/lit/ - Literature

>>14016622
Actual brutality in history would seem rediculous and over the top in the context of a story told to a modern audience. The scale of suffering is unimaginable.

>>14016622
>I like a fantasy book that shows real brutality. Not like in modern games and movies where there are female warriors and shit.
So basically brutality but pls only let women brutalized by men not the other way around. Why so sensisitive?
Anyway what you want is A Song of Ice and Fire.

>>14016622
Léon Bloy, when he wasn't busy insulting everyone or preaching apocalyptic apologetics, was quite fond of retelling the history of Middle Age and ancient slaughter.

>>14016697
>Anyway what you want is A Song of Ice and Fire.

I've read all the five books. It's not special. It's mainstream.

>>14016673
Gib examples. Only well documented ones, of course.

>>14016787
Nothing in your OP asks for something special and nonmainstream.

>>14017156
>>14016697

Asoiaf plays itself up to be this brutal realistic series but it really isn't. Mass rape and slaughter would have been common on all sides of a conflict for pretty much every period up to the modern day. Instead it portrays one side as above it all and too good to do such a thing. When brutality and especially sexual brutality exist it is only to prove how evil one side is and not shown in the common place matter of fact way that it really was back then.

>>14017177
It seems that was you want is not fantasy then, but history.

>>14017197
I don't get this argument. You can apply it to anything. You can say that asoiaf is already too realistic and not a fantasy novel. Or you can say that the Jason movies are reality.
I am not the other anon, but I want something that could have happened in reality but told with a good structure.

>>14017197
>>14017240
even historic fiction shy away from the more brutal aspects of history.
If you want to read a brutally realistic low-fantasy novel read my unpublished manuscript which I will never finish

The Darkness that Comes Before

>>14017331
>The Darkness that Comes Before

I read 1/6th of it once, it seemed promising. But I got too confused over all the names and groups. The Wizards schools, the non-humans, the atheist warrior monks? I don't know. But I couldn't keep up.

>>14017354
Unironically, start with the Greeks

>>14017366

Does it take inspiration from the actual Greeks in the real world? I imagined it was a mix between ancient China and Norse mythology.

>>14017354
Just ignore all that shit. He just throws you into the middle of the story without much explanation. It starts coming together. Prince of Thorns is pretty brutal as well.

>>14017354
Retard

>>14016622
you don’t need to hide your rape fetish behind a pseudo-intellectual veneer, anon

>>14017441
No, but it's pretty philosophical

From a simple Google search:
http://bestfantasybooks.com/best-gritty-fantasy

>Prince of Thorns:
>The violence is brutal and immediate, and across the trilogy Jorg does wonderfully entertaining things such as cutting off his friend's head simply because he needs something to throw, and somehow it never feels silly or edgy for its own sake.

>>14019072
Another one:

>The Darkness that Comes Before:
>This book is as profane and violent as the best of them, but what sets it apart are two things. Firstly, the writing is more poetic, and more literary than most, and at its best, it's beautiful. This contrasts against, a filthy, vulgar world, and a cast of violent characters. Secondly, the content of the book is deeply philosophical and intellectual, not in an 'everyone sits around and discusses the meaning of life' way, but in that the underpinnings of the characters and plot draw from eastern and western philosophies. The plot is epic and with many threads that play out across the series. It's a heavy meal, this, and not the sort of read that's for you if you're just looking for a light, entertaining read.

>>14018900
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>>14017144

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f33pvpdXzos

Just something I read today:

The Moriori are the indigenous Polynesian people of the Chatham Islands. As a small and precarious population, Moriori embraced a pacifist culture that rigidly avoided warfare, replacing it with dispute resolution in the form of ritual fighting and conciliation. The ban on warfare and cannibalism is attributed to their ancestor Nunuku-whenua. This enabled the Moriori to preserve what limited resources they had in their harsh climate, avoiding waste through warfare, such as may have led to catastrophic habitat destruction and population decline on Easter Island. However, when considered as a moral imperative rather than a pragmatic response to circumstances, it also led to their later near-destruction at the hands of invading North Island Māori.

In 1835 some displaced Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama invaded the Chathams. The invaders killed a 12-year-old girl and hung her flesh on posts. They proceeded to enslave some Moriori and kill and cannibalise others. A hui or council of Moriori elders was convened at the settlement called Te Awapatiki. Despite knowing of the Māori predilection for warfare, and despite the admonition by some of the elder chiefs that the principle of Nunuku was not appropriate now, two chiefs — Tapata and Torea — declared that "the law of Nunuku was not a strategy for survival, to be varied as conditions changed; it was a moral imperative." This precipitated a massacre, most complete in the Waitangi area followed by an enslavement of the Moriori survivors.

Moriori survivor recalled : "[The Māori] commenced to kill us like sheep.... [We] were terrified, fled to the bush, concealed ourselves in holes underground, and in any place to escape our enemies. It was of no avail; we were discovered and killed – men, women and children indiscriminately." A Māori conqueror explained, "We took possession... in accordance with our customs and we caught all the people. Not one escaped....." The invaders ritually killed some 10% of the population, a ritual that included staking out women and children on the beach and leaving them to die in great pain over several days.

>>14016697
>but pls only let women brutalized by men

i think you meant to say men brutalized by other men

>>14019286
Why do New Zealanders have mandatory courses in Maori language again?