/lit/ - Literature

Have you fucked a man after reading foucault? No? Then shut the fuck up

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>>14129532
fucked a man before reading foucault

>>14129518
Yes, after reading Guenon I become interested in being initiated in a non-dual sect of Hinduism. I did some research and found out that the Veerashaiva Association of North America had a chapter near me. I started to attend and it opened up a new door in my life. Before long I was offered an initiation. Since then it's been a massive shift. I have better posture, body language, I walk and hold myself like I'm home everywhere. You eventually reach a point (if you read enough scriptures/commentary, give up enough distractions, and put in enough effort) where you are immersed in a blissful cloud 24/7. I wake up and see a ray of light shining into my room and 4 or 5 different metaphysical models of conceiving the immutable godhead play across my mind, I settle on one and joyfully rise. There is no sadness or delusion, but only the ineffable and spotless bliss; minutes pass by like hours. It made me stop 95% of electronic media and fiction doesn't even interest me anymore, the very present moment itself a kaleidoscopic enigma of the self-effulgent infinite divinity witnessing itself, how could I ever wish to distract myself with lesser knowledge? Girls especially pick up on this kind of unconscious body language stuff, when you walk into a room or down the street knowing that everything is just the projection of the acausal and spontaneous divine play of God overflowing into the world it makes you fearless and radiates power, confidence, presence of mind etc. Girls have been throwing themselves them at me but I only still partake to complement my jnanic practices through tantric sex techniques in combination with Daoist-style semen retention to cultivate Qi and so on. I can't even begin to describe what's this is like, every single moment even when taking a shit is as profound as taking psychedelics. I literally get home, sit down on my couch and remained there for hours in a state of samadhi; I sometimes forget that there are even people who have anxiety and get worried about death. Everything suspended in the auspicious ocean of bliss emanating from myself

>Have any of you appropriated another culture and LARPed after reading Guenon?

>>14129835
gay

>>14129518
Why even bother with women? They just aren't worth it. There is no greater agony than sharing existence on this mortal plane with the creatures we have come to know as the 'fairer sex'.

Today I sat alone in the train listening to my obscure esoteric ritual ambient music, then two conventionally attractive females joined me in my solitude, they sat in front of me and started having a mundane conversation, it caught my interest how they kept talking and laughing about trivial normie topics instead of contemplating the true essence of life and searching for a purpose within. We make eye contact for a split second but I break it immediately as she carried on the conversation with her friend, she probably thought she made eye contact with a normal awkward nerdy guy listening to his music in peace but in reality she's beholding a man that is enduring the metaphysical struggle of his race, a man with an aristocratic and adventurous spirit that yearns for celestial freedom as his mind is experiencing levitation towards a complete transcendence despite only weighing 120 pounds.

I indirectly gazed upon the females with an eye of revulsion, repulsed by their moral disintegration and degenerate lifestyle, then in complete and utter disgust I thought to myself "if only they knew how much of a wise Magian I am?" They would've given themselves to me, to fullfil my carnal desires, to plant my seed and give a chance to my offspring to exist and flourish. But of course they won't as I'm very sure they have decided to pursue this puny empty life, to have sex with the so-called CHAD. It truly is a difficult time for an intellectual like me to exist, it truly is the KALI YUGA.

>>14129518
I joined the tradition of my Western Country which has 2000 years of unbroken history (many more years if we consider the old testament and Aristotelian / Greek influence): THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

>>14129518
I joined the Liberal Tradition. I became a liberal.

The only temple near my house is Nithyananda, so no. That's not going to happen.

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>>14129518
I dropped catholicism after reading Guenon and became agnostic.

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>>14130037
Why?

>>14130215
Why?

>>14129518
Why the fuck do you idiots keep posting Lovecraft with a cheesy fake mustache?

>>14130395
His names Evola retard

>>14129518
i think guenon proves physiognomy, his appearance radiates pure spirit.

>>14130395
Rene Guenon was the owner of a truly vile face! Take a look at his photographic cards. You will see a dull degenerate mug. An elongated face of Lovecraft, on which a piece of an old pissed tow was glued for laughs. You look at his face, and you want to exclaim, "What a reptile!" And immediately turn away in disgust. If you look at the vile mug of Guenon for about five seconds, then you will certainly feel sick with bile. Although, the first reaction will be an uncontrollable laughter to abdominal pain. Such laughter can only be caused by a stupid primate, a vile and vile monkey smoking a cigarette or begging a handout from a zoo visitor. The funniest faces of Guenon can only be a monkey masturbating its genitals. But then Guenon in an Arabic suit is a hundred times funnier than a masturbating monkey.

The question arises, how could such a stupid snout write a huge amount of scientific work? How did this degradant ever learn to read and write? Who let him go to school or have the audacity to invite a teacher for home schooling, you bastards? Undoubtedly, these are just questions, because they spontaneously arise in every bright mind of anyone who has looked at least once at the portraits of this damned reptile. The answer is very simple: Guenon did not fuck his wife, but made her write books for him. And I have evidence!

If, overcoming natural disgust and disgust, carefully look at the stupid abscess, which poorly educated people consider the face of Guenon, then you will find a certain similarity between him, Lovecraft and the poet Alexander Blok. All three are vile degenerates and decent scum. Block and Lovecraft, as you know, did not fuck their wives for various reasons. For what, this is the subject of another study. Do not fuck, that's all. But, since Guenon, this vile foul, outdid the fucking lover of Lovecraft and Blok combined, it is possible to say with absolute certainty that Guenon did not fuck his wife either. And that means that Guenon’s wife, this unfortunate woman who married such a freak, most likely, under duress, from boredom and sexual dissatisfaction, wrote various works on religious and philosophical topics. Guenon at that time was swinging on the chandelier, jumping on bookshelves, tearing useful and necessary books to shreds and using them instead of toilet paper, he lifted the skirt of an elderly housekeeper, grimaced in front of a mirror, showed his infamous ass out the window, and for those who were not afraid assholes, showed his stinking face and even the most persistent daredevils fled from disgust. But, this damned reptile, was not satisfied with just monkey tricks and mischief. He wanted world fame and glory. Therefore, he stole from his poor wife, from this unfortunate woman, the manuscript and gave them out as his own, begging the publisher for frenzied thousands of royalties. The publisher, vomiting in a copper basin, gave Guenon any money, if only he left the room.

>>14129518
I joined positivism so I can purge the world from all pervertions of thinking

>>14130136
>Nithyananda
whut?

>>14130709
positivism is dead after vybz kartel.

>>14130830
What does positivism has to do with some random Jamaican musician?

>>14130874
kehre of di worl' boss destroyed that bloodclart view that processes are reducible to physiological, physical or chemical events. addi asserts that knowledge begins and ends with human experience itself.

Missed Ligeti's “Aventures” in favor of a lecture on Sethites and Cainites.

The civilizational approach in history is like a dialectical ontology in philosophy: either you are in the subject, and it is like a diplomatic passport that allows you to use privileges almost anywhere, or you literally express yourself with gestures with your reflection in an attempt to achieve a spreading stamp of a much simpler level (at best case - the green card is just one single region).

How did Guenon refute Parmenides and Whitehead?

>>14130419
he looks retarded

>>14129988
This but unironically

>>14129835
Do you have to post this on every Guenon thread

>>14130516
Fixed. Did the best I could

He reminds me of the dude in the new Star Wars movies

>>14130994
He didn't. He just believed that a fragment of a Greek poem was irrefutable evidence against Whitehead's metaphysics, mostly because it confirmed his own beliefs.

Guenon couldn't refute the mucous burblings of a snail.

>>14130918
Except that positivism doesn't require ontological reduction of everything to physical things. In fact none of the early positivists were physicalists. But I guess Guenonfags don't really read non-traditionalist authors, so you wouldn't know that.

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>>14129518
>pic
Can we talk about this guys face lmao

>>14129518
Reminder than guenon btfo whitehead, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Peterson, Voltaire, and Plato

>>14132371
>materialist blockhead detected
His physiognomy is that of the spiritual.

>>14129518
Why is he a meme? How is he a meme? I read Crisis and Reign several years ago and would make a thread about him here and there. 0 replies every time. A few years later and he's mentioned in some news articles talking about Bannon, despite Bannon having fuck all to do with him. And now in 2019 he's all over this board and mentioned on /pol/ daily. The fuck happened? Who popularized his works? I'm out of the loop.

>>14130819
It's a goofy cult

>>14132392
How did he refute them? Be more specific otherwise you’re just memeing and I’m gonna start treating Guenon posters accordingly

>>14130037
>Catholicism
How many refugees did you help into Europe?

Praise pope Francis and Pachamama

>>14129518
haven't found any

>>14131047
seething round faced modern man

>>14129835
based

>>14129835
Absolutely blissful

>>14132637
Guenon only btfo Whitehead by virtue of presenting Parmenides' retroactive refutation of him

The only worthwhile tradition to adopt unless you're Indian is Buddhism. But modern Buddhism is nothing but a cult of morality. If I have to become completely sissified and lose any ability to exercise Will To Power in order experience the Unconditioned then I'd rather just make a mental note of non-dualism and go on living my life instead.

>>14132640
>implying that helping refugees was an ex-cathedra statement from the vicar of Christ and not just the out of touch ramblings of an old jesuit who wants to appeal to the status quo for good boy points
The real problem with the Pope is not that he advocates for helping refugees, it's that he willingly bent the knee to the UN,when the only thing he should bend before is Jesus Christ, of whom he is an earthly representative of.

>>14129858
>Christianity isn't foreign, guys! Deep down, we're all Semites!

>>14132980
There are non-dual types of Hinduism like Tantra, Lingyatism, Vishishtadvaita etc which are practiced by householders in western countries and which don't require you to move to India and become a monk. If you seek out teachers and communities in these schools of thought, which do exist in many major western cities; it's possible to adopt and participate in those traditions in a valid way. It just requires willingness to devote time and effort towards integrating oneself into and learning from that teacher/community. The whole "Hinduism is completely inaccessible to westerners" meme is wrong and only gained traction to begin with because the Muslim traditionalists besides Guenon (who never even said it himself) would wrongly write that in hopes of getting people to join Islam instead.

>>14133062
>Christianity isn't foreign
It isn't lol

>>14132923
On the real though, has Parmenides been refuted? I recently re-read his basic propositions of "Everything which becomes can only emerge from Being, ergo everything which will ever be must already be", and I am stumped as to how it could be wrong. I'll try reading more philosophy about it.

Intelligent person here, how does one approach taking the Guénon-pill? What should I read first?

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>>14133122
Thank you, anon. I really love his look. You can just feel philosophy and the good kind of autism emanating from his mere presence.

>>14129518
What does he think about pederasty? is it Traditional?

>>14129858
>becoming a steward of your own culture is LARPing
gėnōg iuw

Guenon threads are so based

>>14129518
I am still reading him...

>>14131170
massive improvement

>>14133167
no

>>14129835
>It made me stop 95% of electronic media and fiction doesn't even interest me anymore

And yet here you are. On 4chan(nel).

>>14129835
im at aww at this post lads

>>14129835
he cute

>>14133054
Yet the pope is infallible. What he does is a reflection of Christ's will, so speaking against the pope's will is speaking against Christ's will

>>14134235
literally the anteChrist

I was pretty committed to Byzantine Catholicism for a while. For those unaware, the Byzantine Catholics use the Eastern Liturgy and generally have Eastern spiritual traditions, but are nonetheless part of the Church. I visited a few monasteries and life was good for the most part. I was praying very often. Then I went off the college and all the vice came and I have lost much of my commitment. I feel as if I don't believe anything, not out of any intellectual reason, just out of apathy from having to be in such a distasteful place doing such trivial tasks.

I'd love to know any advice anyone has. I feel that it is very difficult for one to uphold any spiritual practice at university. The temptation of women. The tediousness of the work. The constant pressure to network and build your career. The lack of traditional religious resources. The lack of good prayer spaces. It is also so saddening. Oh well.

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>>14129532
If you haven't both fucked and been fucked by a man while reading Foucault, you didn't get him

>>14129835
>guenonfag claims to be living in perpetual bliss
>spends literally every weekday for several years ranting and raving like a schizo on /lit/, occasionally replying to himself with "Based"

Honestly a decent argument to avoid neovedanta cults, or at least whatever neovedanta sect Guenonfag joined.

>>14135743
The chance of finding a legitimate, traditional, Hindu organization focused on the Vedanta is nearly non existent in the west anyways. Even in India is has gotten extremely difficult with how commercialized eastern religion has become to cater to westerners and the huge masses of Indians.

>>14133095

nope, the endgame is already there. read shankara if you want more commentary

>>14135463
What do you think of the Orthodox Church?

>The temptation of women
Find a Christian wife.

>>14135763
That's what's so sad about people like Guenonfag. He's Westernized and deracinated, following a Westernized interpretation (mostly through a Western language) of his own faith, which has been shaped and re-shaped by Westerners since Western Blavatskians and Westernized Neovedantists like Vivekananda infiltrated India during its modernization.

What is left of authentic Hinduism there? It is possible to become an expert on authentic Advaita, but Guenonfag is a perfect example of why this rarely happens: he strongly thinks he is one, while not being one. As a result he has not only counter-initiated himself, he is a potential source of counter-initiation into a false tradition for other people. Or at least repulsion, as his aberrant behavior and Neovedanta half-interpretations of Advaita drive people away from it.

What's the solution? I really can't say. I guess these are signs of the times. A world full of Guenonfags, but not one Guenon anyway. A world full of people reading Shankara through multiple commentators, but no authentic follower of Shankara. You're right, it's not much better in India.

>>14135825
>Guenonfag
who's dat?

>>14135907
an enigma, a legend, forever riding on the crest of the wave into the wind, you'll never know when he'll appear next

>>14134083
Because 4chan is the one hell none can escape, doesn't matter if 2 stones flew over the cuckoos nest or 20

>>14134083
Because 4chan is the one hell none can escape, doesn't matter if you're a lonely neet or an indoctrinated nutjob, doesn't matter how many fly over the cuckoo's nest he's still coming back for more down here

>>14135907
>A primer on Guenonfag
A Guenonian/Schuonian. He used to post a lot more Schuon but quietly excised those references from his posts when people started attacking him for it. At first he would post "Eastern Thought" or "Oriental" threads, which were thinly veiled excuses to samefag respond to himself with recommendations of Shankara. He would be so hostile in these threads that they all turned into shitstorms immediately.

Eventually mods started deleting the threads, so he started doing pic related once in a while. When he got tired of that, he resigned himself to invading other threads tenuously related to Indian or Eastern thought, especially Buddhist threads, being incredibly aggressive and samefagging himself like before.

He was utterly humiliated by real scholars a few times, who demonstrated that he doesn't know the languages he pretends to know and he in fact doesn't know his "tradition" very well either. His talking points were all traced back to surface-level Neovedanta sources written in Western languages, which he vehemently denies despite many direct quotes and screenshots being traced.

Now he posts threads like this one, which I suppose is better than spamming like in pic related. A lot of the smaller replies are probably him responding to himself.

>>14129518
ok boomer you just posted cringe

>>14129835
on som real nigga shit

>>14136029
Nice falseflag Guenonfag, we can all tell when you are pretending to be the people who don't like you and acting extra schizo and retarded to discredit them, not everyone who hates you is a schizo you idiot

>didn't believe in evolution
traditionalists are a meme

>>14135818
I think the Orthodox Church is a generally good institution. I think they have a very genuine spirituality, but I don't think they are entirely right on certain things. I know the basics of the theology of both traditions, but I wouldn't want to say that I know for sure which sect is correct either. I am drawn to Eastern Christian spirituality but Western philosophical theology so I thought that a Byzantine Catholic Church would be the best fit for me.


>Find a Christian wife
Easier said than done. I go to an ivy league school, so most of the Christian women here do not portray characteristics that I would be looking for. Most are incredibly career oriented and individualistic in nature. A fair amount are just cultural Christians that change doctrine to their liking. The extremely few Christian women here that I would be interested in already have boyfriends. I sometimes wonder if I should just go for anyone at this point, since waiting for an ideal seems like it will never happen. Maybe I have to compromise more. I'm not sure

>>14136208
We will allow you to seek a wife in Russia if you join Orthodoxy.

>>14129518
is this book a good place to start?

>>14137167
his first book is much starting point

>>14137167
read reign of quantity to get to the good stuff. you might need to refer to introduction to hindu doctrines for the hindu stuff

>>14129518
Orthodoxy, but not really thanks to him.
He was part of my enlightment though

>>14129518
Not really because of Guenon- but I did become a Muslim because it is the highest and most perfect form of life we can hope for.

Praise unto the Lord for delivering me!

Did you hear that Guenon's last word was "Al'Lah"?

>>14137167
Not really. Just read his own books.

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>>14138096
Why is that? If I assume you're a white man, why not Christianity or Buddhism?

>>14133158
>>14129518

Why did Guenon, in his syncretic delusions choose to convert to Islam, a religion which spread itself by the sword and killed/oppressed Orthodox Christians?

>>14139242
Because within Islam is access to the perennial truth, and via a highly valuable path of initiatory metaphysical knowledge at that, viz. sufism. Christianity was spread by the sword all across the baltics, eastern europe and the new world as well so let's not get into boomer delusions now. As Guenon was not himself Orthodox Christian that was not a factor in his judgement

>>14139256

Jesus Christ is the God-man incarnate, and the mediator between mankind and God. It's only through Jesus Christ that death is defeated and salvation is given to us. Islam is a false religion, which denies the incarnation of God, and smashes the holy icons.

You don't simply join a tradition. "Tradition" isn't a club.

>>14139276
your defense of Christianity means absolutely nothing to me

>>14139323

God is not invisible, he revealed himself as Jesus Christ born to the Virgin Mary. We Christians proclaim his incarnation through the holy icons, which Islam tries to DESTROY. Mohammed was a pedophile, and by their fruits ye shall know them.

>>14129835
Based and Blisspilled

I went to yemen and joined a sufi order. Stayed there for 2 years.

I had been muslim already for 10 years (I was 27).

I already tried the naqshbandis but they didnt understand what they were doing, it was just 'mysticism' and magical thinking, following dreams and warding off the evil eye/jinn... this sort of thing.

In yemen it was the same. Also before this I travelled to egypt and stayed there for a year to learn arabic. I spent some time with a few sufi groups while i was there but i didnt find anything.

All in all... I don't recommend this path to you all.

>>14139452
You should write your experiences somewhere and post them, that's very interesting.

I had a friend whose friend became a Sufi and eventually lost his mind very tragically. Some of the people he got involved with were no good.

>>14139452
If you're not larping I agree with the other anon, I'd like to read more about what exactly you did, what you found, how you managed to make the journey, why you're now disillusioned with it, etc

>>14139474

It was probably demons, god willing your friend will find Christ. I know all too well to pits of insanity, but the truth will set you free

>>14139474
Yes... Well I can answer questions if you have any.

To me, now, Sufism is not a good thing for westerners to get involved with. They have very little understanding of what they are doing. It's mostly just for 'reward from Allah', as in Christianity. Not like, on the other hand, how a yogi understands that the mantra is just a means for you to focus on and still your attention so the mind can go inward, the sufis view it in a magical way. They don't care about stilling their attention, they just want to be rewarded by Allah so they don't go to hell after the day of judgement.

>>14139323
Islam recognize Christianity and a lot in Sufism. But yet, even in soufism it belittle Christ by, for example, saying Christ were inferior to Mohammed (Al-Ghazali) or had stains on his dress (ibn Arabi talking about sins). All of this exist in soufism so even your esoterism that claims to understand and accept Christ and Christianity is totally heretic in their views of Christianity. Indeed how can the God incarnate, that in perfect union with God), be inferior to a prophet ? There is a real problem there. And for us, we don't talk much about other pre-christian revelations, we don't fight against others, and it's better not to talk (or only a little because there is), than saying blasphemies. Instead Islam is hated by every religions, is a concurrent to other revelations. While Christianity, in the act of the apostle is saying that the spirit didn't want Christians to go to the eastern countries. And we didn't, we didn't invade like you.

You also need to understand that there is a difference between orthodoxy and papism and that there is theosis (deification) in orthodoxy. And even Guénon admitted the esoteric and valid nature of hesychasm.

>>14139511
https://tarim.shifa.net.au/

This is the place I went. It wasn't just the experiences I had there that made me disillusioned, but the experience of Islam as a whole, over 13 years. It's just a really backward, superstitious religion. Everything is external. All they care about is having a long beard and short pants. The highly religious sufis are not any different from this. They just are very devout in following all the minute rulings and doing extra superogatory prayers.

Islam/sufism is very much, to me, like a bhakti cult in india. I've been to india also and its very similar. Just absolute devotion to this imaginary deity. If you don't understand the mind to the level as described in various indian philsosophies as guenon talks about, and understand what you are trying to do, becoming a sufi or worshipping any other deities is extremely dangerous and leads to heavy delusions.

>>14139511
What happened to your friend?

>>14139557
>If you don't understand the mind to the level as described in various indian philsosophies as guenon talks about, and understand what you are trying to do, becoming a sufi or worshipping any other deities is extremely dangerous and leads to heavy delusions.
Some Sufi writings reach very similar ideas and have similar metaphysical conclusions as to the Indian ones though, if they just read the right Islamic stuff they'd find it all right there although it seems that isn't really a huge focus of many Sufi groups nowadays.

>>14139592
Yes I know

I've read everything. However what you find in the books doesn't exist in the real world now.

>>14139596
there still write commentaries on and instruct people in Ibn Arabi's and Rumi's ideas in the Mevlevi

>>14139612
*they

>>14139612
yeah but its just on the level of theory or ideas

I haven't found any Muslims today who understand the states of consciousness that arise in meditation/thikr.

I started off with Naqshbandis in my city. Naqshbandis are a serious order. However when I started doing the practice, i started having experienced that none of them, who had been doing this for decades, knew what it meant. They only cared about dreams, visions and other nonsense. It was just the same everywhere I looked. But when I started to read commentaries on the yoga sutra and other Indian texts, I found these exact states described in detail and their meaning was explained fully. It's so simple, this was it... just Muslims are too backward intellectually and spiritually. I think also that Islam is too limiting a framework to sufficiently allow for a lot of things to be explained. Sufism is just a religious thing now, worshipping a deity for reward, singing songs about how Muhammad is the best ever, and that's all.

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>>14139648
I heavily suggest reading the works of Idries Shah. He was a contentious figure because he argued that there were a lot of degenerated forms of Sufism which are exactly like what you’re describing, bhakti-type cults which could potentially derange their followers and are degenerations of real Sufi schools. Shah definitely wasn’t the teacher to end all teachers but if you’re the type of person to resonate with it, his works can have a profound impact.

Some criticize Shah (validly, I think) because he forwent the hyper-emotional focus of pseudo-Sufis in favor of a much more austere, cerebral, seemingly Westernized presentation. This criticism has its merits, but you have to realize that he was trying to give out knowledge which would “inoculate” people from these cults and from using spirituality as a way to accelerate their own decline into mental derangement.

>>14137167
>is X good to read Y?
>11/09/19(Sat)05:30:24
every fucking time. when will americans learn?

>>14139732
I've read a few of his books. I wasnt impressed at the time. Perhaps I would look again, but I don't have interest in Islam nowadays. Just is a waste of time.

>>14139364
Nonsense.

>>14139732
Interesting, thank you. I'll give it a shot and keep an open mind. I am not Muslim but I'm very curious to learn about different and conflicting currents within it.

>>14139557
I wonder if this is unique to Islam, or whether it's simply hard to expect the faith to have anything other than this day-to-day, legalistic and formalistic essence in this fucked up day and age. The Islamic world has been through so much shit, and I say this as a Western chauvinist. Similar things are happening in India like you say, but I wonder if all this is just what a religion looks like when only the "mediaeval", peasant layer of it remains, and the higher elements are either missing or are so rare that they might as well be invisible.

I have to admit I am very naturally averse to Islam personally, and I want Muslims to fuck off from Europe and stay in their own countries. But that being said, I wouldn't want for any culture to be objectively shitty, with no way around it. I really strongly want/hope that every culture has its own inner truth and developmental destiny etc., and that nobody is ever doomed to being spiritually or culturally "homeless" and having to simply abandon their ancestral traditions. Even though all the more "conscious" parts of me agree with your assessment of Islam and I'm not surprised, on a deeper level, I don't get any satisfaction from it. I want the Muslim world to get its shit together and be able to stand on its own two feet. It's sad to hear this.

>>14139754
> I don't have interest in Islam nowadays

>>14139916
>I am not Muslim but I'm very curious to learn about different and conflicting currents within it.

I’m not Muslim either. Shah is a fascinating figure because he claimed Sufism is not limited to Islam and gave historical accounts of people of other religions learning from Sufis and Sufis learning from people of other religions. As well as Sufi teachers claiming they don’t really care about people’s religions and are just trying to give them important knowledge. Quite a number of Jews and Christians supposedly went to Rumi’s funeral, for instance. Sufism also seems to have influenced Hasidism and Freemasonry.

However, even saying this (that Sufism is trans-Islamic) is a bit contentious (to put it mildly) because you’ll get the people saying “NOOOOO THAT’S A NEW AGE WESTERNIZED LIE”

Other interesting supplementary reading:
People of the Secret by Ernest Scott
Among the Dervishes by OM Burke
Journeys with a Sufi Master by HBM Dervish (a hilariously obvious pseudonym but still an enlightening book)

>>14129835
>ven when taking a shit is as profound as taking psychedelics.
this is peak satire

>>14135818
>christian wife.
this is a meme, at least in the US. Christian women are absolute sluts, completely and utterly disloyal and among the most self-absorbed. The only place you could find something even close that ideal is among the amish.

>>14129835
guess I'm about to read Guenon

>>14129835
>the average Guenonposter
Why haven't you read him anon?

>>14141123
do you know any good sufism books in arabic to start with?

>>14139648
what is the experience you felt? is it from meditation? i heard from people who joined groups in india having experience a feeling but isn't that from the devoting to a god? but you said that this is backward

>>14132460
>falling for propaganda

>>14130419
is there a guide text to physiognomy

>>14130516
is this modern indian writing
cringe

>>14141730
https://archive.org/details/physiognomyhowto00loma

>>14129518
The tradition of razzing spam threads

>>14142352
that shit is pretty funny

>>14141559
A change in the feeling of "I"

>>14142753
Not that guy, but if reading the Yoga Sutras turned out to be what you felt like you were looking for all along then I would recommend also reading some of Shankara if you haven't already

>>14129835
How do I attain this

>>14129518
DR. PAVEL

>>14142782
see
>>14142770

>>14142782
read through the central texts/scriptures and commentaries of Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Neoplatonism, Kashmir Shaivism, Sufism, Hermeticism etc and/or be instructed by a spiritual teacher

>>14142789
Who?

>>14129518
he was postactively btfo by Whitehead

>>14142881
Whitehead was retroactively refuted by Guenon and Parmenides, he simply couldn't contend with the Eleatic doctrine

>>14141123
Which of course idries Shahs books do you recommend reading

>>14142881
in which book?

>>14141721
Is this propaganda?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px7kdd3lbx8

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>>14132980
Fact check: absolutely false, cringed.

do you know any christian guenonists?

>>14133122
Where does the Veil of Isis fall on this chart?

>>14143322
why would he deliberately do stupid shit with cameras on?
he's obviously playing some 10-d chess routine

>>14144514
Jean Borella

>>14144852
They do a lot of really dumb shit.

https://youtu.be/t9QVn--acOw?t=19m56s

>>14133122
why is this so weirdly arranged?

>>14133122
Multiple states of being often refers back to introduction to Hindu doctrines, man and his becoming and (perhaps surprisingly) symbolism of the cross, so I think the latter two should link to multiple states as prerequisites. Introduction is correctly placed right there in the beginning.

Seriously Guenon is the best advertiser of his own books. He constantly says some tantalizing thing and then he will say something like: but I have already written about this in another book.

Seriously you will need your man and his becoming and symbolism of the cross close at hand when you read multiple states.

>gets everybody interested in Hinduism
>converts to Islam
I’d love to know what would be Guenon’s take on Hare Krishna movement/ISKON

Legit or counter-tradition?

islam is simply the truth. No matter how much you resist or deny it

>>14145044
What makes it more true than Jesus Christ rising from the dead?

>>14145151
That was all just an illusion bro. It wasn't the real Jesus because God lies to people, apparently.

>>14145044
Abraham never visited Arabia, your prophet was a pedo

>>14145044
Christianity is the truth.

>>14145044
Islam and Christianity are both garbage. They are just things to control miserable slaves such as yourself.

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