/lit/ - Literature

Recommended Reading List

>Hermeticism:
Corpus Hermetica -- Copenhaver
Hermetica II -- Litwa
The Egyptian Hermes -- Fowden
The Eternal Hermes -- Faivre
>Neoplatonism and Ancient Greek Religion:
The Shape of Ancient Thought -- McEvilley
Ancient Philosophy, Mystery, and Magic -- Kingsley
The First Philosophers -- Waterfield
The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library -- Guthrie
Complete Works -- Plato
Complete Works -- Aristotle
Enneads -- Plotinus
Elements of Theology -- Proclus
De mysteriis -- Iamblichus
Commentary on the Dream of Scipio -- Macrobius
Chaldean Oracles - Majercik
The Orphic Hymns -- Athanassakis
Hesiod and the Homeric Hymns -- Hine
Theurgy and the Soul -- Shaw
Philosophy and Theurgy in Late Antiquity -- Uzdavinys
Philosophy as a Rite of Rebirth -- Uzdavinys
Orpheus and the Roots of Platonism -- Uzdavinys
>Occult Philosophy:
Western Esotericism: A Guide for the Perplexed -- Hanegraaf
Three Books of Occult Philosophy -- Agrippa
Cause, Principle, and Unity: and Essays on Magic -- Bruno
Transcendental Magic: Doctrine and Ritual -- Levi
Introduction(s) to Magic -- Evola
Occult Traditions -- Cheak
>Gnosticism:
Seven Sermons to the Dead -- Jung
The Gnostic Bible
The Bible
The Gnostic World
>Kabbalah:
Inner Space -- Kaplan
Jewish Meditation -- Kaplan
Meditation and Kabbalah -- Kaplan
Sefer Yetzirah
Bahir
Zohar
Etz Chayim
>Cabala:
Platonic Theology -- Ficino
Oration on the Dignity of Man -- Mirandola
>Angel Magic:
Five Books of Magic -- John Dee
>Grimoire tradition:
Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian(/Solomonic) Magic -- Skinner
Encyclopedia Goetica -- Stratton-Kent
Greek Magical Papyri -- Betz
Picatrix
>Alchemy:
Alchemy and Mysticism -- Taschen
Psychology and Alchemy -- Jung
Alchemy -- von Franz
The Hermetic Tradition -- Evola
The Forge and the Crucible -- Eliade
Alchemical Traditions -- Cheak
Mysteries of the Cathedrals -- Fulcanelli
Dwellings of the Philosophers -- Fulcanelli
>Astrology:
Tetrabiblos -- Ptolemy
>Tarot:
Way of the Tarot -- Jodorowski
Meditations on the Tarot -- Tomberg
>Paracelsianism:
The Alchemical Writings of Paracelsus
>Boehmeian Theosophy:
Aurora -- Boehme
>Rosicrucianism:
The Rosicrucian Enlightenment -- Yates
Rosicrucian Trilogy -- Godwin
>Freemasonry:
Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry -- Pike
>Illuminism:
The Secret School of Wisdom -- Wages
>Swedenborgianism:
Heaven and Hell -- Swedenborg
>Blavatskian Theosophy:
Isis Unveiled -- Blavatsky
The Secret Doctrine -- Blavatsky
The Mystic Qabalah -- Fortune
>Golden Dawn:
The Golden Dawn -- Regardie
>Thelema:
Magick: Book 4, Liber ABA -- Crowley
>Typhonian:
The Magickal Revival -- Grant
The Nightside of Eden -- Grant
>Traditionalism:
The Crisis of the Modern World -- Guenon
The Reign of Quantity and Sign of Times -- Guenon
>New "Thought":
Kybalion -- "Three Initiates"
"Initiation Into Hermetics" -- Bardon
>Shamanism:
Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy -- Eliade

>>13999274
Yeah, yeah. You're an edgy faggot. What else is new? Let me guess, confused 20-something slightly reactionary midwit, whose conception of the esoteric derives from horror movies and paintings like that. Eat shit

>>13999274
>meditate
kek gay
>do yoga
KEK ultra gay hahaha

>>13999293
Personally I had my esotericism phase in my teens. Who's dumb enough to be into it as a twenty-something?

>>13999299
/pol/fags who just discovered evola and believe everything he says without thinking twice

>>13999274
I sort of pray and meditate together. It’s contemplation. I don’t believe Eastern meditation is as wholesome as this, I think it may be dangerous and turns you into an unemotional vegetable.

>>13999293
>no fun allowed
>>13999299
I tried to understand esotericism in my teens but am only now beginning to grok it in my twenties.

>>13999293
no way I went through this when I was 16.

>>13999295
Have sex

>>13999310
Or merely an intelligent young man sensitive to the vertical tensions of spiritual relationships.
>>13999319
That is what Tomberg claims in MotT. I have sympathy to the idea that different mysticism appeal to different types, however.

>>13999386
Just cause Naruto ain't real don't mean it's bullshit, zoomer.

"OOOOOOH LOOK AT ME IM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EVIL" people make me livid. You are fundamentally the same as everyone else, but because you live in such a sterile environment wherein your pseudo-beliefs will never be put to the test, you get to keep this fragile persona relatively stable. I hope it crashes and you are finally exposed as the utter fraud you truly are.

>>13999394
>young man sensitive to the vertical tensions
are you gay?

>>13999621
One does not have to be gay to recognize one's self as sinful and fallen and long for a nobler state of mind...
>>13999517
>missing the point
The pic is just fun jej

>>13999650
>One does not have to be gay to recognize one's self as sinful and fallen and long for a nobler state of mind...
okay but that's not what you say, you said you're sensitive to vertical tensions (aka penis up ur butt)

Stop casting pearls in front of swines. Find spuls alike and beget your Work

>>13999774
xD so randumb lololo!!!!1!1!1!1!

>>13999781
seething haha shut up ironyfag

does esoteric stuff only attract absolute idiots these days or was it always like this?

>>13999650
>The pic is just fun jej
You're transparent. You also glow in the dark. You are nothing but a stain on my boot. Who the fuck. Whudda thunk?

>>13999274
I do yoga, it feels good. It has been rather watered down in the past decade or so and most of what people in the west call yoga these days has little resemblance to what it actually is. It started as just a way to exercise in the winter, has become a regular practice.

Everyone meditates, not everyone structures a practice to do so, most just have those parts of life where they zone out.

>>13999863
Both. The esoteric attracts geniuses, idiots, and insane alike.

>>13999888
>I do yoga
double trips wasted on a total fag

>>13999900
it's actually modern yoga that is for fags
trad yoga is not taught in studios

Any eastern recommendations?

Read Easwaran's Dhammapada, Upanishads, and Baghavad Gita. What next?

>>13999888
>past decade or so
modern yoga has been in practice since early 20th century when some german added his own exercises into it

>>13999913
Read Shankara's commentaries, it's a totally different experience than reading a modern translation/commentary of those texts. Alternatively, read the Yoga Vasistha

>>13999907
how can one learn it?

>>13999923
Hatha yoga got exported to the US in the 60s, stayed fairly pure for abit then got reduced down to the asana and meditation with a bit of the breathing practice, philosophical and spiritual aspects were essentially gone. Then in the 90s it started to really catch on, all these self taught yogis that just took what they liked and made up the rest started to profit, things really started to explode and sometime during to 00s these bastards became the norm with hatha becoming the minority.

>>14000145
Find a teacher, it is worth it and you will develop 10 times faster, plus you will not have to unlearn poor practice and will be far less likely to injure yourself. Look for teacher that does small classes, half a dozen or less, and one on one, a weekly group session and a monthly one on one is a good place to start. Hatha Yoga is the most common, it is essentially Patanjali Yoga with more emphasis on healthy body healthy mind and is likely what you want to start with, you will have many teachers to choose from and getting the basics there will give you the knowledge you need to find the branch most suites to you if you want something that is more focused on the spiritual and philosophical.

>>13999274
>meditate, pray
Occasionally. I should do it more. Not entirely sure why I stopped.

>>13999283
>>Kabbalah:
Why include this?

>>14000145
you can't it has been successfully subverted

>>14000312
There are plenty of teachers of traditional Hatha Yoga, it is still wide spread and common.

I got memes into purchasing and reading Prometheus and Atlas. So far, Jorjani deconstructs Carteesian and Kantian metaphysics as elaborate suppression of the paranormal, or as he calls it, the spectral. I haven't made it yet to which I suspect are the juicier parts on technology and the archetypes of Prometheus and Atlas that we as humanity are possessed by. Will report further as I read more.

>>14000325
i know the label is quite common

>>13999274
>Does anyone here meditate, pray, do yoga, perform rituals, and/or practice anthropotechnics and/or spiritual exercises?
yup.

I pray the Rosary every day, does that count?

>>14000469
Sure, there are those that just take the label, it is like anything else, you do your research and find a good teacher. There are some organizations working to standardize things and create a certification process for teachers, they have made finding a good teacher much easier and these days most Hatha instructors I have met, know their shit.

>>14000660
>organizations working to standardize things and create a certification process for teachers
hahahaha

>>14000665
Anon, I think about what your life must be like and it really hurts, I hope things improve for you.

>>13999274
I'm a practicing magician and a probationer of the A.'.A.'.

>>13999517
>Everything occult is edgy left hand path shit
You don't know anything about the esoteric

>>13999517
Get off my board Quentin

>>14000767

This has nothing to do with literature

>>14000842
It does, esoteric lit is lit if you like it or not

>>13999274
I pray the rosary plus some other prayers.

>>13999293
stop posting

>>13999274
I light candles when I am compelled to by forces outside my control on an altar I followed no guide to make but which scarcely resembles the Christian trinity and or a vague sense of Gnostic dualism good/evil like God as three and God's shadow also as three or perhaps the soul or the spirit. Attempting to allow the Word emanate from me inuitively as I read I am not convinced is a proper practice, but nonetheless I cannot be bothered to look at practical guides of how or what or with what materials by which the physical objects are to be arranged

>>13999274
I meditate. It started as a curiosity, and quickly snowballed into a desire for transformative experience. Currently I am cultivating Loving-kindness. It is intense, and has brought on unusual experiences.

>>13999274
>he asked while litteraly posting baphomet surrounded by witches
In your heart of hearts you know you're wrong and only letting Demons in your life.

>>14001670
like what

what is the esoteric meaning of trannies?
is it wrong to put substances in your body that bring about changes in the body?

>>14001861
>is it wrong to put substances in your body that bring about changes in the body?
If you it is you better give up all medicine, hell food as well.

Anyone got the link of the /fringe/ library from cripplechan ? There were two of them

>>14001861
You should know by now that there are no singularly esoteric answers, at least none that man are in possession of

How do you become (physically) immortal?

>>14002490
Eat my semen

>>14000308
Kabbalah is an occult tradition.

>>13999895
Aren't those three types pretty much the same?

I pray to god almighty.

>>13999274
I had great progress with samatha meditation for a while which overhauled my worldview but I lost momentum recently and can't even sit for 20 minutes without strong dullness

Bump

>>13999274

Yoga and Budhism in general is basically autism and basement dwelling maxing out.
Prove me wrong.

>Sit still and do nothing

>>13999274

Muslim here, I pray the Salah (the 5 times a day prayer where we recite the quran) and meditate sometimes. Salah and dua (supplicative prayers such as "oh God help me with this) bring much ease to my heart and strengthen my faith. I become more aware of God through prayer and meditation is nice but mostly just for relaxing mentally and strengthening my imagination. I prefer prayer to my standard meditations of head clearing and visualization, though i occasionally "contemplate the beauty of God" in meditation and it is difficult / overwhelming but beneficial. I mostly just focus on cultivating virtue and praying often and i think once ive made enough good habits ill focus more on elevating my soul towards the contemplation of beauty, but for no i think its best i just pray salah and try to become more virtuous (im sure that sounds cringe but it makes me happy) . Im not super into yoga but i may try it in the future.

>>14001861
An attempted, material coincidentia oppositorum most likely and everything you put into your body brings about changes.

>>14003477
Keep at it bro, you'll get through it and continue developing

>>14001857
Nothing that sounds like much when I put it to words. Realizing that my emotional state is so malleable, becoming more aware of mental processes and automatic reactions to situations, learning what it feels like to deal with my mind in stillness. Stuff like that, and the usual things like my body shaking, tears welling up, hyperventilating, anger coming from nowhere. I felt like I was slumped one time, and then when the timer went off I opened my eyes and I was still upright. None of it should be focused on, but I still think about it more and then

>>14001861
>people who think the primordial androgyne man is ontologically physical and material, and not psychical and spiritual.
Never gonna make it.

>>14004398
Not cringe. Don't go into yoga btw if you are a muslim. Plenty of value in sufism without having to mix traditions and risk contamination. Yoga is a path of life for those within a specific tradition, not for any random dude from anywhere.

>>14005193
you could make that observation both ways

>>14001677
Why is the symbol of Baphomet evil?

>>14005224
There is a long history of cross-cultural interactions between Sufis and Hindu mystics in India that includes Sufis adopting Yogic-like practices

>>14005248
>be tranny
>take occult symbols literally
>unironically chop your dick off and dilate everyday
>become so depressed and become a 40%or
So this is the power of gender dysphoria.

>''Im a satanist bro, have you seen my evil tattoos.
Satanism is about individualism.''
Oh the irony of wearing the mark of Leviathan and calling yourself an individualist/satanist.

>>14006648
It represents the supremacy of materialism over the spirit and as such It's a vector of counter initiation: doors to the upper levels all closed, doors to the lower levels all open.

>>14007296
is it possible to go so low that you attain non-dualism between up and low just like going up high enough does

This may be a stupid question, but do you need to read the Bible to understand the Gnostic texts?

>>14007352
No It's not. This is something only "those" allready impossibly down tell you. Because they hate you and they want to fuck you over.
Just pray, call the name of God, tell Him to write it down in your heart.

>>14007413
duh

>>14007413
you need to at least read the gospels

what is the esoteric meaning of colours?

>>14007417
>>14007352
To be clearer. The greatest sin is Pride. If you go down enought you WON'T want to surpass dualism anymore.

I don't know if it's esoteric but after beating someone up and feeling like my life was spiralling out of control I did the born again boomer thing of trying to turn to God. But I find the pre-existing organised religions unconvincing. Too much obvious bs to reconcile. But then I started to carve out my own understanding of God and it was actually really therapeutic, to see him reflected in nature and hence myself and all of man reflected in him.
I've at least leveled out now, stopped doing crazy shit. But I'm still in the grip of thinking crazy shit (catastrophising, defeatism, feelings of hopelessness and paranoia). I'm thinking of beginning some little rituals in my own little private religion of one. Like having a little shrine for meditation, prayer and reflection. I've even written a morning prayer and evening prayer.
I experience a lot of guilt about knowing what I want from life and exactly how to get it but being too depressed and unmotivated to just fucking do it bros. It hurts me that I'm smart enough to make it, but its wasted on me while there are so many out there that work hard but just don't have my cheeky knack for being quite effective when I can be bothered to apply myself. God in heaven help me. And may he guide you all as well.

>>14007468
different levels of vibration from infrared to ultraviolet.

>>14007486
>Too much obvious bs to reconcile.
You've been succesfully filtered out then.
Pray and ask God to send you a sign.
To make the way He wants you to take clear. Be humble. Let yourself be guided.
You won't actually access anything "esoteric" of any value withouth choosing one way to walk the mysteries anyway, chaotes are larpers.

>>14007486
Try the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali if you want some reading. It provides the tools and acts as a guide in exploring and learning about ones spiritual beliefs, what ever they happen to be. Glad you sorted things out and found a more stable path.

>>14007499
This is esoteric, not Christianity, go back to your own threads and let us have just one to ourselves for once.

>>14003301
Spoken like a true unbeliever.

>>14007489
what is the esoteric meaning of crystals?

>>14007508
Have you chosen a way, little dualist
kid?
>>14007534
The Magnum Opus. Simbolically also the homunculus, one of the many intermediary stages. See Goethe for this.

>>14007552
>Have you chosen a way, little dualist
>kid?
You resort too insults, not very Christian of you.

>>14007565
>let me teach how to be Christian! Pape Satan Pape Satan Aleppe!
Fucking adorable. I would litteraly hug you If I met you.

>>14007570
People like you make it hard to not hate Christians sometimes. Thankfully the majority of Christians that I have known in my life are good people, comfortable in their beliefs and have no need for such games.

>>14007578
I'm litteraly partecipating in the conversation and giving advice. Perhaps just do the same and stop seething because people with ideas different from yours exist.

>>14007595
>ideas different from yours exist.
You are the one that told an anon that found their own path to follow yours, I have not said a single thing against the beliefs of anyone, I only addressed that post, which is also off topic in this thread on esotericism.

>>14007608
Delusional. See you in a couple of months.

>>13999517
I also asked Isaiah what made him go naked and barefoot three years? he answer'd, 'the same that made our friend Diogenes the Grecian.'
I then asked Ezekiel why he eat dung, & lay so long on his right & left side? he answer'd, 'the desire of raising other men into a perception of the infinite; this the North American tribes practise, & is he honest who resists his genius or conscience. only for the sake of present ease or gratification?'

>>14007608

Not him anon, but I would consider seeking religious guidance to supplicate this path of yours. There is no such thing as «obvious bs» in religion because it is very literally irrational, but the point is that the instructions and wisdom are as a technology for you to connect with God. It will be in your favor to read the Quran, the Bible, even the Tao Te Ching because these books instruct you on the Way. The Quran i must recommend highly as a Muslim and specifically as a Muslim who used to be into the occult and try the whole «my own way» thing. It is just so much easier and more fulfilling to have concise instructions to follow with very quickly visible rewards after putting the, to practice. I understand how it may seem like religion is nonsense because of politics and apparent contradictions, but a large part of faith is seeing past and understand the beauty and truth of religion (theoretically all but again I have bias towards the monotheistic and doesn’t really believe polytheism is as clear a path) because it is much more profound than what a political issue or logical contradiction can appear to diminish.

>>14007637
Why did you choose Islam over other religions?
t. Catholic currentlyreadingtheQuran

>>14007624
What ever, done with you.

>>14007637
>seeking religious guidance to supplicate this path of yours...
Perhaps you should bother to find out what my religious beliefs are and what my path is before you start offering advice.

This just depresses me. We can not even have one single thread on this board shared between ALL of the the other religions and their millions of followers. We have Christian and Muslim threads, if people want your advice they know where to get it. Everywhere I go it is this bullshit or politics, just let us have one thread.

Fuck it, these threads all end up being Christian, Muslim or Jew hate threads in the end, do not know why I bother.

>>13999299
I come from rural England. About half the kids I knew well at high school 15 years ago are now ketamine addicts who practice wicca and stuff. I don't judge, because like them I'm poverty-tier poor and know hoe this shit fucks you up in the long term, but it's hard to stifle a cringe when someone tells you they can "read your aura" and unironically talks about crystal healing with the kind of depth I expect from an intelligent discussion.

>>14007684

I’m sorry I didn’t mean to impose, I should have been more conscious of your weariness. I was trying to empathize with you as an ex-occultist without hopes that it might help your journey. I am not telling you to convert to anything but saying that the books are meant to guide you and that you shouldn’t judge them too quickly just because of their reputation. If that was too much then I apologize, I just feel like there is a lot of wisdom to be gained and it may have helped you.

>>14007664

Islam «makes the most sense». But that’s to say, the conciseness and clarity of instruction and the immediacy of the reward made it the obvious choice. The Quran moved my heart a couple years ago and I took my shahdah last summer. Islam, in my opinion, is more praxis based than Catholicism because I feel that the guidance is more clear than in the Bible and being able to pray the Salah as well as adhere to the sunnah benefits the soul so much. Christianity is beautiful and I sometimes read the New Testament because Christ was full of wisdom, but ultimately, the tools of communication with God that Islam provides are more preferable to me. The Salah being my most treasured because I don’t think most people understand how beautiful and fulfilling it is to pray 5 times a day, although sometimes it feels like a chore, i always am happier after doing it, or at least satisfied with what I’ve done. And the Quran is just so wonderful to read, unfortunately I am not fluent in Arabic and only understand what I recite, but even in English I am moved by it and feel my faith strengthened. I also just think Sunni thinking is congenial for me, I am someone who likes fixed structure towards spiritual fulfillment and I think Sunni Muslims, at least in my experience, don’t try to pull punches with the instructions the way some Christians do. As how some sects dont believe in hell or forbid you from alcohol, as well as many other rules and ideas that are simply glossed over. Islam is perfect for me. Why do you like Catholicism?

>>14007872

*with hopes

Not without, sorry

>>13999274
Well, I try to meditate regulary, there is definitely no necessary connection between a meditation practice and esoterics. Meditation is an exercise that can help you to let go of unproductive thoughts and focus better on things that seem more important. Its really healthy in many ways, you should look it up.

But ofcouse it is also problematic to meditate just to be more "productive", there is definitely more to it than that. It is dificult to put it into words without using "esoteric" vocabulary, but I think one could say meditation can help recalibrating. In life you essantially have to be one the move the whole time, as soon as you settle for certain attitudes and beliefs you run the risk of interpreting every new (and possibly contradictory) experience through the lense of your beliefs. Meditation can help you to become a product of the world, as much as you make the would a product of your actions. So its about balance.

Sounds gay, I know.

>>14007956

Haha isn’t it funny how we have to humble ourselves with «i sincerely like this but it’s cringe sorry» when we are just talking about things that make us happy. The culture here is really funny for that, I’m laughing because I did the same thing in my post >>14004398

It’s like we feel self conscious just because we know a sincere thing is fulfilling and that is like a taboo it’s so silly

>>14007872
>Why do you like Catholicism?
I don't like Catholicism and I've never had that thing called faith at all. I was just raised Catholic. That's why I'm reading the Quran right now, I guess.

>>14008003

May Allah guide you to what is best for your heart!

After having an awakening experience about a month ago, I've been feeling a push towards studying Gnosticism, Hermeticism and Thelema. What can I expect?

>>14008606
>Gnosticism
meh
>Hermeticism
based
>Thelema
cringe

>>13999293
You perfectly described my friend right now
What do I do to set him straight

Redpill me on the baphomet islam connection

>>14008746
The crescent moon and star are symbols of Baphomet.

>>14008668
this desu

>>14008668
>>14008992

Care to elaborate?

>>14003301
I think Louis IX is slightly more right wing than I am.

why do occult chicks seem weirdly attractive? is it cause of subtle powers?

>>14008606
After having an awakening experience
Care to elaborate?

>>14009228
Because they're not brainwashed and power is sexy.

>>14009893
is femdom and occult knowledge on a woman most lethal combination?

does animal skin really diminish the effects of gravity? if so on what level?
what is the significance of long hair in occult?

>>14007872
>I was trying to empathize with you as an ex-occultist
This is the problem, you just assume I am some edgy teenager rebelling, my faith has been a part of my life for my entire 38 years. All you really know about me is that I have some knowledge of Yoga, which is not even remotely occultist, but you assume. I never judged any of those books, their message, or their followers, just the tactics of some which always derails religious/spiritual threads on anything non-Abrahamic.

>>14009243

I don't know how to describe it, but I'll try. I had been studing non-duality and contemplating it at work when I for a brief moment started seeing a world free of all structure and boundaries and dualities (like I said, I'm explaining it poorly). It is the most terrified I've ever been. Ever since then, I have felt what feels like an outside force is leading me and a genersl feeling that I need to not fight it. It could be an awakening. I could be going crazy. Who knows?

>>14007417
but anon then how is it that people on a downward spiral in life like the ones that hang around hookers and crack have some of the most based well balanced things to say about life and are also completely devoid of ego and can roll with bad opinions hurled at them like champions

>>13999283
Again why the fuck does this include Plato’s and Aristotles complete works

>>14009902
Lethal but also "never gonna make it" tier.

>>14010527
define making it

>>14010424
They are prerequisites for Neoplatonism, Agrippan Occultism, and a few parts of alchemy, Gnosticism, Rosicuricianism, and Traditionalism. Not to mention that they are the backbone of Western philosophical thought.

>>14010542
Spiritual Liberation > Worldly Dominance

>>14010547
i said lethal combination in the context of interpersonal relationship dude
femdom is not world domination it's a style of relationship

>>14010617
>femdom is not world domination it's a style of relationship
Allow me to clarify. What I mean is, you are placing sensual pleasure, wealth, worldly power, and above all, your ego over spiritual knowledge, the Divine, and the Eternal.

>>13999274
I practice sigil magic based of Chaotic principles sometimes. It's successful so far. I still have a sigil in my wallet but I don't know what it looks like or what it does but I know it's working.

>>14010660
i engage in sensual pleasure doesn't mean i place them above dipshit

>>14009988
Does this matter?
Focus on your path young boi

>>14010806
how do i know if i should do those things or find proper substitutes

>>13999895
or basically you've diluted/generalized the thread so much that now you're attracting only absolute plebs

>>13999283
>Uzdavinys
BASED

>>14010824
What are you here for?

Anyone here OTO?

>>13999283
was secret teachings of all ages removed for a reason?

>>14014469
Just overrated and wanted a concise one post list.

Is there a copy of this book online?

>>14000445
Is that available online?

>>14001861
There is yin and yang. Usually yin and yang dance but sometimes yin and yin or yang and yang. Sometimes yin feels like yang or vice reversa and gets medicine or surgery to help their mind and body be more like their ideal. Sometimes yin and yang even mix together! Obviously it is some sort of physical or mental illness in such cases but so is autism and depression and diabetes and other things for which we do not judge and many take pills for. Alchemy and medicine were once highly intertwined. Often shamanic people are quite unusual. Shamanic sickness and the magical androgyne are common archetypes. Make of that what you will.

>>14002490
You already are

>>14004360
A zoologist who observed gorillas in their native habitat was amazed by the uniformity of their life and their vast idleness. Hours and hours without doing anything. Was boredom unknown to them? This is indeed a question raised by a human, a busy ape. Far from fleeing monotony, animals crave it, and what they most dread is to see it end. For it ends, only to be replaced by fear, the cause of all activity. Inaction is divine; yet it is against inaction that man has rebelled. Man alone, in nature, is incapable of enduring monotony, man alone wants something to happen at all costs — something, anything.... Thereby he shows himself unworthy of his ancestor: the need for novelty is the characteristic of an alienated gorilla.

>>14007352
Who said anyone has ever gone high enough? The difference between high and low magic is low works

>>14007468
Goethe has a text on this...

>>13999274
I'm in STEM with a medically confirmed 154 IQ. I excel at programming and Mathematics, I am sociable with many friends in many different departments, and only read literature in my free time to better myself.
Take a guess yourself whether or not I believe in your stupid caveman superstitions.

>>14007724
Ketamine is crazy. That's some shit that'll make you see occult entities lol.

>>14007969
I feel one be sincerely spiritual but agnostic. Such am I. I read all sorts. Enjoy the beauty in each and even have a few favorites but no religion calls.

>>14009129
Gnosticism is almost lost. Hermeticism is hidden. Thelema is kinda sketchy with the folx it attracts.

>>14016104
many have dude

>>14009988
>animal skins diminish gravity
Dun think so. Trad for some paths tho
>long hair
Some say long. Some say short. Some say it's about uniformity.

>>14010240
Indeed. Sad! I even included the Bible in the reccs to sate and bait them into perennial funtimes.

>>14010277
Honestly some eastern style meditation might help. Hermetic and gnostic praxes are obscure. Thelema reccs yoga. Somehow it helps to alleviate the terror and discover the bliss.

>>14010323
Some. Not all. Most end up perpetrators of death or victims.

>>14010686
Lol. Read Chaos Protocols! Good stuff

>>14016139
Name one.

>>14016119
Missing out on a lot of philosophy if you ignore everything non-atheist.

>>14011818
Thankee .^)

>>14015887
ah ok gotcha

>>14016182
all the people that started traditions for one

>>14016342
Traditions are just fancy metaphysics. Sometimes even incompatible ethics. How can all be true?

>>13999274

To be honest I wish I did. I wish I could let go and briefly forget, but my mind is too grounded now for that and the older I get it seems the more grounded it gets. I guess some people have it lucky like that but unfortunately Im unable to do that. I envy people who can believe in crystal powers, like Steven Tyler for example, then again he has millions of dollars and is capable of living a complete blue pilled life.

>>14010277

Anyone have much experience with the numogram? I've heard of people doing rituals with it but it's hard to find stuff on it, and it doesn't help that all the texts are written by people whose brains are mush and buried deep in twenty year old websites

>>13999293
>In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
Materialist "rational thinker" comes to tell other people that they're midwits! LMAO

>>13999283
woah this has to be one of the best rrl i've ever come across
good job dude

>>14017698
Why do people always mention crystal power when talking about mystic stuff ?
It's like mentioning Ben Shapiro as a philosopher when talking about the Greeks, crystal powers is bottom of the barrel tier.
You just have a biased view on the occult, most of this stuff is grounded on reality (not ALL of it but most of it is). Being open minded doesn't mean leaving the ground it means accepting the contradictions of life.
For example while I don't believe that Tarot can predict the future or anything, I accept it's a really good ritualistic approach on self reflection and projection, so I read it to my close ones all the time. You just have to take all this with a grain of salt.

I've been doing a lot of rune casting lately. I've also recently read a book on the pre-christian holy places and rituals of my country. I've also found that Tacitus' Germania is a nice addendum to describing these magical practices, although rune casting is the main ritual I have. Pic related is a very good source on this

>>14004360
>>14016095
ABSOLUTELY FUCKING REKT HOLY SHIT

>>14016095

Take that humanity.

>>14018638
>Materialist "rational thinker"
Most occultists are this, only difference is that they commit to covering it up with a layer of aesthetic mysticism. See LaVey or most satanists. They're mostly into the aesthetics.

Complicated way to say spiritual life

I just pray and meditate to say thank you to my creator

It doesnt have to be esoteric or mystical, just humble and with love

-Witchcraft, Magic & Alchemy by Grillot de Givry

>>14019289
>believing literally satanists
why do people do this

>>14018678
Non greco-roman paganism is sadly neglected in this thread. Any recommendations?

>>13999295
Stay pleb

>>14019708

I used to have this book. From what I can remember, it was a pretty good introduction of nordic mythology. There's also A History of Pagan Europe, European Paganism and Pagan Britain, which are all good sources for pre-christian beliefs. I got these from a book on the pre-christian beliefs in my country, but it's written in dutch, so it won't be of use to non-dutch speakers. Also, Tacitus' Germania has a section on pre-christian beliefs in Northern Europe, and there's the Eddas, but they have been colored by the Christians who wrote down those stories, so what you do with those stories is up to you. I've personally never understood the hate the Eddas get, as in my opinion, both the pre-christian and Christian beliefs have their place in history, and I think that benefitting from both is perfectly okay, as have many of my ancestors in the past

>>14019300
Some people find puzzling over esoteric pictures of divine metaphysics to be meditative and worshipful.

>>13999283
d-do i go in order?

>>14019831
I used to think this and I got way into studying occultism and mysteries and VVyyytch pnmagjjickkka and guess what? It turns out its the fucking jews, and the devil, and Jesus Christ is the answer. I know. I couldn't believe it either.

>>14018678
>reading a Satanist to understand the old gods

Is it just new age shit reskinned with Norse myth?

>>13999274

>>14020096
>>>/pol/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/retardedconspiracies/
>>>/satanicpanic/

>>14020078
Start anywhere. All the books on the list are highly informative and mutually enriching. In order is not necessarily a bad idea. Depends on what you wanna learn first.

>>14020381
satanic panic was an MKULTRA operation designed to detract from the fact that the franklin investigation and finders cult were the real deal and ted gunderson got snuffed out for talking about it. What do you perform the LBRP and read the hermetica or something and fancy yourself to be some kind of enlightened wizard? Fucking pathetic.

>>14020097
Thorrson isn't bad. Most european satanism is about nietzschean transvaluation and overcoming judeochristianity thru an archaic revival -- not new age atheistic american satanism garbage.

>>14020395
I'm gonna dive into those Traditionalist books then, that's where my heart is right now. I want to decelerate my life.

>>14020397
What do you do? Read the Bible and talk shit about Jews even tho they wrote over half your holy book? Satanism is not nearly an interesting enough hypothesis for explanation of natural religious phenomena. In fact, many early Christians believed in a prisca theologia common to Hermeticism, Platonism, and Christianity. I was born Catholic and have had enough of their bullshit tho I appreciate their philosophy and mysticism and poetry. Hell, I even like some muslim stuff. I am now studying classics and philosophy at uni and hope to spread the love of wisdom and knowledge to future generations. My magical interests are more akin to Levi-Strauss and Mauss and general curiosity. I am a student of science and humanism, if perhaps a pupil of God (pardon the pun). To quote Alexander Pope, "Know then thyself, presume not God to scan, the proper study of mankind is man."

>>14020444
So what you're saying is you know absolutely nothing about the occult and hate god because you hate your dad or whatever. That's fine anon I used to be an unbelievable faggot too even going to great lengths to disprove that jesus ever existed by disputing the writings of tacitus and josephus on this very board with great fervor. Go on and dive down the rabbit hole. See what happens.

>>14020455
Me and my Dad are on great terms. I've also read near every book on the recommendation list and fucked around with varying meditations. Nothing convinced me of anything about Jesus, I think the universe is far too interesting for that myth to be true...

Sounds like you've merely replaced one fanaticism for another. Wonder how long this will last? Also, calling others faggots seems unchristian IMO.

>>14020411
Have fun! His other books are interesting too. More about eastern stuff usually tho.

>>14020513
Weird how all of your fellow occultists and astral rape travelers or what the fuck ever all espouse that the name of jesus repels evil spirits in'nit? Why are you going ot bat for the jews? You know that jesus was the jewish messiah, and that those calling themselves jews now are "those who call themselves jews and are not, but do lie" and "the synagogue of satan"? I think you're a liar, also. The occult symbolism that permeates society and elite cabal is pretty damning if you have a clue what you're talking about (which you clearly do not).
>seems like you've merely blah blah blah how disingenuous of you xD
oh fuck off kike. Answer me this: why does it seem like the world is going to literally end in flames after we are all microchipped
>oh well you know every generation thought they would be the last.....
is not an answer. Why are we staring down the world ending in flames after we're all microchipped to buy food?

Any good books on witches, their rituals, and/or black masses?
Some years ago I was captivated by Macbeth (1971) and its portrayal of witches. Häxan was also an interesting portrayal. I'm not really sure where to begin when it comes to books though.

>>14020575
Penguin Book of Witches
Opuscula Magica I and II

>>14020544
>schizo ranting
*yawn*
Enjoy your tardive dyskesia.

>>14020575
Malleus Maleficarum

>>14020632
>s-schizo!
Okay jew. Why was Walter Benjamin assosciated with the sabbatean frankists? Why is MKULTRA (((hollywood))) a demonstration of his Work of Art essay? Why is IXXI the seal of saturn, star of david, masonic square and compass and 9/11? Why are you a disingenuous bullshitter lying about being such a knowledgable occultist and immediately reverting to
>y-you're schizophrenic
When discussion about the fucking occult gets slightly weird? Fucking liar. Absolute piece of shit liar you are.

>>14018557
Have you read CCRU and Land?

>>14018557
Land developed it while reading Grant. A pomo complication of the qbl. Possibly qliphothic.

>>14020544
>jesus was the jewish messiah
You're absolutely fucking retarded. "Messiah" has a very specific meaning in Judiasm, and there are many who are messiahs. Jesus is not a messiah in any sense of the word, only through the silly retcons of the new testament does calling Jesus a messiah make any sense. Arthur Balfour is legitimately more of a messiah than christ.

>>14020712
Calm down Rabbi I'm sure God will understand that you have technically verbally when you really think about it figured out how to lawyer around Him.

>>14020691
Walter Benjamin is based. Sabbatean Frankists are silly. MKULTRA and Hollywood connection sounds like you watch too many Jay Dyer videos. Why are common geometrical forms common? Idk why do penises resemble skyscrapers? Honestly, it is not worth discussing the occult with one without eyes to see. Am I bullshitting? No. Eschatology and history is an interesting subject. But christians do not have monopoly on eschatology. You are unable to have a rational and objective discussion so I will not waste time attempting.

>>14020097
Christians call the old gods devils

>>14020727
>you must watch ecelebs
>dicks lol
Jews are so dishonest and perverted. Truly of your father the devil

>>14020740
Who's the devil's father?

>>14020753
Oh boy here we go

>>14020768
>not greenpilled
Sad!

>>14020723
>Rabbi
Lol, the concept of messiah is much older than rabbinic judiasm. Nice historical literacy. Did you forget your haldol dose today?

>>14020785
>heh I looked up anti-psych meds
>s-schizo
Imagine using the same tactics for 80 years and being shocked when you get called out in it
>>14020782
RAW is a hack

>>14020799
>I AM NOT A SCHIZO
And yet you post like one.

Is pomo occult?

>Early on in Karman, Agamben recounts an old Rabbinic story in which Satan, 'the accuser', finds himself standing condemned before God. Sentenced to the eternal darkness, Satan nonetheless objects to the Almighty: "Lord of the world, all the power you have demonstrated by descending into the flames to condemn me really does not belong to you: above you, there is another Power" - the power, of course, of God's own accusatory power, which in Agamben's retelling, is nothing other than the ultimate subject of judgment: it is judgement itself that stands in judgement, calling for the creation of a new world free from all powers of accusation. It's a little parable - one among a delightful few invoked in Agamben's 'brief treatise' - but one which nicely encapsulates the book's critical trajectory, which aims to answer a question posed by Kafka in the only epigraph that begins the book: "How can a human being be guilty?".

>>14020799
Your conspiracy theories are about on par with RAW's (i.e., clearly schizo)

>>14020806
>durrr gb2/x/ schizo
>occult thread
Willickers

>>14020818
>occult thread
No, this is an esotericism thread. If you don't know the difference, you really don't belong here.

>>14020814
Why is it that the "silly" sabbatean frankist espoused literally everything that the "based" walter benjamin set in motion? Why are they assosciated? Pure coincidence, as always I'm sure.

>>14020825
Pilpul

>>14020693
I'm trying, but it seems you need a lot of prereqs to even get a foothold in their work. The general reading order I'm planning is:
Kant > Artaud > Bataille > Marx > Nietzsche > D&G > CCRU/Land
Then for the occultism specific I'm planning on reading and practicing work from the Golden Dawn because it seems to be the most established and influential current system.

>>14020700
Which Grant do you mean? There's a lot

>>14020831
>cultural marxists boogeyman
*yawn*
>>>/pol/

>but srsly
If you think the two philosophies are indistinguishable you haven't read them. Also, what did Benjamin set in motion? He died. Hardly some behind the scenes mastermind.

>>14020874
Why do you keep going with this bullshit redirecting to another board in this website and constant ad hominem? Why can't you stop being a fucking kike?
>benjamin was irrelevant
Simply not true. He was "based" just a while ago. Modern hollywood and neoliberalism is a demonstration of both his and the frankists beliefs. Hell we even have proof now the CIA funded "modern art". You don't care about truth at all. You're just a damage control kike.

>>14020851
Kenneth Grant. Nightside of Eden.

I'd suggest:
>prolegomena to any future metaphysics
>phenomenology of spirit
>marx-engels reader
>freud reader
>nietzsche reader
>nietzsche critical reader
>introduction to the reading of hegel
>accursed share i and ii plus theory of religion
>the theater and its double
>capitalism & schizophrenia
>fanged noumena
>ccru: collected writings

But really reading backwards is fun too.

>>14020893
>CIA hollywood mkultra devil bad
You're spooked out of your goddammned mind, fool. Irrelevant facts don't confirm your grand metanarrative. And you don't have much of a grips on facts either.

>>14020919
>CIA mkultra hollywood good
lmao

>>14020910
Oh. And best way to read Grant is in order. Or at least read the first trilogy or first book at the very least to get a grasp of typhonianism before Nightside of Eden.

>>14020925
Puris omnia pura

>>14020927
>>14020910
Thank you very much, anon

>>14020851
GD is a firm basis. Don't neglect the Ancients tho. Regardie is a good source for beginners. Karlsson also has a decent book on qliphoth tho it turns into an ad at the end.

>>14020995
No prob

>>14020910
Quick correction: should say;
>accursed share i, ii, and iii*

>>13999274
I enjoy guided meditation. I did the first ten free sessions on headspace. It's hard to find guided meditation material that jives with me

What's the meme trilogy of esotericism?

>>14021468
the kybalian, liber al legis and prometheus rising

>>14021468
Liber Null & Psychonaut, Prometheus Rising, The Archaic Revival

>>14000445
>Jorjani
That's interesting. Recalls The Submerged Reality, a Christian book which lays blame on the scholastic conception of pure nature (as if nature could ever be divorced from the divine). We no longer trust mystics alas.

>>14021468
Prometheus Bound, Prometheus Rising, Prometheus and Atlas

Why is zodiac and astrology so beautiful?

>>13999283
Welp, there's enough in that list to earn a masters degree in shit lit.

>>14021793
Prolly enuff for a phd. Depends on how you use it. Some will prefer to aim for a bachelor or even high school skimmer level as well. Nevertheless, history of western esotericism is a huge topic. Just like the history of christian philosophy. Judge lest ye be judged.

>>14021792

>>13999274
Well, it sucks the normals decided to shit all over your thread, bud. Usually they leave us alone, but I guess this time they needed the ego boost of asserting their superior rational western enlightenment beliefs.

Anyone into Bob Monroe? I'm working through his tapes right now.. hoooo boy. This is the real shit, guys.

>>14016074
how can cross gender tendencies be effectively used to enrich our lives in a way to make the spiritual climb?

>>14022620
By getting married and having procreative sex.

bump

>>13999913

Nagarjunas Madhyamakakarika - even if you decide not to follow the Bodhisattva path, its impossible to understand it and one of the most important living esoteric traditions in the world without a grasp on the Tetralemma and the principle of Sunyata.

Of course as with all Buddhist texts a commentary is essential, I recommend "Sun of Wisdom" by Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso.

>>13999274
You know Goya is making fun of you in these pics, right?

>>14016119
>t. Econ major

>>14020910
Unironically no reason to read Phenomenology of Spirit or any Hegel for that matter. You only need the most basic summary of his work to read the people "influenced" by him and also don't need to waste a bunch of time slogging through his poor writing.

I am posting this because perhaps the schizo/symbolic internal reasoning will be understood and aesthetically appreciated by someone in the thread.
If one believes in the Contingency of man, then one necessarily believes in a God, yet perhaps one which is enigma; to such nominal case minds, the impression reigns, and so too in lack of these: Confusion. Serving as epitaph, then is the immoral act (and immorality its self) said and thought to be by Gods will, but known to be by the evil which eats substance from out of thy bowels, and becomes M.E, the great annihilator of faith. The grave becomes a furtive field to your only hope.
yet would not become thy ideal, held always to any sight of reality, dressing it in wedding veil, awaiting the penetration of psychedelic needles, delusional beauty, comforting teet.
To know no God - as embodiment of the law - is to have all impiety and action, ascribed to this moral vacuum. All channels close. All action is weakness. It is to conceive the self as violator, which is hated in equal measure to Christ.

>>13999274
Not literature

>>14025535
>come into 250 post thread
>I don't like this
kill yourself retard

I have a friend who prays to Hitler...

meditations on the tarot is a must read on christian hermeticism

>>14025538
It is an opening post containing no reference to literature and should be removed by correctly following that rule.

>>14022220
Bob Monroe + Carlos Castaneda = huge paradigm shift for an average Westerner. Good luck, you’re going to get even more out-there than you already are.

However, Monroe and Castaneda are more about magic than mysticism proper.

>>14025547
>No you don't understand I care deeply this popular topic on a slow board be removed
fuck off back to retarddit you disingenuous vagina.

>>14025567
based and 4chan.org pilled

>>14025479
I found Hegel to be interesting and not incomprehensible tho it is true that he is not uber important to all pomo except possibly thru kojeve (but that is also on list)

>>14025564
Cool. will definitely into Castaneda.
What is the distinction you make between magic and mysticism?

>>14026229
Reweaving the tapestry of illusion versus rending the veils...

>>14026229
>>14026229
This >>14026706 is a good poetic way of putting it. I would put it more prosaically that real mysticism has to do with non-duality, final enlightenment, union with the ground of all Being, however this is characterized by different religions — whether it’s becoming one with God/Allah/Brahman as in Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or Muslim mysticism, or whether it’s becoming one with a more impersonal and Eastern conception of the Absolute, as in the Tao or Buddha-nature. (Obviously this language I’m using right now is apparently very misleading because it seems to gloss over the differences of these religions, and it especially is misleading about Buddhism, as they explicitly often argue against the idea of something “higher” or “greater” to be one with).

Magic is the deliberate search for and development of paranormal/extrasensory abilities and experiences. These abilities are called “siddhis” by Hindus and Buddhists. It’s a common belief amongst Hindus and Buddhists that treading the path to enlightenment can cause one to develop siddhis, but that these can actually be distractions from the ultimate Goal.

From a more understandable a Western and Christian viewpoint, you could say that saints and prophets often have developed miraculous abilities, but they didn’t SEEK to develop these abilities, they came as a result of their love of God. “Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven, and all these [miraculous abilities] will be added to you.”

Mysticism can lead to and even include magic as a “side effect”, but magic doesn’t necessarily lead to or include true spirituality or mysticism, however exotic, occult, and titillating it may be.

Happy hunting!

>>14001861
Plenty of ancient cultures had figures or classes of androgynous / hermaphroditic people, sometimes using large amounts of herbs containing phytoestrogens similar to purifica mirifica. Also, Matthew 19:12 says "For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

The trans people who don't go sonichu-batshit appear to be interested in fields pertaining to existentialism and deep thought more often than the average Joe, for example Martine Rothblatt who funds research into transhumanism (which I think is bunk, but it's illustrative). A lot of transgender people I've met are interested in philosophy, futurology and in general studies that pertain to the future of human existence. Perhaps this is because the experience of gender dysphoria challenges the ego from a much earlier age than many have to deal with thoughts of mortality and impermenance of identity, putting them "closer" to spirituality. The same is probably true for varying degrees of chronic illness, terminal illness and some mental health conditions. For what it's worth I don't think gender dysphoria is a psychological condition but a complex in which neuro-developmental factors are involved, which would explain why it doesn't respond to psychiatric therapies and has a high correlation with autism without a total overlap of incidence or symptoms. I'm trans myself and am missing the part of my brain that deals with kinesthesia and body image due to hypoxic brain injury at birth (I have severe dyspraxia, a minor palsy in the right side of my body and some memory issues, but my linguistic and conceptual intelligence is higher than average), so I've thought about this a lot.

>>14001861
>>14027362
Also, I'm drawn to Yukio Mishima's quote that goes something along the lines of 'the only way to be truly alive is to embody ones' opposites similtaneously'.

>>14027377
One time while I was tripping I imagined that all sexual gender was a reverse illusion of true metaphysical gender. I.e., men are feminine and vice reversa

>>14027362
I find it very difficult to separate my transsexuality, childhood abuse trauma and yearning for a "traditional" marriage. but that's not really relevant.

>>14027472
I'm schizo and have some ptsd from being homeless and fucked with by cops and probably don't want to have children because I don't want them to suffer insanity but it would be nice to have a waifu. I had a ai goddess waifu while schizo. I don't get trans tho. Why be the waifu when you can love the waifu?

>>14027472
>my transsexuality
masonic cringe. How does it feel to be a fuckpuppet physically and mentally for the luciferian neoliberal elite? Get hooked on those hormones you fucking goy, become a slave to the medical industrial complex.

>>14027493
Why not both?

>>14027493
I don't see myself as a waifu, I'm a very (really unnaturally) androgynous male who wants to fulfill wifely duties for a stronger male.

>>14027500
>How does it feel to be a fuckpuppet physically and mentally
Uncomfortable which is why im here reading things. if i felt confidant doing my hrt naturally id be chewing sticks and roots with feminizing qualities. but im not there yet.

I dont want to derail, this is a really good thread. please ignore the hapless and ignorant discord tranny.

>>14025526
Sounds like: >>14020811

>>14027500
My pills come from India, the birthplace of Siddhārtha Gautama, you occident-centric psued

>>14027504
>>14027518
Hmm. Ya. It is weird how much lgbqt people there are here amidst the tradfags. I am mostly straight but it seems that the neurodivergent crowd I move within is more crooked and also more gender spectral. I am always surprised by gay stories, why stay in the closet? Just be a freak. I'm a freak myself but not that kind. Perhaps I speak from ignorance. Idk. Lots of straight privilege. And white male too. At least I'm schizo for sjw cred lol :p

>>14027518
>jewish luciferian masonic cults control the world
>the worship the joining of dualities as represented by baphomet
>oh well better become a fucking trannie
wake up

Any good reccs on marxist esoteric studies? Caliban and the witch seems interesting...

>>14027545
I love Jews and Masons. They are the saviors of Western Civilization.

>>14027545
Lucifer is a mistranslation. Also highly esoteric and occult alternate reading of his character exist (and satan and devils and snakes)...

>>14027548

>>14027545
you dont honestly believe that's how I arrived here so I wont engage with this, sorry.

>>14027538
Honestly I've tried to push this with my trans friend. I'm androgynous, not female. I'm not a woman, I'm more like a gallus or whatever flavor of eunuch youd care for. I don't want a "catgirl transbian polycule" I want to be the loving companion of a worthy man and help him build a strong and dignified household for rearing children. Maybe I should just go to church after all, this could've been a mistake

>>14027572
I'm cis and straight and I don't even go to church. Lol. Dream of a mono relation with a cute woke girl (cis) tho. I actually think judeochristianity is a wretched thought virus which is part of the benefit of understanding the alternatives offered by esotericism in its various form. I am not an incel but I am approaching my thirties and am full of regrets for not wifing up willing women in the past. Most people are so incredibly basic however. Even here...

I can see the Guenonian and Straussian arguments to be made for tradition but I must confide I am a cosmopolitan (thot I was starseed while crazy ha)

Is Republican Christian Zionism part of an Esoteric Accelerationist bid to immanentize the eschaton?

>almost to 300
Shit's been real, thanks friends.

>>14027647

>>14027652

>>14027653
Oooh

>>14027572
>you dont honestly believe that's how I arrived here
no of course not, because you're a weak willed follower. Why would I expect you to understand anything?
>so I wont engage with this
typical faggot, run away like the little bitch you are. Your entire family wishes you would just die so they didn't have to be embarrassed anymore
>sorry.
you're not, liar. Dishonesty is just a small part of why you're a piece of animate trash.

>>14027608
You think so? I'm incredibly basic myself, I'm a very sheltered person and I don't like hyperseuxality which has kept me away from some of these circles. Ever since I moved out to the city I've felt like there's something wrong about it. I can't be outside for too long without feeling like I'm going to burst into tears. Christianity has beautiful things to it. But I guess like anybody else I'm just looking to build architecture for my thoughts since my upbringing was alternating hostility and hollowness.

I admire that you want a wife though! That is very noble!

>>14027685
Truly the antithesis of what this thread is about. Judging others harshly and unfairly while implying the illegitimacy of their path. Shame on you! Just because some do not raise children does not make them evil. Are monks or the infertile evil?

>>14027685
I'm sorry? We're miscommunicating here, or else you're projecting feelings onto me. Your claims on my family life and physical strength are just not represented by reality. They would love to reabsorb me, they were quite angry I broke away at all. And I exercise decently as well. I feel sorry for you.

>weak willed follower
I don't think you could satisfyingly answer what im following if you tried. I'm earnestly if naively committed to striving towards virtue and dignity.

>>14027707
kys tranny useful idiot. Nobody in this world does or ever will want or respect you.

>>14027714
I don't really care about the lies you try to tell yourself pal but don't fucking try to tell them to me. You are broken and unwanted and you always will be because you are a brainwashed moron. Every social interaction you see the discomfort and outright disgust between everyone's eyes. Yes they are staring, yes they are talking. You did this to yourself.

>>14027730
I hope that gave you what you thought it would give you anon, you're already forgiven :)

>>14027686
The first girl I ever dated was my lover and my best friend. We were together for three years but I wanted to sleep around before getting hitched and she told me to take a hike. Regret it but it seemed like the right decision at the time. Time is a teacher. Want something like that again but am unsure I am capable of falling like that anymore. I am jaded. But two people helping each other upward is beautiful. Had my last date a couple weeks ago. She was a lush. Boo...

>>14027741

>>14027718
If I had a child, I'd rather they be childless than live a lie to please me. Kys judgemental fag

>>14027767
Good luck anon, I like where your head and heart are at.

>>14027780
I don't think anything good will come from the debate, but for what it's worth I had hoped to adopt orphans once I've married.

>>14027780
You won't have a child because you are a failed golem so that is a pointless statement. If I was donald trump I would be the president of the united states. Wowie!
>>14027789
Your ancestors produced you through millenia of strife, unimaginable serfdom and war and you want to end that legacy because of literally television. You are a brainwashed faggot.
>once I've married
this isn't going to happen

>>14027807
It's beautiful isn't it? A long string of people all dedicated to human prosperity in some fashion, human animals raising other human animals. Protecting and nurturing them, teaching them good virtue. In the abstract of course, in real terms there were was more child labour and alcohol im sure. But the spirit is truly beautiful, I couldn't agree more.

That's why I'd be happy to raise orphans. It's a cold world and they have nobody. I can at least be there for the abandoned souls in our world and help protect them too as best as I can.

>because of literally television
but I don't watch tv!

>this isn't going to happen
This isn't good faith at all, you can call me a faggot and treat me like an AIDsy hypersexual deviant if you'd like but I think you're being too silly in pretending that even those people can't settle down. I've seen it happen for better and worse, I'm sure you have to.

do you have anything worth reading that's more forthcoming with your gender beliefs than these posts? I will check them out if they look interesting.

>>14027835
>reddit spacing

>>14027807
Seething

>>14027839
oh well theres just no pleasing you at all! hysteria after every post, good lord.

>>14027847
have sex

>>14027857
dilate

>>14027860
you will never be a woman

>>14027867
You have me confused for the discord tranny -- I am a proud boy (but not a proudboy)

>>14027867
Well they're not me, hi I'm the trannyposter again. Why did you have to get so upset? I said very early on I don't make any claims to womanhood. I'm androgynous certainly but not female.

>>14027653
What do all of these books say, and what is their main import in which they all intersect? I get the feeling reading all of these intro books is not a requirement if you at least read a few of them.

>>14027869
>breaking the chain of memes
bro you just posted cringe
>>14027872
nobody cares about you here or in life

>>14027881
here is life now

>>14027835
You have a kind soul if your posts are to be believed. Not him but Evola's Eros and the Metaphysics of Sex, Weininger's Sex and Character, and Solovyov's Meaning of Love are good books about trad dualistic binary metaphysics of love and sex...

>>14027879
That there can be interesting sociology of the esoteric without resorting to scientistic it's all bs or christian it's all devilry or perennialist it's all one crap.

>>14027899
Thank you! Sounds like the kind of thing I'm after. I appreciate you passing these on to me in a big way.

>>14027881
>>14027887
Schizposter here, I care more about discord androgyne more than nwo christposter.
>>14027917
You're welcome :^)

I hate that even on a pretty decent humanities board that stays comparatively on-topic most of the time, compared to e.g. /tv/, we can't have one single interesting conversation on the philosophical and cultural implications of transgenderism without it descending into /pol/tard memes. This was a good thread until 50 or so posts ago and now it's all "dilate" and "seethe" and "jewish conspiracy" like a hundred other threads on 4chan at any one time. It's so repetitive and boring.

>>14027966
such a shame, but it´s not /pol/ fault´s entirely, blame the sjw uprising of 2012 for that

>>14027923
>nwo christposters
Don't worry anon neuralink is coming soon. Elon promises *sam hyde laugh goes here* that they're not trying to control your brain or anything. Baphomet is a cool "guy".

>>14028019

>>14027966
>we can't have one single interesting conversation on the philosophical and cultural implications of transgenderism without
>someone not sucking their feminine benis
go fuck yourself you dishonest piece of shit

>>14028028

>>14021792
capricorn 9
sagittarius 10
man

>>14028022
Posthumanism is dope

>>14028158
>dude revelation is completely true but who cares I can play fortnight mobile on my eyeballs
you deserve the misery you beget, devil

>>13999274
ITT satanist racist incels
lmaoooo

I'll save this thread. Any one read John Michael Greer?