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>Atheist
That isn’t a religion. That box should read “None of the above”

>>14119251
It is because it is an axiom of belief that you can't prove (because you can't prove that there isn't a God), and it determines how you look at and interact with the world.

>>14119233
>people are unironically christian here
WTF i thought everyone was just joking. yikes

VIVA CRISTO REY

where my buddhabros at

>>14119307
But we prove it all the time. We proved all your gods false and there continues to be no actual god. It carries are much weight as laws and other fictions.

Atheism=absence of a religion. Final answer

I'm a deist

>>14119347
this. i just put other

>>14119344
Butterfly, you wouldn't be a tranny if you believed in God, so your Atheism certainly impacts your actions. Furthermore, no Atheist has ever disproved God's existence. The closest they got is proving a rational for being skeptical of his existence, but Aethiests haven't provided any concrete evidence.

For instance, if you take the Clockmaker theory of God. A God that created everything and then just passively observes (or ignores) his creation. You can't prove he doesn't exist, because he won't interact with any of your experiments to disprove him.

/lit/ is a Catholic board

Bump

>>14119344
>This level of dialectic negation

>>14119399

There is no such thing as proof, just usefulness. There is nothing useful in religion. It is a distraction for stupid people. I usually don't mind it because it doesn't affect me, but you christfucks are messing up my board. So why don't you go suck big J's dick, and fuck off to some Koolaid festival.

>>14119337
Siddhartha Gautama was a truly wonderful soul. Wish all men could be like him, and all women too.

Orthodox Hegelian

>>14119480
Based retard

>>14119316
You don't have to follow a religion to appreciate its texts

>>14119511

Thank you... or perhaps "HEY!"

>>14119480
Religious values enforce ethics and morality. If you remove the core people will eventually rationalize away any need to constrain their actions for the benefit of others. While not immediate, an Atheistic society will inevitably either devolve into anarchy, or despotism.

>>14119233

>>14119344
Butters has everything been okay? You've been saying more retarded things then usual.

>>14119233
It's time for a religion based upon the observable laws of nature. One that acknowledges the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon. I believe that our feeling of "spirituality" is just a misunderstanding of natural things that we do not fully understand. For example: When you sense that someone is going to call your phone, and then they do. Or when you know what someone is going to say right before they say it. These experiences have happened to everyone, and is proof of an unseen "supernatural" force. Who knows what could happen if we harness this force, we could have access to power far greater than that of a nuclear reactor.

I like what I see

Where my /dharma/ bro's out?

The only "religion" worth a damn is Buddhism.

However, it's interesting to see self-proclaimed Agnostics even existing still, considering it's not mutually-exclusive, one; and, two, Gnosticism isn't included on the list -- why include one, but not its antithesis? Hmmm

>>14120336
I mean considering they've basically thrown Atman back in under different terms it's pointless to call it better than any other dharmaic religion.

>>14119233
Christian, but I love studying other religions and world myths.

Atheism

>>14119399
>>14119465
>>14120240
settling christian nihilists

>>14120315
Where's the Jain option?

>meme answers like catholicism, atheism, paganism, islam, and jews predominate
Expected. Grow the fuck up already, /lit/

>>14119251
how do you always manage to write stuff that makes my blood boil?

>>14120548
What's the secret oh enlightened one?

>>14119233
teleports behind you shintoism

>>14120607
>spirit worship
Why would you trust tricksters?

>>14120605
mu

>>14120617
You pass this test.

>>14119233
I'm a thelemite

>>14120630
Oh honey no think about you eternal soul

>>14119344
Give an example of a definitive proof of the non-existence of God.

>>14119399
> Religion isn't useful.
How can people this stupid exist.

>>14120641

Give me evidence for the non-existence of Allah first

>>14120652
I was literally defending religion you retard, Butterfly was the one claiming it had no (if not an adverse) value

>>14119591

>Religious values enforce ethics and morality.

No they don't. Norms and instincts do.

>If you remove the core people will eventually rationalize away any need to constrain their actions for the benefit of others.

Religion is responsible for all the atrocities of the world. Their need to destroy rationality that would expose them has caused untold suffering. The inability to think and choose creates the environment for exploiters to thrive. Exploiters aren't restricted by morality. Shit! They use it to manipulate people into accepting their exploitation.

>While not immediate, an Atheistic society will inevitably either devolve into anarchy, or despotism.

Where is your proof? Cooperation gets us more than the sum of individual action. If you kill to steal then there isn't anyone left to make shit for you to steal. It is always better to cooperate than to compete.
Those that exploit don't understand this and will be assholes regardless of the system. However having smart people means that the assholes are easy to spot.

As an atheist I can clearly see the assholes, and every one of them hides behind the cloak of some religion or another.

>>14119233
I'm Christian. By theology, I should be Orthodox, but I have a sort of sickliness of character that makes me too prideful to adhere too closely to any dogma or conform to any ritual.

>>14120592
It isn’t a religion. How do you manage to not get such a simple concept?

How can you guys actually believe in god? Every single one of the arguments are terrible. Even the best ones are barely passable. It's pathetic. There is a reason 72% of philosophers are atheists.

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>>14121382
Faith

>>14121382
I know this is bait but once you actually read philosophy you realise that atheism is retarded.

Bump

>>14119233
>Muslim

>>14119344
>Final answer
God I wish.

>>14120724
Just like at the sorry state of secular America and try to tell me all bad people are religious. You're like those people that somehow think the Westboro Baptist church represents the status quo

>>14119480
atheism begets degeneracy
holistic christian spirituality and culture are counterdegenerate
if degeneracy is wrong, so is atheism

>>14120298
the religion you are describing is wicca transsexualism

>>14123226

[Citation desperately needed]

>>14119233
Branch Davidian, or Raelian

>>14120715
i think anon was trying to agree with you desu

>>14120592
I thought I was the only one. Even his simplest and/or dumbest remarks make me catch a short glimpse of bashing his head with a sledgehammer.

>>14123240
weimar, ww1, post-obergefell america, ww1, post vatican II catholic church, compare with countries with active christian cultures which are reinforced by the state like poland, hungary, russia (sometimes), romunia and spain, or the holy roman empire, byzantine empire, russian empire historically

>>14123243
real or larp

>>14123259

That's just random terms strung together. Do you have actual definitions of the terms you're using, and actual data to back up your claims with?

>>14123278
>define poland
anon are you retarded

>>14123297

No, define 'degeneracy'.

>>14122033
Thanks for proving religious people are retards.
>>14122082
Only 14% philosophers seem to agree with you.

>>14123302
polyamory/polygamy/rootless hypergamy, sodomy, abolition of traditional sexual hierarchy, diffuse and orgasm-centric sexual culture, dissolution of the family and of public life, sexualization of children, dissolution of morally determinant religious identity into morally indeterminant secular identities

deviation from a state whose reference point is Being, ideal and whole into a state whose reference point is Becoming, the self, partial, material

Christianity

>>14119251
Why do you even participate in philosophy threads and religion threads if your own goal is to smugly promote your weird amalgamation of atheism, stirner, nietzsche and milquetoast epicureanism, without ever keeping an open mind towards anything else? You just pop into threads over and over to smugly maintain your perspective, as if it’s some perfect truth you’ve arrived at, as if you’re the only morally nihilist hedonist “just create your own meaning and enjoy life lol” millennial.
Do you really think with certainty that your perspective is greater than all the philosophies and religions you smugly dismiss over and over?

>>14123323

>polygamy

Supported by the Bible

>sodomy

Older than Christianity, good luck 'fighting' it, especially with those pedo priests who love little boys

>abolition of traditional sexual hierarchy

What traditional sexual hierarchy? Spoiler alert: you would have been an incel loser in a 'Christian' society just as much as you are now.

>dissolution of the family and of public life,

Christian divorce rates are through the roof

>sexualization of children, dissolution of morally determinant religious identity into morally indeterminant secular identities

Again, see pedo priests

>>14123387
polygamy was supported in the first covenant, and not in the second covenant, read the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistles of St. Paul

of course it's older than christianity, sodomy is a primordial sin. I drew attention to your exact point when I brought up Vatican II. Look into it, we all hate this. Also I am not orthodox

read Genesis, the Gospel of Matthew, and once again, the Epistles of St. Paul.

And all of this was addressed as well when I distinguished between societies whose Christian cultures are reinforced by the state and those which do not. For example, over half of divorce proceeding cite pornography at some point as a reason for the divorce. Putin is trying to ban pornography. So is Australia. Strong Christian countries fight this. America does not because the government is secular and the economy exports hedonism into every home

again, see Vatican II. before this, the catholic church was the prime opponent of sexual degeneracy. Look up the Legion of Decency

>>14123425
same anon here, meant to say am not Catholic

I believe Jesus and god, and I went to a catholic school, and I have a question for those who identify as a catholic. Since the church has done a ton of evil throughout history and even today has degenerate priests why on earth would you associate yourself with it? Maybe I should do more research to see which “ism” I fall under but at the end of the day faith is truly the only thing that matters. Is frowned upon to just be a believer? Any tips or advice?

>>14123369
>as if you’re the only morally nihilist hedonist “just create your own meaning and enjoy life lol” millennial
>Butterfly
>millennial
Butterfly is 46. Which is especially sad, since "her" philosophical views are what you'd expect from a 17 year-old.

>>14123444
>He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.
The Catholic Church guards the deposit of faith handed down through the apostles and their successors, and was instituted by Christ Himself.
>And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

>>14119344
>final word
You didn't disprove that anon. Atheism is an axiomatic belief.

>>14120990
It is though, the negation of religion remains itself.

>>14119233
Friendly reminder that /lit/ is a Catholic board.

>>14123695
Makes sense. No one on /lit/ reads and you wouldn't catch any self-respecting Catholic reading the Bible.

>>14123845
where did this meme of catholics not reading the bible come from

>>14119344
actually it means absence of a god

>>14120990
mark twain said man is a religious animal

>>14120336
Buddhism? Oh you mean the retarded dumbed down version of Hinduism?

>>14123852
catholics not reading the bible

Other - Mormons rise up

"protestant" is too broad.
i could get along with a lutheran. american evangelical 3rd adventist baptist 2nd denominationist doomsday cultists on the other hand...

>>14123852
I went to a Jesuit high school.
We read the Gospel of Mark my freshman year.
That was about it for reading the Bible

>>14125415
thank you for admitting you stopped reading after high school
see yourself out

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Any preordained chads here?

>>14119251
do you always just wear that silly trip and post cringe worthy shit or what? you just said something that I would have posted when I was fucking 15 lmao

Catholic here. Any others?

>>14126090
So you admit that your brain is atrophying?
Brave lad.
Atheism isn’t a religion, it is the absence of.

>>14123898
And it depressed him greatly

>>14119591
True. And that is why I'd raise my kids Catholic, even though I'm an atheist.

>>14125399
You're a protestant.

>>14126275
It is, at best, pure ideology

>>14126275
I don't understand why you behave the way you do. Why do you feel the need to carve out some faggy fucking identity in a hive of anonymous users? People hate tripfags because they try to usurp 4chan's communicative structure - everyone here is on an equal playing field from default. 4chan is a place where ideas are able to be evaluated apart from their progenitors - this is different from nearly all other popular forums on the popular internet. You could be reading something interesting from a teenager, or a fucking college professor. Anonymity is the one thing that allows people to actually communicate honestly.
I'm at a loss as to why you would constantly put a target on yourself - people shit on you all the fucking time because you're fucking stupid.

'Atheism' is of course not a religion, but it is a category. A category only a retard would argue does not belong in a poll about religion - which makes it even fucking stupider that you would say something so pedantic - and then not also include 'Agnosticism' for the identical reasons.

The very fact that there are atheistic Buddhists should indicate alone that atheism can be a facet of religion, and thus worth being categorized as an option in a poll.

How's the dilation going?

>>14126369
You guys realize that she gets off to being verbally abused, right?

>>14123387
>muh bedobriests of badican II church

>>14119251
It is, however, a completely relevant option on a survey about religious demographics, as is agnostic, being religious options if not religions themselves. A "none of the above" option is ambiguous and could easily be confused with a religion that just wasn't on the list, and if you want to say
>That's what "other" is for
Then you'd have a survey with both "none of the above" _and_ "other", and this compounds the fact neither of us have any way of knowing whether the creator of the survey considers atheism/agnosticism a religion or not.
I hate acknowledging tripfags but your posts are so consistently at twitter-who quality that it makes me think either you are constantly posting bait or your trip is not secure.

>>14126369
I think it's a compulsive habit. A lot of 4chan users have one and for some people they have to trip because they have narcissistic tendencies. Butterfly undergoes a truly ludicrous amount of abuse so she must seriously be incapable of not posting

I have had a religious depression/doubt, then epiphany.
I had a lot of problems with the standard Christian understandings of God. I cannot understand how the Trinity does not violate the oneness of God, nor do I understand why God, who is omibenevolent, creates horrible suffering on this Earth. Why God chose to come in a specific time, to a specific people, in a specific form. Why, if God loves us, we must have faith in God in a person, and I always read that the tragic beauty of Jesus' sacrifice only makes sense if he does not know he is God; that he sees what must be done, and allows it to happen. The rest of the New Testament reads to me like they are running away with what Jesus did and said.
I felt fucking awful for these thoughts and questions, until I read about Unitarianism.It hit me like a stack of bricks. I never felt comfortable aligning with any denomination until I read about their beliefs.

>>14126604
Is John a false gospel?

>>14119251
You are retarded beyond belief

>>14126757
While the Gospels are inspired by God, they are written by people, who are bound to error. There are moments in the other gospels where Jesus denies divinity (like in Luke 18:19), and we must use our God-given reason to try to work through the inconsistencies between the different Christologies depicted in the gospels.
In my opinion, Christ is the Word of God in that he, through his own power, came to understand God in a moment in linear history. He embodies a living word of God, one who perfectly understands and acts in accordance to logos. Think of it in terms of a zen 'awakening to Buddha-nature'. Christ became awakened to God. This is not denying such an understanding to anyone else, but Christ through his teachings has offered an easier route for the sake of others, to save them. When we believe and act in Christ, our sins are washed through his sacrifice, but he is only a man. We must not let the personage of Christ distract us from out love and worship of one, indivisible God.

>>14119233
Where's Jainism bro?
I'm just going with Hinduism for now.

>>14119233
what makes Catholicism superior to any other sect of Christianity? Almost seems like people are just born into it.

>>14126816
People like to larp like they are the fucking cardinals.
I sincerely doubt anyone here who ardently professes to be a catholic has seriously read anything, they just want to claim the art and music as somehow theirs.

>>14126786
What about in Matthew, when he is worshipped by both the Magi and his disciples? What about the miracle of his birth, the prophecies of his birth, and the miracles in his life? Also how does his sacrifice on the cross redeem man if he's just the most pious man to ever live? Why does he tell them to baptize in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit? If Christ is mere man why is baptism done in his name?

>>14120724
>Norms and instincts do.
>populism is the proper justification for ethics and morality
Lmao you're delusional.

>>14123302
Sexual liberation.
There. I said it.

>>14126843
"The God and Father, who holds the universe together, is superior to every being that exists, for he imparts to each one from his own existence that which each one is; the Son, being less than the Father, is superior to rational creatures alone (for he is second to the Father); the Holy Spirit is still less, and dwells within the saints alone. So that in this way the power of the Father is greater than that of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and that of the Son is more than that of the Holy Spirit" - Origen
God the Father is the one God, who is indivisible and omnipotent. The Son of God is one who understands the Father and follows his word, in this passage it references Jesus Christ who operates as a savior, but such a term also is mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4, and in Judaism the term is figurative and references those in a special relationship with God the Father.
The Holy Spirit is never defined as a separate personage in the Bible, and is often times (like in Acts 5:3-4) used indistinctly to refer to God the Father. The Holy Spirit can be better understood as inspired wisdom that is a Gift from God the Father, which makes better sense of the fact that it is depicted as coming upon people, as filling them, and as flowing out of them. If the Trinity were true, and all three 'persons' were God, lines like Matt 12:32, which is repeated in Mark (3:28-29) and Luke (12:10). Those who reject the holy wisdom of the Lord cannot be forgive for they have cast themselves into self-imposed ignorance.

>>14126893
lines like Matt 12:32, which is repeated in Mark (3:28-29) and Luke (12:10) would make no sense*

>>14119233
People who vote for answers other than “Jewish” are just dishonest /pol/acts lying to themselves

>>14123444
There’s nothing wrong with just being a Christian. I don’t even know what I’d call myself.
Denomination is somewhat unimportant and is really just a label.

Fucks sake guys. If you want to help people find God you should be kind and patient toward them. It saddens me seeing you all abuse some old woman, that’s not going to change her mind

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>14119337

Sarva Mangalam, brother

>>14124057
this might be one of the most low IQ posts I've seen, which is REALLY saying something

>>14119233
people accidentally clicked hindu instead of European pagan.... oh well, good to see Christians so high

Over a third of this board is Christian.

Absolutely and positive based and christpilled.

>>14120671
Allah is God. Cringe as fuck take

>>14119251
I agree.

>>14126786
>>14126893
Is this adoptionism?

>>14119337
Just got back from spending time with /ourmonk/ at a monastery in Cali, for the Kathina fest.

this board confirmed pseudointellectual

>>14120298
LOL

i'm a weak atheist but i have strong affection for christianity

>557 votes
>79 posters

>>14120724
Are you old enough to be on here..?

>>14119233
Pantheism

>>14129048
Same, i can't suspend my disbelief and be a Christian again but I wish I could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6bgoiVPXy0

>>14119233
>What religion are you?
>Atheist

lol, I guess Eliade was right

>>14129151
meant for >>14129148

>>14129148
your disbelief stems from the root of considering only rational /dianoia-type logicality is "you"

that is part of you, not your entire self.

pray don't expect results and live what happens

>>14129048
Glad to know there are others. Was raised Catholic and while I know that there's a lot wrong with modern Christianity, the call to a dangerous, self-sacrificial heroic existence in the gospels is based. I hate the church but am very fond of Jesus' philosophy if that makes sense.

>>14126820
Sick cope bro!!!
A warm greetings to all my Catholic friends on this board, and all other men of good will that populate this sad corner of the internet.

Are the Hindis, Buddhists, and Taoists actually Asians and if not, how did you convert to these religions? Do you actually go to the appropriate temples or are you just a LARPer?

>>14129159
the only "you" is am is is when you reply to this post

>>14126820
I find it especially amusing how many of them pretend that being a genuine Christian and being a smug caustic racist are somehow compatible beliefs.

>>14128751
>those feet

Laudem Dei!