nothing referring to a trinitarian doctrine. It is just the author's beliefs that these should be mentioned during baptism. Guess what,In the early period baptism was simply in "Christ" (Galatians 3:27) or in the name of Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:13, Acts 8:16, 19:5). Contradicting much?
>>14147356
>Omg imagine not understanding this thing that I cannot even explain
Off yourself bugman

>>14147371
Three persons of God are uncreated and eternal. They don't need each other, They don't need anything. They are dancing in heaven for eternity.
Faith is not blind, but ignorance is. Faith happens to those who see past it.
Baptism is clearly a trinitarian ritual. A new name is given from the father to the son in a rebirth through water.

>>14147371
>The Trinity states all 3 are equally God.
And yet your argument rests on only the Trinity being the whole God and each one being only a part...

>>14147371
>these should be mentioned during baptism.

As did the early church and its fathers.

>>14147356
Imagine thinking the Church Fathers were Trinitarian in the modern sense before Athanasius had a fucking conniption and went berserk crusader mode til he actually won solely through rhetoric and determination against "heterodoxy."

>>14145508
Jesus is alone on earth
Not merely with no one to feel and share His agony
But with no one even to know of it
Heaven and he are the only ones to know
Jesus is in a garden
Not of delight
Like the first Adam
Who there fell and took with him all mankind
But of agony
Where He has saved Himself and all mankind

He suffers this anguish and abandonment in the horror of the night

Jesus will be in agony until the end of the world
There must be no resting in the meantime

>>14147158
Jews today, who are the direct continuation of the pharisees, treat the OT as an unfortunate addendum. Their holy book is the Talmud. The Jews that actually held the OT in esteem in the same manner that Christians do were nearly extinct by the time Christ.

>>14147606
based

>And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Luke 18:19

Just think how wonderful God must be that he willfully suffered as man. He felt our pain and lived our pitiful life and died on a cross for us.

It makes any worries and struggles I have seem like nothing. As an aside, does anyone else feel particularly moved when they attend mass on Holy Days? I was holding back tears on All Saints Day. It was at a private school that I had never been to before and the priest gave a wonderful and simple homily for all these little children and I simply couldn't contain myself as the message remained the same. I lost my last grandfather this year and it was overwhelming. Then I heard some little 10 year old girl say "oh I love this one" when the closing hymm started to be sang and it was all too much.

>>14147158
>until it was introduced 300 years after Jesus' death at the council of Nicea
kek

>>14145717

Read Psalm 2. One title of the Messiah is son of God. Whether or not this carries all the ontological baggage of later trinitarian categories is for you to think through and decide.

Not really ,only the end of his life was full of sorrow.

>>14145558
He lived in kashmir til 100 years old

https://o-meditation.com/2012/04/21/the-unknown-life-of-jesus-osho/

Are there any deep tragedies written from the perspective of Jesus?
Bible doesn't count.

Did jesus experience >tfw no gf? Was he a hugless kissless 30 y.o. NEET?

>>14149193
Who knows what he's been up to in early 20's

>>14145643
God in human form, i.e. both.

The idea of the trinity is that there's the ever guiding voice/hand/presence of God (The Holy Ghost, ethereal, I see it personally as morals and a conscience), God himself not of the material universe but separate from it, and then there's his essence put into human form to lead a perfect life, set an example (an ideal to follow, not something that can be replicated, since no one's perfect, we're all flawed and sinners) and then to make an exit, experiencing the best and worst aspects of this corrupt, physical world and pave the way for us to find the Kingdom of Heaven (i.e. dying for our sins).

>>14147219
Holy shit, guys. This is the most literal interpretation of anything ever.

>How can Jesus be 33.3% (continuing, of course) God? Maybe if his grand dad was God, that'd be close enough, as he would then be 25% God and... MOM! THE TIMER'S GOING OFF! GET ME MY TENDIES NOW, GODDAMMIT!

>>14147219
>an A press is an A press you can't say its only half

>>14149187

One or two interesting thoughts in here but largely just shows Oshos total ignorance of the Hebrew scriptures. I wonder if he ever actually read them as the article reads like he's just regurgitating second hand nonsense

>>14149189
A history book?

>>14149193
Jesus had a 100% nofap success rate

>>14149189
He was likely illiterate

>>14145706

>Also. Jew people in general discriminated jews from Nazareth because they talked differently, like country people.
>Inside the panoramic view of the Bible and it's message, for the sin commited by Adam and Eve some consecusence was needed. The punishment for going beyond their program was death, just like when you recycle something poorly made or broken, even imperfect. The symbol of Jesus is the sacriface needed so everyone could redeem from their sinful spiritual nature. Once the gift of salvation is received the only thing to do is wait to leave the physical world the natural way while following the statements the God's spirit.
>The idea of nature corruption in ourselves is the separation with the spirit of God wich sustains reality in a perfect way.
>We can't deny that humanity survives imperfect with a piece missing. We all sense it.
>Morality or Human nature law is an ideal of rules to live in society. Is the ideal of conduct to wich every human has a sense of. Common sense is the common ground in human behaviour to our species, the detail is that even if we think es the ideal thing to follow we ought not to. Its a natural law we have the opportunity not to follow.

>>14149296
Dude. For the traditional Bar Nitzvah, or however it's writen, all jew children who were to become man at the age of 13, or so, had to read some book of the torah in front of the community. Almost every jew was educated to read the books, besides their education with money which practically builds them all in personal finance to be bankers.

>>14149296
What? no, he was a lector, read the Bible.

>>14149326
He was literally a peasant in the Roman Empire; he wasn't born into a rich Jewish family.

>>14149332
>He was literally a peasant in the Roman Empire; he wasn't born into a rich Jewish family.
Are you literally retarded? The very first part of Matthew, the first book of the New Testament, the list of names that stops brainlets like you from reading the Bible, is literally a genealogy of Christ's descent from Hebrew royalty.

>>14145508
ok boomer

>>14149369
>The genealogies are accurate
Do you also believe earth is 6000 years old?

>>14147975
blessed post

>>14145508
CAN ONE OF YOU CHRISTFAGS EXPLAIN, IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE, WHY JESUS HAD TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR HUMANITY TO BE REDEEMED?

>>14149550
action > words

>>14149559
Not an explanation retard

>muh poor Jesus
Christianity is so cringe. He was literally God. He had perfect foreknowledge. He everything that was gonna happen and he knew he was gonna rise in 3 days. Why is this considered sad or even a sort of sacrifice?
>imagine thinking being dead for a few days is so horrible

I could die standing on my head if I knew for certain that I would be resurrected in 3 days.

>>14149733
haha this right here.

>>14149550
read this, you dont deserve anything more than a rec

>>14149550

a) God can't stay here in human form forever. Jesus came here, got his message out, and left allowing us access to the kingdom of Heaven.

b) Jesus led a perfect life without sin, impossible for mortal man. His demonstration gave us an ideal to strive for, while not being attainable in actuality as we are all flawed and are all sinners. But that's okay, no one of us is perfect.

c) He demonstrated how corrupt and evil the world has become, showing the depths to which man will sink when tempted by Earthly desires and human passions. Jesus was perfect, and look how the holier-than-thou self-proclaimed chosen people (who long ago broke any pact made with God, even if you buy the Old Testament) treated him. They wanted him dead in the worst way humanly possible.

d) All the pain and torment, and he withstood it, once again to lead by example. If Jesus can withstand that, then any petty misgiving that we have with our fellow man can also be forgiven as we try to move on.

I sincerely hope this helps, anon. I would go back and read through the new testament, or try CS Lewis' 'Mere Christianity'. It's pretty gud, desu.

Can someone explain the Transfiguration?

>>14147574
Do you have any proof or is that just conjecture?

>>14149759
Thank you. All of this matches with the Orthodox literature I have read which makes perfect sense to me and is rather beautiful and inspiring.
What I can't get on board with is the whole blood debt aspect of the affair. As in, humanity falls and owes God a sacrifice but instead of compelling them to sacrifice themselves God sacrifices himself to himself just so he can forgive humanity anyway which is what he wanted to do in the first place. It just seems rather tortured in its logic. Your explanations seem much more coherent anon

>>14145558
Read the apology of jesus christ

I hear people putting barriers on God just appease trinity doctrine.

Only possible explanation is that God and Jesus are separate.

>>14145508
Christians and non-believers of /lit/, do you know for 100% sure that you are going to heaven if you were to die today?

>>14150207
Nobody knows 100% you delusional Prot (but I wish you the best regardless)

>>14149885
Plenty proof. It's quite the consensus that pre-Athanasius nobody was a modern Trinitarian. The best you can hope for is early appearances of the term in Novatian. But it's not easy telling what theology he's defending. On the other hand, the theologies that get defended by Justin, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen (just to give examples) are certainly not modern Trinitarian. Justin, being the earliest, is most comfortable using the title "God" in a broader sense, and most comfortable saying Jesus is just a second god. Tertullian on the other hand, is an emanationist and a materialist. God is a corporeal spirit (with volume), and the persons are physical parts of God. Hippolytus starts sounding more Platonic with his view of the Son, but still uses subordinationist language (I'm forgetting a little though, so I'm going to have to look into his views again later). Origen is interesting because by his time he's saying the Son is uncreated, but he also is very much a subordinationist about the Son, saying that, although he's uncreated, nevertheless he depends on the Father for his (eternal) existence, and saying he isn't quite God or only "God" in a reflected manner or something like that. It doesn't help that even Trinitarian theologians end up being heretical when read literally, for example anyone ranging from Cappadocian Fathers to Augustine to William Lane Craig to the local preacher or lay theologian. Probably the only one to avoid heresy is Aquinas and he does it at the cost of explictly undermining laws of logic.

>>14150456
Thanks for the info, m8.

>>14147356
Pelagius would've purged the church of plebs once and for all but Augustine wouldn't let him

>>14149550

Atonement is Pauline, not Christian.

>>14149759

Not only have you not explained why, but all four points are in and of themselves meaningless daisy chains, not even self-contradicting or non sequitur, just porridge.

>>14147258

The word "Trinity" is indeed absent, but the idea can be soundly inferred from a couple of passages, like John 10:30 and Luke 12:8-10. Note that this is inference proper, not Catholic voodoo.

>>14150696
Why did Paul have to literally ruin everything?

>>14150819

>Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
>For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
>For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

>>14150696
This idiocy again. If Paul is wrong, so are all apostles and, consequently, the whole New Testament.

>>14149883

I think it will be helpful to first meditate prayerfully on the prologue to John's gospel. Think about the word, the light, the life, and the word become flesh. In the transfiguration, the flesh becomes word.

>>14150760

What about other interpretations which are coherent and can be equally "inferred" from those passages?

>>14150921
>the irony of deifying paul as a rebuttal to suspicions of his teleology

>>14150981
I don't know what you're >implying.

>>14149883

TREMENDOUS commentary on the Dialectic between form and content.

>>14147256
Why?

>>14147256
Paul's letters are canon

>>14145508
Honestly I've been back and forth with Christianity for a while now. I'll get somewhat into it for a few months. Interested in the theology, the history, ect. I'll pick up my copy of the Bible or the New Testament and read through it a bit. Though I always come back to this nagging feeling like Christianity has no actual divine nature to it. That the early days of the church were most likely just as shady and weird as more recent religions (Scientology, The Church of the Latter Day Saints). I can never go all the way in adopting a Christian lifestyle and world view.

I desperately crave something more than my life. I guess it's a part of being young. Despite my lack of belief in the divine nature of the Bible I still appreciate flipping through and reading it for what it is. It's influence on culture is everywhere.

>>14151544

>That the early days of the church were most likely just as shady and weird as more recent religions
>Most likely

So you haven't actually done any serious looking into the roots of the Christian movement? You know good scholarship on the early Jesus movement does exist and could go some way to assuaging these anxieties. Try Larry Hurtado, he's a renowned specialist in this field and also maintains a very useful blog.

>>14147345
seething

>>14151544
There are very few "doctors" nowadays, that is, teachers of the doctrine. Check out E. Michael Jones and Bishop Williamson. Not only do they explain the rational grounding of Catholicism, but they successfully show how the modern, neoliberal world has gone full suicidal now that irrationality reigns over nearly everyone.

>>14145558
Read platos crito

>>14145558
>I don't get why Socrates thought he had to turn himself in. Why not flee? It's like he was almost too selfless. You're not harming anybody by fleeing persecution, Socrates.

>>14149235
Well Theophilius "Henry" Lindsey, hear me out

>>14145508
>stop everything
>one guy a long time ago had a bad time
i cri evritiem

>>14145643
Perfectly man and perfectly god.

>>14151444
I guess Paul knew better than Jesus.

>>14150712

Zero self awareness. What answer would you like me to give you, since you clearly already know exactly what you want to hear, making your initial question superfluous. Why waste your own time?

>>14152783
Beautiful.

>>14145508
show me a man who doesnt suffer and ill show you a still birth

>>14152966
Ignore him anon, he's just being a cunt. I'm the original question asker and your answers were very good

It's times like this you understand why Lot's wife turned to salt, and why Ham was cursed, why Job made a covenant with his eyes, and why Christ said no man putting his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. Sometimes it's better to just log off 4chan in situations like this. Morning /lit/ is much more comfortable. Let us take this as a reminder to cultivate a daily routine of waking early and to not frequent the website at these hours. I will pray for you all. Good night.

blessed thread

>>14153467
God didn't fucking exist! Jesus was just a kike on a stick!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyLoz4Db3wA

Stop watching porn.

>>14149187
>Kashmir
Odd way of spelling "Japan".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingō,_Aomori
>Jesus Christ did not die on the cross at Golgotha. Instead his brother, Isukiri,[5] took his place on the cross, while Jesus fled across Siberia to Mutsu Province, in northern Japan. Once in Japan, he changed his name to Torai Tora Daitenku, became a rice farmer, married a twenty-year old Japanese woman named Miyuko, and raised three daughters near what is now Shingō. While in Japan, it is asserted that he traveled, learned, and eventually died at the age of 106.

>>14153592
"The Lord, who is now unknown while he seeks mercy, shall be known when he executes justice."

>>14153611
Sorry. I bow down before my Lord and will not speak ill of him again.
NO I FUCKING JESTED! JESUS WAS JUST A KIKE ON A STICK AND PROBABLY DID NOT EXIST!

>>14153763
cringe

>>14153789
I feel like the fucking idiots on pic related for writing it. I don't know what I was thinking.
Kek. You think I was serious? Jesus did not exist and was not crucified and was not a deity. His fucking "tomb" isn't even from his times you fucking morons it was made afterwards to scam retarded kike-on-a-stick worshipers into coming to the temple and paying them money to kiss the fucking mold-ridden plate he didn't even lay on (BECAUSE HE DIDN'T EXIST!).

>>14153592
>>14153763
>>14153837
I'm the idiot who wrote these posts. I just want to say sorry to everyone in this thread and to God. That was just my retarded way of lashing out. I was having a shit day because I opened up some repressed emotions about my father's death. I now feel retarded for posting this. I hope you can forgive me. I hope I can develop a deeper relationship with Christ (I am baptised but I haven't been to Church in ages and was poisoned by atheism for so long).

>>14154466
It's alright anon, I forgive you. I wish I had the direction in life that Jesus can give, but nothing I do seems to get me any closer. I feel like another of God's unwanted children.

>>14149759
>God can't stay here in human form forever.
Why not?

>>14154795
Him passing into Heaven leads the way for us sinners, a life has a beginning and an end, physical forms have their limits, he wanted to demonstrate that death is not the end so don't lose hope/faith nor be afraid, if he stayed forever it would kill the purpose of both free will as well as faith.

It is a complex question, there's probably a lot more people who can answer it better than I can.

>>14152966

The question was:

>14149550
>CAN ONE OF YOU CHRISTFAGS EXPLAIN, IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE, WHY JESUS HAD TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR HUMANITY TO BE REDEEMED?

Even your first sentence, "God can't stay here in human form forever", is parallel to the question. What does God staying in human form here or anywhere else for any amount of time have to do with Jesus dying in general or for anyone's redemption in particular?

>>14150959

What about them?

>>14154941

see >>14154899

>>14154944

Why are they not also justified? Why is the Trinitarian interpretation authoritative?

>>14154972

I appreciate the Christus Victor, rather than the usual Catholic juju. I'm not sure if either of you understand it though, or even meant to argue for it at all.

>>14155014

I wouldn't know. I don't go by authority in general.

>>14145586
Praise be to Epstein.

>>14145558
I'm Judaism a lamb is customary to sacrifice to pay for the sins you've committed. The less colored spots, the more pure white it is, the better and more meaningful the sacrifice is.
You've probably heard the term "lamb of God" before, or maybe the "spotless lamb" etc
God couldn't just let those sins go without a sacrifice, so he sacrificed himself as a final, all encompassing sacrifice so that man may not know the damage we've truly done

>>14147303
underrated

>>14145706

>jesus is god
>but if course he had something else anointing him