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Is American pragmatism actively alive today?

Hemingway was a communist and considered progressive for his time-period. His books are also about the limitations of masculinity in war, and all the Italians in A Farewell to Arms are very effeminate. I think he has this reputation because of the Old Man and the Sea, but Santiago is rather hapless in that book and it's meant to be a metaphor for accepting God's fate and having faith.

>>14049598
Progressive types today are not the same from ninety years ago. They also hate Hemmingway's depiction of women in The Sun Also Rises, for example. I think he's getting the shaft and being slowly erased from public consciousness.

i just read the old man and the sea the other day and it was great and i told all my friends to read it

>>14049543
Most of his novels are kinda stuck in their time desu. As we move further and further from the interwar period, the Spanish civil war etc some of his works are becoming less relevant.

>>14049543
For a while he was overrated but now he is back to being underrated. I’d say he’s leveling out, his short stories are being recognized as possibly some of the best in American fiction. His novels seem to be falling by the wayside a bit for their perceived sexism. I enjoy him, short stories, novels, etc. and especially A Moveable Feast, that’s one of the best memoirs I know.

Hemingway is still one of the few household names of 20th century lit, he’s not being forgotten just because your strawman boogeyman dislike him.

>>14049543
Old Man and the Sea still gets taught in a lot of American schools.
The Sun Also Rises still resonates with young people who learn about drinking too much, living frivolous lives, vaguely whoreish party grils and the beta orbiters who enable them until they run off to suck on Chad’s bulldick.

Maximalism was always superior to mimimalism.

>>14049598
>all the Italians in A Farewell to Arms are very effeminate
You've obviously never been to Italy. My grandfather was in WW2 and said he respected the Germans for their strength and bravery but he and other allied troops laughed at the Italians and called them queers. They had two Italian POWs that wouldn't stop fucking in the makeshift jail so they built another jail to separate them but in the middle of the night one of them got lose, broke back into his old jail and they started fucking again. It was a mess.

>>14050436
based

How exactly is Hemingway good? His iceberg "theory" seems to less meta and more like an excuse for bad prose.

>>14049543
He's great but if all you've read is shit like the old man and the sea you'd think he was for plebs (because you're actually the pleb). Death in the Afternoon is one of the best books written by an american

>>14049739
>Hey ma, look at me, I'm using BUZZWORDS

Sun a R is my fav of his. It's not *just* about hedonism tho, you're the type of guy calling notes from the underground the incel manifesto. It's hedonism as an escape from trauma or as an outing of their dessillusion. Lost generation and all that. Personally don't see the paralell to your cuck and bull narrative

>>14051897
I don't understand why that "theory" is attributed to him in particular. It's just subtext, one of the cornerstones of good fiction. Even the most bombastic of writers, Shakespeare for example, used it to great effect.

>>14049543
He's spent some time being assailed by the school of resentment, though more recently they've switched over to kicking John Updike instead.

Hemingway is still famous though, his name remains well-known even by non-readers. Not sure how many actual readers he still has though.

Hemingway's novels are as old today as Madame Bovary was when they were written.

>>14053076
Funny that Madam Bovary is still miles ahead of any of Hemingway's work.

I really liked Hills like White Elephants. I think I read it a decade ago and wasn't really impressed so never got more into Hemingway. Read it the other night and it damn near broke my heart. Love how much inference the reader has to do, makes me feel bad for how retarded I must've been in highschool to not like this. Only confirms how shit my taste was.

Anyways, I want more Hemingway, where to next?

>>14053116
Short stories are his best stuff. I was given a copy of the Finca Vigia edition of his complete short stories, and I enjoyed it immensely.

>>14049689
>A Moveable Feast, that’s one of the best memoirs I know.
Really I lost all respect for Hemingway after reading that, it's largely just him being a bitchy drama queen behind his friends backs.

>>14049598
Hapless in demeanor perhaps, but he shows incredibly strength, patience and perseverance in that novel. I think it's the dignity of quiet power he's about.

>>14050436
Now thats a storry.

>>14050436