/lit/ - Literature

You're just not familiar bc you do t read contemporary beyond litcore

>>14127517
I don't, but the laureates were previously very well known figures even to those who didn't read at all.

other than Faulker and Sinclair Lewis, those other writers are just 20th century lit bait.
Steinbeck's fame came from people interpreting Grapes as a commy story and because of a succesful film. Russel is an antiwar farg so he wins automoatically, otherwise he is a dead philosopher no one takes seriously. Camus' philosophy sucks dick. Ponty and Heidegger were better existentialists. T.S. Eliot is great poet, but he is also a heavy handed brainlet that arguably gave poetry a really bad look, and because of his top 1% erudite audience writing, he made literature way too elite. Churchill, whatever. Good speechmaker, good leader. It's easy to rise to the top of history during a big ass war you didn't want. "Often great man not of their own accord when war is supreme" - Thucydides. Hemingway, great writer, boring ideas that are just watered down Freud and war PTSD bait.

>>14127519
>I dont
Then why should I trust your historical opinions when you can’t even get ahold of something with living critical consensus? This board is no better than clickbait Buzzfeed bitches when it comes to literary opinions, I swear to god.

>>14127507
>not know based Le Clezio

shame, /lit/ ought to love him

>>14127507
You don't know who Bob Dylan is? For shame.

>>14127640
for what its worth, I've met several people who have never heard of Dylan, or any of his music. and not just zoomers mind you

>>14127609
Yeah what the fuck.

What is some good contemporary lit though? The most recent I've read (besides theory) is Yu Hua's "Brothers" from 2005.

>>14127648
for what its worth, they probably of head of dylan's music (in passing), not realizing its dylan

>hey have you heard Wagner?
>who's Wagner?
>plays ride of the valkyrie
>oh, that's Wagner? i had no clue!

>Churchill
>Russell
You missed out greats like Galsworthy, and who forget the immortal Henryk Sienkiewicz and Selma Lagerlöf

>>14127507
Politics. Nobel Prize means absolutely nothing.

>>14127553
>Churchill
So ... have you read his history books? Because they are fantastic.

>>14127662
Sure, on an ipod commercial or two.

>>14127662
They're people who don't know Wagner by name?

>>14127662
My roommate never heard any of his songs and when I played some of the most noteworthy ones (all along the watchtower, subterranean, mr tambourine etc.) didn't recognize any of them. Mind you he only listens to top 40 and Disney approved music

>>14127698
Why are you living with and blowing such a pleb?

>>14127698
>only listens to top 40 and Disney approved music
thats unfortunate, but whatever floats his boat i guess

>>14127702
It's temporary and barely talk to him anyway.

He wishes I would blow him, but too fat and hairy

>>14127696
Yes. People heard snippets of Ride of the Valkyries all the time from movie trailers, but have never bothered to find out. They probably think it's some stock orchestral music.

>>14127742
>when does the singing begin?

>>14127507
Elfriede Jelinek is fantastic and you're exposing yourself as someone who simply doesn't read anything besides Houellebecq and Dazai. If reading is too difficult for you, you can always watch the movie The Piano Teacher which was based off her novel.

>>14127553
The thing is that you can criticise the figures on the life because they were in fact actual figures, people with real ideas that maybe were flawed/elitist/proletariat. But the people on the right side of the pic barely constitute humans, they are puppets who are only celebrated by critics desperately trying to stay relevant in the age of artificial journalism.

>>14127507
The early Nobel prizes are full of literal whos. If not, please tell me about all those irrelevant Scandi idealisk writers

Why do we even care about this Nobel Prize shit anyway? It seems like a forced meme now that I think about it.

>Churchil one one
How I know he has some historical works but a novel prize seems why to much.

>>14127553
>Russel is an antiwar farg so he wins automoatically, otherwise he is a dead philosopher no one takes seriously.
I hope it’s a bait.

>>14127846
It's like the Oscars; the shittiest award event is the most famous.

>>14127507
Russel was a fucking hack, the Nobel price didn't get any worse, photography just got better.

>>14127676
>You missed out greats like Galsworthy
Nobody gives a shit about a mediocre anglo nobody like Galsworthy.

See the Hugo awards for a glimpse of the future. Before long, it'll be all colored trannies.

>>14127507
colour photography

>>14127943

>>14127507
The presence of Bertrand Russel automatically makes the now side better in OP.

>>14127630
is he actually better than Modiano?
Modiano just can't write

>>14127507
This capitalist phase in history is culturally bankrupt, scatterbrained. Some good work is done, but this prize is just a silly award show.
No one feels like making anything quality.... fucking Churchill

>>14127519
>society values literature more
>literary icons are public figures and you know them even if you’re a brainlet
>society values Avengers movies, YA shit, and cooming
>literary icons cease to be public figures and are therefore obscure to the general reader
Not to mention that the left hand of image has way more Western Europeans and Americans than the right hand does. Some of the major works on the right hand haven’t been translated into English at all. Etc.

>>14128280
>fucking Churchill
This, Hitler would have defeated capitalism.

>>14127630
>>14128255
Le Clezio is terrible.
He writes the equivalent of road movies with a would be anthropological twist tainted by feelgood bullshit morality. He's the higher grade of train station literature. Probably gets raving reviews on goodreads, I don't have the courage to read that.

>>14128330
The Round and Other Stories, Desert and The Interrogation don't have the "feel good" bullshit you're talking about

>>14127761
Came here to more or less post this. Jelinek and Hanke are both well deserving of the prize.

>>14128280
>Capitalism is kill, this time for real!
You will read everything but the most basic book about economics.

>>14127678
The same politics that left Borges without a Nobel. It has no credibility.

>>14127507
Nobel Prize in things like peace and literature are now 100% politically motivated adornments.

>>14128327
stop clinging to failed a alternative-modernity
facism even lower than communism

>>14130356
This is an English-language website.

>>14130371
sorry my dude I just had a stroke
what I meant to say was:
stop clinging to alternative-modernities
fascism is even lower than communism

>>14130383
>stop clinging to alternative-modernities
National socialism was a means to an end rather than something for the sake of itself.

>fascism is even lower than communism
Categorically false.

>>14130399
national socialism was the failed project which tried to appease the lower classes, promising to end all struggles, by putting the burden of the cause of conflict on the Jew and other minorities which didn't have the power to resist stigmatization and only partial destruction. Basically exteriorizing fault and error on to others not able to resist it. What if natsocs actually looked into their own project and improved on it? (never seen that, never even saw a nazi acknowledge faults) At least stalinism and maoism ran better and longer than natsoc.

>>14130469
>the ideology based on the idea that "those who want to live let them fight and those who don't want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live" is meant to end all struggles
>stealing from you enemies is bad
>the longevity of a regime is singularly the result of ideology and not impacted by its geopolitical circumstance
>a regime of terror with no logic is better than one with logic because the former happened to take hold in the most defensible nation in the world

>>14127830
Hamsun and Laxness are great though.

>>14127553
>It's easy to rise to the top of history during a big ass war you didn't want
But he did want it, and he loved it.

>>14127553
>Russel is an antiwar farg so he wins automoatically, otherwise he is a dead philosopher no one takes seriously
>no one takes seriously
I wish it was so, but I'd say it's the complete opposite of that.

>>14132484
Russel seems to trigger a lot of people these days. The phrase logical positivism is enough to anger a lot of liberal arts snowflakes. Totally based guy.

>>14127507
Handke is based, kill the muslimades.
Serb war now

>>14127507
Bottom left is Transtrommer, fucking idiot.

>>14127507
literally whos? I think you mean literary whos

>>14127507
The Unconsoled is an amazing novel

>>14133036
>The phrase logical positivism is enough to anger a lot of liberal arts snowflakes
Why do you think this?

>>14133417
>hey guys I know who one of them is, am I smart?
Fucking idiot. I already know who all of them are.

>>14127507
Most nobel winners back then too were literally who non-anglos you've probably never heard of.

>>14127507
>shitting on Doris Lessing
Fucking plebs, read The Golden Notebook before embarassing yourselves.

>>14127507
Damn, Tokarczuk is. so insufferable and boring. Le Clezio and few others are okay however. Who knows what a few more decades will mean for all those names anyway.

>>14128330

You've clearly never read Terra Amata

>>14127507
Ishiguro is based and Eliot was a hack.
Also let us not forget about the winners of 1974.

What language are their books read in?

>>14127507
for what did Russell won a nobel? That 2000 pages of formal logic?

>>14127507
i don't like them colored folk

Gray people are obviously more important

>>14135444
his infamous history of philosophy where he calls Plato and Rousseau the fathers of totalitarianism and Hegel the first Nazi

its probably the most popular book in its field

>>14127553
>Churchill
>war you didn't want
Anon, I...

>>14135515
>Hegel the first Nazi
Lmao what

>>14130823
>stalinism has no logic
yet it ran some 50 years and managed to get people to space
>morally unsound acts are justified as long as they’re directed at the group chosen as enemies
so jews are justified in turning whites into cattle?
>invoking natural causes when the foundations of your ideology are btfo
pls post IQ charts and >>>/pol/

>>14129316
No, capitalism is at this stage now. We *hope* this is its demise
>Basic economics
Like Sowell? I’m not going into accounting or the stock market. You ever read some sociology?