/lit/ - Literature

>>14126833
It hasn't though

Silicon Valley marketing speak doesn't necessarily have basis in reality.

>>14126837
The thousands of people camping outside Apple stores for every new release of one of their derivative products says otherwise. Same with the millions of people who mindlessly watch every Marvel movie just because its a Marvel movie.

>>14126833
Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher

>>14126844
OP references Fisher, isn't there anyone else that does his shtick better?

>>14126833
>Mark Fisher isn't the only one to write about this, right?
That's the problem.

>>14126858
Is this burgerpunk?

>>14126833
semi-off topic, but related i suppose, there was an amazing Ted talk by Benjamin Bratton about why Ted talks are just a piece of shit silicone valley religious exercise

https://youtu.be/Yo5cKRmJaf0

>TED stands for Middlebrow Megachurch Infotainment

>>14126869
>TED talk about why TED talks are just a piece of shit silicone valley religious exercise
This is a contradiction, otherwise they wouldn't allow him to criticize them.

>>14126889
do you wanna watch it? or do you just want to use the word ‘contradiction’ in an illogical sentence?

>>14126889
https://www.ted.com/about/our-organization
>independently run TEDx events help share ideas in communities around the world.

TEDx is not Ted

>>14126833
>worship corporate brands as religions
Nobody does that.

>>14126869
>amazing Ted talk

>Nobody does that.

>>14126903
t. Eric Butts

>>14126908
Some people prefer some brands over others, this is not religious worship. And your """meme""" is pointless and dumb as fuck.

>>14126869
Sam hydes ted talk was the only good one

>your """meme"" is pointless and dumb as fuck

>>14126923
>Brands sponsor events
Wow, the conspiracy is real.

>the conspiracy is real

>>14126923
That one nigger wears a crucifix. I always knew the church is behind LGBT.

>>14126935
You do realize you're coming off as more retarded with every post?

>>14126908
sauce of this masterpiece, how does make a picture of everything I hate?

>>14126908
The left can't meme.

>>14126935
brands don't care about any type of value be it diversity, lgbt-rights etc. This is just a marketing ploy

>>14126905
>>14126919
haha, yeah this one is a bit more serious but on a similar vibe of TED getting rekt

>>14126940
Sauce: postmodernism

>>14126942
>something against nu-males
Nu-males is a talking-point of the right, if it's ever discussed

>>14126943
That's right, companies are just making profit. Herd mentality faggots still follow them like a cult and that only makes the first statement worse.

>>14126908
>played MtG
>liked Chrono Trigger and Fallout 1/2
>dislike extreme global capitalism
oh no, I was a soiboi all along! how will I ever recover?!

>>14126946
FUCKING KEKKKKK

The Culture of Narcissism by Christopher Lasch has some good insights into this phenomenon.

>>14126946

based Raj, trains is a hard job!

>>14126952
When Walmart gets a black female CEO, watch the left turn 180 and suddenly love the company and how progressive it is.

>>14126908
back in my day the only thing we did for entertainment was hit each other in the face with sticks while walking through 3 feet of snow uphill both ways, AND WE ENJOYED IT.

>>14127192
fuck off boomer, nobody cares

>>14126931
Banks call for shutting down payment for certain people or shows that have a wrong opinion actually.
The forced skepticism on lit is a joke, you're not clever.

>>14126952
>>14126953
True anti capitalism is by definition right wing and anti lgbt

>>14127167
Leftism is nothing but identity politics driven consumerism, middle class guilt and an outright loathing for literate culture

>>14126943
I just want to bash their pink haired skulls with a baseball bat, is that too much to ask?

>>14127322
>Leftism is nothing but identity politics driven consumerism, middle class guilt and an outright loathing for literate culture
Books for this characterization?

>>14126869
Thanks. I enjoyed that.

>>14127073
If the burgerpunk writer still wants ideas
>devices have no back camera anymore

>>14127337
Kulturindustrie, Society of Spectacle or The Theory of the Leisure Class. The right wing classics of anticomsumerism.

>>14126833
Homo Deus

>>14127247
Corporations are using social issues to promote their product, they're not creating those issues. Nike would advertise their product using swastikas if it was profitable.

>ctrl + f baudrillard
>0 results

>>14127440
You're missing the point.
Anon was being a dumbass by implying that all they do is market degeneracy
They actively work to take away people's income, that's no small deal

>>14126833
The utility of tribe was superceded by organized religion. Religion was superceded by the rise of nation-states, which in turn is now being superceded by corporate entities.

It's sociological evolution.

>>14127441
respect

plus Zizek

>>14126833
1. Hope and Tragedy, last 100 years
2. Infinite jest, how retards memed a book into infamity
3. 50 shades of Ginger, how females outed themsselves as coomers

>>14127441
Literally who?

Why didn't you listen?

>>14128085
t.incel
didnt read

>>14127372
by today's standards Debord and Adorno would be right wing.

>>14126833
Look into the situationists. Get society of the spectacle

It's something fundamental to corporate business. Our resumes can't be a list of skills, experience, and education, no. You have to have an objective line giving lip service that corporatocracy is your real true dream and you love love love your job and live to work. You can't just have a business that makes good x, you have to have a mission statement that tells your life story and your values and wraps it all up in a disney princess story that ends with making x in order to y and z. Interviewing? Why do you want to work here? Hint: you can't say the obvious, "nigga i got rent to pay."

The pozz goes to every god damned level of corporate america, right down to business colleges. It's indoctrination into the belief that work is life and companies are more than "nigga you're a burger company, you make fucking burgers."

t. /biz/ major and work in finance. Everyone here is faker than a chinese sandwich.

>>14128448
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS

>>14126833
Probably this one too

>>14126917
So how are you liking your Disney Plus subscription?

>>14126908
>the hiroyuki pic

>>14128448
Can confirm. Once told a corporate HR hag during an interview that I want the job because I gotta eat. Interview ended right there. They don't want workers, they want acolytes.

>>14127318
Haha funny joke.

>>14126931
Of course. This has been a thing since before you were born.

>>14126833
Disagree. There are definitely a proportion of the population who are dedicated to brands, but can you seperate that from interest? Its the same as dedicating yourself to a hobby, or any other ingroup. It doesnt seem any more extreme than it use to, the only difference in the pressence of companies due to increased media pressence.

The amount of meterialism in my experience is if anything, less now than it was in the 2000's or 90's. The only difference now is that everything is more incendiary.

>>14128448
This is true and the corporate mindset is a total brainworm of our society. Worked as an assistant manager for a department at a large corp and the head manager was really frustrated because "I don't think our workers love this company as much as I do!"

So I just read up that there's now a "vulnerable narcissist" type aka a narcissist who isn't manipulative, just clinically depressed because he is "entitled" to shit and thinks the world is crappy and unfair.
Is this gaslighting? I hate this world. I hate how it works. I can't stand how fake and shallow everyone has adapted to be and how everyone just acts like a herd of social climbers constantly nodding and saying yepyepyepyep and only concerned about looking good in front of others. I hate how actual narcissists who do nothing to conceal how narcissistic they are are worshipped for being narcissists as if it were a quality of the strong, but somehow I am just as narcissistic for disliking all of this and wishing for something better?
I don't even know what to believe anymore.
How do I move out of the internet? How do I just silently walk out of society without going mad? How do I make a living if I am so uncomfortable with everything involving human beings?

>>14127441
Is this supposed to be deep

>>14128815
The social has murdered and absorbed everything. The only escape is into the non-human: nature, animals, metaphysics. Get out while you still can.

>>14128826
I love animals and nature but the current state of things makes me feel even worse. People abandon any pretense of ethics when it comes to animals and nature.
I would study something related to conservation but I am too old to study and I have no money, and most of these positions receive no funding at all anyway because nobody cares.
It's as if everything were crumbling to dust around me, there is no place to go. I don't even believe I am depressed anymore, I just see how shit everything is.

>>14128910
1. Save your ass off until you have enough to buy a small piece of land somewhere in bumfuck nowhere
2. Build a tiny off grid house (<30k)
3. Grow most of your own food
4. Figure out a way to pull in even $150-200 a week working from your laptop or doing odd jobs
5. Never entire society again

much much easier if you find a girl who's got a similar vision/outlook

Do you think Nietzsche would look at the modern world and feel like killing himself? His entire thesis, his main point, is that if we move beyond our devotion to God, if we embrace the radical freedom possible for man in a world where he is not slave to aristocracies, we can be supermen, men of pure will.

Well, religion and most aristocracies are totally lacking in power today, but we didn't get a world of supermen. Instead we got... this.

>>14128953
I'm not sure about these plans, the more I consider them the more unrealistic they look in the long term. Everyone is leaving this life I want to live and leaving ghost towns behind. It just seems like this model of humanity has become obsolete and nobody cares anymore about it.

>>14126908
Everything on this pic is cancer except for Chrono Trigger. Great plot and gameplay for it's time. Fifteen different endings if can believe that. In a game from 1995.

>>14128969
>Do you think Nietzsche would look at the modern world and feel like killing himself?
Even Gautama Buddha would look at the modern world and feel like killing himself

>>14128969
Dunno. If we took his production radically then consumerism/capitalism/liberalism/political correctness would be the life-affirming morality of today that succesful, socially active and powerful people preach; while anti-consumerism/socialism/ludditism/racism would be the life-denying one preached by the outcasts.

>>14129063
Consumerists are Last Men in the flesh. No idea where you got this.

>>14128969
>men of pure will
yeah, i would love to see Nietzsche respond to Kafka. we have given up god and moved into an eternal waiting room.

>>14129063
no, i don’t think he’d be the status quo apologist a lot of people seem to wish he would be.

it may sound like a silly comparison, as he calls himself a ‘communist’ but i do think Zizek is quite close to where Nietzsche would be today.. just the lingo has switched from morality to ideology

>>14128998
I agree, the model is becoming obsolete and people are completely disconnecting from the natural world - but this 'solves' the problem for you, not society at large. Make what peace you can within your own life and do what you need to do to, even if that's getting the fuck out of society.

Wait, everyone in the nationalism thread told me it was good to feel belonging and loyalty to an abstract concept wider than your immediate family, are you guys saying that a bad thing?

>>14128969
yet i don’t think the world looks too different than it did then to Nietzsche... i really don’t think he would be surprised. his writings were fucking seething for good reason, and they make just the same sense today as they did then.

>>14129091
That´s just resentment speaking. Consumerism isn´t egalitarian, comfortable or stable. It´s quite predatory system with large inequalities.

First you need to compete in capitalist market and draw a lot resources towards you. The you need to buy the correct products and follow the correct subcultures to be cool. Then you need to be entertaining enough in order to have large social network. Then you need to capitalize it in the form of likes on socmedia. In order to achieve this you need to be high-energy, assertive, smart, charismatic and attractive. This rough competition leaves lot of people fall down into depression, because they fail to compete in the "social world" and don´t have any friends to do stuff with, neither they have any sexual partners.

People who fail to acquire enough resources are resentful towards those that do and demand redistribution. Those who fail to acquire partners are resentful to those who do and demand enforcement of monogamy. Those who fail to be cool, hate the culture and consider it "brainwashing", "onions" or another fancy term. Those who used to be the dominant demographic in the past, but are losers now think that the culture is conspiracy against their group and that they deserve to be great again etc.

It´s very reminiscent of master/slave morality.

>>14129122
Anon I'm honestly not sure if I can lead the ascetic life without killing myself. I really need some humanity in my life, I'm not that mentally strong, or at least I am not prepared for this kind of feat right now.

>>14129173
Sophomoric reading of Nietzsche. Read Zarathustra and try and post this again with a straight face.

>>14129179
"We have discovered happiness"--say the last men, and blink thereby.
They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they need warmth.
One still loveth one's neighbour and rubbeth against him; for one needeth
warmth.
Turning ill and being distrustful, they consider sinful: they walk warily.
He is a fool who still stumbleth over stones or men!
A little poison now and then: that maketh pleasant dreams. And much
poison at last for a pleasant death.
One still worketh, for work is a pastime. But one is careful lest the
pastime should hurt one.
One no longer becometh poor or rich; both are too burdensome. Who still
wanteth to rule? Who still wanteth to obey? Both are too burdensome.
No shepherd, and one herd! Every one wanteth the same; every one is equal:
he who hath other sentiments goeth voluntarily into the madhouse.

Doesn´t sound like consumerism, sorry. Consumerism is highly unequal.

>>14129219
Consumerism's leveling of human types is very evident today. You're an undergrad who mistook Nietzsche's doctrine of the Overman as him championing any and all forms of hierarchy today, which is patently untrue.

The Overman transcends the dichotomy of master/resentment. Read Nietzsche and stop contributing to his vulgarization.

>>14126833
>What are some books that represent this fictional world in my psyche because i went on twitter too long

>>14129106
>would love to see Nietzsche respond to Kafka.
what

There has been a constant struggle in art showcasing the disparity between the rich and the poor. so much evidence in our current culture wherein unchecked capitalism is ruining the planet, and yet everyone continues to perform in it. Why are we aware of this cancer, but do nothing to try and terminate it

>>14129245
>The Overman transcends the dichotomy of master/resentment

prove it

>>14129274
True masters overcome their dependency on slaves.

Stop vulgarizing Nietzsche faggot.

>>14129292
prove it

>>14129269
Because it just defaults into “what we put in place, then?”. The only real competition to capitalism have the dubious honor of killing a average of 10% of the population of the countries it was attempted by accident, so what else there is?

>>14129302
>Because it just defaults into “what we put in place, then?”
Something in the middle, you know, without retarded "here, do whatever the fuck you want" lasse-faire economics? That would have been kind of a good idea at the time.

>>14129264
simple sentence: i would love to see Nietzsche respond to Kafka.

take Nietzsche and put him in a never ending bureaucratic nightmare and see if he escapes in time

>>14129274
>>14129292
the overman overcomes both the master and slave, obvs

>>14129300

It's on you to prove Silicon Valley CEOs are the model for Nietzsche's Overman, since apparently if you don't think so its just your resentment speaking. You won't

>>14129245
>Consumerism's leveling of human types is very evident today.
It´s very evident that people are more and more divided into those with active social life and those without it. Those who are burn out and those who work hard. Those who are attractive and those who are ugly. Even more so than in the past, because in the past people were rooted in one place and had communities that cared about it´s members.

I´m not saying anything about consoomers being overman. Just that the genealogical method can be applied against anti-consumerist movement in the same fashion it was applied against christianity.

>>14128953

How old are you, man?

>>14129320
haha, yeah.. a true overman is more of a grinning devil.. think dave chappelle or charles manson

it’s not just an average normal person in the system, Nietzsche didnt waste his time describing his ideal person being someone that’s easy to find

>>14126908
>Include everything with even a hint of popularity
Why'd they exclude water, air and sunlight?

>>14129302
Reform capitalism, solarpunk style

>>14129336
Lmao, as if Overmen are distinguished by their inclusion/exclusion in the mass. God you're so fucking stupid. Americans shouldn't be allowed to read Nietzsche until at least they're 35

>>14129359
I´m not a mutt, cunt. You just got angry and failed to respond in a meaningful way. No one´s talking about overman here apart from you.

lol

>>14129378
It's cool, people who defend consumerism or try to apply Nietzsche's genealogical critique to those who don't are mutts in spirit

>>14129390
Stop being angry, anon. Try to argue instead.

>>14129378
im not the other poster, i can see what you’re trying to get at with the anticonsumer resentment bit, maybe. but most of your thesis on hierarchy and competition etc isn’t really nietzsche, that would be social darwinism

>>14129401
like this guy said >>14129414

Will to power =/= social darwinism

the entire point of the Overman is that he overcomes this economy of power differentials, or at least overcomes it in its HUMAN mode

>>14129308
>without retarded "here, do whatever the fuck you want" lasse-faire economics?
So, what we already have? Laissez-faire have been dead as an economic policy since WW2.

>>14126833
I think this might be along the same lines of thought but I'm not certain it's what you're looking for. Look for anything related to Memetics. Corporations adopted some of its ideas in the pursuit of more money. Richard Dawkins explained it pretty simply in Viruses of the Mind. If you do read it, don't get too hung up on his use of religion as an example -- I think our modern age clearly proves the principles outlined can be applied more generally.

>>14126837

Girls get the playboy logo tattooed on their body.

>>14126953
>>14127192
>>14129001
>>14129343
SEETHING

>>14129447
And men get the Monster energy drink logo tattoo what's your point

>>14129430
we are in full blown laissez faire anarcho-capitalism right now. there is no "government"

>>14129401
>>14129428
true, and just remember who Nietzsche actually was. he had a tiny ass room, was a total loner writing angry ass books to himself, imagining he was Der Gekreuzigte

not much of a Donald Trump

>>14129484
That's what the image was designed to do, someone questions how stupid it is and you get to reply with "SEETHING". It's just a shitty Kafkatrap.

>>14129320
prove it

>>14129494
>we are in full blown laissez faire anarcho-capitalism right now. there is no "government"
?????
Virtually all countries in the west have some form of labour protection and rights. Large corporations might game the system and exploit loopholes, but it is a far call to the "you break your arm, you lose your job" mentality of 19th century Britain.

>>14129314
>never ending bureaucratic nightmare and see if he escapes in time

>>14129530
the government had nothing to do with "labor rights"

>>14129559
Are you retard?

>>14129343
>his such a soi that this seems like "everything" to him

>>14129559
Except, of course, for creating and enforcing them.

>>14129572
you really think there's some kind of fatherly government protecting you, don't you?

>>14129493
>reinforces his point
>wats ur point
Too busy worshipping cunt to follow a conversation

>>14126869
based

>>14126919
CAUSE WE'RE JUST GONNA KILL EM

>>14129602
Labor laws are LITERALLY enforced by the government.

Can you not see reality?

>>14129428
Sure, but overman is a different thesis, overman comes later and overcomes this conflict. This is just about society producing values that praise success in it´s raw form while the strata which failes at achieving it values inverts them instead. It´s fairly clear that the "master" side are the consumerists with that "work hard, party hard" attitude; even though they are no longer real masters of anyone, just the strata that didn´t fall through the cracks of social atomization.

>>14129631
Then why are subhuman wages, 50+ hour workweeks and outsourcing even a thing

>>14126889
If you're loud enough and ever present, you can just drown out critics. Have you not read brave new world, that was main difference between it as 1984

>>14129631
>LITERALLY

>>14129343
Because Starbucks, vaping and sitting inside watching Netflix are more popular than water, air and sunlight

>>14126908
>Path of Exile
hey

>>14128969
he already knew how things were going to turn out.

>>14128085
Go back.

>>14128969
I don't think Nietzsche's main point is to embrace radical freedom, but to impose aggressive creativity. He would look at the world today as the result of the ascetic ideal; God is missing but the apparatus of Bad Conscience remains. People escape inwards into online para-social relationships and deny their own instincts to overcome.

>>14126908
This image is a masterpiece

>>14126833
>>14126858
Anyone else terrified about how fucked the future will be? It's not even fucking 2020 yet and we already have shit like this.

>>14129638
Without labor laws the wages would be even lower, hours even longer, and you'd be ten years old

>>14126908
Not Danny Trejo...

>>14131992
Yes. I actually welcome the apocalypse. I think it would be better if there was an angry God who wiped humanity off the face of the earth and started again.

>>14132165
Same. Some day a real rain will come.

>>14129063
>consumerism/capitalism/liberalism/political correctness would be the life-affirming morality of today that succesful, socially active and powerful people preach; while anti-consumerism/socialism/ludditism/racism would be the life-denying one preached by the outcasts.
>literal faggots and roastie abortionists are life-affirming
There is a stark difference between life-denying and world-denying.

>>14132173
Based taxi driver

>>14131992
The west went full blown dystopian after may 68

>>14132236
>life denying
>anti-abortionist

Choose one and only one.

>>14133419
I think you need to read his post again.

>>14132165
> and started again.
No thanks

>>14129493
Retard