/lit/ - Literature

Whitehead I think

>>14066244
Infp and intp basically break down into each other at a certain point

me :)

>>14066244
The MBTI is trash. Intuition is not opposed to sensation. Feeling is not opposed to thinking. The best philosophers know this.

>>14066281
thats what the jungian/subtype shit's for. anyway all personality tests are an approximation--that humans distribute relatively evenly across its results range speaks to MBTI's fitness.

Also recommend books pls, last time someone recommended Franny and Zooey which I quite like

>>14066293
It can be an approximation for relatively even distributions but that doesn't make the MBTI not-shit. Personality tests suck across the board, just like political quizzes, because the people who make them don't care about minutiae but rather sweeping, and presumptive, generalizations.

Camus
Kierkegaard
Rousseau
Augustine
Erich Fromm
Albert Schweitzer
Kafka

no, there aren't. what are you gonna do, cry about it u little pussy ass infp bitch?

>>14066309
St. augustine was an E for sure, wtf.

>>14066301
How can you do what you propose and be scientific? Reductionism and generalisations is necessary for any kind of knowledge and of course it makes it not as precise but it makes it better than chance or nothing at all. If you are so smart about knowing how those people suck at making them then make your own and become known around the world. What is this minutiae you speak of and how the fuck are you going to create the test and interpret it.

Reminder that xNFx types make the best philosophers and authors.

Cioran
Montaigne
Whitehead
Blanchot

Do INFP males have any hope of ever finding their ideal woman?

>>14066395
I cuddle my pillow when I sleep and pretend its my gf

>>14066366
>How will you be scientific
I'm not trying to be scientific. I want a test that I'm satisfied with when I take it. I'm also not saying it's not scientific to make sweeping generalizations in the construction of these tests. That's how you collect data in the simplest way which is still generally useful. But when I or someone wants to take the MBTI, we're not the ones gathering the data. You make the mistake of confusing two things: satisfaction criteria to the data-gatherer, who has one aim in mind, and satisfaction criteria to the test-taker (me), who wants something else. People always act like critics should shut up unless they can make something better, that's a major brainlet take.

I can only conceive of vulvae as desirable if belonging to an INFP or ENFP.

>>14066310
Based and enfp pilled

>>14066250
don't ever compare me to a feeler

>>14066395
What is your ideal woman

>>14066337
Source?

>>14066646
You sound like a feeler

>he forgets about the most revolutionary, genius, creative, intelligence, charismatic, extrovertedly confident philosopher type
>Socrates

T. Entp masterrace

If you think we're egoists it's just our presentation. As has their ever been a man who was a greater altruist than Socrates?

>>14066395
INFPs do not really have trouble finding partners but love to pretend that they do.

>>14066244
I am but my feels are only a little more than thinks in this test.
>>14066250
I feel like that sometimes, but I'm sure some are devoid of feelings. see>>>>>14066646
>>14066281
maybe right
>>14066395
I had one for 3 months and she left me for a guy that I despise. There is no hope for us.
>>14066402
pathetic

>>14067102
>there is no hope for us
What about INFJs like me? Maybe the Judging function would help us hold down a girl better?

I’m kind of envious of INFPs anyway. It seems like they’re more in touch with their feels rather than being in conflict with them.

Any based /gemini/ ITT?

>>14066402
Based

>>14067136
>What about INFJs like me?
Probably will be good, just have social life.
>I’m kind of envious of INFPs anyway. It seems like they’re more in touch with their feels rather than being in conflict with them.
Not me at all but maybe i am fucked up example.

>he forgets about the most revolutionary, genius, creative, intelligence, charismatic, extrovertedly confident philosopher type
>Socrates

T. Entp masterrace

If you think we're egoists it's just our presentation. As has their ever been a man who was a greater altruist than Socrates?

Why is it us ENTPs struggle with understanding our own emotions so much? I used to think I did, and was total master over them but now I don't what feels I feel.

And another question, how does an ENTP form any coherent sense of identity and self worth apart from constant outside stimuli? It seems I can only exist as a static concept when in the highest hyper-conceptualisation of movement I can be in as an ENTP. All these genius abstract ideas and none of them help unless they are 'lived' in actual rather than only known in thought, but of course the actual must be judged by thought prior it remains the dominant direction - guess that's the extroverted part.

>>14067207
have sex

>>14067236
A jealous smoothbrain it seems.

Funny how I had sex yesterday, and that I can actually be charismatic with women, not that it's necessary considering my height and good looks though. Oh what's that? Yes, that's right... nothing.

>>14067276
good one

>>14066250
last time I had an infp, now I have an intp, is this the borderline or something?

>>14067305
Oh what's that? Yes, that's right... nothing.

>>14067170
>just have a social life
I figured that this was the problem. One of my ISFP friends who's a complete autist managed to get laid by going out a lot, so I'll probably try it too when I have the time.

As for why I like INFP's more specifically, I think it's because their emotional nature and idealism is beautiful. Shakespeare and Melville were INFPs, so there's clearly something in them that's capable of creating great beauty. I think as an INFJ, I'm too self-aware to have an emotional outpouring like that, hence why I'm envious.

>>14067207
You might be ENFP. I originally thought I was INTJ. I also don't think seeking validation from others is exclusively an Extrovert thing. I want to be liked by other people, but the thing that makes me an introvert is the fact that I find being around people for long periods of time is exhausting.

>>14067207
ENTP here. My sense of self-identity is consistent and coherent informed and grounded by the people I've chosen in the establishment of close, personal attachments/commitments. I do not see this is particularly different from anyone else, honestly, and to lack these attachments/commitments is to float about a shallow cesspit of superficiality. Your post reads like humble brag-tier shit, though, and I suspect you don't actually give a shit, except the extent to which you can spin this into some self-glorifying claptrap about how you're super duper awesome. Faggot.

>>14067346
ok faggot, so what is your problem?

>>14067207
No, that’s just you.

>>14067376
>I can’t understand myself and I don’t know how to think for myself
>humblebrag

>>14066395
supposedly ENTJ is the best match for INFP, and female ENTJs are basically nonexistent

>>14066244
Philosophy, by its nature, is a INTX discipline. For philosophy, you need the intuition to effectively produce and consider new ideas, and you need the thinking function to rigorously examine those ideas. The introversion helps since these reflections are best suited to solitude, though there were some few extroverted philosophers (Socrates being ENTP and Aristotle possibly ENTJ). If a philosopher doesn't have a strong thinking function he is going to struggle with the complicated logic of arguments.

>>14067375
>You might be ENFP.
I actually tested as an ENFP once but the other 7 times I got Entp. Still shouldn't an Enfp know how they're feeling at least? Besides I act too much like an Entp, I think too much like an Entp, Enfps aren't as charismatic and lack the same mentality and interests.

Though much of the mbti type does slide back and forth and the ti/fe is probably one of the looser areas. Since I do have very high developed Fe even at a very young age, but also the Ti to choose the right wording and all that so definitely Entp. We want social validation for our ego and pride but don't actually care what others say and instantly place our own value above others so it's somewhat of a contradiction.

Odysseus' pride and all that.

>>14067407
Not understanding yourself used as the premise for this conclusion, "I can only exist as a static concept when in the highest hyper-conceptualisation of movement I can be in as an ENTP," is a humblebrag, yes.

>an ostensibly modest or self-deprecating statement whose actual purpose is to draw attention to something of which one is proud.

Retard.

>>14067375
I was crying a lot because world is so sad and bad place and I tryed to be good to peopel, to homeless and broke one, and to everyone actually. But now I know peopel like me dont belong here. You dont deserve us. Now I dont cry anymore and want to see world burning.

>>14067376
Hey fuck you faggot just because you don't want to own up to the fact that you have low test levels and have to depend on others because of it isn't my point.

>hurr durr "I have trouble with my own identity and emotion" is a boast
It shews your own instinctual mentality.

>>14067380
You.

>>14067400
Sure.

I'm just too intelligent for you lesser beings to understand.

>>14067444
Identity by definition is the mediation point between the self and the group, you fucking spastic. Please, tell me more about your precise use of language, you wannabe ENTP loser.

>>14067413
>female ENTJs are basically nonexistent
They exist but are insufferable cunts.

>>14067466
>doesn't understand the difference between contrast(or abstract dependence) and then actual individual dependence upon another
Fucks sake you really are stupid aren't you? I shouldn't have to explain these temporary terms to explain what you should of just played out in your head as an argument anyway.

>>14067471
So what are the chances of my Infp brother marrying?

who takes this infp infj etc bullsht seriously?

the more you read from this board the more you realise that most people here are probably <20yr old brainlets

>>14067493
It's basically astrology for dudes.

>>14067493
not me because i'm an entp teehee

>>14067484
>should of
Your responses show the whinging emotionalism of heavy Fi, not the intellectualizing discourse style of Ti. Neck yourself, wannabe.

>>14067444
>I'm just too intelligent for you lesser beings to understand.
As an INFP I dont fall for you anymore because I had my own problems. Have a good life, I hope your suffering will end while dying.

>>14067484
>So what are the chances of my Infp brother marrying?
It depends on how much your brother is sexually and romantically desirable. The MBTI functions, by themselves, only affect a limited part of a person's life.

>>14067498
but i'm a <20yr old big brain

>>14067505
how many fedoras do you own?

>>14067505
>imagine thinking word combination and creation isn't Ne
Starting to think that heavy offence is a bit of projection. Perhaps you're an Intp autist. I know an Intp friend who has ADD so comes across a bit Entp sometimes.

>>14067513
>As an INFP I dont fall for you anymore because I had my own problems. Have a good life, I hope your suffering will end while dying.
It was a joke anon, do you guys really take things that personal? Well good luck with that continual existential dread. And that was genuine.

>>14067516
Well yea, he's pretty good looking as are all of my family since my Dad was a chad in his youth and has a jaw wider than his head (of which I am the only inheritor out of my brothers). All blonde haired and blue eyed btw. With me being 6 ft 4 (and the best looking of the trio and that's not boasting - even when I was an autist in high school I found the school cheerleaders rubbing my shoulder out the front of class randomly) and them being 5 ft 11.

So lets just say his only problem within the romantic quarter would be his extreme introversion and letting someone in.

>>14067535
Zero. The picture of Siegfried was grandiose, the humblebrag similarly worded in grandiose terms. There has been no attempt to deal with the content of what I have conveyed to you - just very generic insults of lowtest, fedora. You are not interested in whether you're right or wrong. You're interested in winning or losing. You're a self-glorifying self-absorbed whinging emotional Fi-baby. Typing "should of" instead of "should have" was beyond the pale. You're an absolute fucking retard.

>>14067535
in all hhonesty 2, but i only bought them because i thought thei looked cool.

>>14067554
>It was a joke anon, do you guys really take things that personal? Well good luck with that continual existential dread. And that was genuine.
Maybe i am joking too, maybe i just really don't like jokes or have no sense of humor.

>>14067440
It's exactly that purity of heart that I admire. That desire to be kind to everyone is exactly why
I look up to and feel protective of INFPs-- They're champions of the human spirit. Don't lose heart, anon. There are people out there who will appreciate you for who you for who you are. The reason the people are so hard to find is because they're hiding their true selves out of fear that the world will judge them for it.

>>14067555
except that was the first time i replied to you retard

>>14067554
>So lets just say his only problem within the romantic quarter would be his extreme introversion and letting someone in.
If it's extreme enough, then his chances could be close to zero. I'm sorry.

>>14067554
>Well yea, he's pretty good looking as are all of my family since my Dad was a chad in his youth and has a jaw wider than his head (of which I am the only inheritor out of my brothers). All blonde haired and blue eyed btw. With me being 6 ft 4 (and the best looking of the trio and that's not boasting - even when I was an autist in high school I found the school cheerleaders rubbing my shoulder out the front of class randomly) and them being 5 ft 11.
hahaha oh boi you are insecure as fuck you need to talk about your brother to talk about yourself

>>14067599
He might be insecure, but what does your need to comment on his boasts signify, if not more insecurity?

>>14067554
The picture of Siegfried was grandiose, the humblebrag similarly worded in grandiose terms. There has been no attempt to deal with the content of what I have conveyed to you - just very generic insults of lowtest, fedora. You are not interested in whether you're right or wrong. You're interested in winning or losing. You're a self-glorifying self-absorbed whinging emotional Fi-baby. Typing "should of" instead of "should have" was beyond the pale. You're an absolute fucking retard.

All further demonstrated by this:
>Well yea, he's pretty good looking as are all of my family since my Dad was a chad in his youth and has a jaw wider than his head (of which I am the only inheritor out of my brothers). All blonde haired and blue eyed btw. With me being 6 ft 4 (and the best looking of the trio and that's not boasting - even when I was an autist in high school I found the school cheerleaders rubbing my shoulder out the front of class randomly) and them being 5 ft 11.

>>14067572
>Maybe i am joking too, maybe i just really don't like jokes or have no sense of humor.
Oh haha, aight then mate. Have a good one.

>>14067586
I'm an Entp and show compassion to all those who suffer unnecessarily. I'm also an idealist but am just capable of both worlds.

>>14067591
Pic related.

>>14067599
>hahaha oh boi you are insecure as fuck you need to talk about your brother to talk about yourself
Was Odysseus insecure? But none the less he stated his name for social praise at the cost of his rational foresight in seeing that the troll would curse him. Entps aren't actually insecure, we just place value in ego rubs, even though funnily enough we don't actually care about what others think and innately think of ourselves more valuable.

Just an idiosyncrasy I suppose.

>>14067586
I don't fall for it again, we all deserve to suffer, but not everyone feels it. I want everyone to feels it now, I want justice. I probably will burn in hell for it but i will not forgive humankind.

>>14067613
>The picture of Siegfried was grandiose, the humblebrag similarly worded in grandiose terms.
What no I just like Wagners ring and Siegfried was an Entp.

>fedora
I actually wasn't the one that said that, but the guy did have a point. You simply pulled me up on my use of words, which is a pretty fedora thing to do anon. So you yourself have become a hypocrite in not dealing with the content I had.

>You're interested in winning or losing
Incorrect, I'm interested in being right or wrong but I don't care if a random anon thinks either, however I do care about winning over a random anon. Same thing goes for most contexts of you being someone I don't respect (and I mean don't know).

>You're a self-glorifying self-absorbed whinging emotional Fi-baby. Typing "should of" instead of "should have" was beyond the pale. You're an absolute fucking retard.
Anon I don't think you understand what an emotion is in the specific Jungian sense. You are simply a hypocrite suffering his own projections upon my good self. And then attacking that which - and I assure you there is plenty - you do not like about yourself.

However you seem to forget eccentricity is nature to the Entp, surely that isn't Fi as you seem to claim but a product of the Ne/Ti? As is my use of words. You continue to think my using of "should of" was produced under a rational and unique conclusion.

>>14067611
I don't have to look for appreciation on japanise imageboard

>>14067615
>Just an idiosyncrasy I suppose.
I see you are young. Just as a word of caution, try to restrain from commenting positively on yourself, especially in real life. Imitate Socrates. Or your life will be ten times harder. It is more of an idiocy than idiosyncrasy

>>14067654
There is very likely samefagging, comparisons of loser bullshit on 4chan with Seigfried and Odysseus, bad use of grammar and puncutation, and shallow self absorbed pontificating. You're an embarrassment of a human, honestly, and you should be ashamed of every post you've made in this thread, you disgusting pathetic loser..

>>14067154
I was lurking but here I am.

>>14067659
You're right anon, my good looks and genius makes lesser people feel inferior. And I should not cause unnecessary suffering.

>>14067688
Alright, alright, alright, but be honest; you're just jealous of my superior philosophical understanding aren't you?

>>14067184
>greater autist than
ftfy

>>14066820
I don't know, I just know everyone fails my high expectations

>>14067719
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHS I'M LAUGHING SO MUCH HAHSAHAHAHAHAHAHASHAHSGAGAAAASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>14067711
if you think your "good looks" and "genius" make you better than other people you have issues.
i hope you are just larping here.

>>14067098
I do though. What are you talking about?

>>14067711
>You're right anon, my good looks and genius makes lesser people feel inferior.
Not only that, but it also annoys those who are equal or superior to you, but are silent. They exist even if you don't notice them.

>>14067731
>implying the traits of good looking and genius which are defined as being superior to the average don't make their bearer superior to the average
pseud

>>14067739
>They exist even if you don't notice them.
Trust me, they don't exist anywhere near myself.

>>14067751
>Trust me, they don't exist anywhere near myself.
And this is where your idiocy lies. I hope you realize it before it is too late.

>>14067731
i started out as serious but ive had to turn it into a troll because i cant deal with the insults tbqh

>>14067768
How do you know it is wrong anon? You certainly cannot experience my experience.

>>14067339
Same here, I think we're either feelers with a well developed thinking stack or thinkers that have learned to be more in touch with their emotions.

I got infp 56 feeling/44 thinking

>>14067800
or you could use that information to realise how stupid the fucking test is and that it is fairly useless

>>14067784
she doesnt know

>>14067784
I know, because you lack wisdom. You just wasted your time arguing with a seething, weak, INFP, in defense of your superiority. What did that accomplish? And supposing that I'm wrong, it is wise to think people superior or equal to you might exist, and always be looking for them. You don't want to be caught unguarded.

>>14066309
Kierkegaard was an extrovert, dude slayed young danish pussy and liked to party.

>>14066244
Origen

>>14067784
because it doesn't take a genius to see all the faults in the MBTI personality test

>>14067851
he was chased around copenhagen by youth yelling EITHER/OR and dumped his fiancee (of FOUR YEARS) because he couldnt make his life work

>>14067812
Oh I know. Mbti is basically just astrology for pseuds. Not to mention how often people answer how they'd like to be rather than how they are. I'm just trying to parse through the rationale of the test with a grain of salt.

>>14067869
You are right, it doesn't take a genius to see the faults in MBTI, but it seems only a genius can see the value of Jungian types, which MBTI distorts and bastardizes.

>tfw ENTJ
>tfw great job with great experience
>tfw got a good enough score on LSAT to get into ivy league law
>tfw /fit/
>tfw cool hobbies
>tfw plenty of friends who I do stuff with regularly
>tfw great at cultivating professional relationships and making new friends
>tfw 23 yo virgin
One day when I'm important society will have wished they gave people like me gfs

>>14067814
>she

>>14067837
I never said that they don't exist, only that they are not common.

>>14067869
>implying I don't just take on the Entp (I did test as one) persona for shits and giggles

>>14067898
>I never said that they don't exist, only that they are not common.
You said "they don't exist anywhere near" you, which is a foolish statement. You can never be certain. But I don't wish to argue with you. I hope the best happens to those who deserve it.

>>14067891
Mbti butchered and standardized jung's genius so employers could discreetly discrimate by personality type. Now pseuds use it like it's some sort of worldview.

Today I will remind them.

>>14067875
He dumped her because he realized if he committed then he could no longer be as free spirited. Whether he married her or not hed regret it.

>>14067937
Sadly, yes. And even more, Jordan Peterson popularized Jung to neets and laymen, and you now see exactly the people talk about Jung who shouldn't have heard of him.

>>14067207
>>14067376

1. Stop ignoring Ni. (the virgin 4 function model vs. the chad 8 function model etc.)
2. Become transautistic by turning Ti onto itself, discover Dialectic.

>>14067895
And with all of that false value he still can't get GFs like Entp. For we are philosophers, and truth lovers, who desire only this and this in itself. The Good in itself.

>>14067931
Anon you're getting caught on particularity's but so be it. Be well.

>>14067937
This is what I have always said.

>>14067989
Yeah, the people that justify their flaws and unhealthy behavious by blaming a personality type. I honestly think mbti does more damage to introverted intuitives than it helps. Extroverted sensing types would do well to read up on jung though.

>>14067944
>>14068019
ok, so now i will only see what's next, please entertain me superduper wise people

>>14068019
Interesting post. Can you elaborate? For context, I am this poster >>14068019

>>14068019
>1. Stop ignoring Ni. (the virgin 4 function model vs. the chad 8 function model etc.)
>2. Become transautistic by turning Ti onto itself, discover Dialectic.
I already do both of these things though it's difficult to integrate unconscious content at such an early age. Also do you know that the Ne has its own dialectic which often comes as a day dream but if intuitively harnessed and directed it gives one the greatest knowledge possible beyond the Ti(though that helps). Like a vision.

>>14068039
>Anon you're getting caught on particularity's
What happened to that precision of thought and language that ENTPs are known for? Socrates and Kant would be ashamed.

>>14068019
Interesting post. Can you elaborate? For context, I am this poster >>14067376

>>14067030
Start with the Confessions

>>14068049
You are correct. I'm curious, how do you think introverted intuitives could improve?

>>14068090
Not that anon but I don't have an E and Confessions is so much me. I had the same thoughts a lot before reading it.

>>14067944
Any more of these? t. LII

>>14068118
By recognizing that not all of their negative behaviors are just inevitabilities and intrinsic to who they are. I'm an infp(allegedly) so this is something I struggle with as well.. I remember reading about jung and mbti, I would use my type as an excuse to alienate myself and be lazy. Thoughts like, "I'm working on my own creative endeavors so I don't need to apply myself in other areas" and "I don't need to socialize and perform for other people, it's not authentic to who I am." were pretty common.

>>14068077
Isn't there a saying about making a rzor out of a rock? Some endeavours are quite practically useless let alone possible.

And Kant, an Entp? Not so sure about that but hey I'll take that.

>>14068159
You are absolutely correct. I'm probably INTJ according to MBTI, and I agree and emphasize with all you said, though I still can't be bothered to socialize or do menial works.

>>14068156

No. Will probably make a Chad vs. Chad one with IEI and ILI, like "irreconcilable Fe-Fi differences just make them laugh" and "know they will see each other in the Aeon".

>>14068184
Menial work, or even basic upkeep are things I struggle with. Both things that sensing types excel at, so I always tend to clash with them

>>14066244
>INTJ
>23
>not a virgin

I wonder how rare this is

>>14068198
Well the one you posted is great anon and I really hope you make more :)

>>14068019
what is this Ni and Ti stuff?

>>14068079

Identity as emergent from or relative to a group could just as well be ultimately selfish in the "negative" way, in total participation the individual is totally insulated by the role and becomes not only unreachable but invisible too.

>>14068203
I will confess. I sometimes imagine a world where sensors are required to do what they're best at (e.g., cooking food for us and keeping our surroundings clean), so that we superior intuitives could focus on our creative pursuits. But then I remember I have things to do and snap out of it.

>>14068264
Identity is emergent relative to the group in an organic sense of interactions with people bringing forth the inner characteristics dialectically. This means awareness of the characteristics increases in a nurturing environment and their incorporation is personally and socially beneficial. What method of individuation are you recommending as an alternative?

>>14068216
And how did you do this?

>>14068322

Theology, unironically.

>>14068306
That's the type of subtle arrogance I think mbti introduces to our types. It makes us think that we're all intellectuals and that our flaws are justified.

>>14068380
More specific? The bulk of theological traditions are community oriented in precisely the way I described. I've asked for elaborations, and honestly, what I'm receiving are vague responses. Why are you all such bullshit performative quacks and poseurs?

>>14068306
On the other side of the coin though. Sensors excuse theirs flaws because they think they're more capable and responsible.

>>14068392
it simplifies people, fuels self fulfilling prophecy, justify's deficiencies in peoples behavior, and encourages a discrete way of thinking.

there is nothing good about mbti

>>14068392
>>14068392
Frankly, I still felt that way before learning about MBTI. Your point is valid, that in the current world those are our flaws. But in a world like the one I described, where everyone does what they are best suited to do, wouldn't there be perfect harmony? In ancient Greece, for instance, do you think Plato and the others had menial works to do? They had servants for that.

>>14068411

Theology as in knowing, or not knowing, God yourself.

>>14066281
>Material is the same as immaterial
>Selfishness is the same as selflessness

ok i found out what this Ni Ti and ILI LII stuff is about and i am impressed, but still if you just try to explain something to in your eyes less intelligent people maybe it make them more inteligent or something, are you afreid of it? after all knowledge is what makes peopel powerfull.

>>14068431
I think sensors that see introverted intuitives as incapable losers could benefit from learning about it. The types that are naturally predisposed to intellectual arrogance should stay away from it.

>>14066281
They're opposed to each in so much as you can prioritize one over the other in decision making.

>>14068452
I think they was doing stuff actually, I don't know but think it's healthy to do things

>>14068452
That sounds more like brave new world than ancient greece. Society naturally filters people towards what they're best suited for. Having said that, there will always be people who fall through the cracks. I think it's a shame that infps are the lowest earning type, so I sympathise with where you're coming from.

>>14068455
I've repeatedly asked for an elaboration on precisely how that may be accomplished since knowing god within, god within all, is what is accomplished through individuation in the community. You do not have a method, do you? Dude just know god yourself lmfao performative monkey.

Any Introverted/Intuitive type as a male in 2019 is fucking terrible because of our disjointed dating market. Of the far the worst is INTP (approaches 0% chance of relationship success), followed by INFP (can make it but everyone will think you're gay), followed by INFJ (so close to ultra Chad ENFJ type, but so far) followed by INTJ (can actually be successful enough early in life to attract a woman, albeit is cursed to beta bux status). Not being extroverted basically makes you a genetic dead end unless you have notable talents to woe women or are notably attractive. Being highly intelligent and analytical also help to further alienate us. Mean while low inhibition smooth brains are sweeping up. Fuck this gay Earth, unironically.

>>14068485
>I don't know but think it's healthy to do things
But aren't creative pursuits also "things to do?"
>>14068486
That's why I think Brave New World is actually a good system, and why I empathize with Plato's ideal city and Nietzsche's rants about loss of rank and aristocracy in the modern world.
But unfortunately things are as they are and we should adapt.

>>14068511
The traits needed to innovate and create weren't what primates needed to breed. Strength and high testosterone were all they required. It's a shame, but it's evolution. All we can do is try to make more money, create a legacy and try to find happiness in alternative ways. I also think blaming your situation on a flawed personality test is a pretty brainless way to go about it.

>>14067989
Jung himself is basically peak Pseud. Barely better than Freud.

>>14068511
I agree that it's very bad for those types, but aren't INTJs and INTPs actually alphas in their characters? Intelligence and being analytical also means higher potential to earn wealth. Isn't that (wealth, not intelligence itself) also attractive to women?

>>14068548
All psychologists are pseuds, Jung is one of the least-psuedy

>>14068511
this is the cancerous type of thinking that mbti promotes. how about you try and improve yourself every day rather than wallowing in self pity of an arbitrary psuedo science measuring stick.

>>14068520
The problem with brave new world is that it creates a dichotomy on human worth. Something I'll never get behind, no matter how much more efficient it is.

>>14068552
women who are attractive to wealth are not attractive themself
and not all people are motivated to be wealthy

>>14068494

This is getting a bit syllogistic, any one thing found in any other does not necessarily make it born of that thing, maintained by that thing, for that thing, etc.

>>14068552
>>14068568
The problem with wealth is gold diggers. You have to make sure the women you're attracting are themselves attracted to your features that help you acquire wealth and not your wealth itself.

>>14068552
Intjs maybe, the problem with intps is they have no social game unless they're being completely silly and frivolous. Women don't respond to cold and ineffectual men. They also have no ability to dress or take care of themselves, one of the key things women look for is security.

>>14066244
Kierkegaard is who you're looking for OP.

Do ENTJs slay pussy?

>>14068511
I feel you but don't worry and pic real

>>14068306
Just get a nice sensor wife anon. ISFJ girls are basically made for that.
>>14068203
I don't mind some menial work myself as an INFJ. It's good to stay in shape and brings in good money. Much better than working as a barista or something and women are impressed by a man who's a little handy. 2 things make menial work infinitely more bearable: working with good people and listening to music, podcasts or ebooks. Line up both and you're set. Working with shitty people in a shit job is fucking atrocious, I've been bullied and ostracized on construction sites before and it's fucking horrid, but then this summer doing almost the exact same kind of work I had a blast. The difference? I was renovating a friends winery with an ultra chill farmer guy. Also in regards to listening things only do it when you're doing repetitive tasks alone. When you're doing something new or working with somebody it's much better to go without so you can maintain focus and not be rude to your work mate.

>>14068559
I don't think it's about worth. Ultimately all criteria for judging worth are arbitrary and subjective, but it's about the ability to do things. All things considered, introverted intuitive people start from a disadvantaged place in the current world. If they were living in a world like BNW, life would have been much better for them.

>>14068597
I agree, I can't get any chores or work done unless I'm multitasking with an audiobook or music. Otherwise I just feel like I'm wasting my time.

Socionics it's far better than MBTI, in fact, socionics is the perfect form of psychoanalytic typology

>>14068570
I do not know what you mean to convey by describing this interaction as getting a bit syllogistic. You've failed to provide any alternative method of individuation/knowing god. My assessment of you right now is you presented a pretense of wisdom you do not actually possess. I wish you would elaborate on the things suggested, but your evasion suggests inability.

>>14068578
spoken like someone who is actually literally 100iq
you really think some test is defining and grouping people in ways that easily, that can define what you can and cannot do?

>be INTJ
>read thread
>Intjs are seen as autistic betas
>most of those are 5w6

Gosh, it feels good being an alpha 1w9 INTJ

>>14068599
True, but the majority of people are sensors so you'd just be making the majority even more disadvantaged. Perhaps innovation would occur faster with intuitives at the the top, but I'm unsure if it's a morally sound argument.

>>14068630
I don't believe in mbti, I'm just saying what the tests claim.

>>14068638
personality tests are a feather above astrology

>>14068630
Humans aren't as interesting and complex as you think they are.

>>14068552
Intelligence is attractive only in so far as you're like 2 IQ points higher than her. If there's a massive gap it'll be lost on her and she'll think you're just autistic. Women respect wealth, but less than some people seem to think. It's only one aspect of many that attracts a woman. If a girl is with a man for his money but isn't attracted to him in any way she won't respect him, they'll have a shitty, sexless relationship and then probably divorce after 10 years. Such is the path of beta-bux.
>>14068596
Jews made Tinder so actually that's big tru.
>>14068558
You might as well say self knowledge is cancerous because if you acknowledge your own character flaws you'll fall into despair. That's silly. If you better understand yourself you can work on your faults. Introversion and intelligence are not at all MBTI-exclusive concepts anyways.

so what am i?
doesn't this just show how stupid the test is as someone 99% T is defined the same as someone 51% T?
seems like a glaring defect among many that i see in this shit

>>14068651
I know, I'm the same poster as this 14067937

>>14068665
Most probably ILI-Ni (INTJ)

>>14068631
Can confirm 5w6 are big betas.
t. 5w6

>>14068656
complex? maybe not.
i would wager that they are not capable of being discretely defined tho
>>14068661
>You might as well say self knowledge
you don't need a test to know your flaws if you are capable of any self inspection and aren't a 16 year old who justifies all the retarded stuff he does and doesn't

https://www.sociotype.com/tests/#&ui-state=dialog

Find your real cognitive processing

>>14068661
Personalities are gradient, at least the test gives you the percentages. You could've just answered as the idealised version of yourself so it's flawed in that way as well.

>>14068627

Something being found in a community does not mean the community has any input in making and maintaining it. Cars are not made by the roads, for example.

>>14068627
not that anon, but you tried talk to Him or something? i am sure He will show you if you trully want

>>14068694
I've asked for your alternative, and whether or not god is found within the community or wherever god is found is, actually, irrelevant to the specific question I am asking, which you are apparently pathologically averse to answering.

>>14068709

I think such a pedestrian categorical confusion is very relevant since you wouldn't even be asking the question had you not been bogged down in it. The premise to which you demand an "alternative" is absurd.

>>14068754
>the question how one may know god/how one may individuate outside the context of specific community/religious tradition is absurd
I am willing to suspend what I have said utterly as completely wrong, but you have not provided an alternative. You aren't actually saying anything. Your position is saying knowing god thrrough the community is bad, not an assertion of how one may know god. You're a fucking poseur retard.

>>14068633
But just as BNW, there are different levels of sensors. The lowest level, the proles, are already disadvantaged. The more intelligent sensors and less intuitive intuitives would remain where they are. The difference in that system is that it recognizes and utilizes introverted intuitives' strength.

>>14068770

I said it's wrong to think of community as having any baring on Theology merely because Theology can be found in a community.

>>14068684
>you don't need a test to know your flaws if you are capable of any self inspection and aren't a 16 year old who justifies all the retarded stuff he does and doesn't
Most people are atrociously bad at introspection, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that includes you.

>>14067851
i don't understand how being an introvert means you can't slay young danish pussy or enjoy parties lol

>>14068815
if anything, introspection is my best trait

>>14068806
Theology is the conveyance of other people's experiences of god. In most religious traditions, this conveyance is community oriented, a shared experience, which is fundamental. It seems very probable you wish to divorce this very important aspect to religious experience from it --actually, in my view, the centre of religious life-- from it because you're too much of a shy shut-in incel to go to church and interact with people/you have no friends through whom you may accomplish your own individuation. Anon, sitting in your room reading Guenon or Evola is NOT a religious experience.

>>14068847
Necessarily, being brain fucked from birth onward is.

>>14068597
>Just get a nice sensor wife anon.
If only it were so easy.
>>14068661
>Intelligence is attractive only in so far as you're like 2 IQ points higher than her. If there's a massive gap it'll be lost on her and she'll think you're just autistic. Women respect wealth, but less than some people seem to think. It's only one aspect of many that attracts a woman. If a girl is with a man for his money but isn't attracted to him in any way she won't respect him, they'll have a shitty, sexless relationship and then probably divorce after 10 years. Such is the path of beta-bux.
Wealth is a form of power, which seems to attract women. The question is, how unattractive do women found the autistic side of high intelligence?

>>14068597
>just get a nice sensor wife
An Intuitive going with a sensor? That's asking for trouble.

The majority of my friends are sensors, but I'd never want to live with them for that exact reason, since you can only converse with them so much before you run out of common ground. Part of the reason I'm able to put up with these friends as an INFJ is that they're fine with me disappearing for months at a time and understand that I have my interests, while they have theirs. If you had a wife like that, it wouldn't be much of a relationship.

>>14066244
I'm surprised how many of you put stock in MBTI despite its lack of scientific backing. I guess it's like those buzz feed quizzes where you see what fictional character you are, not particularly useful but a fun distraction to guess what characters your friends are.

>>14069529
>despite its lack of scientific backing

>>14068574
I don't think that would be hard. If the woman is constantly asking you to spend money on her, then she's a gold digger. If she treats you like a normal love interest, then she's not. Isn't that as easy as this?
>>14068578
Honestly the INTPs that I've interacted with were well groomed, well dressed, talented, accomplished, and witty (when I got to know them). Granted, they could have been exceptions to the rule, but I think it's more likely that you're blaming your personal problems on your MBTI type.

>>14069529
The big five model, which supposedly has "scientific backing," is just a repackaging of Jungian types.

>>14068631
You made me take that test, and apparently 1w5 is chad as well. So now we know that 6 is the problem

>>14068631
>>14069563
5w4 is the superior race.

>>14069573
Sure, if you are - dare I say it - a female

>>14069547
it is easier than that, personally i can just tell by looking at someone and it is obvious in the majority of cases

>>14066293
>>14066301
>largely uncorrelated with workplace success
>used by most business schools and private industry
Fuck the MBTI. Big 5 is objectively better and yields significantly more useful predictions in psychology and economics.
The reason the MBTI is shit is because it assigns people into strict categories, rarher than giving them a score. If you answer 51% introverted and 49% extraverted, you get the same ranking as someone who answers 99% intorverted and 1% extraverted. The Big 5 and its free version, the IPIP, actually give people a score based on the percentage of questions answered a certain way.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/IPIP/ipipneo300.htm

>>14069573
is intp 5w4 pure autist?

>>14069580
What does it have to do with being a female? Female 5w4s probably don't even exist.

>>14069591
I would like to know how 5w4 intjs and intps would be different.

>>14069592
4 is basically a gemini

>>14069591
more like pure schizoid

>>14067407
Oh I didn’t read all of his bullshit when I posted that.
Yeah, if you can’t form your own opinions then you aren’t a very bright person.

Don’t call me a retard, retard.

>>14067207
You’re an ENFO or ENFJ

>>14069563
Anon no being mean, please.

>>14069547
>Honestly the INTPs that I've interacted with were well groomed, well dressed, talented, accomplished, and witty (when I got to know them). Granted, they could have been exceptions to the rule, but I think it's more likely that you're blaming your personal problems on your MBTI type.

Every type and every person can develop, grow and compensate for their weaknesses and become a well-rounded individual with fleshed out strengths; however, achieving personal growth requires interacting with others and types that are prone to being socially inept can stagnate. An INTP in full bloom is Yang Wenli; a poorly developed INTP is your garden variety "gifted kid burnout starter pack" /r9k/ lurker.

>>14068511
This is true. One INTP I know who got a gf was in a position where she (ENFP) pestered him until he gave in. The rest become incels and the ones who don't want to face that path will end up transitioning.

The other problem is that most INxJ types have incredibly high standards for just about everything meaning they'll pass up opportunities in favour of their ideal which of course will never happen. The females on the other hand tend to be split down the middle with the other half throwing caution to the wind and becoming utterly revolting sluts as a result.

are there any ISTP writers or are they all illiterate

>>14068630
mbti is a generalization. intps can differ greatly from each other

>>14068665
you should really self diagnose instead of using ((16personalities))

>>14070294
>most INxJ types have incredibly high standards
Relatable. I once stopped pursuing a girl I was interested in because I wasn’t sure if I was REALLY in love with her or if I was just testing the waters (It was the first time I ever scored a date, so I was careful.).

It’s only now looking back that I realise I genuinely was in love with her and that she clicked with me in a way that no girl had before.

How do I get over this need for perfection?

>>14068847

Whence the conveying then?

>>14068847
>>14070659

Moreover, you are still conflating coincidence with Ontology. It's such a basic mistake that I'm confused as to why you need any explanation at all to realize it, and further confused as to why you are so obstinate in it. Would you say that projection screens are fundamental to film making? Mud fundamental to engineering? Defecation fundamental to cooking?

What was Saint John Henry Cardinal Newman?

>>14066395
My bf is an INFP and I love him with all my heart. Don't give up anon

>>14071237
gay

>>14071237
female or homo?

>>14067098
I'm a 25 year old virgin

>>14071364
Biological female
>>14071242
ur mom gay

>>14071383
tits or gtfo

>>14067098
ive been trying for 6 years and havent yet succeeded

>>14068631
>INTJ 5w4
>25
>graduated from medical school and currently in 2nd year of residency
>have a gf for 3 years now
>not really the cliché of the fedora tier scientific INTJ tho
>art nerd

how did i do guys?

meming aside, I don't really understand the obsession you guys have with girls. I mean its cool and all but i'm always mostly craving for alone time and lonely activities.

And for those hiding behind their types and pitying themselves because life is unfair and didn't give you the right assets, you're just a bunch of lazy cowards. I was a depressed and fat turbo virgin in high school, then started to read Jung, Marcus Aurelius and some other shit and finally moved my ass, lost weight, found new interests, got cultivated, etc. You are your only prison, there's literally no excuse not to make your life better.

>>14071237
He is lucky man, what type are you?

>>14067877
Astrology is good though.

>>14071456
You're doing great Anon, keep it up

>>14071508
I'm not sure. I used to get INTP but lately I've been getting INFP

>>14071688
I have the opposite experience but i guess i am something between or it depends of time in my life. Good for you. I want to have a large family, but it is so difficult to find a woman for whom I am attractive and even more difficult not to broke it with my autism.

>>14067877
Astrology is unironically real. Look into it deeper than just sun signs, it's an extremely complex, accurate system.

>>14071863
you claim that you can read from stars like ancient people do?

>>14066244
>Rousseau
>Kierkegaard
>Camus
>St. Augustine
>William James

>>14071811
Attractiveness is a double-edged sword, anon. It can make it hard for people to see your soul, or make them unwilling to understand your heart. I hope one day you can have the large family you want, I want to have a big family too

>>14071889
You can get an astrological chart online and read it, yes.
https://www.astro.com/
Birth time is very important because it determines your ascendant, which I think is even more important than your sun sign, and house placement, which is pretty significant. Even without that you can look at placements and aspects of planets.
https://astro.cafeastrology.com/natal.php
This website gives you information on your placements and aspects, but you have to consider them all together to get a full picture. For example, I have a Scorpio ascendant, making Mars my chart ruler. My Mars is in Leo, where it is exalted, and also in the Midheaven, the highest point of the sky. This should mean I'm an energetic, forceful person with great willpower. But Mars is Square my Saturn, meaning they're separated by 90 degrees and Saturn is in Gemini. A Square is one of the worst aspects, and Saturn is the planet of restriction. Gemini is deeply involved with communication. So all this manifests in my will being held back, and I have struggled with depression and difficulty communicating throughout my life, and I'm generally not very motivated to do much. There's a lot of other things in my chart that are surprisingly accurate. I didn't really believe in astrology when I thought it was only about sun signs. Sure I could relate to some qualities of my Virgo sun, but that could all just be coincidence. But when I went deeper into astrology it became really convincing. I relate much more to my Scorpio ascendant, and the combination of everything in my chart seems to describe me almost perfectly.

>>14068019
where do i start with learning the basics?

>>14071811
>>14071994
I think INFx types are arguably the most misunderstood by people. Their introverted nature means that it’s difficult for them to have the opportunity to lay their soul bare despite how much they might want that opportunity. I assume we’re hard to spot out in public, because I’ve certainly never met another person who’s INFP or INFJ.

>>14066244
Not going to read this thread but Nietzsche was an ENFP and Papa Peterpepe is an ENTP, for what it's worth. Freud too, likely.

>>14072653
Nietzsche fits INTJ perfectly.

>>14066395
No

>>14072653
>but Nietzsche was an ENFP

Don't talk about the MBTI if you don't get anything about it.

Holy shit imagine attaching a person's personality to these four random fucking letters. The MBTI has no scientific background and it has been criticized ever since its conception, why the fuck do people still give these retarded personality tests any merit?

>>14072687

No, he does NOT.

>>14072729
It's a helpful form of categorization that can steer one in the direction of true understanding. A bloated system to account for every possible variation in personality isn't practical. MBTI is useful.

>>14070694
I am perfectly aware correlation doesn't mean causation, mate, but it does imply connection, and you haven't offered any alternative interpretation of the infomation available or any alternative method for achieving the same result. Again, you have not actually said anything, retard.

>intj
>7w6
I'm like 99% sure this is actually correct on both parts

>>14072971

There is no "alternative" to a wrong premise. You yourself (rightfully) do not accept it when you think of it >>14068770 precisely because it makes no Logical sense relative thereto, regardless of whether or not it makes sense relative to a sound premise and/or in and of itself.

>>14072971
>>14073106

Meant to quote this reply instead: >>14068494
>Dude just know god yourself lmfao

>>14072971

There is no "alternative" to a wrong premise. You yourself (rightfully) do not accept it when you think of it >>14068494 precisely because it makes no Logical sense relative thereto, regardless of whether or not it makes sense relative to a sound premise and/or in and of itself.

>>14073130
Individuation through the community is the premise, and while you may disagree this is the best method, it's quite clearly very effective. This is why religious traditions exist. That type of organization works in perpetuating religious experiences. You have failed to provide any method for attaining a religious experience except a handwave toward theology, not defined. You haven't said anything because you have nothing to say because you are a moron.

>>14072182
it is hard to find someone to deep emotional philosophical conversation, whatever that means.

I'm INFP and philosophy, even though I read it from time to time often results in it seeming like overly verbose, needlessly complicated discussion that could be otherwise have been shortened to a few sentences, leaving me slightly depressed about having read all of that.

>>14071994
I mean my soul and heart attractiveness. I am average looking manlet so it is even harder i guess.

>>14073177

I disagree that it is even A method. There can be no "alternative" provided TO something NOT causing something else, by me or by anyone else.

>>14072729
It's pretty shit when used to understand real people, but I've found it useful for constructing fictional characters when I write

>>14073235
You may disagree community/religious tradition are a workable method for attaining individuation/religious experience, so then what is your method? It's what I've asked you repeatedly. It's what you've evaded answering.

>>14073262

It doesn't matter whether its Dialectic or bong water enemas, I cannot argue, literally, for either of them or for anything else as being "alternatives" to a wrong premise. It is not Logically possible.

>>14073262
>>14073284

I suppose it's also tremendously ironic that "community" has done nothing to alleviate even your most pedestrian confusions. I'm going to bed.

>>14073284
More evasion. Shelve what you take to be a wrong premise, ignore it as not relevant to the discussion, and just elaborate on your method of individuation/religious experience. Plainly you cannot. You don't have one. You have nothing.

>personality horoscopes

>>14073309
Actually, it's precisely this method which helps me, since by asking people questions, I receive new infomation, recognize new perspectives. Sometimes I encounter performative nitwits who like to roleplay they know something when actually they know absolutely nothing.

>>14067851
No way, he definitely died a virgin

>>14066395
I gave up long ago. I don't think it's impossible, but i just don't even try anymore, now that im out of highschool and just a neet. And even if i found someone that was interested in me, i don't think i'll find one that shares many of my interests or just sees things the way i do.
>>14066402
I feel that. I do that every night and pretend. Sometimes it's a waifu, sometimes im too tired to even think too much on who it is.

>>14073906
ohh boi, don't fall for it, you can also have fulfillment in friendship and greater good. The moment when universe is hugging you is beautiful. You can also become an alcoholic like me and dont care anymore.

>>14069590
this

>>14066395
we're too autistic to ever talk to them

>>14067207
i see what you're saying

>>14070654
Have high standards or do not. Either way you will regret it.

>>14073332

So NO ONE has told you about something so simple, coincidence alone having no Ontological relevance, and/or you haven't heeded them? I only said community is useless when it comes to Theology, but apparently it is useless in general.

>>14067339
I shift back and forth. Myers-Briggs is bullshit anyway.

>>14066281
Look further into MBTI. The "oppositions" aren't what you think

>>14066281

This is true. All types, in fact, have and use all 4.

>>14076132
Relationships of cause+effect are coincidences with ontological relevance. You're a retard who doesn't know what you are talking about. We establish the truth of a cause+effect relationship vs random coindence through its induction from which one may theorize on underlying relationships. There is no such thing as theology without a community. It isn't random coincidence. There is a cause+effect relationship. I realize you are just a braindead peformative monkey who likes fancy sounding phrases in absence of content because you wish to pass as intelligent+interesting despite being dumb+boring, but I am happy to indulge you, an act of pity.

>>14076185

This is practically word salad, my God. That second sentence is straight from France. There is no such thing as Logic withIN a community, apparently, or use of the word "Ontology".

bachelard aka the only good french philosopher ever

>>14076203
I can't even offer you the pity of my indulgence when you can't apprehend what I convey to you. Well, you may only qualify for my contempt then.

>There is no such thing as Logic withIN a community, apparently, or use of the word "Ontology".
This makes no sense since I talked about theology, not logic, in the context of the community. Logic is a tool for examining truth-claims irrespective of any community. Theology is an expression of the community's ontology, and if, then, you intended to originally say ontology, not theology, fine, but you still lack any method for arriving at and verifying any ontology unless you posit the scientific method which is an incomplete ongoing ontology and exists outside the individuation/religious experience point.

>>14076217

I was...merely making fun of you thinking the word "Ontology" is fancy, which either means your community is as dim as you are and/or that you do not actually partake in it. That you are also autistic enough to think I was prompting you to spam the word "Ontology" in your babbling, and that it would make any difference regardless, is tragicomical. Every reply reveals a new dimension of irony. What next?

>>14076248
I did not say the word ontology is fancy ie difficult, obscure. The point I made is your posts are an exercise in meaningful-sounding gibberish using philosophical jargon (ie ontological relevance, dialectic) to obscure the fact you aren't actually saying anything. I've taken your terms, given them their precise definitions --theology and ontology-- to try to clarify your non-points to expose them as non-points. Consequently, you've given up even pretending to say even, even try to respond. You have nothing left because I've taken your toys away. Basically, you just got owned by an intellectual superior.

>>14076256

Yes, you did: >>14076185

What else could you be referring to? "So"? "No"? Not that I'd be surprised anymore.

>>14076278
Pardon, but you are bringing this engagement down to the level of a petty exchange about whether or not I criticised your choice of words as too difficult or criticised it as meaningful-sounding gibberish. It's irrelevant to what the discussion was actually about - theology, ontology, individuation, religious experience, and the methods involved. You appear to be abandoning the more difficult discussion in favour of something petty and trivial, which would corroborate my point you don't actually have anything to say. In short, when you argue with a woman, she's in the wrong, and she switches the topic to something completely unrelated - that is you right now. Bitch move, faggot. Where's the method for individuation I've asked for, you evasive litttle wannabe, you cheap lousy cocksucker?

>>14076283

"Ontology" is not a word privy to aristocrats or academics. My point being that thinking it is so makes your "argument" about community extremely ironic since it is either as terminally stupid as you are and/or you actually do not partake in said community enough to even be familiar with so common a word. That first sentence is also borderline agrammatical, by the way.

>>14076300
Trivialization because you got owned.

>>14076300
I'm bored, and owning performative wannabes is fun, honestly. So, 1. you've typed " "argument" ," though I have not used that word. Who are you quoting? 2. The phrase borderline agrammatical is nonsense. The grammar either fits standard, accepted use, or it doesn't, in which case it may be unorthodox grammar, a perfectly defensible device only a pedant attacks. My grammar fits standard, accepted use. 3. A communitys level of intelligence is irrelevant to their theology and the religious experiences conveyed through it, as may be demonstrated by low IQ aboriginal tribes who, when first discovered at least, possessed a very rich religious tradition.

Where are the methods, retard?

>>14076305
>>14076321

Perhaps a different community might serve you better then? Dictionary reading clubs? Reddit? Special ed?

>>14076322
Into trivial insults we descend.

Throughout this interaction you've embarrassed yourself. Nobody but you and I care right now, and I know for an absolute fact throughout you've come to respect and admire my intelligence, wish you possessed even slightest modicrum of it. But you have the save face on the anonymous imageboard, don't you? I've recognized you as a lying wannabe, a twerp. How are you preserving your self-esteem right now, faggot? Are you telling yourself you trolled me? Be honest with yourself and see the same thing I've seen - a weak pathetic stupid little embarrassment attempting to masquerade above his station because of the incredible shame he feels at being such a pitiful fucking loser.

>>14076342

Not trolling, to my dismay. Here, start small: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kUSUtbR1T8

>>14076370
I test as very high verbal acuity, thanks. Hence why I differentiated your use of the terms ontology and theology for you.

>>14067207
I think part of the problem is that the ENTP approaches identity like it's some concept to discover through force of their Ne. It's not so much a matter of investigation but a matter of letting yourself just be and feel without filtering it through your intellect.
As an ENTP, I suspect that part of what we do is spread the substance of ourselves broad and thin, and across a controlled construct, so that anything that would resonate with us is only likely to resonate in some small, shallow part, and we're confused as to what it is that's supposed to tie us all together.
I used to consider my emotional aspect mysterious, but after a lot of reflection and a lot of psychedelic use I've come to realize that I do a lot to actively deny them. So to provide a "cure" for the issue - I'd say you gain significant momentum just from being honest with yourself about things you haven't been honest about before. And to be more emotional, remove the filters. When you feel a reaction let it be, don't reinterpret it or cram it into your framework.
As for identity... It was always meant to be a confused project. No self definition can capture the actual self, identity is inevitably a reduction of who you are. What you want is more of a self intuition than a self concept, and that's something that can be left up to the unconscious. It's the artificial, sterilizing reinterpretation of experiences that get in the way of the entp's sense of selfhood.

>>14066244
What are the most suitable career paths for INFPs?

>>14076537
Professional cute nymphoboy.

>>14076565
that sounds gay

>>14066250
This, case in point: Pessoa

>>14076537
I am going to military service. I am tired with my gay ways. I will man up or end broken.

>>14076674
Why are male INFPs considered gay?

>>14066395
>>14072695
>>14073906
>>14074492
Given where we are, I'd kmagine you could say that any type has problems and you'd have anons agree.

>INFJ
>supposedly make up the smallest group of people

what makes them different

>>14076730
It’s the halfway point between the emotionless and orderly nature of INTJ and the romantic and idealistic nature of INFP. INFJ is therefore basically a paradox of personality type. As an INFJ, I find myself doing frequent mental gymnastics to justify being both a stoic autist and an emotional idealist simultaneously.

>>14076687
For sure. I'm INTP and still am pretty socially awkward, though it used to be a lot worse before I learned not to worry so much about how others perceive me. I also learned how to play the charming prince, mostly relying on my good looks and the halo effect to pull the heavy load. Some girls interpret my aloof and social withdrawn ways, as well as my autistic ramblings about my interests, to be intriguingly mysterious and slightly arrogant which seems to be a turn on for many. Being emotionally stable is also a huge selling point, especially to my current INFP girlfriend.

Studying to become a clinical psychologist also helped me greatly.

>>14076679
so much feeling and shit, crying like a little bitch


I dont know actually always feel like a man but people told me that I am very sensitive and so men treat me like I was half men

>>14076431
Good post

Where my motherfuckin ISTJ Chads at?

>>14077172

I believe the Si-Fi axis is literally the COOOOMMMING axis.

>>14072182
I've met a lot of INFPs online, its much easier to find them here than irl

So, what's it like being a male Feeler?

>>14077682
gay

>>14076431
>And to be more emotional, remove the filters. When you feel a reaction let it be, don't reinterpret it or cram it into your framework.

How do i do that?

it's so fucking telling that the pseuds on this board actually believe in this shit

>>14077620
So I’ve noticed. I’ve also noticed that INFPs are far more likely to come out as trans if they’re male, but that might just be me imagining things. Regardless, I think INFPs are pretty chill. They’re more fun to talk to than INTP autists IMO.

>>14077682
It’s a double-edged sword. On the one hand, your empathy makes you less alienating towards people, but if you’re INFJ or INFP, then you’re constantly battling with your emotions on top of social pressure to be stoic and masculine. Basically, it makes you feel emasculated and feminine and most of your time is spent crying over the fact that no one really gets you on a spiritual level.

>>14077700
The difference between MBTI and more >scientific psychometrics is that MBTI tries to combine the different factors into a more unified personality. The Big Five, for example, only goes so far as to measure the five factors without trying to predict how they interact with each other, and what the resulting personality would look like. This means that MBTI will be a lot more hit-and-miss, whereas the big five will be more reliable but less interesting for someone who isn't versed in it.

While MBTI aren't a "true" representation of personality, people often recognize themselves in their result, and it allows for discussion about how people think and function differently in a shared framework. These kinds of discussions are much harder to have without such a framework, seeing as descriptions of personality are inherently subjective. Using the test allows for discussion of differences in results, and thus, "types".

It's not a matter of belief at all, to me. It's fine to disregard it as unscientific, but the same argument could be made about any and every personality test.

>>14077752
I almost forgot how I feel, thanks for reminding me this. you prick fuck

>>14077782
Sorry about that. I was only talking about how I feel as a male feeler.

It sometimes feels as though we weren’t meant for this world.

>>14077875
I try hard not to feel. I can feel beauty, good and joy on so high levels but I also feel negative emotions on very high level. It is not worth it for sure. I must drink on to suppress emotions. I tryed drugs but its fucked me up even more. Now I try not to think too much like i was in my childhood.

>>14068511
Rubbish, my friend and I are both INTPs, we have never had trouble with women since our teens. It just takes longer for some people to develop desirable characteristics. INTP's are too easily caught up in pop culture and games so they never aim to improve themselves socially.

>>14077894
Nothing good comes of suppressing your feelings too much either. When I was younger I was sensitive and prone to melodramatic emotional outbursts, but now in an attempt to control that, I’ve suppressed my feelings so much that I struggle to show emotion about anything even if I feel it internally. I actually enjoy crying at something every now and then because it’s so rare that it serves as a reminder that I’m human.

>>14077901
Agreed, brethren. My main problem was always the anxiety that came with making a decisive move, not sparking interest. After getting a girlfriend (INFP qt) I feel even more confident talking to other girls, resulting in even more hints of interest and a terrible case of the-grass-is-always-greener.

>>14077935
fuck it bro, I dont care anymore

>>14077953
I'm the same with an INFP gf, a big part of what can make an INTP attractive is the constant longing for meaning can translate into proactivity and self-improvement. The big piece missing for INTP is the EF, working on that geuinely cures many problems, but most are narcisstic and lazy, would rather accept the world is wrong/they are doomed to be outcasts rather than improve.

>>14067895
>have a lot of friends but still a virgin

You must be incredibly ugly or short.

>>14078040
For sure. I remember how 18 year old me realized that my social anxiety, fear of rejection and lack of love life was a major concern that needed to be dealt with. Consequently, I started reading about psychology, working out, reached out more to friends and went on a couple of miserable first dates through tinder. Also went backpacking on my own for 4 months in Asia, which helped me to grow massively. Now well on my way of becoming a clinical psychologist.

>>14067098
you got me lol

>>14078094
just wait till you actually want to stop pretending

>>14078088
Sounds like your life is going great, I had the same realisations as well, and I picked up drawing and painting because I had a longing to create. Went to university without any friends, had a few autistic moments but left with friends for life.

>>14078211
Curious about what your relationship looks like, seeing as we both have INFP gfs. The main tension in my relationship is probably my need to isolate myself at times, which she doesn't really understand. She can be clingy at times, which is both endearing and off-putting. I found myself bending over backwards to accommodate for her wishes, which made me miserable for a time before I brought up the issue.

Overall it's great, we have lots of fun and she likes to listen to my autistic monologues about my interests.

>>14067207
Speak english motherfucker

>>14078310
For me, she is always wanting to meet up, then expects me to entertain her as she sits on her phone, which pisses me right off. She has come to accept I want time alone and I think she has come to accept that, but still complains. She is generous, cooks meals and enjoys going long walks. She can't keep up with my ideas, which doesn't bother me since I have other friends for that, the big problem for me is her trying hard to fit in with her friends, even though their lifestyle isn't compatible with hers. She is 5 years younger than me, so I think it's a phase she will grow out of. She's pretty silly at times so I gave her the nickname the gooblin, it is a fun relationship overall.

>>14078396
>>14078310
How old are you guys?

>>14078396
My gf was terribly addicted to her phone initially as well, though I eventually got her to see how destructive social media is. What's the lifestyle of her friends?

>>14078427
25, why?

>>14078476
I wonder how much time have left for me to do something with myself. Not that I am planning to do anything.

>>14078088
I'm 18 rn, anxious, studying psychology as well.
Can't really go backpacking in Asia now though, so I'll have to find another way to grow.
Can you recommend some books that helped you?

>>14067098
It's because they fantasize themselves into a black hole about people way out of their leagues but feel threatened whenever someone likes the ""idea"" of them

>>14077996
We'll get there some day anon. We just have to hope we find people who are fine with us showing our sensitive side.

>>14078539
Crime and punishment helped me when I was 22 and alienating myself due to anxiety. There's a lot of christ talk in it, but the story was engaging and the protagonist's struggles mirrored my own.

>>14078566
You don't get it I am not fine with my sensitive side.

>>14078476
Her friends just go out drinking, clubbing and do drugs, she doesn't even enjoy going out but she still does it. Most of them are vapid and just live for the next pint, I got her to stop taking drugs and she drinks less now. She just has a fear of losing them as friends mainly but it's not a real loss, to be honest. She does have good friends that aren't taking by that lifestyle, it's just a select few. She has been trying harder at university as well since we started going out, more of an indirect influence. She is still young and thinks having fun is the only way to feel good about yourself, even though it's affecting her wellbeing.

>>14078503
I'm 26, theres always time to apply yourself to something, I wouldn't say I really got my shit together until 24.

this is literally zodiac signs for people with a superiority complex

>>14078617
shut the fuck up, we see smartass like you for the tenth time, read the fucking thread

>>14078617
>t. INTP

>>14077688
>>14077752
Fucking hell.. Hopefully they're only a small percent of the male population

>>14077695
it's a matter of doing less - it's not that you aren't doing emotion, but that you're actively constructing stuff in the way. It was something I didn't realize til I did DMT and Ayahuasca, that I was on this desperate search for profound emotional being but all I was doing was wilfully distracting myself from how I actually felt: Frustrated, annoyed, vain, and scared.
It just didn't fit in with my ego, to acknowledge any of that.

>>14078503
Eh, the longer you wait the harder it gets.

>>14078539
Books is fine and all, but the main thing is to recognize what parts of your life you are dissatisfied with and actually doing something about it. Working out is a great way to increase your social confidence. The halo effect is also very real, meaning that if you present yourself well others will respond to you in a more positive manner, making everything easier.

I worshiped The Last Psychiatrist at that point in my life, as his texts really provoke you to change and become a better, less narcissistic, person. Also like Jordan Peterson's lectures on youtube.

https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html#c040894

As for books, Models by Mark Memeson was what I started with as I tried to conquer my fear of grills. The Definitive Book of Body Language or some other book about body language could help, and it's fun to be able to read other people. The Ego Tunnel by Thomas Metzinger also influenced me quite a lot.

Doesn't matter at all what you read until you start applying it in your real life, though.

>>14078615
My girlfriend used to drink a lot with her friends too. Lately she's been starting to understand that while it helps with her social anxiety and feels good, it also isn't a very healthy habit. I believe girls mold themselves after a man they respect, an indirect influence like you say.

>>14078698
>>14078615
>>14078476
Am I autistic or it is a good laugh on me.

>>14079147
Atleast one of us is autistic, because I don't understand what you're talking about anon

>>14079159
good

i wish I had an infp gf
t. infp

>>14079191
I think that combination may end not well.

>>14079247
Why? Because we'd both be shy? I want someone who feels as deeply as I do.

>>14079258
because real life will eat you for breakfast and then send you somewhere near the garbage can

>>14078698
I agree, women look up to men more than they like to admit. Overall we have a happy relationship, we both have a great time together.

>>14078539
I'd recommend 48 laws of power, it helps understanding social interactions more than it seems on the surface. It reveals tricks that people play in common conversation to get the better of you, and can point out where you are failing in your interactions. I'd also recommend Ecce Homo, even if you aren't into philosophy. It's an easy read and insight into Nietzche's life that can help you structure yours towards something better. Check out Academy of Ideas on youtube as well, bite-sized philosophy lectures that can help you to find out the sources of your problems.