/lit/ - Literature

>>14047641
My posts on /lit desu

>>14047641
Catcher in the rye

On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin

>>14047651
based rec

>>14047650
Wouldn’t be incel if he got diddled by his teacher

>>14047641
The book of disquiet

>>14047664
I guess that raises the question of if involuntary sex breaks celibacy. If some Viking rapes a monk/nun, are they still celibate? If Jamal bix's some pasty incel's nood, are they still the "-cel" part of "incel"?

>>14047673
Celibacy implies consent and agency. You're thinking of virginity.

>>14047678
Does it, though? Is there some definitive source you can provide (for the monks/nuns, obviously the incel community is just a loose conglomerate of desparate nerds).

>>14047673

incel is a psychological modality. if you took the average incel and the average pimp, concealed their identities, and asked them to explain their views on women, they'd mostly be identical. you can still have sex and be an incel for this reason

>>14047673
Accprding to catholic understanding, virginity is both a physical and a mental state, which can be regained after a certain time through the grace of Godand practicing celibacy.
Interestingly enough, the hymen grows back too but it takes 3 years without sex for this to happen, and for males virginity only exists as a mental state without any bodily markers.

Celibacy is not considered broken in case of rape, even if the nun in question happened to enjoy the act.

>>14047696
meh, at that point the word can just be replaced by misogynous
Not being able to have sex (except with hookers) is a core component of being an incel

>>14047696
No, that's not what that term means.

>>14047641
mfw im the guy in bed with the girl. Have been in this exact situation recently. My forearms are more vascular than my biceps though

>>14047765
You, and most of the normal male population. You realise that having sex is the norm, right? You’re not special.

>>14047696
Not quite.

Your post appeals to the idea of incel culture as an expression of misoginy. Yet in reality, an "incel" (I hate this word so much) is quite a different beast.

Why? Contrary to popular belief, simply "having sex" does not heal the "incel". If that were the case, prostitution would suffice. Incels, however, statistically never seek prostitutes like a normal man would do when aroused. The issue for them does not seem to be untreated sex drive. What incels desperately desire is the idea that somebody wants them exactly as they are. Sadly, the answer for them (who are the majority of men) is a clear and resounding "No". Most times, "Never".

Keep in mind: these are damaged, isolated people with weak family friend oversight. Normal moms and dads, as incredible as this may sound, want grand kids. They model how men and women should behave and will worry when their child seems to be a failure in the date market. Normal friends will have relationships and even if they don't push their "possible incel" bud into a relationship, they will make him feel wanted. But let's not kid ourselves: people with terrible family relations rarely have good friends, as they even lack a standard of what a healthy relationship actually looks like.

Love from the opposite sex is just a form of acknowledging that somebody somewhere wants you to exist. When you don't get that certainty neither from women, nor from anywhere else; that's when you go from a virgin to an incel.

Kreutzer

>>14047773
>>14047641
Also, this woman is either incredibly dumb (which in that case, nobody should even bother with her statements), or self-absorbed to the point of manic narcisism, which is common with attractive women, as they never are thrown under the bus for the crap that they say and do like every person should be.

In any case, rest assured that the bill will come due. A terrible youth never sows the seed for a healthy maturity. One day she will wake up and realize her hot dude is gone, and that she is some fat moronic blonde with absolutely nothing that anyone would want.

>>14047641
Frankenstein, The Monk, The Phantom of the Opera.

>>14047773
Your popularity in that other thread has rot your brain, now you felt the need to once again write paragraphs of excuses to justify your shortcomings and get the rush of (you)'s. You seem really smart, brother, don' t make us pity you.

>>14047863
Everything he said is true

>economic freedom begets income inequality

If you say that you are decent person concerned with social justice.

>sexual freedom begets inequality in the sexual market

If you say that you are a hateful, resentful "incel".

Why the difference?

>>14047889

The negative reaction comes from the fact that you describe human relationships as being in a market. You're dehumanizing love.

>>14047765

You're letting your girl get texted at by other dudes? Cut that shit out right now man.

>>14047895
There are many kinds of love. Romantic love at some level is a market

>>14047773
>They model how men and women should behave and will worry when their child seems to be a failure in the date market.
Serves them right for choosing to pass along their junk genes.

>>14047905

I'm not saying it isn't true, but that's the difference. People don't like it when you describe romantic love, something that we associate with passion and emotion, in a "cold and calculating" kind of way. So you get angry reactions, whereas nobody minds you talking like that about income inequality.

>>14047895
Irrational attachments such as love are also present in the market economy, you can have a rich person who squanders his wealth in trivialities and ends his life in poverty, but overall that's irrelevant. In a economic market ruled by the logic of "laissez-faire", people who are better equipped to compete, either because they are already wealthy or because of their personality, intelligence or even luck, will acquire more resources.

What "incels" do is to apply the same logic to the sexual market. If you have unrestricted freedom, then some people, who are more able to navigate such liberty, will have sex all the time, while others will have nothing at all. Involuntary celibacy, the technical term from which "incel" is derived is meant to represent the state many men are relegated into by the increasing inequality of a liberated sexual market. They are the precariat of sex.

>>14047773
No you're just entitled for wanting to be loved.

I'm sure at least a large proportion of self-professed incels could find someone. Some men are indeed hard up, butt ugly both inside and out, and entirely disfavored by the dating market. But what really damns them is their embrace of this misbegotten incel ideology, which does nothing but the disservice of instilling a fatalistic mentality. It's a masochistic, self-undermining belief system that virtually guarantees that its adherents will remain stuck in their unhappy circumstances.
A child is usually no prettier than the prettiest of their parents, and the fact that their parents managed to find each other and reproduce indicates that their genetic stock is capable of perpetuation. This bogus belief that even ugly and undesirable women can still land chads is woefully mistaken; if anything women are punished worse for not having good looks.
By venerating such narcissistic cowards as Elliot Rodger, the incel embraces a nihilistic outlook in life that can only result in self-destruction and self-pity.

>>14047941

I argue that involuntary celibacy is not so much a result of there being no supply of sex to them at all, but rather of their standards being too high. They insist of demanding sex from people who are not willing to offer it to them. Meanwhile they scorn the opportunities to have sex with people they deem as being too low in value to them.

tldr: go fuck a fatty

>>14047952
isn't everybody ? From the sluttiest females to the incellest males, doesn't everybody feel entitled to love just because they exist ?

>>14047787
Kreutzer is volcel. The story is really cuck—-> volcel.

>>14047641
White Nights

>>14047980
only right answer

>>14047958
Fatties can also install Tinder and land a date with a more attractive man than previously possible for someone like her within five minutes. Why would she even consider average males human anymore?

>>14047958
if it was about sex the a prostitute would just fix everything

>>14047904
She's not my girl, she's just some meat I fuck.

Women are a myth.

>>14047980
It's too good for incels. They don't deserve such tenderness.

>>14047958
I argue that poverty is not so much a result of there being no supply of jobs to them at all, but rather of their standards being too high. They insist of demanding jobs from employers who are not willing to offer it to them. Meanwhile they scorn the opportunities to jobs they deem as being too status to them.

tldr: go work in fast food

>>14048015
low status

>>14048015

Working in fast food is a great way to alleviate poverty? wtf are you trying to say?

>>14047991

You're delusional. Fatties get swiped away just as hard as your average ugly man. Which is why they're your easy shot at getting with her.

>>14048027
yep

>>14047992

You know fatties can love you too, right??

>>14048027
really any earned income in the first world means your not destitute. same principle as you suggesting that fucking someone you’re not attracted to alleviates inceldom

>>14048027
Objectively wrong

>>14048031
i don't really think "love" is when two people just settle for one another in a desperate pact

>>14048031
Women only love Chad.

>tfw 6'1 200lbs 10% bf 16" ceps crisp jaw/chin/cheekbones but still no gf

>>14048047

Are you seriously trying to claim that your unsourced and completely unscientific infograph is objective?

>>14048043

>having sex does not alleviate being involuntary celibate

I know you guys are mentally ill but come on man. By that logic I am involuntary celibate because Emma Watson wont have sex with me.

>>14048124
not what I’m saying

>>14047771
Have sex incel

>>14048061

Your thought process is so fucked up. You automatically assume that when 2 ugly people are with eachother its "settling for another in a desperate pact". You are so deranged that you are literally unable to imagine ugly people experiencing love.

>>14048047

Your graph says exactly what I am saying though. The least attractive males and females get exactly the same amount of messages. If anything your graph indicates that its the most attractive males that are disadvantaged.

>>14047773
Pretty based ngl

>>14048132
>i can't find love
>lol just settle for a fatty then
>i don't think settling down with someon because of the crushing loneliness is going to help
>lol who said anything about settling down lol
do you even pay attention to what you write ?

>>14048165

You just keep doing it. You are wholly incapable of even IMAGINING falling in love with a girl who is physically unattractive.

Being an incel is so hard, boo hoo. Imagine having a gf and being unhappy because you think she should be hotter, but you still spend all your evenings and weekends with her because you're a sucker that gets pretty negative when he's alone and has problems saying no to his gf when she wants to spend time together. Now that's JUSTed.
When I was single I used to achieve all kinds of stuff in my free time, I grew as a person. Now it's just satisfying her need for my presence.

>>14048182
why would anyone even try to imagine that ?

>>14047641
That image is depressling accurate

>>14047641
Extension du domaine de la lutte by Houellebecq

>>14048182
I actually can. What I can't imagine is a physically unattractive girl falling in love with a male who is below average.

She may end up with one out of a lack of options, but the moment a man of greater attractiveness or higher status shows up, she unceremonially dumps her boyfriend who once thought himself loved.

Posting trash from twit

literally, frankenstein

>>14048249

So you just think all women are unfaithful whores. Then just fucking say that. Don't give me all this faggotry about being an incel and what that means. Just straight up admit you hate women and you think they are all unfaithful whores.

>>14048307
>all women are unfaithful whores.
Well, they are.

>>14047641
This image isn't quite right. Almost all the Chads I know are tall lean white guys, presumably with enormous penises, not guys with enormous biceps. The big muscly guys obviously still attract women, but the women who go for them tend to be bimbos who I have no interest in texting. If only I weren't a manlet.

>>14048307
they're opportunistic whores

>>14048307
I think the idea of "hypergamy" is basically correct. Repression of women through state-enforced monogamy was enacted to combat this and force them to remain faithful. Now that all of that is removed you see their true colors again.

I think this is an interesting topic. I see lots of analysis but I’m always interested in books that deal with isolated loner characters. I guess you could say it’s my favorite sub genre.

I recently saw a article about “Loner Cinema” after the release of Joker. I should find it and post it up.

I think in terms of Lit Houllebecq’s is the master of these sort of themes.

>>14048307
I wouldn't say women are "unfaithful whores". They are hypergamous, which is something they can't help with. Maybe they would be able to resist their instincts if they were trained into inhibition and self-control since childhood, but alas, female education, both under parental and societal aegis, is mainly about how they should all follow their "feelings", specially in matters of sex and relationships.

Well, the "feelings" of women in this area are basically: 1) below average males aren't actually human and 2) only Chad is worth being excited about

Again, I don't hate women for it. That's what they are, but when you combine this unrestricted sexual freedom, you end up with mass involuntary celibacy among below average men, simply because they can't compete in a sexual market that rewards charisma and an aggressive and dominant behavior.

That being said, I'm not sure I would trade this with the traditional society that enforced monogamy through the oppression of women. As bad as I feel about being involuntarily celibate, I'm sure the woman who would be married to me under patriarchy would feel even worse about being married (aka raped and enslaved) by a man she absolutely despises.

My "solution" to the incel question involves therefore a massive self-education and self-cultivation of both men and women. If men stop putting women on a pedestal, then they won't be so arrogant and picky as to consider weaker men repulsive and repugnant, and if women are taught inhibition and self-control, they won't be so liable to blindly follow their feelings into every single predatory Chad's bed.

As you can see, I'm basically a feminist, actually.

>>14048341
Also I think that his repression is ultimately going to be reenacted as unchecked hypergamy will eventually lead to a societal collapse.

"Whatever" by Houellebecq

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coJjo3NmAEI

>>14048341
> repression

>>14048027
>Working in fast food is a great way to alleviate poverty? wtf are you trying to say?
Woman spotted.

>>14048354
> male feminist
Wow, rapist much?

>>14048371
That's what it is. Women's natural instinct is hypergamy. Monogamy represses this instinct and forces them to behave. Repression isn't necessarily bad.

>>14048413
No, monogamy is so that women can relax and not care about hypergamy. The opposite of repression.

90% of hypergamy is social, a pecking order among other women.

Left to their own devices women will nag but won't care about leaving.

>>14048475
You are hilariously wrong.

>>14048475
It's not social, it's a biological drive to find the highest quality mate and it's hardwired into their behavior.

>>14047641
the basic answer is whatever by houellebecq but the true answer is the bebert subplot of journey to the end of the night

>>14048354
What an absolute cuck you are lmao

>>14048012
Shut the fuck up, woman

>>14048499
I blame my Catholic education for making me too empathetic, but in the end it doesn't make a difference whether I consider the patriarchy good or bad. It's not coming back.

>>14048354
>Well, the "feelings" of women in this area are basically: 1) below average males aren't actually human and 2) only Chad is worth being excited about

You are doing the exact same fucking thing with women though. You are entirely blind to the unattractive and undesirable women. By your own admission your "incel" state exist only because the most desirable women (the female Chads) wont sleep with you. You yourself said that having sex with an ugly women does not break celibacy. One might almost think you consider these below average females as less than human.

>>14048529
It will be coming back once society destabilizes enough.

>>14048545
Maybe, but we won't live to see it.

>>14048487
>bebert subplot of journey to the end of the night
What was it again?

>>14047961
Actually, no. Not quite. I know as social animals external acknowledgement is almost hardwired in our behavior since conception, but tons live in a never-ending rabbit hole of self depreciation and loathing, and even in the case they manage to find outside validation they believe they are not worthy of it.
I guess you could categorize this as a very clear illness, but it exists. You can't feel entitled to love and you actively avoid relationships because beyond any intangible self guilt and low self esteem, a very latent, rational part of yourself believes or knows the person you are at that moment, that amalgamation of desires, thoughts, ideas and possibilities that conclude in what you are, is not worthy. And beyond any present desire what lies is only an endless abyss of hatred that begins and ends with you as an individual. It's a small part of our collective culture as a species, even.
And in all honesty a self harming and sometimes altruistic piece of shit is a hundred times better for society than an entitled incel driven only by animalistic desire and an absurd contrast between that and his actions, for if the incel too had enough education and rationale to know his value he would choose self inflicted suffering over that of others. At the end of the day, incels are categorized for being nothing more than sociopathic failures, is there really anything even more worthless that can be born from the entirety of human potential in the current age?

What a gay sentiment to type out publically let alone think. Stop victimizing yourself and improve yourself

>>14048574
If incels were sociopathic they wouldn't be romantic failures. Actual violent criminals have no difficulty finding love and sex. Quite the opposite, women flock to them.

You're just attempting to moralize your biological hatred of lower status male as a woman.

>>14048529
That’s where you’re wrong white boi

>>14048572
the kid who masturbates all the time gets some weird disease and dies

Sex & Culture by J.D Unwin

In Sex and Culture (1934), the ethnologist and social anthropologist J. D. Unwin studied 80 primitive tribes and 6 known civilizations through 5,000 years of history and found a positive correlation between the cultural achievement of a people and the sexual restraint they observe. According to Unwin, after a nation becomes prosperous it becomes increasingly liberal with regard to sexual morality and as a result loses it cohesion, its impetus and its purpose. The process, says the author, is irreversible: "The whole of human history does not contain a single instance of a group becoming civilized unless it has been absolutely monogamous, nor is there any example of a group retaining its culture after it has adopted less rigorous customs."

>>14048568
I agree that it won't be anytime soon. But you can see the beginnings of it with the increasing discontent felt by young men.

Those incels are really scary people, aren't they? I'm glad my local library installed an incel detector at the entrance.

>>14048639
Sounds like confirmation bias as an art form.

>>14048536
if you fail as a female just kill yourself.

>>14048681
Yeah, I agree. We should create internment camps for incels! I can't stand breathing the same air as those entitled, misogynistic, subhuman freaks.

>>14048545
It won’t come back at all, at least not in the form it used to exist in. Once given freedom, people are not willing to relinquish it easily. There will always be an opposition somewhere to an explicitly patriarchal society.

There’s no even a consensus among disenfranchised young men that women are a problem. Disenfranchisement is felt on all ends of the political spectrum.

The second someone describes behavior as "misogynistic" their argument is immediately discredited. Always with these accusations of some external fault like it's a sickness to be cured of. There's a good reason so many of us are totally disengaged from those conversations.

>>14047795
>In any case, rest assured that the bill will come due. A terrible youth never sows the seed for a healthy maturity. One day she will wake up and realize her hot dude is gone, and that she is some fat moronic blonde with absolutely nothing that anyone would want.

Cope.

>>14048345
link to the artcile?

Notes from underground.

>>14047895
Economics permeates all aspects of human life, not just monetary exchanges

The persona posting guy is right, it's not about sex. I had girlfriends before, and I feel like I'm attractive enough for some girls, but I can't help but relate with the "incels".
This angst blocking your throat sometimes, the feeling that you're not cut for this life, for love, for making friends and building a career among your peers.
I'm 24 years old and while talking to my mom I caught myself saying "When I'm an adult, I will do such and such...", the words came out before I could even think about them. I see people around me and I just feel alien, not an adult, not a "man", almost not a person.
In a situation like this, female attention acts like a "proof" that you're good enough, that despite everything they deemed you worthy of spreading your genes, they are nature's ultimate test.
But I'm well aware that the issue is much deeper than Tinder, it's me who is broken and have been like this since kindergarten.

Every aspect of inceldom is a contradiction

>tfw bicep veins and no gf

>>14048130
I meant that, as a normal male who also has sex, it isn’t special

>>14047667
Book told me to stop reading it early on. So I did. I never finished it.

Damn that fucking OP pic is good. It perfectly sums up an insight I've desperately tried to hold onto, every one of the few times I've really "seen" it.

That's an exact description of what is so demeaning about being an average guy in this day and age, and actually TRYING. Everyone tells you to try, everyone tells you to man up, to learn to throw caution to the wind, etc. But no one anticipates that a woman can always let you try, let you apply for the job, without any real intent of hiring you unless you absolutely blow her away. She can screen a thousand candidates like you, all throwaways, until one manages to "wow" her despite initially seeming average. And obviously, she can use this process just to feel good that so many people are interested in applying.

The problem isn't success or failure. It's the cost of success, even when you do succeed. That's the real pain of being an average dude. These days, there is no sure road to a relationship with a woman. You are either in the upper echelons of men who can breeze right through the line, or you are in the teeming mass of men waiting for their pathetic little grovelling interview, a one-in-a-thousand shot that they're willing to wait weeks or months for.

There are only so many strategies you can use to avoid or manage this dynamic. You can obviously swear off women and stop trying, stop "taking your shot," stop lining up to take your shots, on the understanding that you will only ever take a shot if the woman says "hey, you seem neat, I'm interested in you taking a shot! Are you interested in taking one?," and the exchange is equal and reciprocal. This is the dignified choice. But for an average guy, this will realistically never, ever happen. Women are kids in candy stores. Even if they are inclined to look for a good guy, and not a basic bitch Chad with an iron jawline, they still have the mentality these days that they can look for the good guy AFTER "having fun" for 5+ years.

So your choice is essentially: Be dignified, keep your pride, but accept that you will probably be dateless and/or sexless, possibly forever, OR, keep lining up to take your pathetic little shots, you grovelling "haha that's cool :) so what do you do for fun?" little milquetoast bitch. Keep trying to match that pathetic trickle of girls on dating apps that you actually get, that small fraction of girls who just got out of bad relationships so they're just BARELY willing to countenance a physically unremarkable guy like you for a brief window, that is, willing to permit a slew of guys like you to line up and each take their unlikely shots, in rapid succession, so that even if you do get picked in the initial match lottery, you still have to actually GET PICKED in the date lottery. And even when you get a date, hell, even when you miraculously get to a serious stage, she's so spoiled for choices that she will reveal she's still "sort of seeing" another guy or she'll ghost you for someone who impressed her more.

>>14047773
Good post son. Write a book.

>>14048639
This would be such a banal and gay answer to the question of why societies fail

Just pull a Joker on society you wusses. You know you want to

>>14049202
I agree with the analysis - however, I have to disagree with the universality that your post implies.
If you're 30 and look around at your job, you'll find that most (more than 50% anyway) of the men are in relationships or married.
Not all men enter the game of trying to get with a girl that actually looks great - most people (men and women) go together and stick there.
There's many girls who are essentially submissive and just hope for a man. It's not good that through tinder they get the chance of fucking guys hotter than them and then get a standard - but overall, if you say "in this day and age", then this actually only applies to people who read reddit, twitter or 4chan. The internet affine weirdos.

>>14048687
>>14049250
non arguments

>>14049438
I didn't say I disagreed, I said it was banal and gay

>>14047641
there are two kinds of incels
the coomer incels and the illuminated incel
most books capture the illuminated incel

>>14047700
>catholic understanding
stopped there

>>14049202

you are fucking delusional and should consider actually getting to know an actual real woman for once.

>>14049813
He's not delusion, you're just ignorant. That's what life is like for the ugly man.

reminder that /lit is one of the boards with the most women so it shouldn't come to a surpise that you see so many apologetic and dismissive on their regard trying to save face

>>14050120
Discord trannies don't count as women.

>>14047641
>claims to be incel
>texting women
STFU you're just a failed normie cybord at that point

>>14049813
Most women do stuff like this. Honestly didn't believe it until I talked to more of them as I've been dating the same girl for three years after asking her out in a parking lot.

>>14047958
You seem to be under the impression that incels can easily score sex with a fatty, that fatties don’t aim and have access to sex with men more attractive than them, and that men and women experience the same difficulty when trying to find a sexual partner. You’re profoundly mistaken.

>>14047773
Personafag is my new favourite poster. Irrefutable Pessmism

>>14049047
please respond to my post, I have 2 more days to go till I meet my therapist

>>14049813
>consider actually getting to know an actual real woman for once.

>respond to incel post saying that women rank and reject men for failing to perform, which puts them in a degrading position
>"lol can't even get sex virgin loser incel beta lmao i bet you don't even know women for real though i do i'm a cool chad alpha be more like me guess i'm above you on the virility totem pole i don't have problems like yours because i'm not a beta i'm alpha you incel"

i respond with the assumption that you're a moderately stupid and effeminate man, and can still be reasoned with. if you're a woman ignore this post entirely because i wouldn't have bothered talking to you in the first place.

For me the main cause of inceldom is that incels don't get out of the basement. If you get out a lot, force yourself to get out, you will meet some girl at one point, if you are not particularly ugly or awkward. Currently, i got out quite a lot (about 5-6 times a week), to do sport. I often get prolonged eye contact with women.

>>14050788
Bit of a stupid post.
>if you are not particularly ugly or awkward.
This is what exactly incels claim they are. The meeting of women isn't an issue, it's not being attractive that is the issue.
>I often get prolonged eye contact with women.
Get you

>>14050788
>for me the problem with being poor is you're just not working hard enough

I mean.. yeah, sort of, in the most childish and shallow sense possible. But you don't think there might be some other factors involved there, chief?

Books for when you hate almost all women but because of their personality traits and not because of sex?

>>14050652
No one cares about you. Only fags and women go to therapists. Get a grip.

>>14050813
Then why does the rise of incels coincide with the past few decades, and not with the invention of the pill or the sexual revolution of the 60s? Men have always been judged slightly harsher than women in terms of sexual partners, but the gap between men and women not having sex used to be only a few percentage points - now its something like 28% of young men. I agree this is a problem. But statistically it coincides with the prevalence of the internet and video games, not the sexual revolution. Even tinder only came about when that number had already been trending upward for a decade. And the number of young women not having sex has also risen, just not as sharply. You can blame tinder or feminism all you want but a lot of average or even ugly guys have sex, it's just that they're adapted the social skills to compinsate, wheres a lot of so-called incels have neutered themselves by only getting socialization through the internet. It is true that some incels are "true incels", some are just very ugly and would struggle in any era. But if the number of young men not having sex used to be only 5-10%, only slightly different from women, than the newer ~20% of incels are actually volcels. Looks aren't the issue, it's social skills. The entire looks-based worldview is a cope.

>>14050914
Looks and social skills are not entirely different beasts. Your perceived social skills heavily influenced by your physical attractiveness.

>>14050914
It's a mix of both social skills and physical unattractiveness. Half of incels today wouldn't have been getting laid 30 years ago either. The source is never just one thing. The internet is to blame, feminism is to blame, online dating is to blame, hookup culture is to blame, bullying is to blame, poor education to blame, the way we portray relationships and sex in the media is to blame. Every layer has it's part to play.

The 10% who weren't

>>14050979
>The 10% who weren't
Meant to delete this line, ignore

>>14050878
rude

>>14047700
Hymens usually don't break. They can stretch, but it's often undetectable (it's a thin film with a hole in the center -- if it didn't have an opening girls wouldn't be able to menstruate). So for women virginity is still a mental state.
>"In postpubertal women, or at the beginning of their sexual life, the hymen may stretch, allowing vaginal penetration with minimal or no injury. Only a small portion of these women will exhibit changes in the hymen indicative of penetrating trauma. For example, in one small study of 36 pregnant adolescent girls, medical staff were only able to make definitive findings of penetration in two cases."

>>14050652
It's "okay," anon. Only differences between us are: I'm 25, it took me until 15 to realize I'm hardly alive, and I have no therapist. I've recently been vaguely talking with this qt who works in the same building, but I cannot avoid thinking how easy it would be to push her away by saying something intentionally offputting and/or just avoiding her because Happiness doesn't exist anyway, and if it did i would reject it in defiance, for I shallnot be Happy now if I was unable in highschool or college

>>14051233
>virgin detected
Most hymens don't have holes retard. The collective menstrual blood piles up in there which is why virgins are so pure, the pressure keeps them sexually frustrated. When you finally penetrate that hymen, years worth of menstrual slop shoots out everywhere like a bloody water balloon. Proper Christian tradition is to enjoy this as a meal.

>>14051326
Absolutely based. Disregard my post

>>14051326
this is an aristocratic post

>>14051402
>>14051457
It's self-evident, our ancestors knew. The blood behind the hymen pins the uterus into place, keeping a woman based and proper. A woman who's lost her virginity, and therefore the pressure of menstrual slooshings that pin her uterus in place, is often afflicted with a wandering womb, which at bests results in female hysteria and at worst full-blown insanity. The complications that result from a wandering womb are ever present in out contemporary society. Many women have an insatiable lust for as many male partners as possible, unknowingly a feeble attempt at replacing the feeling of fullness lost when the hymen is popped without a proper bonded mate to perpetually fill it. We can also see widespread female hysteria in the form of the shrieking feminist street agitator. And of course, depression and mental illness in general has skyrocketed in women with middle-aged white women the number one consumers of antidepressants by far. A wandering womb will wander throughout the body, creating harmful pressure in areas such as the brain and heart. Now of course, menstrual pressure past a certain age is just as harmful and can actually push the womb out of place due to the perpetually building pressure and create a wandering womb on its own. The proper way of things is for the hymen to be broken in a woman's prime by a bonded mate who can create the perfect amount of fullness necessary to keep the womb in place and the woman healthy.

>>14051596
what it taste like

what you are looking for is the sound and the fury, specially quentin's section

>>14048047
Fail

>>14048101
>tfw 6'1 200lbs 10% bf 16" ceps crisp jaw/chin/cheekbones
those are your only qualities?
Are you a mannequin?

its not even that hard to get bicep veins, like 4 months of working out

>>14048224
if you are a cuck fetishist
pretty much this >>14048578

>>14047700
>The hymen grows back too but it takes 3 years

Source.

>>14048600
They're right though. Incels are worthless and no one owes you anything in this life. This seems like a dangerously pessimistic point of view, but it is only your materialistic philosophy that makes it seem that way. Stop being a cuck and own up to yourself.

>>14049047
I've felt this way since I was young. I know what you mean by feeling half-formed, not a man. I look at other guys my age and I feel like a different species. Like you, I'm not a virgin and have been in relationships, but there's just something about female attention that wasn't meant for me. I feel like a neuter, sometimes

It both gets better and gets worse.

>>14047673
>>14047688
All celibacy is voluntary by definition.

>>14049202
>So your choice is essentially: Be dignified, keep your pride, but accept that you will probably be dateless and/or sexless, possibly forever, OR, keep lining up to take your pathetic little shots, you grovelling "haha that's cool :) so what do you do for fun?" little milquetoast bitch.

Lmao exactly this. And don't forget feeding the sexual thirst. It just gets so degrading. First option is what separates men from the boys.

>>14047773
>Love from the opposite sex is just a form of acknowledging that somebody somewhere wants you to exist. When you don't get that certainty neither from women, nor from anywhere else; that's when you go from a virgin to an incel.
This is waaaay too general. Incels just want to feel desired, in a romantic/erotic way, by the opposite sex, as well as to engage into intercourse with the people who desire them. All this gay shit about friends and family is taken for granted by incels. Otherwise this kind of love would suffice but it doesn't, does it? They're eager for romantic love.

The incels I know refuse to lower their standards. A girl that's a 5 or up isnt going to wanna fuck you charlie you fat neckbeard. You live with your mom and work but blow all your money on weed and video games. I've noticed that the longer you go as an awkward virgin the more likely you are to be trapped that way. Charlie doesnt even go to events or parties anymore it's like hes given up.

>>14050914
You don't understand the root of the issue. Who knew that making women equal to men both socially and economically meant that later they were going for the only tiebreaker in a man: appearence.

>>14050914
Group dynamics and proxemics have changed massively during that timespan along with the rise of convenience culture. Girls no longer have to be constrained to whoever is geographically closest to them and within their immediate social circles thanks to the magic of the internet.

In regards to convenience and the risk reward ratio, if you're a below average male with few redeeming features, the dating game can be a horrible one not just for the reasons outlined here >>14049202 but also because at any time she can ruin your life through the legal system or simply by spreading rumours among your friends. With this in mind, it's no mystery why so many low-value males are simply opting out.

>>14049202
Trying does indeed hurt. Rejection is even worse, though. But I think there is a point where you're jaded enough so it doesn't matter.

>>14047904
This guy fucking gets it (maybe? Perhaps im projecting here). Its a sign of disrespect to be texting or using some sort of pacifier for that matter while spending time with anyone.

>>14052377
His entire point is that incels don't have friends or strong familial relationships. Read the post again.

>>14047641
Maybe Naomi. Not quite 《incel》according to the definition (if any) but on the right track of self hatred and obssesion on women.

>>14051596
What the fuck are you talking about it's left over membrane from the formation of the vagina. The name of it is literally membrane.

>>14052416
that image is quite the blackpill. she's very ugly and yet she has so many men at her disposal.

>>14047696
>you can still have sex and be an incel for this reason
this is retarded

>>14048499
Cope

>>14051596
based 18th century physician

>>14049047
Has this not always been true though? Even in medeival times you could still marry a woman who "doesn't really love you for who you are," even in the agora one could find plenty of men with weak jaw lines. Yeah, some of us have this thing in life harder, but it makes you appreciate what you get

>>14048529
If the prosperity of the west keeps decreasing and it will, old social patterens will reemerge

>>14047771
Incels is reaching 30% among young males. And still rising. I wouldn't be surprised if we reach Japanese levels with zoomers. At least it's a credible scenario. Whether we reach >50% is quite secondary. Incels are a large enough minority that non-incelism can't really be considered the effective norm any more (that would be like saying current USA are still a white ethnostate with a few coloured roaming around).

>>14048982
Love is not zero sum so it’s allocation isn’t of concern

>>14047895
The 'market' is precisely the humanized part. It indicates consciousness of oneself, of time, of weighted risk, it requires aperception, planning, action dircted by thought. It also indicates the knowledge that you have incompatible alternatives and you need to make decisions after making a comparison (the infamous 'commodification').
This romantic bullshit is precisely the non-human non-spiritual part in common with beasts. It's the vengeance of animal Eros on the anthropomorphic institution of marriage.

>>14047941
The analogy doesn't really work, no matter the meme houllebecq pages on it.
In a market people produce things, look for higher productivity, exchange, etc. Sexual and even more romantic partnership follow different views because you can't produce/exchange it in the same manner.
If there is a new or expected demand for electricity or cars, industrials will just jump on the occasion to meet demand.
The analogon in the dating scene would be the production of new people. But adding those new people renormalizes the dating scene (especially under monogamy). Besides we don't know, at least yet, how to produce girls specifically (outside of genociding little boys to achieve two women per man for instance). This excess would lower the relative value of pussy until you clear the dating scene. In practice you have different categories of people that can refuse dealing with each other, and no way to increase the relative proportion of one. In those conditions there is no insurance that you can clear the dating market.
If anything, the current dating scene is in many aspects much closer to the political infighting to accaparate gibsmedat than to the usual operation on a free market in any industrial product.

every emancipation which has ever taken place was a mistake

Why are women like this...

>>14047696
fuck outta here roastie

>>14050914
>by only getting socialization through the internet.
This. You can never ever meet and fuck a girl, locked in your room, in front of your computer. However, the more you get out, the more chance you get to fuck a real women. It's almost a statistical probability. The real problem is that they are scared as fuck. Scared of women, scared of being beaten by other men. I found a good solution to lower this fear: combat sports.

>>14049202
man up bro, it’s stochastic. nothing to do with u. it’s gotta be right girl right time. there’s nothing that’ll guarantee the right conditions for any one girl. no big deal literally millions of people to meet

>>14052324
>I feel like a neuter, sometimes
If I had to boil it down to one sentence, it would be this one.
I'm skeptical this is some hormonal problem, since I have quite the sex drive; thinking about reading some psychoanalisys to see if I can get any insight.
Reccomendations?

>>14047651
This

>>14048065
Women don't even love Chad romantically. They "love" him like they would love their fashion accessories.

>>14047700
>>14051233
>>14052265
Everything I've read about the hymen is conflicting, so I no longer believe anything that anyone says about it.
>>14049766
Dilate

>>14049202
Good post

>>14049047
I feel the opposite, that I am too fully formed as a man in a world of manchildren.

>>14047641
>Average comments per thread on /lit
20
>Incel thread comment
178

I don't draw conclusions.

>>14053218
>Chad literally fucks a new girl everyday thanks to internet apps
>dude you can't use the internet that won't work

>>14049202
>>14047773
god bless

>>14053390
>why are contemporary issue threads getting more posts than discussing neetshit for the 10000000000th time
Who knows.

>>14049202
Good post. It sums up the mentality of an incel. However, a few comments. First, stop online dating. It's cancer. Secondly, those "few shots", you talk about, can be done on a long, boring, endless period of time, or can be done on a short period of time. Yesterday, i just talked to 3 different women. All three rejected me, but if i continue to do this for a few months, it's almost garanteed that i'll get laid.
Also, you keep telling that average guy doesn't get chances, get ignored etc... But hey, it's the same for almost everything in life. Try to enter a sport competition without training at all. You'll finish last. Same for chess, or even videogames. In order to get good, you have to work. Almost nothing is life is given. So you complain that average guys are constantly rejected, and that chad fucks a lot, but if you don't train at something, chess for example, you'll constantly loose. It's like complaining that your cooking is shit, but do you even try, do you even read cooking books, take cooking classes? If the answer is no, why do you even complain, if you don't train, it's obvious why you suck...
On a positive note, most of you guys don't understand that your body is a gold mine. Most of these incels are perfectly functional. They don't have health problems, are not blind, or in a wheelchair, or have cancer. They could very well go to the gym, train their personality, buy some fashionable clothes etc... They just don't do it, because it takes efforts, they are scared, lazy, have fear of uncertainties, of failure. Again, that life. Not even particularly harsh living conditions, life war, or adversity, but just ordinary life.
>she's so spoiled for choices that she will reveal she's still "sort of seeing" another guy or she'll ghost you for someone who impressed her more.
Try until you find one who won't. Grow some character god dammit. Once a women did this to me, she was kinda nice, i friendzoned her instantly. Then she chase after me (reverse psychology effect), for two years. It was too late for her. I never came back.

>>14052925
>outside of genocing little boys
Works for chicks

>>14053409
>incel
>contemporary issue

Fucking normie.

>>14053410
>but if I continue to do this for a few months, it's almost guaranteed that I'll get laid

>>14053410
The funny part is the post already mentions your type. Your "advice" is to just spend all your time training youself so you can be a stool for women and even then the success rate isn't that big. Your horrible analogy with competition dosen't even make sence because in a competition both parties have a sort of respect for one another because they both hard to get to where they're, they have the respect of equals. This isn't present at a date. Have you noticed how mostly men seem to have issues getting a partner? It always falls on him to get better, stronger, smarter, funnier more charming. You look at the counterpart to that man and what do you see? Do you see a women doing all of those things as well? Noap, because women are perfect the way they're, the only thing they need to worry about is not getting TOO fat. How do you consider these two to ever see one another as equal when they aren't?

>>14053469
>male virginity rising by almost 20% in the last decade is not a contemporary issue

>>14053480
This can't be real, the guy is probably autistic or deformed.

If I get dates on dating apps does that mean I'm good looking, didn't know it was so hard.

>>14053480
The guy in that post most likely has autism. Autism is one of those things that can fuck you over if you don't know how to make it charming, it can fuck you over more than bad looks. That is the true black pill, boys.

>>14053524
Autistic and deformed people are real

>>14053543
If you are autistic and ugly, its really the worst hand that can be dealt. I would argue its better to be NT and ugly rather than good looking and autistic.

I'm not even mad anymore

I feel absolutely nothing,a black void.I am at peace with my own existence and the universe

>>14048687
Why?

>>14049202
it is pathetic in the first place to value a woman so much that you compete to be chosen by her

>>14053566
I agree with this. Men should not waste time with women who do not like them at first because women are very harsh in who they rate as attractive vs unattractive; however, one advantage for men is that women are very differential in what they find attractive.

>>14053509

>>14053782
p much.

>>14053782

>>14049202
mmm yes, quite Houellebecqian I might say

>>14053525
I don't man, I had around 100 matches on tinder within the first few months I downloaded it and I'm still a cringcel

>>14053840
I just ask them out as quickly as possible. Usually within a day or two. I don't try to use any 'game' or 'tricks', its too much work.


I would think interacting with people would socialize me better than reading some book written by some guy with his own warped experiences.

>>14053589
>however, one advantage for men is that women are very differential in what they find attractive.
This is not talked about in the incel community. Even a pretty weird guy can be attractive for some girl, if he has some qualities.

>>14047641
M.crumps blogposts

>>14053892
Well, this has been proven by studies. You can look it up.


Wood, D., & Brumbaugh, C. C. (2009). Using revealed mate preferences to evaluate market force and differential preference explanations for mate selection. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 96(6), 1226–1244. doi:10.1037/a0015300

>>14047773
extremely based post
i used to think i was on the path to inceldom until I strengthened my platonic friendships, now my desire for romantic love has decreased tenfold - I'm happy to wait for the right person now

>>14053911
>>14053892
It's like sense of humour some people will like it yours some people will think it's lame. The trick is interacting with as many people as you can in the hope that you will someone on your level. That's where the most rewarding relationships are both platonic and romantic.
There are those I'm sure who have very little options, perhaps none at all - nobody likes their particular brand of humour. That is a great shame and work should be done with those people to help them change, should they want to, or help them find coping strategies. It is a serious issue.

>>14052760
By your logic you stop being an incel after having sex with a prostitute.

>>14053500
>in a competition both parties have a sort of respect for one another because they both hard to get to where they're, they have the respect of equals.
If you are suck, no, they won't respect you. Have you even done competition or combat sport? When you arrive in a new gym, you have to prove yourself to the other, so they'll respect you and not give you silly jokes. Most guys are okay, but there is always the one asshole, and you have to crush him, in order to shut his mouth. You sound like women are the most hard thing on the world, when it's truly not. War was 10 times harder. Yet today, behind your computer screen, you complain about women.
Also, if you want a cheat code, go to Africa. They'll jump on your white dick, even if you are a looser. But i guess you don't fuck nigresses? Every fucking advice which is given to you, you won't listen, even if it's super easy like fuck african women. My guess, the real enemy of the true incel, is the incel himself.

>>14053954
>Also, if you want a cheat code, go to Africa. They'll jump on your white dick, even if you are a looser. But i guess you don't fuck nigresses? Every fucking advice which is given to you, you won't listen, even if it's super easy like fuck african women.
To be fair to him, this is hardly good advice and I imagine it's advice given in rather bad faith. Anon has a point in that the onus is usually on the man to "prove himself," the worth of the woman already a given. I think this applies to hookup culture very strongly though less so in more casual relationship creation.
>Yet today, behind your computer screen, you complain about women.
Many men in centuries past used to complain about women anon, in times of war and times of peace. The pains of romance, they never cease!

>>14053892
>likely different kinds of attractive men is some sort of virtue
how low does the fruit need to hang for women?

>>14053970
>To be fair to him, this is hardly good advice and I imagine it's advice given in rather bad faith.
Why the fuck is it a bad advice or an adivce given in bad faith? African girls (even in the west) are super easy compared to white girls. My success ratio with african girls might be something like 5 times higher than with white. About one black girl out of ten. Perhaps even lower (1 out of 8) if you do a little text game effort. That's a super high ratio.
I don't even have problems to meet and fuck white women, but one day i'll really like to go to Africa, and fuck non stop effortlessly like a king.

>>14047980
Yes, only answer needed.

>>14054002
> and fuck non stop effortlessly like a king

coomer tier. Just watch porn, the success to effort ratio is way better.

>>14054002
You seem rather immature in the way you describe things, a sort of posturing immaturity, like a child trying his hardest to speak like his father, except your father seems to be the most base of internet pornography. Going over to live in Africa for the sole reason of possibly having sexual relations with an African lady, is very narrow minded and silly advice, I'm sure you realize that deep down though what you're true motives for giving it out I think only a therapist could tease out.

>>14053410
>go to the gym for a year
>be on a strict diet for a year
>gain some muscle
>buy nice clothes that fit well
>go to barber every 1-2 weeks to fix up my facial hair
>always smell good
>6"1
How does that fix my disgusting small penis, balding head(at 24, mind you), pasty oily piece of shit skin, hairy ass to the point I have to take a shower every time I shit and how does it fix my mentally ill, love and intimacy deprived head?
Get the fuck out of here with your "pull yourself by the bootstraps" you normie boomer scum

>>14054067
>hairy ass to the point I have to take a shower every time I shit

Well you can fix that with a bidet.

>>14054067
>pasty oily piece of shit skin, hairy ass to the point I have to take a shower every time I shit

>>14054067
So if you are a freak like you say, you are not representative of the 30% young man who don't have sex.

>>14054042
>except your father seems to be the most base of internet pornography.
Nofap 2 years and a half. You couldn't be more wrong.
>Going over to live in Africa for the sole reason of possibly having sexual relations with an African lady
Some have tried, with great success. Other have tried south east asia. With success. You complain that the power dynamics within men and women are fucked up, yet when we came with a solution which reverse the power dynamic, you say it's silly advice. I don't know what to say.

>>14054079
I don't think there are portable bidets. I'm not always at home, and the shit can strike at any moment.
>>14054087
honk honk

>>14054102
>Nofap 2 years and a half. You couldn't be more wrong.
And I'm sure the reason for your current nofap state had nothing to do with a overwhelming preoccupation with pornography, an obsession that clearly still rests with you today.
>You complain that the power dynamics within men and women are fucked up, yet when we came with a solution which reverse the power dynamic
Reversing the power dynamic is silly and resentful, it just creates more injustice and pain. Equality is what we should be striving for, and I think we are closer here in the west to that than anywhere else

>>14054102
>Nofap 2 years and a half
>retarded
color me suprised

Again with the "just have sex bro". Meaningless sex with niggers and gooks =/= intimacy and love.

>>14049202
absolutely blackpilled. look at all the cope replies, lmao

>>14052575
Pure antiscientific nonsense, if you were in front of my I'd have you institutionalized for such antisocial views.

>>14047641
Great Gatsby

>>14051596
>size queens are the most well-adjusted women because the giant dongs put the womb back in place
I should write an erotic story about that

>>14051596

Absolutely based

>>14051596
so high IQ I barely understood half of the text

>>14054300
>look at me. I am an enlightened black piller that is better than you cucks.

Cringe

>>14052314
this

>>14054459
cope (not an argument)

>>14049202
True. I have a sister and can confirm almost everything in this post. She describes chads as average looking and actually average looking guys simply don't exist for her.

>>14052203

i doubt it, but those are the qualities most relevant to women.
presumably he's just allowed his friend circle to atrophy and die away, and now, knowing nobody, wonders why nobody knows him.

>>14053480
I refuse to believe this is real. Reads too much like comedy.

>>14053389
Congratulations.

>>14054485
I have a gorgeous sister and she's dating the ugliest piece of shit I've ever seen, dude is not rich, specially funny or even tall.
He does act a lot like my father tho, so thee is that.
I have to agree that women enjoy a myriad different things and while Chads have it easier you can still find someone who will appreciate you.

>>14052438
>But I think there is a point where you're jaded enough so it doesn't matter.
There is such a point but by then, even though you could handle rejection, you've lost the drive to go through the whole rigmarole of finding a date.

>>14052835
yeah I also bet communism will get back too lol

>>14049202
Michel Houellebecq, c'est vous? Quelle surprise!

>>14051596
This is actually very based.

>Many women have an insatiable lust for as many male partners as possible, unknowingly a feeble attempt at replacing the feeling of fullness lost when the hymen is popped without a proper bonded mate to perpetually fill it

With my current girlfriend I think i have filled it. I have found in her diary (by luck) she wrote:I only want him, whoever looks at my way it's indifferent. I don't care, i don't even notice them anymore not because i don't think is moral but mainly because i don't have the need for it. I only care for 'anon' to look at me and be happy by his side and be proud like i am always.'

I also remember my first girlfriend when i was 20, she was 18 virgin at the time and she told me: You were the best one to lose my virginity to. Then after 6 months she left for chad. But she said the sex was nice so i don't know.

Maybe i'm just good at sex

>>14054067
>hairy ass to the point I have to take a shower every time I shit
most based thing I've heard this year

>>14053391
nah even actuals apollons still have trouble using tinder and such

>>14054149
Why do you think you deserve love? You think you can change society so you will have your shy white virgin girl drooling over you and love you for who you are even if you are an out of shape, whiny little bitch? This is never gonna happen incel. Never. It was always a fantasy in your head, and women never were like that. Not in the 1950s, not 200 years ago, never. Since you refuse my advices, yes this is not a debate, but kindly given advices, i propose you become MGTOW, and stop winning about women.

>>14047641
Serious answer: Pleasant Hell by John Dolan

>>14055055
What were your thoughts on this? I have seen it brought up several times here but I have never seen someone pass comment on it.

>>14054935
Yeah no. Someone needs to post those pics of a guy catfishing women with a chad pic. He was legit saying how he's a pedophile to some and how he just got out of prison for beating the shit of his last gf to others and women still wanted to go on a date with him. You're delusional.

>>14047641
most of the posts by self-described incels I saw before it was blown up by the media as some new threat source to be terrified of, it was a bunch of people who turned
>tfw no gf
into a mock-ideology, which was extremely self-deprecating.
the fact that I have to hear MSM news figures fret about the Joker movie giving sympathy for the incels before the movie even came out - and it doesn't even contain anything like that in it - shows how absolutely fucked their information gathering and processing is on multiple levels

>>14055147
Author's memoir of being a disgusting loser shithead nerd at Berkeley in the mid-70's. Very honest, vivid, painful. Also hilarious. You can tell he really likes Celine, if that makes sense.

>>14053936
>muh special somebody
not gonna make it

>>14053500
good post

>>14049202
Very well articulated. Playing the game became increasingly unbearable over the years. I'm 23 and I haven't gotten laid in maybe two years. I stopped trying entirely and accepted invisibility. I don't think I've spoken to a girl my own age that wasn't one of my friend's girlfriends or a service worker since... I literally can't remember. And I "go out" a lot with my friends. Somehow being sexless and alone is more dignified than participating in the meat grinder of modern dating. If I was good looking it might be worth it, but as an ugly man it's difficult to not be demeaned.

Funny enough this website captures it perfectly

>>14049202
To make things worse, even if you pass the match lottery, the date lottery, and the relationship lottery, it isn't over. It's never over. There is never a single moment where you can feel secure and confortable with a woman, because she is always judging you and other men wondering if she can do better. You must always perform an aggressive and dominant personality so she doesn't think you're weak, if you let the mask slip for a single moment, she will dump you.

Did you lose your job? She now sees you as an useless piece of trash. Did you cry because your mother died? She now sees you as a wimp. Did you talk to her about your problems and issues? Yikes, that's using her for emotional labour, you should seek a therapist instead, now your gf thinks you're a needy manchild.

And once that happens you can never go back to the way things were. Women are unforgiving concerning weakness. They can forgive a man who beats her, but not a man who asks for a lap pillow.

What's it called if I visualize myself as me at age 14, and have done so since age 14? I feel physically smaller than I am (6ft, 185 lbs, 'husky'). At work I am seated in a cubicle and there are people who walk around and I think, "Man they are tall." And then I pass them in the hallway and I am taller than them. When I'm sitting I visualize myself as 14 year old me next to them, it's the only way I can do it, and that's why I underestimate my physical stature. I did experience 'trauma' at 14, not abuse, but extreme social isolation that lasted years.

>>14049501
What does 'illuminated' mean in this context? The word evokes an image in my mind which I'm pretty sure is what you mean but I can't put my finger on a definition

>>14047765
Imagine larping this hard on a Filipino adobo making forum

>>14048141
attractiveness is normally distributed though, the category you should be looking at isn't the very bottom (burn victims, people with actual deformities such as myself), it's the lower middle.

>>14048354
based and some-color pilled

>>14052835
name one historical situation where this has occurred instead of a new social patten emerging

>>14053948
>You stop being a virgin when you lose your virginity
Sounds right

>>14048201
Damn bro that's me...

>>14047641
My Twisted World, unironically
Whether people want to admit it or not, the great American novel.

>>14052416
kek and I thought I was picky on tinder

>>14052711
>yet she has so many men at her disposal.
Not true, mate.
I always have 20+ matches on Tinder, and I never bother doing anything with them.
I use Tinder like most do - just a measure of how passable I am.

>>14056696
What I don't get about incels and incel-adjacent people is they'll write something like this then STILL continue obsessing over women and their sexlessness. If this were my mindset I wouldn't have any choice to make, as the person you're replying to says, if ANY relationship is always going to be this insane performative display of worth where a slip up means you lose your gf, why the FUCK would you still want that? Be sad that can't have a gf, be sad that relationships aren't what you thought they were, sure, but if this is really how you see the world why didn't you take the "dignified path" yesterday?

>>14047795

Wow, you really stuck it to the girl that some dude made up for a meme.

How do you overcome being an adult virgin? Women really don't like inexperience and it's worse the older you get.

>>14057108
Just fuck a high-end whore
Unironically

>>14054638
damn, you´re lucky, i would love to have a gf that loves me this much

>>14056696
there's no way you can win

>>14057056
>how passable I am
ContrapointasagdyaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>tfw I'm a 23 yr old man dating a girl who just turned 18
She's literally a 9/10 for most guys and she's taller than me by a full inch
She's the sweetest girl, loves God, loves animals, and she cooks amazing food for me. And just last night I stuck two fingers in her anus as I came and she had a body shaking orgasm as well.

I'm not rich, I'm not tall and I barely qualify as handsome.

>>14057073
But who's to say this isn't exactly what the person in question did?

In every thread concerning involuntary celibacy there are people claiming that "incels feel entitled to love", "incels obsess over their sexlessness" or "incels want this or that" when there is hardly any exhibition of such behavior in the thread. Over incels forums, maybe, but here for example I see mainly descriptive analysis of modern relationships, no whining or demands for sexual redistribution.

>>14057243
Sweet girls who love God don't let creepy manlets stuck their dirty hands in their anus.

>>14057254
I didn't mean to accuse anyone in this thread of doing it, but as you said it's present in the "incel culture" elsewhere on the net

>>14057243
>loves God
Dropped

>>14057266
I'm not creepy tho, she's the youngest girl I have ever dated outside of when I was in highschool. I'm just smart, charming and funny. That's really all it takes.
But you can cope with your hatred and seethe at my reality if you wish.

>>14057293
>I'm just smart, charming and funny.

So you're a psychopath. Makes sense, that's the kind of men that women desire.

>>14057325
I feel like your looking for excuses on why you can't find a girl.
I met her at a skatepark in a thunderstorm, practicing my hobby.

Maybe you need a cool hobby other than playing video games and reading books

>>14047773
>Incels statistically never seek prostitutes.
Source
An incel who has lost his virginity of his own accord, even with a prostitute, is no longer celibate and thus not an incel. The illusion that he is unfuckable has been lifted.

>>14048009
It's not nice to call women meat.

>>14047773
My mother constantly told me to shut up and pretty much avoided any prolonged conversation with me. Ironically she always wanted me to accompany everywhere. And dad quite literally built a study for himself so that he can shut himself away from the family. This didn't help when I hit puberty and became deadly afraid of conversations with people. And that, left me pretty much without any "true" friendships in my class, nor a girlfriend for all of high school.

But I've made progress in overcoming that. I began to hit the gym and willed myself to approach and speak with people. I don't want to be a victim that blames all of his problems on his parents and then does nothing about it.

Remember bros, social skills are SKILLS. Although you may be shit at it, all it takes is a single encounter to make things EXTRAORDINARILY easier afterwards. Don't be a victim. People are always preoccupied with themselves, which is something you must also do. Help yourself. Educate yourself. Look into your own problems and solve them. Not only will you find fulfillment, but also people to share that fulfillment with.

>>14049202
>That's the real pain of being an average dude.
The problem is that the "average dude" (ie. not eggman-tier ugly or a literal autismo) has the delusional and essentially feminine attitude of "I'm fine how I am" which can easily become resentment when women consistently find a 4pl8 deadlift and knowing how to cook more attractive than an encyclopedic knowledge of Star Wars or being able to play video games really fast. The sense of entitlement that's been growing like a cancer since the 80s has started to really bloom in the younger generations and there's a co-morbidity factor with "nerd culture" - the kinds of men who have traditionally been the "nerds" and "geeks" and "bookworms" used to absorb useful knowledge of some stripe but now their heads are piped full of god-fucking-awful pap and dreck from childhood so they don't even have that going for them.

>>14057108
become a monk

>>14052711
I hate these fucking stupid images. It's one data point. I know you people hate science, or whatever, but statistics is mathematics, not some fedora shit. If it happens to so many women, then it should be easy to come up with a lot of evidence, and not repost the same picture. Not only that, but this woman DEFINITELY does not use that image as her tinder profile. If you use Tinder you'll notice that women spend a ton of time and effort trying to have hot pictures of themselves. That woman looks like an autistic five in that picture, but with enough make up and and lighting she could probably pass as a 7. It's just fucking gay and self-pitying to see such a weak and flawed piece of evidence and go "YES DUDE SO TRUE!"

>>14057243
>loves God
> stuck two fingers in your ass before getting married
She should stop LARPing as a Christian.

>>14047696

Incel means involuntarily celibate, you absolute idiot

>>14058899

Jesus, you seem like one of those 100 IQ redditors that infest internet debates.

There ARE a lot of examples of that image. Even with made up pig ugly deformed women pictures getting lots of examples. You can do it yourself and see your fake profile getting lots of matches. If you post an average female profile in a city and get no matches then we'll take your data point in to account (and it would be a very contradictory data point).

Oh wait, if it isn't in a study by a psychology researcher at Kennesaw Podunk State College, published in the Journal of Jewish Sex and Relationships Studies, and chosen by Vox / Huffington Post to be misrepresented and badly summarised, then it's not knowledge.

And you haven't noticed that every 5 has the ability to wear make up and take good pictures, so men on Tinder would then come to expect that and take that in to account when swiping women.

Jesus, you 100 IQers literally can't understand dynamics. It is painful to watch you guys. It is just so painful. Discourse is being deluged by people like you who can't understand second order effects or incentives.

>>14053936
Hello incel

>>14058899

>>14053389
What is your problem then? Why are you here?

>>14054067
Literally everyone one of those things can be improved except the small penis.
>Get the fuck out of here with your "pull yourself by the bootstraps" you normie boomer scum
God forbid you use the power of your human will to improve yourself and fight back. You’re at fault for letting the world trample you, worthless scum.

>>14059073
>REEEE WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WANT EVIDENCE THAT ISN’T JUST SOME REDDIT SCREENCAP

>>14059276
How delusional are you? Have you ever used Tinder at all?

https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a

>>14047641
Confederacy of Dunces

>>14058103
>And dad quite literally built a study for himself so that he can shut himself away from the family.

same but my dad used to work extra so he could avoid going home, i never grasped why he married such a narc bitch, even worse, idk why he didn´t have the guts to stand against my mother

>>14060168
>mfw he jerks it to the memory of his dead dog

>>14060192
all females are narc bitches, and boomers couldn't stand up for anything worth a damn.

I don't need a job, but I'm trying to get a job to get away from my mom. Females need attention 24/7

>>14049202
God-tier post. I was an incel till I lost my virginity to the girl in the pic at 20 years old. She was 18 and alright looking. Ever since then I've only fucked hookers and a boy.

But to get to her I had to go trough hundreds of tinder swipes, around 10 cold approaches, dozens of twitter/insta DM rejections and getting rejected by multiple girls adjacent to my social groups.

Thing is, I consider myself above average. I'm 6'1, decent shape, good hair, pretty decent social skills. My only physical flaws are a weak chin and acne scars but overall I'd consider myself somewhat attractive.

Even the girl I did bang, I had to talk to her for months and took a train for an hour to bang her. If a guy like me has this much trouble, I can't begin to imagine the hellhole it must be for a below-average/ugly guy.

>>14053566
The moment you talk to the girl with the intent of having sex with her, you are inherently competing with every other option she has. The only out is to not try, but with that you pay the price of sexual frustration.

>>14047667
Yes, I came here to say 'Pessoa'.

Bump

>>14048937
what I was going to say