/lit/ - Literature

a confederacy of dunces

>>14022670
Go outside for two hours a day and careful observe the landscapes, the people, the sky, the lights. Do it in a naturalistic way, no "muh society", "muh system", "we are doomed bullshit". Look at things as things. They existed before you, they will outlast our dumb society throws at them. So fucking look at them for a chance. Then go home and write about what you saw until you feel exhausted. Do that for a month. If two hours are too much start with half an hour then increase by half an hour a day.

By the end the month you should have written the equivalent of a short book. Then read it. And think.

>>14022677
May Fortuna's wheel turn in your favor

>>14022681
My good sir, are you an autodidact?

>>14022670
read murakami's norwegian wood

>>14022670

Good Old Neon, unironically

>>14022670
>Recommend me some literature to free my mind and help me see life in a different way

I can't.

What you're struggling with is the single oldest problem of humanity, the problem of the desinfranchised, the lonely, the ostracized. While I may recommend you Dostoevsky, Psalms, Cioran, Camus, the Book of Job or anyone who has tackled this issue for the last thousands of years, none were succesful.

Why? Because you are right for hating this world. For you and most men who have ever lived, there truly is nothing to love. The tribe simply does not want you, and you are right for not retributing a love that is not there. You were dealt a terrible hand and your greatest expectations from life are getting the same results that average people get by doing nothing at all, yet for that you must work ten times as hard as they do. You are ugly, you are mentally ill, you are alone, you are late to the sex game, you are late to the education game, you are late to the sports game, you are late to the hair game, you are late for life. You sadly lacked the looks, the love and the status for anyone to want to wait and rescue you - as sadly, it only happens to those dealt a better hand.

Many of the aforementioned writers pondered solutions to this problem of being meaningless and broken. The most popular solutions are God, someone who will be with you as to scare away the certainty that you're walking through the valley all alone, reminding you that there is some great plan and relief to the terrible life you were given and that you are not simply rotting away; and other solution seems to be simply ignoring the suffering and learning to find joy in overcoming your terrible luck, which might just work as long as you live in isolation since you won't witness as much how your life is struggling not to kill yourself while others are able to laugh, love, have fun and feel joy.

Sadly, there is no solution. There are only strategies to cope with the failure.

>>14022835
infinite jest, unironically. Incels should all read this.

>>14022670
>I'm angry at society for being so shit
you're angry because you did nothing but play video games and watch TV in your formative years and now you blame others for your gross laziness and lack of ambition (parents, society, feminism etc.). The fact that you posted that as your pic related is telling. He's literally you isn't he?

>>14022670
The book of disquiet.

Pessoa was an incel malcontent as well, he didn't even want his work published he was so reclusive and defensive.

>>14022810
>Norwegian Wood

OP can't relate to a college-age nerd who has friends a sexy older pixie girl who wants him for no reason.

>>14022884
he doesn't need to relate

>>14022872
your parents are responsible for you up to age 18
your formative years being bad are not your fault

do you even understand the concept of raising?

>>14022874
To think that Fernando Pessoa lost at life makes me so fucking depressed. He was a genius. If he lost, what are teh odds for me?

>>14022887
If OP ended up in a place in his life where he wrote that post, whatever his parents did did not work. They did not care that he was growing up a loser. Many such cases.

>>14022699
No, I'm as cucked an heterodidact as they come. But I've found writing my own thoughts and observations sincerely, no matter how dumb they come out, and trying to refine them over time, to be a very rewarding and purifying experience. Reading books by better authors is great but it might end up dazzling, confusing and overwhelming you. At some point you need to get in touch with your own inner language, to speak to yourself, plainly, in your own words.
I've often felt like OP and often read to get better. Quite regurlarly it would make things worse. Going outside and thinking about what I saw much more rarely failed me.

>>14022889
I don't think he saw it as losing. He just lived a very different life and poured his heart and mind out explaining it. Why don't you try describing yours through art, you may surprise yourself.

>>14022903
I did it already.

Nobody wanted to read it.

>>14022887
>your parents are suppose to babysit you 'til you're 18
>its all their fault for fucking you up
no wonder you losers end up lonely and confused

Thus spoke zarathustra.

I think many of these disenfranchised and depressive types may relate to the last man.

>>14022887
>WUAAAAAH FUCK YOU MOM FUCK YOU DAD

>>14022908
Then read more and write more. If you're passionate about it you'll put the work in until it improves. And if it's not your passion then try something else. That's really the only advice you can give to someone that doesn't know what to do with their life.

Bukowski didn't "make it" until his 50s. People thought Erik Satie was a musical idiot in his youth. Improving yourself is always more satisfying in the long run then wallowing.

>>14022936
yeah but unnironically.

>>14022910
>>14022936
>not a single argument
I accept your concessions.

>>14022951

>lost virginity
>have a couple close friends (like, basically brothers to me, talk to them every day, hang out every weekend)
>Not on bad terms with family, talk to them daily
>Currently studying for a STEM degree like a good little middle class drone
>still hate life deeply

>>14022966
What stem degree? I think I'm in a similar situation to you.

>>14022966
My life irl

>>14022681
Not OP but this sounds like good advice. I'll try it, thanks anon

>>14022971
Programming/math. Going to go into finance I guess? Life still sucks for me though. I don't give a shit about whatever company, bank, or corporation ill be working for, they don't do good in the world. I don't want to lose that many hours of my life to them, but I have to. Intellectual work drains me, working a full time job, even if its not manual labour is enough to prevent me from really putting my heart into the things I love; reading and writing, my sport (that I used to do competitively, at a high level), music. School right now feels like a death of my soul, and I fear it will not be revived when I start working. Imagining my future life of meaningless work, followed by an unsatisfying, dulled, and hamstrung form of what my life could be like.

>>14023102
you sound exactly like the guy i work with. drop me the first letter of your name just cause i'm curious now?

>>14022887
Yes, that’s true, but at the same time when you become an adult it is 100% on YOU if you let the experience turn into resentment against your parents, the world, or whatever else instead of working on fixing yourself. If you have enough agency to understand how you are damaged, and that it stems mainly from your upbringing, then you also have the agency to begin solving the problems that others never helped you to.

>>14022670

>>14022910
>that image
Damn that was intense. Did fridgebro make it alive? The suspense is killing me.

>>14022681
Unironically this. I live on a very natural campus and taking walks at night and just observing the natural world while there aren't people around tells you a lot. You can start to observe how other living creatures observe human society and react to it as well.

I think at this point, I've mapped most of the wildlife families around my campus and can locate them on and off every other night at least.

>>14022889
you know he was gay, right? Proust may have been a genius too. but he was gay, too. Maybe the sad irony now is that straight men and especially white men are the outsiders.

>>14023102
Physics/philosophy for me. The only stem option that didn't make me want to completely give up. My goal right now is to get a programming job and work remotely. I have zero corporate loyalty and I hate the idea of commuting to one of those toxic open offices. I also love reading/writing and playing music. I just want to move out to some rural area away from all the bullshit and work on passion projects. I live in bc, so I think living in the woods would be beautiful. Maybe I'll travel someday if I stop being lazy. As of right now though, everyday seems grey and I still have 3 years to go.

>>14023127
and yet, we grow in stages, and every stage is connected. I find that whether it's resentment, or humor, or gratefulness, each "mode" of response to say, my childhood and background, ends up repeating an unsatisfying pattern. That is, to some extent, not all things can be "fixed." The really revolting emotions just refer back to "objective" approaches - what Cognitive Behavioral Therapy was supposedly meant to help curb - seeing the world as it is, and observing that it's incomprehensible. Things happen justly or injustly and keep happening, and that's it, and one day, you won't be there to notice your observations of things anymore, or, maybe you will.

>>14022670
Unironically just become Christian or read Ted.

>>14023220
To be fair that's mostly conjecture. Any non-sexual male back then was assumed to be homosexual.

>>14023266
good luck brother, we're all gonna make it.

>>14022910
Holy keks, that image! I haven't laughed that hard in months. I just a break from reading and decided to open /lit/ and everybody in the hookah bar are staring at me from crushing my sides. Tonight was a good night for /lit/.

>>14023267
>blah blah blah determinism etc..
stop coping and start doing something you lazy fuck

>>14022670
>male
I really doubt that

>>14023220
No, Pessoa wasn't. Stop trying to claim the voluntarily celibate as homosexuals.

>>14023127
>tfw know this and have made many connections of my life and my line of thinking to my childhood/adolescence experiences yet don’t know what to do with it.

>>14023267
We can't choose where we came from, but we can choose where we go. You can argue that your whole life was predetermined from the start through genetics, geographical placement, socioeconomic standing and your parents. My counterpoint is, what good does looking behind instead of forward do for you? Seems like wasted thought and energy to me.

>>14023266
>being a codemonkey sounds like freedom to me
Lmao

>>14023266
>. I live in bc, so I think living in the woods would be beautiful. Maybe I'll travel someday if I stop being lazy. As of right now though, everyday seems grey and I still have 3 years to go.
Read Into the Wild by John Krakauer before you do anything stupid like living in the woods

>>14023366
If I can live wherever I want comfortably while having the spare time to work on what I want, then sure it's a pittance of freedom. There are many people with more constraining lives with less pay and less free time. What's your idea of freedom? Win the lottery, be a neet with no options of ever travelling and seeing the world?

>>14023366
Codemonkery is extremely dull but also often very overpaid. If you're pretty frugal with the right job you can save enough in one year to live 3 years by yourself.

>>14023375
I mean in a rural house, I don't plan on living in a tent or boondocking. I also dislike wild potatoes so I'm not too worried.

>>14022872
Everyone wastes their life these days. In the past you were forced to do shit. People shouldn’t have the option of playing video games all day.

>>14023442
Now people choose to waste their lives. That's the saddest part about it. The idea of people in their early 20s wasting their youth playing a game is really depressing. At least read or do something generative.

>>14022894
>>14022910
>>14022936
Bluepilled posts. If a child has parents who abuse/neglect them, are mentally ill, addicted, or in marital conflict (especially with domestic violence), that child in those circumstances is not properly socialised. On top of every normal challenge in life (which they may or may not get assistance with), the child has to deal with developmental trauma. They often adapt unhealthily to do so. A significant amount of drug and alcohol addiction, crime, sex addiction, workaholism, food addiction, and medical issues can be explained by this kind of trauma. Having shit parents is how Evil reproduces itself (see the childhoods of Hitler and Stalin) and it is absolutely an explanation for someone failing in their life. The test is whether such a child can take responsibility for that mess and find a way to live well. Blame is a dead end. But you guys are scum... mocking people who struggle with life is low.

>>14022681
>landscapes
what if you live in the middle of one of the biggest and poorest cities in the world?

>>14023511
It's a balance of nurture and nature and you have to live with what you've been given. The true test of character is what you do with the tools you have. That's why pretty much every hero has a tragic/unlikely backstory, it's the highest virtue of humanity.

>>14023552
Then look at the slum. Even the boring areas of the Paris suburb can look riveting at night in my experience, with those artificial lights.
Are there many people in your town? Is it busy, bustling with life, full of strife and sound? Are there precarious buildings, odd architecture, improvised constructs? Wild or tame animals in the street? All that is fertile ground for observation.

I got hit by life really hard after I dropped out of college. I now smoke weed daily and spend lots of my free time watching marxist youtube essay videos and video compilations of police brutality. What literature do I read to free myself from this angst ridden cage I've found myself in?

>>14023552
Go to a free art installation/gallery. Walk strange streets at night, surely there's a park somewhere in your city, you could find famous landmarks nearby and explore them. Idk, interesting people find ways to be interested.

>>14023574
I read crime and punishment when I was at my lowest point and Raskolnikov struck a chords with me. Dostoevsky also despised the marxists so perhaps it'll challenge you. Suttree as well was a good reflection of my low-life habits and defeatism. I also read the sun also rises around that time and I found some similarities between "the lost generation" and ours. How they'd escape into vices and didn't have much purpose.

>>14023568
>Ah yes, the riveting slums at night
I'm not getting stabbed thanks

>>14023588
The parks get dark, and people get robbed.

But hey, art installations are not a bad idea. But yeah, even walking around my own neighborhood, which is relatively serene, I've had some nasty encounters with people.

>>14023642
>>14023568
>>14023588

I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses tho, I love observing. And there are cool places pretty much everywhere, the city is so diverse. But walking around at night ain't gonna happen, that's just asking to get robbed, and that's anywhere around here.

>>14023574
Marxism as a prescription for living your life in capitalism is a dead end. Remember, the revolution is brought about by the materialist dialectics, by conditions getting so shitty under the contradictions of capitalism, that leftism eventually prevails. Things are getting worse, sure, but it makes no sense to refuse to live in the world while they are getting worse. Just ride it out, and if it gets bad enough in your lifetime for a revolution to happen, just don't be a part of the ruling class.

>>14023642
That sucks man, but yea check out if there are any free concerts or art installations in your area. That's what I'd do if I had limited options and I didn't want all of my entertainment to come from a screen. Universities usually have free/cheap events like that.

>>14023574
I also quite liked homo deus if you're looking for non fiction.

>>14022856
This is fucking depressing

The reason the situation is called hopeless is because there's no way to get help.
You're fucked.

>>14023711
The truth always is for those who aren't on the top.

>>14022856
>You were dealt a terrible hand and your greatest expectations from life are getting the same results that average people get by doing nothing at all, yet for that you must work ten times as hard as they do.
Nailed it.

>>14022670
grow up

>>14022902
>At some point you need to get in touch with your own inner language, to speak to yourself, plainly, in your own words
this is fantastic advice, can really help to cut through a lot of the bullshit and catalyze your mind into seeing things from a new and fresh perspective

>>14023328
you are very closed minded and emotionally fucked

>>14022670

>>14022670
The Qur'an and Dabiq magazine

>>14022856
Wow fucking nailed it Anon. This might be the best post on 4chan right now.

>>14022670
Stop being so bitter at others and take responsibility for your own fate. yes logically others had huge influence on putting you where you are but moving forward you're the only one who can or will shape things in the direction that you want. Get on it. Bitterness and inaction will leave you with more of the same.

Reading books won't stop you being self absorbed, in fact that will make it worse. Books are a comfort zone, letting you stay in your self absorbtion. You have to put the books down and interact with actual people

>>14023552
>biggest and poorest cities in the world

I think I found your problem senpai.

>>14022856
I appriciate your style. Ever wrote something seriously?

>>14022670
Your big problem is that you have failed to shake the notion that you are special.

>>14023951
>Dabiq
Based Isis anon
>>14023552
what city are we talking about?

>>14023568
> odd architecture
everything is exactly the same, as cheap as possible, nothing the buildig owner might have liability for, prevent homeless from showing up...
> wild animals
drug addicts leave needles, sodomites leave shit-covered condoms, africans leave chicken bones, and every so often you hear about someone being attacked

>>14022670
Change up your attitude a bit and fuck rich chicks?

>>14023143
Fridge bro got arrested after fleeing to Minnesota. Owed like 20-40k for the house. Probably in jail, there’s arrest warrants out there.

All I’m getting from this is white boys feeling fragile for no real reason besides their own lack of drive.

>>14022856
>which might just work as long as you live in isolation since you won't witness as much how your life is struggling not to kill yourself while others are able to laugh, love, have fun and feel joy.

Well put. I'm of the opinion depression and suicides are rising simply because sad people can see more clearly how shit their lives are. If you were a peasant in the middle ages you didn't get to SEE the orgies of the nobles and the high clergy. Nowadays if you're poor, you get to look at the mansions and the cars you don't have. If you can't have sex, you get to see the thousands gorgeous women you're never gonna fuck. If you live in some shit-hole, you get to see the New York skyscrapers and hear stories about what it's like to live in such cities.

Some might advise you to leave all social media. But is it good for a person who is already isolated to abandon the only remaining social space they have?

Wonderful post. If you've ever written anything, a short story, a novel, a poem, I'd be very interested in reading it.

>>14022670

Watch "A torinoi lo" or "The Turin Horse" by Bella Tarr. It's about what happened to the horse Nietzsche saved before having his mental breakdown. It's an art movie, and can be "boring" at times, especially if you're only used to Hollywood stuff. But watch it till the end.

All of Bella Tarr's Movies deal with the ugly, broken, lonely people of the world. Do not expect some feel good bullshit. His movies are as cynical and pessimistic as they come. Yet, somehow, you'll come out better (if that's even the right word) after you watch them.

>>14022670
The Bible

>>14024922
Straight middle class white men have it harder than anyone

>>14022966
>still hate life
Why?

>>14024932
I understand there’s no hand outs, but doesn’t the lack of actual draw backs outside your own head balance it out?

>>14024961
I was just making a joke about self pity

>>14023143
does it matter?
if he lived, would it make you happy or sad?

>>14024961
A nigger?

>>14023511
>Stalin
>evil

Brainlet

>>14023749
That's a very egoistical way of thinking but okay, loser.

>>14022670
How about we take a look at what the very force that is "destroying" the society has to say about life and humanity:
http://antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/Revelations_of_the_Insider/Hidden_Hand.html
And your life is fine anon, you have a better foundation than most of the world, loneliness and sadness are the inevitable expressions when you understand the nature of average humans.

>>14025579
The fuck is this schizoid waffle?

I've decided to become angrier about the world and it's helped a lot desu. I used to think I was easygoing, but actually I have just been beaten down over time. I stopped feeling depressed when I stopped blaming myself and started trying to change things, or being angry that I can't.

Honestly OP, all that Jordan Peterson, CBT, how to stop giving a fuck is just learning to be happy whilst your world is sad. It is wrong, wrong, wrong.

>>14023366
I literally exist in the situation that anon wants, I work an hour and a half a day and get paid for eight. But sure, I'm certain going in each day to the offices of McGuferben and Temmiwinkie at law or the NuttSack engineering company for 10 hours + commute is a superior existence than that of a codemonkey like myself

>>14022670
Join a community organization, retard.

>>14022872
>Pretending that blame matters
Explain how your theology implies free will right now or you're a fucking halfwit.

>>14022670
>Recommend me some literature to free my mind and help me see life in a different way.
I'm currently writing it. It's called :
Das Chad, on the struggle of international incel proletariat.
I will post it on this board in a couple of months.
It will give you a direction in life.
Stay safe and comfy for now my fren.

Transformation Mastery

Just hate society even more

>>14026243
those sort of things don't exist anymore.

>>14022699
i m a different person but i am an autodidact. my parents taught me how to read and sort of how to write some maths all of this when i was 7 then no other schooling ever. im 22 now. i didnt graduate middle school preschool kindergarten, highschool etc

>>14026959
i live in a first world country (america)my dad is a manic depressive oil painter cunt and my mom is okay

>>14022856
The amount of victim complex in the world today. If you only knew how powerful you are

>>14022670
>late 20s
my nigga it’s over

>>14024740
No fuck off retard. It's not about me being special, but I am going to be pissed off that I am constantly suffering. That's completely in line with how anyone would act in my situation.

>>14023552
Even better

>angry
Mega cringe
>late 20s, nothing going on
Do something then, or look for something you want to do.

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>>14026909
This but unironically

>>14023511
You got it. I got nothing to add.

>>14022856
the strangest thing is that we are made to feel that these feelings of disenfranchisement or loneliness are an aberration of the norm, belonging to only specific individuals in societies who are uniquely beset with these problems. however, i think that in the modern world we find that many, many people who outwardly appear normal suffer from these feelings of disenfranchisement. this is very much a universal problem for our age. even the people i know who approximate normality much better than me routinely report feelings of alienation not much different from what the incels articulate. they might have relationships with others, but their relationships are hollow to the point of unfulfillment by their social existence.

and the common factor for everyone who feels these things, normies and non normies alike, is indeed society, and we are right to scorn it as it clearly does not serve human social needs to anything resembling a satisfying extent currently. the solutions you recommended are both rather individualist as far as i can tell- in one, the disenfranchised exist as they do except with god at their side, comforting their mind that if they just follow the rules and scripture there is a much more satisfying heaven awaiting. and in the other, you succumb to a sort of hedonistic god, because inevitably, "learning to find joy in overcoming your terrible luck" for most people involves consumption, endless consumption of the new in order to escape these alienated feelings. and for some others, you add to this the screeching at the wind that is done on 4chan or on various other forums protesting these feelings.

but i think it is clear that this is a collective problem that can only be solved with combined might, combined effort to create a new world in which radically new, more positive social relations are possible. and it is precisely this realization- that wallowing to yourself or to other disenfranchised is not going to change the society that produces these feelings- that should turn people towards collective action. and you can call this collective action towards positive social relations many things, but for my money the marxists have articulated it the best and communism really does seem like the way forward on this regard. unless there are other philosophies that strive for positive, authentically new social relations that i'm simply not aware of.

>>14026235
What's your job? I'm the codemonkey that just wants my free btw.

>>14024896
I hope he at least has good hygiene in the jailhouse.

>>14024922
Drive is the most important thing tho. It's stupid to pretend normal and privileged people should be automatically happy when there have been tales of disilisioned kings since literally the time of the Bible.

>>14023266
Embrace the call of the wilder, my friend

>>14025287
Happy brcause that thread has made me conceive a begrudging admiration towards fridgebro.

>>14022856
This post is sad. Not in its content but in its self-victimizing blindness. There are solutions to each of the problems you posted. Not ideal ones but ones that make life bearable if not pleasant.
But I think the most audacious claim (or maybe dramatic since the poster was going for dramatics not realism) was
>For you and most men who have ever lived, there truly is nothing to love.
This is such a histrionic and false statement that I can only attribute to pathos. Most men loved their children, or their labor, or their community or some passion they delved in, otherwise the levels of despair would have slowed society to a halt.
>anyone who has tackled this issue for the last thousands of years, none were succesful.
The men you mentioned having lived successful and long lives, somewhat contradicts the idea that they were defeatist. Brutally cynical, sure, pessimistic even, but not defeatist or self-victimizing.
I'd argue they all were successful in their own way. Whether the solution was God (Tolstoy and even Dostoevsky ), or love for another, or for your family or a sense of duty, or even a passionate hatred.
Nihilism is cowardice in a fancy robe.

>>14027697
Sound detailed advice from the anon who writes and posts like an actual retard.

>>14027854
I maintain and upgrade CRUD apps. It's not glamorous or interesting but it pays. Additionally since my work is with old-school businesses instead of silivon valley startups or actual tech company expectations are rock bottom. The fact that I can add a field to a webform in a single day is magic to these people (even though it only takes half an hour, assuming everything goes smoothly).

>>14028077
>There are solutions to each of the problems you posted. Not ideal ones but ones that make life bearable if not pleasant.
Would you mind sharing those solutions?

>>14022670
The solution to the insanity of your existence is to make life sufficient within yourself. You are to be your own source of meaning and joy (in the most solemn respect as possible), and to do this you must avoid escapism and begin the process of knowing oneself. This can be done in a myriad of ways but creation is the most potent method of accomplishing this: Writing, composing, painting; even scientific creations if that be your inclination. The aim is to surround yourself with your creations, this is how to establish a life that is sufficient with respect to yourself.

I'd also recommend attaining power. Power which is to be used to further advance the process of knowing yourself. This could be physical power, mental, or monetary. Whichever it may be, or all three, will aid in the (very difficult) pursuit that is achieving a worthwhile life in relation to yourself. If you choose escapism, nihilism, or any self loathing actions, life will become insufferable without there being any truth to your suffering. Precisely, it is a false suffering, because it is manifested from your inefficiencies.

Further still, I will provide you with the essence of modernity: Demonic forces and relentless lightning spite. The reason why you are 'failing' in life is because you cannot withstand these forces and the solution pertains to power, that is, to become demonic in similarity to the world we live in.

>>14022681
Spending time in nature was definitely what I needed.

>>14028252
Keeping in mind that I said they would make life bearable if not pleasant, here we go:
>You are ugly
Lower your standards to someone as ugly as yourself, unless you want to be wanted for your looks alone.
>you are mentally ill
Depending on the severity of the case, there is medication and/or therapy that can make you bearable to the general population.
>you are alone
Being alone and lonely aren't the same thing, so I assume he meant lonely. Any passion you have, go seek out others to share it with in real life, be it a hobby, a sport, a common interest. Worst case scenario, you find like-minded people online. We're posting here aren't we?
>you are late to the sex game
.. so? There's no entry level for having sex for the first time. But if losing your virginity is the sole issue, a prostitute will solve that quick.
>you are late to the education game
You can go into education at any time, if you so choose and if that's what you truly want to pursue.
>you are late to the sports game
Must have been crowded on the highway.
>you are late to the hair game
This is where it gets silly.
>you are late for life.
And this is where he finished with a guitar solo and said "I am Tyler Durden".
Don't get me wrong, I like the post on a literary merit, but based on content alone it's exaggerating for the sake of dramatics.
In conclusion, remember what I said at the start. These cliches that I listed, are solutions anyone can think of, it's just a matter of summoning the will to follow them through for achieving a bearable life.

>>14028301
Cope

>>14028314
>Cope
It's basically synonymous with "Live".

>>14028301
That's a little less useful than I hoped, but thanks for posting it anyway.

>>14028321
Live a hollow empty lie more like

>>14023511
My dad sexually/emotionally abused me until I was 16 and my mom divorced him and moved to another state. I'm ugly as shit, have a small dick, and I'm terrified of women, so I will never have a girlfriend, but I'm getting hired full time for a tech support job next month and I'm slowly building up a social circle. I attend monthly writer meetups and I'm going to the movies with an acquaintance from high school next month. Baby steps.

>>14028324
kek

>>14022670
>>14022856
Le Rouge et le Noir - Stendhal

>>14028324
>That's a little less useful than I hoped, but thanks for posting in anyway.
You knew it would be. Solutions are always banal in theory and difficult in practice. What I can tell you is that the attempt of any of those will not hurt, and they might help. The part of your brain that lives in existential dread is submissive to the idiotic chimp limbic system which is responsible for your emotions. It's easily tricked through conditioning and repetition and the reshaping of neural pathways. But that requires will over a long period of time. Short of that, no philosophy on earth will help you, because the chimp in your head in charge of your emotions doesn't care about it.

>>14028328
>Live a hollow empty lie more like
If life is suffering, then the process of achieving peace or happiness is in essence perpetual coping.

>>14028391
Life is not suffering to most

>>14028374
There is no such thing as will

>>14028408

>>14022670
Anon, in my youth, I was you. I wallowed in misery, drugs and alcohol, and self pity through my 20s.
Then I realized the only person to make things change was me. Regardless of all the philosophical bullshit tossed around this board, I found I could actually do things to improve my life. If I can do it, so can you.
1st, quit doing/thinking negative things. Quit any drugs and alcohol you may be doing, that includes ciggies too.
2nd, take better care of yourself. Exercise, better diet, meditate, or at least clear your mind of negative thoughts.
3rd, you need to acquire skills that you can use to support yourself. You don't need college to do that, some trades pay well too. Take an aptitude test, find out what you're good at.
4th, make a plan for your improvement. It needs to be doable, not pie in the sky. Start with small things, and work your way up.
I really didn't start to get my shit together until age 26-28, by 31 I had established myself in a comfortable career. Not filthy rich, but solid top 5% of the income brackets.
Life is what you make of it. Life's a bitch, and will always try and fuck you over. Be prepared, be strong, be positive, persevere.
Good luck and god speed, anon.

>>14028427
This is the "All talk and no action board". Where do you think you are? /fit/?

>>14022872
>ESCAPISM IS DEFINITELY THE CAUSE AND NOT THE SYMPTOM!!!

Get the fuck out of here.

>>14028418
Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>14028396
>I'm an overindulged coomer whose main existential crisis is an argument on 4channellee, and the rest of the world, the majority of which lives in poverty, is just dandy
>>14028488
No, just the wrong generation. I forgot the majority here is barely out of their teens.

>>14028505
>>I'm an overindulged coomer whose main existential crisis is an argument on 4channellee, and the rest of the world, the majority of which lives in poverty, is just dandy
Not really. Most people enjoy life, even those who have it hard. Life is not suffering

>>14028505
>No, just the wrong generation.
Bet this sounded good in your head

>>14028505
>the only pleasure in life is jacking off
To you, maybe

>>14028513
>Most people enjoy life
Oh, you were serious. I thought we were saying unfounded crap for the sake of it.
>>14028518
Bet it rung with an echo in yours.
>>14028522
>the only pleasure in life is jacking off
I didn't say that but whatever floats your boat.

I know it's probably a bit irrelevant, but as a test of my writing skills I started to write unofficial Joker novelization, you can read the start here: https://joker2019novel.blogspot.com/
TDK novel was terrible, it gives zero depth to the characters and simply retolds the film in a number of boring descriptions. I planned to write something that is more, well, dimensional, with some extra original scenes and slight changes of the original script.
Any feedback is appreciated, I do love critics.

>>14028535
>Oh, you were serious. I thought we were saying unfounded crap for the sake of it.
Nothing unfounded about it. Go outside and live a little.

>>14028552
>have sex : the /lit/ version
Illuminating.

>>14022681
Not bed

>>14028535
>Bet it rung with an echo in yours
Bet this sounded good in your head.

>>14028572
I'll admit that one actually did. I bet it sounded good in yours too.

>>14028575
Evidently not. How old are you?

>>14022681
Remember those burgerpunk threads? They made me hate advertisements and then when I looked at other countries, it made me want to move away from the U.S

How do I quit hating everything around me? I feel like everything is a consumerist push that is pulling us away from traditional families? I keep seeing things from this lens

>>14022856
Can you write more? Can we also talk?

juliensun(at)protonmail.ch

>>14028562
Not really. Your worldview just seems quite immature.

>>14028332
what's a small dick to you?

>>14028598
Spend more time with your family and praying, volunteer for charity work.

>>14022856
You sound like a whah whah wannabe victim pussy faggot. You're just lazy and uncreative, end of it. If your problems were actually the result of larger trends you would know how easy it is to flip it. Whining like a woman about being lonely, stfu. Literally the only reason you have the opportunity to complain like this is because of the society you want to bitch about. I know your type, because I am your type. We find the shortest route to our destination, it's hardwired in us. With modern comforts it makes it easier than ever to obtain your basic needs, and we take that opportunity farther than everybody else. What an 18 year old has access to today would take a literal lifetime to obtain in the past, they weren't even allowed the opportunity to think. Now your mind and body is screaming at you because you do not realize that we as humans need something to work towards. You never had to learn to socialize because you have the internet and can get that along with food, water and shelter without forming relationships. Every trait and skill that makes people feel good was developed organically in the pursuit of survival. Normies inherently know this that's why contemporary attempts at obtaining these feels way to earnest and try hard. Normies got over worrying about being judged for this, they got over being vulnerable and trying to form relationships without the natural "in" of survival. It's like a Chad directly stating his intentions approaching a girl and a guy approaching by first asking for directions. Get over yourself, it's ok to be obviously wanting connections. Our types cannot wait for a third party and cannot expect our quick obtainment of comfortable survival as the key to not being depressed. All of this being more common is just the result of historical peasants going through what aristocrats in every culture went through centuries ago

>>14028939
I didn't read this

>>14028948
>I didn't read
Describes yourself more accurately

>>14028139
That's the dream, just grind while listening to an audiobook. A low effort job that gives me my free time. My degree is largely unrelated to software design, we do some coding but not much. I'm going to have to learn a large amount on my own if I want that lifestyle. Do you think I could get a similar job with my degree(physics)?

>>14022856
Unironically try NoFap you low test faggot.

>>14029155
Perhaps he has low tes, but his iq is clearly much higher than yours.

>>14028967
Not really. Doesn't make much grammatical sense so your joke falls flat unfortunately which is a shame because it was a good idea.

>>14022670
The Raccooning
At least it doesn't try to be more than it is while trying to be an entertaining read.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48270154-the-raccooning

>>14022856
You're right

The most important thing is finding someone to talk to, be it therapy, friends, family etc. Humans are inherently very social creatures. I was not surprised to hear you lack these options. Try to work on the availability of these options first and foremost, and don't wallow in selfpity.

>>14022856
>victim complex
>waifu fag
>For you and most men who have ever lived, there truly is nothing to love

self pity and bitching about the 'hand' you've been dealt is fucking retarded, like the actual definition of retarded.

read a technical manual

>>14022856
There is so much to love in the world, it hurts me to see that people can't see it.

>>14028332
I wish you the best, anon. Unironically.

>>14025317
How is killing 20+ million people not considered evil?

>>14026980
This.

>>14022670
>didnt take the chad/chadlite pill in late teens (17-20) and lived on ezmode
ngmi
just fitmax,litmax,socmax,virginrichhsgfmax and enjoy neeting away as ur gf brings the money and u are her trophy husbanding reading books playing vidya and lifting

>>14022681
See, he gets it. Now fucking do it, OP.

>>14022856
>NEETChanstarescontemptously.jpg
Fucking slave morality right there.

>>14030170
how is regurgitation stale cold war propaganda numbers not a crime?

>>14022856
based

>>14028301

>>14022856 refuted you before you even wrote down the first letter of your post. His point of view isn't even nihilistic. Life CAN be great. But in every society there will be people at the bottom due to being ugly, poor, riddled with mental illness etc.

What can these people do except scratch and claw so they can, as you yourself admitted, have a bearable life. And all for what, even in the best case scenario? So you can go online and see other people have way better lives than you do with half the effort?

Fuck that. If you can't live a good life, at least live an intense one.

>>14023574
Just go back to college and finish your degree. Reading is just going to temporarily make you forget your problems or give you false hope.

>>14022856
God you’re such a pussy. Dumb weeb.

>>14022856
great post. I do think there are things to love in the world, but they are mostly outside society.

>>14024923
>Well put. I'm of the opinion depression and suicides are rising simply because sad people can see more clearly how shit their lives are. If you were a peasant in the middle ages you didn't get to SEE the orgies of the nobles and the high clergy.

good post, exactly. I've always said that a man can be content living in a hovel if he is by himself and far away from what he lacks, but shack him up next to a mansion and he'll be hanging from the rafters by morning

>>14028278
>Further still, I will provide you with the essence of modernity: Demonic forces and relentless lightning spite

high iq

>>14022670
You’re at the wrong place anon, sorry but I can help though
>>>/k/

>>14022856
You're right, also lol at all the boomers who are playing their "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" "stop self pitying bro" card.

>>14022856
Look at all the autofellating optimists replying to this post.
Pathetic.

>>14028332
>Ugly as shit
Shave or be deliberate about your facial hair, shower regulatory, wear decent, clean clothes, and you'll look fine. Even if you are "objectively ugly" honestly you're a guy so you don't have much to worry about in that regard. It's far easier for an ugly guy to connect with a decent woman than it is for an ugly woman to meet guys.

>have a small dick.
That doesn't mean anything and is a reflection of your low self esteem and lies you have been told about penis size and the significance thereof. But since we're already here, measure it when erect. Is it less than 4.5 inches? I didn't think so. I'm positive it's average, at least 90% of penises are, funny about that.

>terrified of women
Many if not most women are vapid and judgmental but there are cool ones out there. You should be patient and discerning. Your fear comes from natural biological response your body/mind physiologically has to protect you from danger on account of your neglect and abuse, and probably bullying from Chads and Staceys. It's hard either way but gradually you have to keep nudging closer and crack yourself in. It's much, much easier to do this with genuinely cool and empathetic people guy friends who will listen to you and women that value intellectual pursuits and what men are like inside, which are a rare and ever dying breed, but you are much more likely to find them in the right places such as writer meetups so you're already doing great. (Although of course assholes are everywhere.) Know what qualities to look for.

Your biggest problem is your self esteem, or lack thereof. The worst of your abuse is over and you acknowledge that it happened, but unfortunately you're still repeating the statement that you're a piece of shit to yourself, because that's how you were treated and it's what's most familiar. You must break out of that thought cycle for real change, otherwise you could be working a decent job and socializing with decent people for yeas with no genuine progress towards self actualization and material happiness.

>>14030927
>So you can go online and see other people have way better lives than you do with half the effort?
Why does that even matter. What effect does that have on you, and why is your happiness derives from the effort of others?

>>14022670
the holy Koran

>>14022670
Eckhart Tolle's A new heaven and a new earth.

>>14022670
Just read some Edward Bernays and realise that you are nothing but a pawn to the invisible empire and then kys because you will never be more than that

>>14022856
Chie is trash and your post is cringe.

>>14022856
I knew wellbeck posts here

>>14028324
Yea because you're a lazy faggot
>>14022856
>>14030927
>>14031137
>>14031174
Literal underage, low t, dopamine fried, barely literate, retards who think they have it all figured out from their pathetic scraps of life experience complaining about menial pussy problems from their place of extreme comfort and will end up killing themselves in ten years when they realize how much time they wasted whining about nothing

>>14027844
I really like the point about how the feeling of the falseness of social relations is pretty much universal. I think it's very true. All of my friends (who I've known since high school) have this feeling that our social group used to be closer. We're all normal people, we all hang out a decent amount. But something is missing, it's just so hard to connect with people. That might just be me and my friends but I don't think so. I think most people feel the same way

>>14022670
Youtube Liste mit cheer up songs
I´ll give you a plan against depression. It´s easy to do an makes fun. It´s about the simple chemistry behind depression.
First steps:
Open some windows, if you are at home or take a walk for a while, especially if you see the sun shining. The fresh air will help you not losing your Melatonin, which makes you tired. The sun does exactly the same, it helps your nerves grabbing whatever fluid they shall hold. And remember flowers, they get up, when the sun comes out, it´s almost the same with humans. The next thing is to drink clear water. Serotonin and Dopamin are hydrogencarbonates, and this means every cup of mineral water will help you out. Besides that take some sugar, you could make yourself a tea or Cola or some shit like that, but i recommend not to mix your water too much, because every chemical connection that is made your body has to divide again with natural chemistry, so keep it simple for your body, it will help you a little quicker. Do this every day.
And this helps too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK2F7jjnuoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZq3i94mSsQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akw0CRhaOaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCZxGG_4ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7MAb8ELbZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_a8jtWVTtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jFe-Lv_Xbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vTZp1cqZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YYrsjP1Yng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VOzdcCy1Vg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoLd3-AhyIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWa-6g-TbgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QecyUEvvKmM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cIBA9MLAJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eFfULITrFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlBIa8z_Mts
This should keep you goin for a while

>>14022856

>>14031203
I'm literally physically deformed

>>14028939
Thanks anon. I'm 19 and reading stuff like the post you replied to make me want to kill myself, but I know it isn't the answer. God bless you!

>>14033345
You're not the only one that is. You can still make friends and meet women. A lot of people who are physically deformed and disabled and fucked up in all kinds of ways lead successful lives. You absolutely must stop telling yourself you are ugly as shit though. You clearly have a lot of hatred towards yourself. I recommend leaving 4chan first of all, there is a culture here that encourages people to use such language in describing themselves or "undesirable" characteristics such as physical deformations. They may seem more blunt than progressive liberals for using such language, but in practice it is a reflection of their own insecurity and self hatred and is far more damaging in the short term and the long term.

I'm not denying that your face is ugly even on a good day or that you have the physical deformation, but doesn't calling it the latter feel so much more sensible and compassionate toward yourself than "ugly as shit?" You're just repeating what bullies have called you all your life. Do yourself a favor and stop imitating them and being a bully toward yourself.

>>14022856
>>14028301
why do man almost never think about plastic surgeries, you can fix your hair/chin/nose/teeth etc,(unless you're disabled, then you're really fucked)
you think your crush is natural without makeup? it's not even looked down on as "unmanly" if you care about that
there is height/dick left, while micropenis is a curse height is overblown

>>14022966
same.

But I'm pretty sure a lot of people here have aspergers. It makes a lot of sense. I think that is why we feel this way.

The works of Dostoevsky (Crime & Punishment, Notes from Underground, The Brothers Karamazov)
The works of Tolstoy (Anna Karenina, War and Peace, The Death of Ivan Ilyich)
The works of Nietzsche (Thus Spake Zarathustra, On the Genealogy of Morality, Beyond Good & Evil)
The Bible -- The Book of Job and Ecclesiastes should be of particular interest to you

>>14022670
im 20 and im an the same position but im pretty sure it is simply because i am unemployed; you need to feel as though you are working towards a better tomorrow OP e.g. maybe saving your money as opposed to working paycheck to paycheck, making other people's lives better through public service etc

>>14034559
>>14022670

also stop coming here and getting involved in isolated communities like /pol/, incels whatever; go on normiebook and consume normie culture and content, and dont look down on normies like they are intellectually or emotionally bankrupt because they are not, they just come from a different cultural stock from you and it's difficult for you to comprehend that, but as i said if you really make an effort to be a part of what it is you feel forsaken from then you will be, as opposed to toiling in the online underworld, make your way back up

>>14022670
My friend, watch this every morning, and be happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-p_0FDlpkw
We're all going to make it.

>>14034619
So you want him to pull a pic related?

>>14034887
4chan is a product, that image was made with products. I'm not telling him to compromise his beliefs, just to make an effort to understand and empathise with others who don't spend every waking second on these autistic imageboards

>>14022856
you're not a burn victim, born blind, or the countless things that are genuinely terrible. However you are born a faggot and think that all there is to life is being physically attractive and socialising.
Maybe society is good for making weak men like you bad and eventually killing yourself??

>>14022856
>What you're struggling with is the single oldest problem of humanity
>the problem of the desinfranchised, the lonely, the ostracized.
>single oldest problem of humanity
and here I thought it was "feeding yourself"

can we all agree that Joker was just an average movie

>>14022856
muh looks is a cope, as with projecting your autism derived mental and social issues onto the all men throughout history.

>>14022856
muh looks is a cope, as with projecting your autism derived mental and social issues onto the entire male gender.

>>14035064
to be fair he was born with crippling autism, arguably one of the worst curses to be burdened with.

>>14035262
It's gonna be hard to state that for a while without being called a cuck/MCU shill

>>14031861
Are you really denying it doesn't have an effect on people? It's an empirically true statement.

Your life isn't lived in isolation. The very way you perceive your life story is molded by your community and what other people are doing. This "don't compare yourself to other people" has some pragmatic value in the short term. But to take it literally is self-help guru-ism and pure ideology.

>>14034619
>go on facebook
this is actual advice some human being gave to another human being in 2019.
this is the world we live in now. facebook is the recommended cure for an individuals' grievances. he came with hate and he left with facebook.

>>14034619
>it's all relevant bro just dont think about it :)

You might as well have told him to just kill himself.

>>14028712
Fucking why?

>>14026909
cringe

How normal is it to think about killing yourself?

Not the point of planning, but just like, ' I should kill myself, I don't like being alive very much'?

>>14024931
Not a meme.
>try the tao te ching first though its only 81 pages

Hermann Hesse - Steppenwolf

>>14036026
lol

>>14022670

>>14022670
God it always sucks to wear an uncomfortable oxford before your comfy cardigan and hoodie. But if you just wear a tee shirt it's too juvenile.

>>14028598
In the modern world you need to direct your own focus. Nobody I know talks about ads or buying things apart from the normal things we need to live our lives or the interests we have. If you have time to sit around and this about consumerism and advertisement you have time to think about anything

>>14022856
The solution is the self-overcoming of nihilism, Anon. This board is truly filled with pseuds. It embarrasses me that most of you are in your 20s.

>>14022670
All kind of literature. I can particularly recommend the homeric epics. As long as you are a degenerate yourself, you are part of the problem. Liberate yourself through virtue

>>14022670
No book will save you. Go join a monastery.

>>14022670
The Old Man and the Sea
Suffering for a goal and achieving it is its own reward, regardless of what you actually get out of it.

That or Nietzsche, he literally wrote for people like you.

>>14022670
But you didn't say "would you kindly" therefore, No.

>>14022670
psst hey kid want to blow up some federal buildings?

>>14022670
The trick is to want to be better than others. Don't hate them, antipathy is poison, but instead look at those around you and say "I can be better than them."
You have to prove your existence to yourself and the world. Otherwise, why even bother existing?

Don Quixote.

Just pull a Joker on SOCIETY you wusses. That's what you really want don't lie

>>14024961
I can't apply for any government aid, temporary lodging or anything that would actually help me because I'm a white man. I had to go to a fucking NAACP office just to get any help whatsoever for Christ's sake. They took me to a Job Corps seminar after we talked of my situation. I start soon. I get picked up and transported by the service.

Ok, listen all you fags, listen for one thing that many many years ago some oldfag recommended not even for me. Search for sadhguru on yt. And listen what he has to say. Find the topic you are intersted in and listen. Do isha kriya and after some time you'll be golden. I'm out. All the best, farewell.

>>14022856
I read this post and threw the phone I was reading it on to the far wall of my room. It's now irrevocably cracked. Don't ever write anything this honest again

>>14022670
You have nobody to blame but yourself. You have not taken enough initiative or action in your life if you feel the need to blame others for your shortcomings. The world isn’t fair or easy. You have to improve yourself in all ways. That is the telos of a citizen. Society is shit but you’re one of the shittiest aspects of it. You have to rise above the trivial aspects that people live by and only focus on yourself and set goals.

>>14023588

>Only boring people are bored!
This statement was the bane of my fucking existence from age 11-17.

>>14022856
Wow great post! Come circlejerk with me Reddit!

>>14022670
i just saw something disgusting

>>14040067
There's some truth in it to an extent.

>>14022670
Anne of green gables

>>14022856
>all the cope replies

>>14022856
Read Nietzsche.

>>14022681
I started journal after seeing your post and deleted it by mistake, it was only 3days but it makes me sad

>>14022856
The amount of support this post got is fucking embarrassing. Half the literature you yourself listed offers an answer that satisfied the authors, and there are hundreds of classics out there giving their own answers. And here's the thing: It's always the same answer, just shown from a different light.
But this message is probably wasted on you since you actually unironically think this issue of being a social outcast is ultimately rooted in being ugly and anti-social. What a fucking insult to every existentialiat you've ever read, for them to have all played a role in the creation of this mindset in your head.

Here's the ultimate truth to this seemingly never-ending question that you think is so aesthetic, the solution to the vicious cycle of powerlessness spawning self-hatred spawning powerlessness that you enjoy spinning around in so much: Everything you do you do for your own sake. You love yourself. Your actions aren't any more powerless than everyone else's. They accomplish their purpose: they appease you. It doesn't matter what you think.

You have a fetish for tragedy and pity spotlighting. That's fine. It's avoided, thus pure, thus beautiful--to you who hates all traces and reminders of the society that hurt you. We get it. Just never fucking again drag men a hundred times wiser than you into your mud, they are not like you. They did not stop where you're stopping, they never embraced stagnation. Fucking pathetic. And the same goes for everyone agreeing with this guy, know your place.

>>14022670
my diary desu

>>14022670
You need some positive vibes, my fren. I've been there too, so I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DefiOxtEYu8

>>14022699
Not OP but I did this shit naturally before I ever started browsing /lit/. Kinda overrated though finding out it’s not unique at all.

>>14022670
The sincerest recommendation I can give is Bronze Age Mindset by Bronze Age Pervert.

>>14023220
How the fuck are straight men the outsider? People only think this if they literally never go outside

>>14030860
Kys commie

>>14022966
Mange?

>>14022856
How pathetic.

you created your own super-philosophy with "evidence" to support your own self-loathing. While I agree that anons problem simply cannot be solved with just reading a book or two. This degrading mentality you allowed yourself into is by-far your greatest flaw. It's not being white. It's not being late.

It's not fucking trying at all.

You and others can say I'm coping, but I'm living a great life. Money saved in the bank, friends to spend my time with, a body that I cultivated, and assets that I purchased.

Sure you can always lay down and surrender, but you will never know how great life can be until you try to live it.

>>14022670
Read Nietzsche. Cultivate an activist ethic. Take responsibility for creating a life you actually want to live.

This thread made me go to the gym, write a new entry in my journal, stop masturbating and keep reading my java book so I can get a higher paying job.
It's good cope when your life's a joke :)

>>14026909
wasnt there a novel with a similar plot/themes to Joker that took place during the spainish civil war?

>>14025984

anger will destroy you. it is drinking poison and expecting the other person to die

>>14024923
>man is completely alienated from society, alienated from his own family, is not fulfilled emotionally or spiritually in any way in anything he does
>must be because of jealousy of material things
holy fucking shit, you need to do the world a favor and never breed

>>14022670
Buddhism teaches mankind how to alleviate suffering. It's not arrogance, simply the truth that western authors and philosophers aren't up to the same level of cope as Buddhists. Read "Handbook for Mankind" by Buddhadasa Bhikkhu. Here's an official PDF: http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddasa.pdf

My Twisted World

>>14047642
Also, I don't mean to say that you should be a Buddhist period. They have plenty of useful cope techniques and insights to learn. Unlike Christianity, you don't need to have faith in order to benefit.

>>14042629
Imagine lacking arguments to the point where you actually write this shit

>>14032702
Nice projection. I'm 99% sure I'm taller and can bench more than your weak ass

>>14022670
I graduated with honors, have multiple groups of friends, have a good relationship with my parents/family and I am still blackpilled so don't feel too sorry about yourself.

>>14022856
I have outgrown this place

>>14047709
Alright then retard, put on your big boy pants and point out where I'm wrong. Do you have anything coherent at all to say about my claims that existentialist authors did find answers, that they aren't all just faggot sadboys like you and that complaining about not being able to cope itself is a coping mechanism? No you fucking don't because you're a no-name side character in your own life. Fuck off.

>>14042629
What a sad and screeching little post. I sincerely doubt you've read a single existentialist in your life beyond cribbing highlights from Wikiquote

>>14047747
>>14047738

>>14047749
And before you do the inevitable: You don't care what I think about you and I don't care what you think about me. Stop wasting time by sperging out at me. I made my points, respond to them or shut the fuck up.

>>14047749
>saying existentialists found answers
>deliberate vague on what these answers were
Yup, pretty sure you haven't read them, thanks for the vindication.

>>14047753
>criticizing anyone for sperging out after the state he has made of himself in this thread already
It is to laugh

>>14047756
>why not just sum up the answers dostoevsky needed books several hundred pages in size to convey?
Just to satisfy your autism: I have read one or more books of Dostoevsky, Camus, Goethe and Dazai. 7 among these. But wow! Look! You don't care. Great, good thing we both made a post each to realize that.
Anon, we could have a mutually beneficial conversation about the points the Persona dude first brought up, why don't we do that instead? Take me up on my points. Explain why you disagree. Say *anything* that isn't just a waste of time mockery of me. We'll both forget it before the day ends.

>>14047760
See above.

>>14047797
And since I don't trust you not to strawman me: I've read more than 7 classics in my life, but only 7 from these authors.

>>14022670
Get to know Jesus Christ, so I say the Bible especially the New Testament

>>14022670
This is a psyop. And itself a result of the "incel" psyop.

>>14047797
You haven't made a single argument, besides resentful reeing, what's there to take up?

>>14047797
>why not just sum up the answers dostoevsky needed books several hundred pages in size to convey?
If they had made these "answers" and you were intelligent enough to understand them you would be able to concisely sum them up. Seems like that's a negative on both counts anon.

>>14048123
>>14047738

>>14048137
I disagree. Prove me wrong by summing up the point of a classic yourself. Any classic.

Yada yada burden of proof is on me, I know. I'm not here to win an argument, I just want you guys to say something interesting. To raise a counter point, or any point at all. Maybe give me your thoughts on this: unlike the original guy implied, I disagree that the authors he listed all gave up on life after "realizing" it's meaningless. Just, somebody, PLEASE, say something of intellectual value.
Pro-tip: Pointing out I myself have yet to do so is not of intellectual value.

Anyway, fine. I'll give you a poor summary so you can then go "but that's not their point at all," to which I'll reply "ok, what would your summary of this complex concept look like?" to which you won't respond. Boy I'm sure getting hyped now.

Camus' answer: accept your role in fate
Dostoevsky's answer: fate comes with responsibility, every fate - and you have to accept that responsibility
Goethe's answer: when we feel the world is lacking it's because we are lacking, and we have to understand that what we're lacking cannot be found within us - muh "experience new, external things"
Nietzsche's answer: evolve, as we've done till now

So now what? I gave you new material to mock me, which neither of us cares about, and you have yet to provide something of substance yourself. Disagreeing with me is not substance. I'd like to see you bring up something new, like I just did. Show me an author that you believe is on your side in this discussion, and explain why you think so.
Guys I'm trying really fucking hard here to get you to say something original here. You can call my posts bad, but they're original - what about yours so far?

>>14022670
When a man is always occupied with the cravings of desire and ambition, and is eagerly striving to satisfy them, all his thoughts must be mortal, and, as far as it is possible altogether to become such, he must be mortal every whit, because he has cherished his mortal part.

But he who has been earnest in the love of knowledge and of true wisdom, and has exercised his intellect more than any other part of him, must have thoughts immortal and divine, if he attain truth, and in so far as human nature is capable of sharing in immortality, he must altogether be immortal; and since he is ever cherishing the divine power, and has the divinity within him in perfect order, he will be perfectly happy.

>>14022670
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=C4DF8169D1389DB5DCF1E87F72B71AE5

>>14039964
Lmfao

Should have also replied with
>>14048514
to
>>14022856

>>14039964
>>14048611
go back

>>14048514
based

>>14048356
>"Finally, the optimist’s impatience with or condemnation of pessimism often has a smug macho tone to it (although males have no monopoly of it). There is a scorn for the perceived weakness of the pessimist who should instead ‘grin and bear it’. This view is defective for the same reason that macho views about other kinds of suffering are defective. It is an indifference to or inappropriate denial of suffering, whether one’s own or that of others. The injunction to ‘look on the bright side’ should be greeted with a large dose of both scepticism and cynicism. To insist that the bright side is always the right side is to put ideology before the evidence. Every cloud, to change metaphors, may have a silver lining, but it may very often be the cloud rather than the lining on which one should focus if one is to avoid being drenched by self-deception. Cheery optimists have a much less realistic view of themselves than do those who are depressed.”

>>14048356
In my view, Darwinian life is an abomination: life on Earth is virulent, self-replicating biological malware churning out suffering without end. Any sensitive soul should be appalled. Cruelty as vile as anything in Auschwitz is going on right now.

Almost a million people each year do draw the relevant conclusion: “we are creatures that should not exist" (David Benatar). By contrast, for evolutionary reasons many more human and nonhuman animals alike go to extraordinary lengths not just to survive but to breed – and hence perpetuate the obscenity of our existence.

>>14048356
Thanks for sperging out again my lad. You need to develop a thicker skin.

>>14048356
>Camus' answer: accept your role in fate
>Dostoevsky's answer: fate comes with responsibility, every fate - and you have to accept that responsibility
>Goethe's answer: when we feel the world is lacking it's because we are lacking, and we have to understand that what we're lacking cannot be found within us - muh "experience new, external things"
>Nietzsche's answer: evolve, as we've done till now
How retarded must you be to think you can just reduce great philosopher's arguments like this to banal hallmark card aphorisms? This reads like a quick Wikipedia scan.

>>14048356
your summary of their philosophies cuts so many corners I might as well be automutilating

>>14048356
>The pleasure in this world, it has been said, outweighs the pain; or, at any rate, there is an even balance
between the two. If the reader wishes to see shortly whether this statement is true, let him compare the
respective feelings of two animals, one of which is engaged in eating the other.
The best consolation in misfortune or affliction of any kind will be the thought of other people who are in a
still worse plight than yourself; and this is a form of consolation open to every one. But what an awful fate
this means for mankind as a whole!
We are like lambs in a field, disporting themselves under the eye of the butcher, who chooses out first one and
then another for his prey. So it is that in our good days we are all unconscious of the evil Fate may have
presently in store for us—sickness, poverty, mutilation, loss of sight or reason.

>>14049155
I agree. You're misinterpreting me if you think that quote is relevant.

>>14049163
Thank you - what do you think about the argument that there's more joy than sorrow? And more realistically: would you maintain that world view if you were convinced there's as much joy as suffering?

>>14049177
I don't think you understand how thick your skin has to be to present your personal thoughts in the presence of people you know will mock you for it. So, I'll change that now. Let's make you understand: Try telling me a personal thought of yours, without hiding behind zoomer irony, and despair at your inability to do so.

>>14049266
oh... so you really aren't saying anything, what a waste of time. Thank you for increasing my suffering you blithering nigger faggot.

>>14049266
>don't think you understand how thick your skin has to be to present your personal thoughts in the presence of people you know will mock you for it. So, I'll change that now. Let's make you understand: Try telling me a personal thought of yours, without hiding behind zoomer irony, and despair at your inability to do so.
Nigger, I don't care, it's just 4channel. Unironically go outside and play

>>14049198
>>14049218
I know one or both of you are baiting, but since it takes zero effort to redirect you, let me do so: >>14047797
I agree. That's why I initially refused to bother. The fact that you agree I conveyed part of their points and didn't accuse me of misunderstanding them completely is actually a sort of honor. How would you guys respond to that guy's request for a summary?

>>14049266
>what do you think of this vague hypothetical argument that I've pulled out of my ass?
Gee, I dunno.

>>14023466
But why anon? My father was a great workaholic engineer, you know why? Because they were very poor and instead of becoming a laborer he chose to study in a warm school full of young idealist teachers. When I asked what his favorite subject was he said "Never had one, just wanted to graduate as quick as possible and earn money." He was so unconsciously motivated to live that it is still beyond my comprehension. And playing video games all day was beyond his comprehension. In the end we decided that we both tend to choose the easier option, only his was for our own good, and mine is not.

>>14049306
I wouldn't, because I'm not massively insecure and wouldn't ever feel the need to go on a massive rant in order respond to blatant bait.

>>14049306
>have a position
>get triggered into undermining that position
>get called out for it
>"See I was right in the first place, I win!"
I believe the common term for this round these parts is, cope.

>>14049303
Nice defense mechanism. Now stop being a little baby and actually genuinely try to interpret an opinion that differs from your own without strawmanning.

>>14049305
Fucking exactly. You can call me a sperg and autist, but don't think you're thick-skinned for not caring about shit, that's not what thick-skin is.

>>14049312
It's a hypothetical argument that's often raised, believed by some, and impossible to disprove - what's wrong with asking for someone's thoughts on it?

>>14049326
Fair. Personally I genuinely care about this stuff, so I get heated. I've got enough passion in me to burn some on brainlet replies.

>>14049226
Nice. Might have a response later.

>>14047738
King of projection back at it again. You're such fucking nigger monkey you don't realize the burden of proof is on you. What is the existentialists solution for the outcasts and the misfits?

Be more than a sheep for once in your life and use your own arguments instead of quoting other authors to sound smart.

And complaining is a cope. So what? I still don't see any fucking solutions being typed by your fat cheeto dust fingers

>>14047738
>>14049359

Oh and I'd easily whoop your ass IRL faggot

>>14049343
I don't care about winning some argument. You're right. Good job. With that out of the way, do you have anything new to add? Something that isn't mockery.

I don't think you do. I don't think you ever did. I don't think you ever will.

>>14049348
>Fucking exactly. You can call me a sperg and autist, but don't think you're thick-skinned for not caring about shit, that's not what thick-skin is.
>gets triggered into effortranting to shitposts
>doesn't have thin skin
Sure

>>14049380
You're 100% right, I have next to no interest in having a sincere discussion with a massive autist in a sinking thread on 4channel. What a fool I must be.

>>14049359
lol
I never quoted anyone. Your other points are dumb, whatever.
Post body. You won't.

>>14049382
Yes. Getting heated =/= thin-skinned. You misunderstand what thin skin is, and I'll tell you the same thing I told the other guy: Tell me some personal thought of yours. You can't. *That's* thin skin.

>>14049348
>It's a hypothetical argument that's often raised, believed by some, and impossible to disprove - what's wrong with asking for someone's thoughts on it?
It's not an argument, it's a deceleration that there is an argument. Make the argument if you want to play devil's advocate not
>b-but some people say that's not true
What do they actually say?

>>14049412
>Getting heated =/= thin-skinned.
In the context of getting baited, it very much does.
>Tell me some personal thought of yours
I think you're a retarded faggot but it's been fun passing the time with you while I wait for this constipated shit to drop.

>>14049348
I'm simply disappointed in your responses anon, there need not be a defense on my part because you haven't said anything valuable. There should be no reason to bear the suffering of this world for any of the reasons you have proposed.

>>14049398
A massive autists with original thoughts that he's prepared to share with other autists, thank you.

>>14049413
Dude, it's not a debate. I don't care about convincing you about anything. I have zero intention about defending the idea that there's more joy than sorrow, I'm in the even balance camp. It's just an interesting light to view one's world view under.
I've said this a hundred times: I'm here to bait interesting thoughts and ideas out of you, not to win an argument. My posts so far make this obvious, what are you doing dude

>>14049440
Sorry, I forgot to add the "no mockery" condition in the reply to you, can you come again? Mockery is easy mode.

>>14049454
There is no suffering. You're deluding yourself into thinking there is, like I'm deluding myself into being a grander person than all of you combined, like a tranny is deluding himself he's not a tranny as a fetish, like a /pol/cel is deluding himself he's respectable and the world isn't. What you must do is acknowledge that. See Kant.

>>14049482
I worry you have been confused by the amount of responses that have come your way.

>>14049482
>Dude, it's not a debate.
Never said it was. But leading a discussion by saying "wut abut dis" without going to any detail what "dis" is, is fucking stupid on your part. How the fuck is anyone meant to respond to that?

>>14049482
I hope this fulfills you anon. Seems like a waste to me. Crude as it is, I would take up >>14049305 's advice

>>14049505
Yeah I'm thinking the same thing. But now I'm no longer phone posting and I can reply to you guys with posts the length I mean to give them. If you think I missed some point let me know

>>14049513
"Would you maintain the world view that life isn't worth it as long as there's suffering even if the suffering categorically outweighed the joy?"
This is the question you're calling unreasonably unreasoned. Sorry but I genuinely don't see the issue with it.

>How the fuck is anyone meant to respond to that?
Like this I guess? >>14049226
I'm not sure why you're complaining about my response to the guy when the guy himself was able to work with it just fine.

>>14023511
might makes right

>>14024932
>wouldn't it be better if we presented ourselves as the victim?

>>14049535
I mean, we are in a thread arguing that literally everything is a waste of time and energy. Anyway, I agree, it is good advice. I make it a point to experience as much of the world as I can, although my idea of that differs from the traditional idea of "travel! friends! career!"

>>14026980
If you're male and remotely white, you're a literal god amongst the animals.

>>14049536
>"Would you maintain the world view that life isn't worth it as long as there's suffering even if the suffering categorically outweighed the joy?"

You may be responding to the wrong person anon.

>>14049536
>This is the question you're calling unreasonably unreasoned.
No it isn't, check your post again.
>the guy himself was able to work with it just fine
That wasn't in response to your question

>>14049536
>I'm not sure why you're complaining about my response to the guy when the guy himself was able to work with it just fine.

Yeah I'm thinking you need to take a break.

Writing mushy self-help advise to losers doesn't do them any good. There's only one way to break a loser: a good slap.

>>14049555
>my idea of that differs from the traditional idea of "travel! friends! career!"
>I am a poor friendless NEET
Is 4chan your sole means of expression anon?

>>14049564
>>14049566
What the hell I'm retracing the replies and it leads to this
>>14049266
>what do you think about the argument that there's more joy than sorrow?
To which you (?) replied
>>14049312
>>what do you think of this vague hypothetical argument that I've pulled out of my ass?
Help me out here

>>14049585
Good observation, I can see a poor friendless NEET making the same statement as me except out of cope. However, no. I'm doing fine irl.

>Is 4chan your sole means of expression anon?
No, I pull this same shit all over the spectrum of social interaction, except in ways appropriate to the situation at hand. Hard to believe, right?

>>14049612
>Help me out here
You're beyond help anon. Goodbye.

>>14049631
Abayo

>>14049612
You should tell you friends about this would make a great story.

>>14049612
Read that question and the question you asked afterwards and really think anon.

>>14049612

>what do you think about the argument that there's more joy than sorrow?

To my knowledge you never proposed an argument for this, perhaps I missed it.

>>14049651
Maybe I'm already broadcasting this thread to everyone I know, telling them about how I'm demolishing an entire thread of /lit/fags in a 1v5, forcing them to retire one by one with a "whatever i never cared anyway"

>>14049664
There's a lot of questions to talk about here, but if you mean the two in my post then yeah, he's complaining that I'm bringing up a vague hypothetical argument and I'm saying there's nothing wrong with vague hypothetical arguments, because
>"Would you maintain the world view that life isn't worth it as long as there's suffering even if the suffering categorically outweighed the joy?"
is a fair question.

If those aren't the questions you meant I'll need you to stop speaking in riddles.

>>14049707
Correct. And neither do I intend to. I don't agree with the sentiment, but that never stopped me from considering it. You guys are calling me a sperg while there's like 3 people complaining that I asked a hypothetical question without backing it up with arguments that'd make it no longer be a hypothetical question.

Honestly not even /lit/ would do that, I guess I'm really missing something here? I don't get it. For all I care we can forget about this and you can tell me what you think about the question yourself.

>>14049762
Oh I just saw I wrote
>suffering categorically outweighed the joy
instead of
>joy categorically outweighed the suffering

Is this what you're all talking about? Come on that's a pretty obvious accidental mix up.

>>14049762
>Maybe I'm already broadcasting this thread to everyone I know, telling them about how I'm demolishing an entire thread of /lit/fags in a 1v5, forcing them to retire one by one with a "whatever i never cared anyway"
When did the delusions begin for you?

>>14049762
>Correct. And neither do I intend to. I don't agree with the sentiment, but that never stopped me from considering it. You guys are calling me a sperg while there's like 3 people complaining that I asked a hypothetical question without backing it up with arguments that'd make it no longer be a hypothetical question.
If you mean to play devil's advocate you still have to provide an argument idiot or there's nothing to talk about.

>>14049762
>If those aren't the questions you meant I'll need you to stop speaking in riddles.
The question you asked to start with is not the same as the one you asked later

>>14022856
Pathetic
>>14045396
>>14042629
Based and improvement pilled.
Here’s the real answer by the way. Why wallow in self pity when it will only make you feel worse? Ask yourself, then ask why not improve? Because it is hard and you are weak.

>>14050024
Book of the New Sun

>>14050029
You literally don't. What are you on about?
"I'm an antinatalist."
"Because you believe there's more suffering than joy*, or because you believe to have suffering at all is to be avoided?"
You're being silly if you consider this an unreasonable response. I understand the point you're trying to make, that you can't knead a point out of thin air no matter how autistically your interlocutor keeps asking you to, but that just doesn't apply here. I also agree that there'd be more room for an answer if I explained *how* joy outweighed suffering, but I don't have any particularly convincing material on that, so the diet version of the question is all I can ask.

*This question serves the same purpose as asking whether he'd still be an antinatalist even if there was more joy than suffering

>>14050037
Look man this thread is dying and even I'm getting tired here
By now I've noticed that the second post about the antinatalism thing wasn't in response to my reply to the first guy that brought it up, but on a glance I don't see why that's relevant. A mistake on my part, sure, but whether it's the same guy or another doesn't matter much, does it?

I'm glad we were all able to reach a somewhat civilized state of discussion. I'm still sad I couldn't get more of you to stop wasting time mocking me and instead waste time talking about things that have a potential to be interesting, but I'll just write it off as practice. One day I'll get through that thick skin of thin-skinned irony of /lit/.

>>14049762

>The amount of support this post got is fucking embarrassing.

>What a fucking insult to every existentialiat you've ever read, for them to have all played a role in the creation of this mindset in your head.

>Fucking pathetic. And the same goes for everyone agreeing with this guy, know your place.

Have you considered the possibility that both you and the /lit/fags are equally retarded? As far as I can tell that may defiantly be the case and after carefully reading the post that began this mess it's reaction is earned. Nothing said in your rebuttal contains a coherent argument against the views of based pessimist anon, instead you belligerently curse him for daring to acknowledge suffering of the world and is dispossessed peoples.

>Correct. And neither do I intend to. I don't agree with the sentiment, but that never stopped me from considering it. [...]For all I care we can forget about this and you can tell me what you think about the question yourself.

Now for your primary question, I believe that the asymmetry of suffering and pleasure is in the favor of the former and is written into the foundations of our sentient experience. Just imagine Schopenhauer's experiment in his short essay, On the Sufferings of the World "If the reader wishes to see shortly whether this statement is true, let him compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is engaged in eating the other." his point is simply that pain occurs in more often and with greater sensational profundity. Asymmetry of this kind is shared among almost every aspect of terrestrial experience if you analyze it carefully and although all of our lives are not so bad that we are force to kill ourselves, on the whole we experience more suffering than we do pleasure .

>>14050109
>so the diet version of the question is all I can ask.
So then don't ask it. You asked him to address an argument that hasn't been made. How do you expect him to do that? It's the equivalent of saying:
>I'm a Christian
>What do you think of the argument that God doesn't exist?
Which fucking argument? How can any meaningful answer arise out of this? This isn't how you conduct a conversation retard.

>>14050121
I'm sorry to hear you don't consider
>Everything you do you do for your own sake. You love yourself. Your actions aren't any more powerless than everyone else's. They accomplish their purpose: they appease you. It doesn't matter what you think.
coherent/an argument, genuinely. If it's the coherency that you deem lacking, the essence of it is what I also brought up here >>14049482
>There is no suffering. You're deluding yourself into thinking there is, like I'm deluding myself into being a grander person than all of you combined, like a tranny is deluding himself he's not a tranny as a fetish, like a /pol/cel is deluding himself he's respectable and the world isn't. What you must do is acknowledge that. See Kant.

I believe we exaggerate the impression of our own suffering. We remember more suffering than we experienced. The less we do so - through better understanding of the world and how it works, through a better understanding of the consequences of our actions and the causes of our suffering - the more receptive we are to good things, obviously enough. Pessimists have a harder time enjoying things.
If it's the relevancy that you don't see between what I'm saying and the other guy was saying then I'm not sure what to tell you. I guess I can't well expect you to explain why the connection I'm seeing isn't there, and I can't really explain it more directly than this.

>>14050162
>What do you think of the argument that God doesn't exist?
That's basically equivalent to asking "why do you think God exists?" which is a perfectly reasonable question though? Dude you're strawmanning me, get over it. And if you don't want to get over it, also fine. I adjusted my question ages ago: "Would you maintain the world view that life isn't worth it as long as there's suffering even if the suffering categorically outweighed the joy?"
Here, this question works without the need of an argument. It doesn't ask for input on a vacuum of input or whatever you're on about.

>>14050238
>That's basically equivalent to asking "why do you think God exists?"
It isn't and it's worrying that you think so. Your question specified addressing a particular argument against Antinatalism, an argument which you failed to provide. I'm glad you recognized the stupidity of your question by amending it though, your second one is more appropriate.

>>14050238
Fuck I copy pasted the wrong version of the question again
Something something swap joy and suffering

>>14050263
You're correct, semantically they're different. I made a mistake by phrasing it as such.
Pragmatically though it wouldn't take a lot of mental effort to just roll with it and interpret it as the latter version. Like man, you should always try to interpret the people you're talking to in the way that makes the most sense before writing them off as retards, this is basic principle of charity, every big philosopher will tell you the same.

>>14050287
It would be best you if you weren't such a fucking retard in the first place and got a fairly simple question right

>>14050292
True. Acknowledged.
That said you'll miss out on a lot of interesting ideas, and waste a whole fucking shitload of time, by not putting effort into making up for other's flaws yourself. I don't need to tell you that the majority of the people you'll argue with on the internet won't just back down from what they said and rephrase it more sensibly.

>>14050310
>That said you'll miss out on a lot of interesting ideas,
Yeah, if only I let you spouse more of your incoherent platitudes, BTFOing pessimism forever, what intellectual wonders I missed out on.

>>14050324
Exactly. Most prominently the intellectual wonder of the principle of charity, which you're missing out on this very moment.

More importantly though, look at this and tell me it's not high level as fuck, you can't
>I believe we exaggerate the impression of our own suffering. We remember more suffering than we experienced. The less we do so - through better understanding of the world and how it works, through a better understanding of the consequences of our actions and the causes of our suffering - the more receptive we are to good things, obviously enough. Pessimists have a harder time enjoying things.
And this, too, is something you would have seen from the start already, if you had just interpreted me charitably instead of waiting for me to phrase it in a more agreeable manner. Really, missing out on a lot. Remember that anecdote about all the editors turning down Nabokov's Lolita? Same thing really.

>>14050238

>I believe we exaggerate the impression of our own suffering.

This is not true see 'The Optimism Bias: A Tour of the Irrationally Positive Brain' "In this absorbing exploration, Tali Sharot—one of the most innovative neuroscientists at work today—demonstrates that optimism may be crucial to human existence. The Optimism Bias explores how the brain generates hope and what happens when it fails; how the brains of optimists and pessimists differ; why we are terrible at predicting what will make us happy; how emotions strengthen our ability to recollect; how anticipation and dread affect us; how our optimistic illusions affect our financial, professional, and emotional decisions; and more."

>The less we do so - through better understanding of the world and how it works, through a better understanding of the consequences of our actions and the causes of our suffering

I'm afraid I have confused you, the asymmetry I speak of referrers to things that our outside of what we can directly impose our will over of course, physical sensations such as pain/pleasure and even in instances where the Utopian ideals could be achieved Dostoevsky the man you sited yourself believed the will of man would run us into boredom or some other unpleasant experience. It would be indecent to tell the caveman that in 100 thousand years the asymmetry of suffering he experiences would be corrected, as it's evident that this is not the case the answer is yes.

>>14050348
>thinking that basic r/showerthoughts quote is "high level"
>comparing himself to Nabokov
Holy shit your delusion is profound, take your meds.

>>14050363
I mean, that'd just explain why the majority of people handles life just fine. People like OP would then be the people that lost contact with this bias.

I think I did understand your asymmetry correctly - why do you think my point doesn't fit?
Remember, I don't advocate for somehow trying to rid us all of suffering, which I actually consider impossible since we'd just run into new ways to suffer, as, yes, Dosto also said; I advocate for viewing our suffering in a different light. In the light non-jaded people view it in, who never learned to view it differently.
Which, to add on, I wouldn't call a step back, since it's what a lot of historical intellectuals did, if you ask me. Goethe, Aristotle, Melville, to name some.

Alas, the thread is coming to an end. Sorry if you don't have time to respond. I'll check in on the write what's on your mind thread if you want to continue this there.

>>14050408
Every aphorism boils down to a shower thought. It's easy to convey them, difficult to conceive them. Read literally any classic and you'll see that their enlightening quotes boil down to very simple concepts presented in a different light.

>>14050412
>I'll check in on the write what's on your mind thread if you want to continue this there.
Get a fucking life dude.

>>14050423
Aren't you one of the guys that's been with me for hours mang

>>14050419
>Every aphorism boils down to a shower thought.
Only banal ones
>It's easy to convey them, difficult to conceive them.
If you found it difficult to come up with that then you must struggle with thinking of things in general
>Comparing himself to the classics again
Delusional

>>14050425
I'm scouring the bottom page retard

>>14050429
The non-banal ones you write off as incoherent gibberish because you don't trust me to be able to provide something of value. You're putting me in a tough spot here.

>>14050437
Thanks for telling me, very interesting

>>14050439
Don't be so banal and incoherent next time then

>>14050450
You're welcome, wanna suck my dick?

>>14050412
If I can take OP at his word as one of these dispossessed men who have an increased propensity to suffering due to genetics or other means, his distress becomes entirely understandable. For some life becomes unbearable because they simply fell of the Darwinian track being left behind, I don't think they get the sympathy they deserve, their outburst are warranted.

>>14050462
Only boring shower thoughts can be presented coherent to a degree even the most critical audience - read: you - would bother running it through their mind

Here's a real one then: God lives in the uncloseable gap between unattainable absolute nihilism and rationality
So now what? Will you allow this thought to penetrate your mind the way I'm about to penetrate this guy? >>14050471

>>14050473
I agree that anybody championing an "everybody has the same chances to be happy!" is a retard. Note that I don't mean to tell OP to "just get over it," I'm telling him how to gradually get rid of his pessimism - or well, how I believe he could.

>>14050492
>Will you allow this thought to penetrate your mind the way I'm about to penetrate this guy
Fuck off faggot, don't drag me into your autistic arguments

>>14050492
>God lives in the uncloseable gap between unattainable absolute nihilism and rationality
Pretentious nonsense, utterly meaningless.

>>14050515
>I'm telling him how to gradually get rid of his pessimism - or well, how I believe he could.
You haven't done this at all.

>>14050546
I'm actually amazed you didn't call that a banal shower thought as well.
Read Meister Eckhart if you want somebody you aren't so antagonistic towards to present the point in a slightly different way.

>>14050549
I literally have, like, not even in a vague manner. I gave step by step tips and all

>>14042629 Probably the psuediest post I've ever seen. > Half the literature you yourself listed offers an answer that satisfied the authors, Which he acknowledged: for most of them the answer was God, an answer that feels insufficient today. Did you even read the post? > And here's the thing: It's always the same answer, just shown from a different light. Yeah, Nietzche's answer is the exact same as the Book of Job's answer, what a load of shit. > existentialiat He's not an "existentialiat" he's a pessimist. >his issue of being a social outcast is ultimately rooted in being ugly and anti-social People can be social outcasts for all kind of reasons. Why isn't being ugly and anti-social the cause of being a social outcast? > Everything you do you do for your own sake. You love yourself. Your actions aren't any more powerless than everyone else's. They accomplish their purpose: they appease you. It doesn't matter what you think. I don't see how this vague aphoristic vomit can be seen as any sort of truth. What reasoning has lead you to say his actions aren't any more powerless then anyone else's? Why doesn't what he think matters? What do these things have to do with each other? >Just never fucking again drag men a hundred times wiser than you into your mud, they are not like you. God, you're an insufferable little bitch. He's not saying they are like him. He's saying the opposite. He's saying that their answers were insufficient, copes. He's a pessimist, which is a perfectly legitimate philosophical position which you haven't refuted or addressed in the slightest.

>>14050565
>I literally have, like, not even in a vague manner. I gave step by step tips and all
Where are they then?

>>14050515

A satisfying answer anon, I myself don't believe life is worth continuing if there is no improvement in oneself. Although I don't know if the pessimist would disagree with your statement, pessimism may simply give people who have thought carefully about their existential condition piece of mind knowing that their place in the world is assured and they don't have to feel the shame or guilt for not achieving what others have. within reason of course.

>>14050569
>complaining about the lack of point behind his existence
>not an existentialist
Sorry, I'll read the rest of your post but I don't think I'll bother correcting you on all the wrong points you made

>>14050580
There's no questioning retard, he's already decided there isn't a point.

>>14050580
he is a new faggot