/lit/ - Literature

You notice how all great writers are conservative?

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>>1413391
>implying Blake, Byron, Swift, Orwell, Sinclair etc. could be considered conservative by any stretch

Ever notice how the words "Liberal" and "Conservative" have become so horribly overused and reinterpreted that their original meanings are completely irrelevant to modern day political discourse, and how anybody who describes themselves as either is a fucking moron who just votes for whoever has an R or a D next to their name on the news?

No, I didn't notice that. I don't live in my hugbox, though.

>>1413404
what the fuck is a hugbox

>>1413387
>Did you ever notice how nearly all well-read and well-educated people tend to be liberal?

Not really. The majority I see are celebrities or idiots around my age.

>>1413406
It's the place where butthurt people go when they get the shit told out of them. Basically the place all contemporary liberals go constantly.

>>1413403
I congratulate you.

>>1413403

people forget that "Liberal" and "Conservative" are viewpoints on how one favors economy, nothing to do with politics really...

inb4 Rand

>>1413415
economics is a huge part of politics. probably the largest.

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

>>1413403
congrats you've just realized that all of politics is empty rhetoric and that even the name calling doesn't actually mean anything. Welcome to the cynic party, founded c. 400BC

>>1413415
Not when you are either a social liberal or a social conservative. That is you telling how you want people to be treated, which is the main part of being a civilian and having a political ideal.

>liberals by the original term support laissez faire government
>people now support big government and call themselves liberals
Stop that

>>1413441
that's the economic understanding of the term, but when the term is used currently in modern american discourse (as irrationally confusing as it may be) it refers to social liberties not economic... with the exception of the right to bear arms, where modern liberals tend to be conservative.

>>1413441
And people who support laissez-faire and less government now are called classical liberals and conservatives.

Haha, yeah, they would be smart and well-educated

Except that they're liberal
Also, way to freaking generalize in your pic related, OP
Lib: Dashing, suave smile, majestic hair
Cons: Drunken illiterate Texan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dChBN_zfofY

I'm sorry OP, what was that you were saying?

There are times when you have to be a pussy (liberal)

and there are times when you have to be ignorant (conservative)


most people just mindlessly agree with whatever side they've chosen to pose as.

>>1413449
What is the true definition of a social conservative and social liberal?

>this thread

Hilarious, OP. Can't stop laughing.

>democrats praised for being open minded
>republicans bashed for being racist by the populace
>democrats were the original supporters of the KKK
I really hate politics

Liberal: "I want things to change. Things will be better when they change."
Conservative: "I don't want things to change. Things were better before they started changing."

That's all there is too it. anything else is bullshit rhetoric.

>>1413475
Nothing has a true definition

>>1413494


oh god that is such a cop out reply

>>1413490
Actually, social liberalism is more along the lines of "allowing change is better than plugging your ears and denying that people are different from you". It's contemporary economic liberalism that is disturbing.

>>1413490
That's really more of the progressive versus regressive spectrum

itt: retards that don't know what conservative means

go watch a john wayne movie

>>1413500
Reality is a cop out most of the time.

There really isn't any "proper" use of the term except within certain contexts, within political science you can have a prescribed definition, but in the public forum its all descriptive.

>be an avid reader
>study physics at a top ten in the world university
>be a conservative

Your move, OP.

>>1413512
>on 4chan
kind of cancels out.

>>1413509
>Reality is a cop out most of the time.
So deep

>>1413387
have you ever notice how I view people that share my beliefs as smart and see those that oppose my believes as stupid?

really, having a belief doesn't make you smart, having knowledge does. All that being said, I have found people that actually look into subjects (no matter the politics behind them) are smarter then those that hide behind their identity as a liberal/conservative (or any pre-defined identity).

>>1413512
>do things that have nothing to do with politics
>do not study politics
>have poor understandings of politics

makes sense to me.

>>1413516
oh no bro this is 2011. some of the most inspiring humans in the world now visit here everyday. its reality for people too cool for reality.

>>1413537

>be well read
>be well educated
>be conservative
>nowhere does it say study politics

cool goalpostmoving bro

>>1413488
>mfw the democratic and republican parties switched roles after kkk was most popular

>>1413546
>thinks that understanding politics isn't the point to finding how you support political groups.

physics has nothing to do with this discussion, and yes you can be a total idiot when it comes to the leadership and inner-workings a country but be a genius in countless other subjects. Education is not just one scale, there are billions of ways to be educated and most are poorly communicable.

>>1413512
>Implying physics has anything to do with politics, economics, and the various ways they overlap.

Wow look at me, I study science! That means I'm instantly an authority on every single fucking thing!
I know enough science majors to know that while a lot of them know a hell of a lot about what they are studying, they are usually completely inept when it comes to everything else.
The sad thing is they think they aren't.

>>1413404
Did you ever see Temple Grandin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnI_Y8PyTHM

duh. conservatives are dumb.

>>1413574
Actually, they didn't. The democrats became republicans and the pussy republicans became democrats. The ones who weren't pussies became what we know today as libertarians, which follow the ideals of classical liberalism.

>>1413608
aren't you like, 12

>>1413610
>mfw you re-worded what I said but still managed to spite me to make yourself look better

>>1413615
i am an expert on these solemn matters of state.

>>1413590

The original post said that well read and well educated people tend to be liberals, all I was doing was showing that it isn't always the case. Nowhere did I claim to know lots about politics, I'm simply of a conservative disposition.

>>1413619
I expanded upon what you said. If you're going to tell a story, don't give the abridged version.

socially liberal/ economically conservative master race here

>>1413653
socially liberal/economically conservative pampered college kid who would be a republican if he didn't want to smoke weed, suck dick, and/or nip unplanned pregnancies in the bud

>>1413488

history: learn about it before making really shallow statements

>>1413664
So are your ears sealed permanently, or is there some chance that in the future you'll be able to understand that those aren't bad things?

hey.
what is the Tenga Egg?

>>1413664
>implying wanting to do those things isn't perfectly legitimate

>>1413682
>>1413672
wanting to do all those things is right-on, but typically people like that are not especially interested in society working in ways that benefit anybody besides themselves

Why is a liberal portrayed as a feminine magazine model with a store-bought hair cut and a suit?

oh, yeah, generalisations are bullshit. all of them

>>1413696
Welcome to real life.

>>1413664
>>1413664

I don't want to do any of those things and, in fact, they disgust me and I consider them to be sins but I am socially liberal insofar as it's not my place to force anybody to conform to the way I see things. If they want to do those things, God will judge them. It's not my place.

And yeh, economically conservative. Honestly, was there ever really an argument for the alternative?

>>1413774
Of course there is

A society that doesn't tax enough to provide a greater security net/nurturing ground for its citizens than "cops and garage pickup" ends up like a little bit of Manhattan + a whole lot of Detroit/Appalachia and generally goes to shit

>>1413780
But how much taxing is too much? Nobody seems to pay attention to it anymore. Tax rich companies so they can't support their employees as well even though they deserve it, give people who don't want to work the money. It doesn't seem right any way you look at it.

>>1413433

What is the best way to leave all of this political bullshit behind and enjoy ones life?

O'Reilly thinks you're an elitist fuck.

>>1413819
Move to Papua New Guinea and live among the natives.

>>1413916

How do I do this if I am a technophile?

>>1414012
In that case, move to Sealand.

No recognized political parties or elections there!

>>1414012
dig a bunker and deck it out. then live in it all ur life. not sure if you are allowed to have a pet with u though because it would potentially generate political issues between u and ur pet.

Do they speak Esperanto (currently learning it because it is advertised as politically neutral)?

>>1414042
forgot
>>1414020

>>1414048
It's an English-speaking country.

>>1414086

> Throws out Esperanto book

Good, less effeort required.
What are they like?

>>1414119
A closed society of twenty-seven people that live on a rusty old fort that England used to own but doesn't want any more.
Economy is based on exporting fraudulent titles and passports to whoever pays fifty pounds for them and letting whatever company pays the most rent the fort for business purposes.

This is just like the US v UK threads. Both have well read, intelligent folks and both have idiots. Both need to get the fuck over it.

Social libertarian and economic neo-liberal reporting in.

>>1414475
And this differs from any other society how?

Liberals really are morons who have no idea how government is supposed to work. As if turning the US into an atheistic 1984 state would help anything. "boo hoo we're in an illegal war" suck it up you pothead fuck.

Libertarian socialist direct democrat with anarcho-syndicalist sympathies here.

Ya'll small-time.

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>>1417002

GTFO

>1984

>anarchistic

You have clearly either ever read 1984, or have no idea what anarchy means.

>>1417060

he said atheistic

>>1417073
>implying there is such a thing as a theistic state outside of either Vatican City or the Middle east

>>1417078

Loads of European countries have national churches and state religions. UK for one.

Also US is a Christian nation

>>1417137
>U.S. is a Christian Nation
you trollin? you gotta be trollin, no one on /lit/ could be that historically inaccurate.

>>1417219
I think he means in practice rather than in theory..

conservatives have been convinced that they know politics better then everyone else without ever studying it.

Liberals study politics on their own time rather then having their party tell them how to vote, they admit to not knowing everything about politics.

>>1417228
in practice? as in our government, or the fact that the majority of the population is christian? anons statement seems to imply the former in which case he is dead wrong, as our forefathers specifically meant this country to be secular. don't even try to go with original intent, the founders were, almost all, masons and were using masonic ideals as a cornerstone for the constitution.

>>1417259
why yes, that is a picture of the worst president in our nations history. do you have a point?

>yfw modern day conservative = classical liberal

>>1417252
Anon said nation, and there's a difference between a nation and a state. He probably means state. Anyway, my point was that despite the separation of church and state, the fact you're yet to have a President that isn't Christian, and the influence the Church has over American society cannot be underestimated.

I'm not an American (and you appear to be), so I must admit my knowledge of your political system is less than my knowledge of others, and yours too. From what I do know, however, the church and state do seem to be linked. Wasn't there something about JFK being a Catholic that came up when he sought election? American politics and religion (from an outsider's perspective) do appear to be inextricably linked. And thus America is a Christian relation. That's my take on it, anyway.

>>1417281
yes there is a christian relation to the politics of gaining office, so you are correct, but that is why we have the judicial system to keep in check any move made by those who would like to make this a christian government.
The issue with JFK involved the believe that he would not keep his faith separate from his role as president, many thought the pope would have influence over him, and as such the U.S. would become a Christian State. Obviously the fear was irrational, and unnecessary: JFK never sought, nor was given help from the Vatican.

>>1417329
And so if the attainment of office and religion are linked, religion and office are tied. It's fair to call the US a Christian nation.

The moral basis for the formulation of new legislation (assuming it is not solely pragmatically nor ideologically motivated) stems from religion, and one's own moral compass.

Whilst the judiciary may protect against America being turned into a Christian nation in its strict sense, with it becoming the state religion, for example, I think Christianity probably has more sway over politics than in many countries (such as the UK, my own), where we do have a state religion.

Take American Conservatives and abortion, for example. It's no coincidence that they are predominantly Christian, and also reject abortion. Whilst I'm not claiming that they simply reject abortion because their religion tells them so, I think that its influence is certainly present.

>>1417273
>Bush is America's worst president

>Hasn't heard of Obama!

americans are so dumb. fuck.

>>1417356
Argumentum ad nauseam

>>1417379
whart u political belief onionring?

>>1413624
>>1417398

>>1417394
It's a real problem. I thought I was quite civil there. Much less vicious than usual. I'm getting better.

>>1417406
>cant quote properly
>calls conservatives dumb

>>1417418
deal with it.

OP is a troll.
But I still agree with what he said.