/lit/ - Literature

>>14054172
Many, but chiefly to make us develop sensations and ideas. Also to create beauty.

>>14054172
n/a

>>14054172
Read some entry level art history books, and you might find what you’re looking for.

>>14054172
To record and reexcert forces or vectors to induce production of various kinds

>>14054172
To promote a specific ideology by impressing low iq normies with esthetics.

>>14054199
Such as?

To make our life non-miserable and wake up the passions that are inside us.

>>14054172
It's creating a portal into a new reality.

It's for the will to affirm its difference, for it to exercise its need to create, to synthesize. Art does not serve a "purpose" it has value in and of itself, to the subject. It is a game to be played, a puzzle to be decoded, a mirror held up to your self from which truths about it are reflected, or created anew. It refreshes the self, it cleans it of rust, of decay.

There is none. It exists for its own sake. Now the better question is what makes great art?

>>14054172
Take the Whitehead pill

>>14055218
see
>>14055229

>>14055229
Autism

The promise of happiness

>>14055257
Add that's a good thing

>>14054172
the promise of happiness

>>14054172
A fundamentally and intrinsically human act of passion and expression - a tool with which we can empathize without experiencing

>>14055250
I didn’t read. Please summarize

>>14055318
uh no that's beauty, dumbass

Beauty is the face of God.

>>14054172
To materialise intellectual shapes.

>>14054172
To instruct and delight

>>14054172
what is the opposite of art? being art isnt binary, everything has the potential in it, it is just mostly ignored and only on reflection upon a thing teased out.
I think you chose the right picture. art is antithesis, its something you converse with and exchange ideas with. it is capable of making us feel connected to everything and to make us feel completely alone. Art helps in growing self-awareness and self-realisation.

>>14054172
to impart meaning on an otherwise meaningless world

To reflect an ethereal and eternal spirit

>>14055169
the story of art by gombrich

>>14054172
Something fun to do that inspires others.

To make money on redbubble

>>14054172
Coping

>>14054172
To destroy.
https://youtu.be/aXGeumjKAfI

>>14054172
Art is a historically contingent idea that has only ever referred to the object, the work, (or the non-object still yet defined in relation to the objet d'art) created by man and in relation to man, to represent the metaphysical notion of pure being/presence, in its various social (especially institutional) manifestations, in a way philosophically i.e. logically 'proper' -- maintaining or retaining the property of what is represented -- to that transcendental, intelligible, metaphysical idea/ideal the artist brings into the realm of the sensual, so to progress man towards his telos (as defined by his origin) of pure being within nature, without exteriority, as put forward at the historically contingent moment of 'art theory' in humanist, Neoplatonist, Renaissance Europe. There is no art possible outside of this metaphysics.

>>14057247
Wrong.

>>14057273
Sorry I just mean it's just people expressing their feelings

>>14054172
to communicate in ways which ordinary language fails

>>14054172
“The aim and final end of all music should be none other than the glory of God and the refreshment of the soul.” – J.S. Bach

>>14054172
Moldbug just cleared this up for us:
Man invented art for one reason: to mog. The only reliable way to change a regime is to impress it into surrendering of its own free will. Persuasion is beta; only the uncertain persuade. The strong perform.

>>14057247
how pythagorean, but can you justify this?

>>14057307
Funny. It's a decent definition, but nonetheless wrong. Art is not self-creating, nor completely determined by man (which is also a contradiction in your definition).
More than anything the best art tends to be religious rather than metaphysical, and can often be in opposition to being/presence. Although, generally speaking, being is a non-question to the pre-moderns, quite the opposite of a telos.
Your definition is ironically modernist.

>>14057387
>Moldbug
Cringe.

>>14057429
best not post that picture so cavalierly, your girl might see it and then you're done for

>>14057380
Imagine thinking an all-powerful being gives a fuck about your rolling spit through a bunch of tarnished brass.

>>14054172
To make House music.

>>14057438
>your girl

>>14057419
"the object ... created by man" doesn't suggest art is self-creating. I don't know what 'determined by' means in this context. The definition of art is determined by man, or its objects are determined by man as art? etc. I don't see room for another view.

'Best art' doesn't tend to mean anything if the discussion here is of art in general. History painting in general was considered the best art which could either be religious in a Christian sense or moralistic in teaching the virtues of the Romans, and later the Greeks, and later than that even still more contemporary heroic figures. But at that time of the revolution, with those heroic contemporary figures there was also a move toward nature as being the highest form of art, e.g. landscape painting, which coincides with other intellectual developments of the time, the Enlightenment, placing nature as the good and the corrupting influences of civilisation (especially the aristocracy) as the bad. This has been, at the heart of Western thought, always already in its conception of interior opposed to fallen exterior, presence over absence, etc. Religion is a metaphysics of presence in this way -- there is no purer, fully present, or more immediate and potential being than God, and it is in this spiritual economy of God that man is destined to return to him. It is very much an economy of origin and a telos to return to being, and something that is evident in Western thought since the Greeks, Aristotleanism, scholastics, humanism, Cartesianism, Kant, Hegel, and towards the more secular 'scientific' ideals still contending with their own metaphysical presuppositions. The different ways the West has developed an idea of metaphysical purity and man's relation/destination in regard to it is always seen through the art object. Contemporary art (itself a term to suggest an immediate presence, an art outside of contingent history, an end of history) is the play of an ideological struggle seeking to change the material conditions of experience, or even the conditions of the self in relation to experience of the material, toward a bourgeois self-actualisation outside of a religious 'being'.

>>14057657
>there is no purer, fully present, or more immediate and potential being than God
Where?
>it is in this spiritual economy of God that man is destined to return to him
Why would man need to return to that which is absolutely present?

>>14057657
Perhaps you could point out the great greek works on being.
The reality is that it was a non-question, and only became a question in the period of decline. It was overdetermined due to its loss, a question of return. Similarly, the question of being in modern art is due to an overwhelming sense of loss. But that which is lost cannot be, and any attempt to bring it into being will only increase the destruction.
In other words, the conservative relation to art is one of formal return, not realising that this too follows the laws of abstraction.

As for best art, how could it not be a consideration? Although feel free to post examples of this metaphysical modern art of being. I will say that if being remains a question for a person then they are not prepared for art, they will only cause each other to be divided further.

>>14054172
Inspiration

>>14057851
"Great Greek works on being" is beside the point. What the Greeks set forth was an economy of meaning that privileges presence over absence, self over other, interior over exterior, transcendental over contingent, speech over writing, sign over signified, etc., whatever else that owes its power of regulating meaning in metaphysics, via privilege, to this chain of signification. That the question of being was not a significant topic to write on itself, does not exclude that its privileges were the basis of the presuppositions running (behind and) through however Western thought would configure its metaphysics at any given point in time. Consider that art, safe to say, has generally always concerned itself with 'representation', which is impossible if there is not something to make 'present' sensibly. The exception to this is when 'being' does become a topic of consideration in philosophy, when quite suddenly there is a crisis of 'representation' as well -- a period we can call the modern. At this point art begins to 'represent' only itself, supposedly -- formalism, pure painting, immediacy, etc. The history of art becomes the history that history painting is trying to exemplify, and along with it the history of man as acted out in the present with art, in relation to art. It is no mistake that art of the modern period has a very real and pressing concern with bourgeois politics as well, in some cases primarily, perhaps since the French revolution. Art and society, art and life, art without wall-text or title, etc., using art as catalyst for liberalist social utopia. The concern is no longer the pre-modern 'beauty' as a shorthand for the metaphysically pure, but bringing up and out the universalist purity of the primitive, the childlike; man before inculturation, otherwise not distracted from his fate by fallen exteriority such as craft, writing, language, sign, accident, particularity.

>>14054172
A work designed to be beautiful or profound for beauty and profoundness sake.

>>14054172
to convince you that the universe is divine

>>14054172
to be sold and consumed evidently

>>14054172
whatever you want it to be!

>>14054172
>Man invented art for one reason: tomog

>>14054172
That's a question that is as old as time itself and has yet to me answered. A lot of people gave their input on it, and many more have disagreed with it, so the only answer is that there's no right answer. Is art searching for transcendent truths that truly great poets and writers are able to uncover? Is it to mirror life or critique our society and should be used as a mean to improve it? Or is the purpose of art its own? Who the fuck knows, dude, but I'll tell you why I love and consume art, be it books, movies, music etc., and the reason is because art, truly great art, has the potential to change a person and shake his worldview in all kinds of different ways and that's why I keep at it. But there's also the fact that it serves as an escape from your every day troubles and shit, so yeah.

>>14054172
art has no purpose
l'art pour l'art

>>14057387
There's some truth to that, but taken literally, his statement is a crude reductionism. I suppose it's to be understood as an artistic tool.

>>14058135
Great Greek works on being is not beside the point when you argue that being is the fundamental question of philosophy and art.
Again, I'm not saying it is irrelevant as it is clearly an important question for the moderns. However, it was insignificant for much of the ancient world as it was essentially included within other deeper questions. You insist that this inclusion retains its central character, but this is a very weak argument and ancient thought did not think in the binary and accumulatory system you have laid out here.
Where is the art determined by metaphysics and being? If these were fundamental laws then it should be easy to point out works.

>>14054172
To imagine all possible worlds

>>14057532

He gives THE fuck about everything.

>>14059969
What a cuck.

>>14054172
To Provoke.

To encapsulate an emotion or idea and shove it in your face,metaphorically. The emotions need not be positive or present,since a sense of emptiness and void are representable. The ideas need not be coherent or cohesive,since the abstract is also representable. The encapsulation is the Art. The Presentation is the Medium. The quality is the strength of the provocation.

>>14054172
an exercise of the ego. Only the people that wanna become artists care about art.

>>14055229
this is pretty cool

>>14054172
What's the purpose of working?
What's the purpose of eating?
What's the purpose of surviving?
There's none.
You do all those things because you feel like it?
There's no purpose of living your daily life.
You're in simply for the experience.

>>14057374
this

THE GLORY OF GOD TO THE SENSES

>>14054172
to oppress da black man. sheeeiiit.

>>14054172
The purpose of art is to connect brains with each other, so that they can experience the same feelings at a foundational level. Usually, the feeling that is conveyed the most is harmony, given its highly perceived value.

>>14057374
But much of art is communicated in ordinary language.

Waiting for the spring.
https://youtu.be/7dZZVFUqA1I

Cute girls out for a walk
https://youtu.be/IbsQJBxICN0

The road.
https://youtu.be/nvb8wdBglpw

Reconciliation with the impossible.
https://youtu.be/FJrudQmnnxs

Absolute violence
https://youtu.be/5YT_EKtR_IQ

Crowdrunning
https://youtu.be/8LHitozYZlI

The return of the homeric to the hesiodic
https://youtu.be/_kzjyuQA8ao

The burning light of winter (Have sex) (52:20)
https://youtu.be/Gj-tBVq61as

>>14061411
>What's the purpose of working?
to get money
>What's the purpose of eating?
to survive
>What's the purpose of surviving?
depends on the person, i can't tell you yours

Perfection of simplicity
https://youtu.be/PzSlmWQuHFw

Peace in time.
https://youtu.be/fggmNwe-xHE

Rearmament of the spirit before its death.
https://youtu.be/6NwqXQor43Q

The noble wrath of the unseen total war.
https://youtu.be/Il3FJMf4mSE

Swarming sovereignty
https://youtu.be/5tOdKURcPOQ

Great occasions.
https://youtu.be/sT8WenpR8NI

A kitchen party.
https://youtu.be/B6Nl3PaTimA

>>14063858
youre a rather based poster

>>14054185
>To create beauty

>>14054172
To imitate nature

To direct the schizophrenic forces against the psychopathic
t. read deleuze once and skimmed fanged noumena

>>14063864
Thanks anon. An encore just for you.
Becoming lost in battle.
https://youtu.be/xyDKezDLGTM
The ruins of the spirit.
https://youtu.be/eDFZypkEHzg
Redemption.
https://youtu.be/EXA8FkQPqAU
Return home.
https://youtu.be/TVY8LoM47xI
Waiting for the next war.

>>14064166
woops
Waiting for the next war.
https://youtu.be/Owlhnsh75o4

And another one I suppose,
Regional anthems of the eternal
https://youtu.be/iZPHCikPJqs

>>14054172
Same as the purpose of life.

>>14064166
The fact that you ended that with Stan Rogers' Northwest Passage exults you far beyond based into some other territory, thank you very much for the tracks

>>14064197
Enlighten us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHR2un7aGtw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBWsnxe1l9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=839G1CVO6uk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku8iwj7jo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9sVcRxopJU

to move large sums of money, tax exempt

>>14064202
Emma Hardelin is essentially the female counterpart to Stan Rogers, the best voice I have ever heard.
https://youtu.be/LTInhtj4YvM
Would love to hear the Scandi male version of Stan Rogers if anyone knows.

>>14059763
Specifically, 'being as presence'. Why else would Plato be concerned with the function of art in his republic? Art would be false, lesser, because all it does is represent the world that already exists, and a mirror could do it better. Is this not an obvious case of the privilege of the present over the re-presented? The question of art has always been how derivative signifiers can be used to access, experience, embody, etc. the signified, using 'representational strategies'. These strategies are designed in a way to capture what is proper to the idea being represented, e.g. how is it appropriate to depict certain historical figures (if at all, in the case of iconoclasm)? what emblems can be used based on their meaning? how to translate nature on a two-dimensional plane? how to show narrative in a single image? These strategies are determined by an ontological system.

>>14064223
Some nice stuff in here anon. Praise Bacchus.
https://youtu.be/MpG9eFVDvsE

>>14054172
To express the human condition visually.

>>14063587
You'll never make it, faggot

>>14059147
Imagine being so pretentios (and a brainlet at the same time) to think that French "saying" has any meaning.

>>14059147
Imagine being so pretentios (and a brainlet at the same time) to think that French "saying" has any meaning..

>>14054172
A better alternative to real life

>>14063525
Does that mean that whole "ancient people were schizofrenic and had no idea of self"? And is this quote "He is generally regarded as the first written poet in the Western tradition to regard himself as an individual persona with an active role to play in his subject" refferencing that?

>>14054172
IT TEMPORARILY ALLEVIATES BOREDOM

>>14054172
feels good to sculpt peepee
feels good to see peepee

>>14055214
you all are sleeping on this reply

>>14054172
something to consider when you get stoned

>>14065035
Nope, good try though.

>>14055357
>I didn’t read. Please summarize
/lit/ in a nutshell

>>14054172
When berrypicker see bull cave marks berrypicker sees bull cave marks.
When Grug see bull cave marks he sees Bull-Grug.
Cave marks show Bull-Grug, Sky-Grug, Earth-Grugette.
Cave marks show Grug - Grug!

>>14054172
to convey values and will

>>14054172
Our delight.

>>14064976
No, it is simply that homeric and hesiodic serve different purposes and are perhaps a different relation to myth and the gods. The ancients likely had a better understanding of the self than we do, or at least it was much different due to their vision and orientation.

>>14067414
How do you know it doesn't refference bicameralism theory in psychology? What do you mean it was different do to "vision and orientation"?

>>14067605
Name one work on psychology from that era.
Myth requires a different perspective and understanding of man's relation to a territory. Science is essentially a flat earth theory in relation to metaphysical laws and the force required to establish dominion. The crude maps of a primitive landscape labelled with a geopolitics of functions rather than values, gods, and essence.

>>14054172
To express feelings or ideas

Secondarily to express them to others.

>>14054172
to entertain, and to tell, show and explain ideas and thoughts

>>14067756
One work on psychology from ancient history? Are you fucking with me bro? I was refferencing the bicameralism theory. You lost me on everything else.

>>14054172
To create beauty