/lit/ - Literature

>>14015088
No you went from brainlet to LARPer to midwit cynic.

>>14015088
the final stage is orgasm specifically prostate orgasm
or maybe death
or maybe its a white ethnostate
but just to be clear its definitely where you are

>>14015098
What is the big brain patrician stage?

>>14015088
The real final stage is embracing agnosticism while courting a mildly pantheistic world-wonder to accentuate your art

>>14015113
Becoming a coomer and posting threads on /lit/ about the latest issue of Jugs

>>14015194
Based but not redpilled. If you attached a coomer b8 image then it would’ve awarded you the “redpilled” moniker.

final form is probably taking from all theological beliefs. work ethic of jews, essential christian thought, eastern spiritualism, etc.

the final stage is realizing that beliefs suck and you should kill your ego with drugs.

>>14015113
>What is the big brain patrician stage?
Following Christ in a woodhead way: Don't believe in Heaven, Hell, God, the Spirit, anything difficult and brainy - just love your neighbour and accept your life.

>>14015280
based

Luke 17:20,21
>Now at one point the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God was coming, so he answered, The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst.

>>14015280
Why not just take the good from all religions then?

>>14015088
that's where i'm at kind of
also fuck christianity it ruined my life UGH i JUST WANT A GIRLFRIEND

>>14015387
Because my brain is not very strong and cannot hold many things at once. All I really know is the Sermon on the Mount and a little bit of meditation practice from reading a Kwan-Um-School Zen Buddhism book. If you have the power to look into many religions, and if you feel that your looking is helping you grow, then do it do it do it. I feel like any reading makes my mind hazy, because it gets too crowded in there - so I don't read and do practice instead. Good luck.

>>14015088
Read Guenon OP

>>14015088
The final stage is realizing not all modes of humanity are possible at all epochs in history. Attempting to be religious today is a falsehood.

You kinda sound like a brainlet desu, this seems like the average man's journey who sincerely believes that religion and science are somehow in a legitimate metaphysical competition with each other among other silly beliefs

>>14015526
They directly contradict each other so they can not coexist. The word of god is often scientifically improbable.

>>14015533
Just lol mate. You have a lot of reading and thinking to do if you sincerely believe shit like this.

>>14015533
Science is a causal barrier between this life and the next. The scientist and the priest perform the same task, bridging the gap between this world and the unknown. Science itself is a religion, it is of religion. One is a materialist philosophy and the other isn't.

>>14015549
Not an argument. A human being can not live inside a whale. It's not possible.
>>14015557
Science can be tested, proven and reproduced. Religion relies on belief and belief alone.

>>14015557
SCIENTISM is a religion, but not SCIENCE. Science is simply a method. It makes no truth claims, it contains no beliefs, it is in and of itself not even a metaphysical entity. But you are right, when most people say "science" they almost always mean "scientism". Especially when they say "believe science". Science is not a thing to be believed in or disbelieved in. What they really mean is "believe in scientism".

>>14015566
I wasn't trying to make an argument mate, this isn't a debate and I am not trying to prove anything. What I am doing is advising you to read and think more.

>>14015566
Both rely on belief. Science is based on the belief that the causality principle is God.

>>14015584
explain your reasoning instead of being condescending then.

>>14015113
Agnosticism that acknowledges pantheism and deism as the most valid theological structures whilst still maintaining that for now we cannot know for certain

>>14015596
No. You aren't going to get it. I don't give a shit if you find that condescending or not. I'm not going to change your mind by typing some shit at you in a few posts, we all know that is always an exercise in futility and its based on the pretense that we are each of us competent rational operators which are false. My advice is to open your mind and get outside your own mental structures that you've set up, question your most foundational assumptions and most important, experience things rather than think about them. Your choice to take the advice or not, but either way I'm not going to sit here and debate you, there is nothing to be gained for either of us.

>>14015400
heres a hint bro - its you, not christianity why you cant get a girlfriend
christianity just tried to convince you that its autistic to obsess over women, but i guess you are too much of a coomer

>>14015577
>Science is not a thing to be believed in or disbelieved in
I would disagree. Validity of empirical studies is certainly a question of belief. There are so many assumptions here that it's easier for me to believe in Zeus than in normally distributed errors.

>>14015533
Underage-tier post

>>14015626
So you can't explain your beliefs or summarize them briefly. You can't even suggest any relevant literature. "Just go outside brah" and "just open your mind brah" are not a good takes. Confirmed brainlet.

>>14015643
sheep

>>14015645
Yeah fair enough I guess, not sure what else I was expecting. Best of luck.

>>14015636
>Validity of empirical studies is certainly a question of belief.
Which is not something science is concerned with. "Science" is not concerned with anything, it is simply a way of thinking with a method to be applied. Even the validity of any supposed "empirical study" or any in particular exists outside of science, in the realm of metaphysics.
How can you have so many scientists with so vastly different metaphysical beliefs? Because science has nothing to do with those beliefs. Only brainlets who treat science as some kind of religion - ergo scientism - believe otherwise. They are the exact kind of people who would be Christians a few hundred years ago and pagans a few thousand years ago.

>>14015645
Oh, I guess for
>You can't even suggest any relevant literature.
If you give a shit read Joseph Campbell to get you started.

>>14015566
Science can be tested, proven LIKELY, and Usually reproduced. It relies on the belief of material realism which itself cannot be proven.

>>14015645
You might want to look into the philosophy of science. I don't know much about it, I only took one class on it, and did not take much from it, but the scientific method seemed to be very complicated indeed, with many unanswered and - so it seemed to me - unanswerable questions.

>>14015577
>>14015679
It is an important distinction to make but science and scientism are often used interchangeably.

>>14015113
Advaita Vedanta

>>14015088
>still see some value in religion
this is so cringe

>>14015767
>he doesnt see the value in religion
Anon I....

>>14015777
Blessed post

>>14015777
Opiate. Go back, liberal.

>>14015533
>he thinks religious texts should be taken literally

>>14015713
Yes they are, which is a real shame because the scientism follower purposely does so to confuse the listener into thinking he must be compelled to accept certain beliefs or he is not smart enough to use science or something, which isn't true. Disentangling the two terms would probably be the single greatest blow to scientism anyone could make.

>>14015088
read Walden retard

>>14015854
I've read it and enjoyed it. What's your point?

>>14015566
>implying the bible is anything more than parables
>implying religion is something for blind followers
"this isnt true because if it was then science isnt true."

>>14015113
If you have to ask...

>>14015605
Take DMT and psilocybin. You'll know for sure.

>>14015088

Yfw you realise you were never saved in the first place.

>>14015626

Omg it's like anon grew up and got wise

>>14015866
combine the two ways

>>14015088
Sadly, no. Since you were obviously taught religion at a young age, it's irrationally locked into your development, and you can never--literally NEVER--be a true atheist.
You will ultimately lose your nerve and default to it again as you approach the end of your life. It's irrational and cowardly and absurd, but it's the most likely scenario. Enjoy your clarity while you can.

>>14015088
>It's another religious debate on /lit!

Yay, lets keep going round and round in circles!

>>14016043
I know there's some validity to a religious approach to life but whenever it's brought up on /lit/ you just get vague intellectual posturing and larpers. No one seems to be able to explain WHY exactly they are for or against religion in a clear and well thought out manner.

>>14016043
Tell me: If the buddhas nose is made of stone, how can you play a tune on it?

>>14016049
I am for religion as a way to explain the unknown, to subdue fear of death, and to teach people to be peaceful and kind. Among other things.

>>14015605
Why do you think they are the most valid theological structures?

>>14015113
Taoism

>>14015088
You became a bugman. Contrats.

>>14016049
Do the readings. Its no one's job to explain to you these things in ways that you arbitarily decide make sense you. I've talked to many religious people on here that made perfect sense to me and materialists always seem like retards. Do you think maybe its because of bias?

>>14016144
>Do the readings. Its no one's job to explain to you these things in ways that you arbitarily decide make sense you
/lit/ is for discussion breh. No need to be so defensive. People aught to be capable of discussing and fleshing out their own ideas instead of resorting to memery. What you said could literally apply to anything posted on this board.

>>14015113
Esotericism

>>14016049
"Religion" has no value. If this is all there is to it >>14016066 then we may as well all kys
It's about encountering, experiencing and becoming the eternal. Thanks Jesus

>>14015684
I’ve watched some of his lectures but haven’t read any of his books. I’ll give it a shot.

>>14016233
So you did all that... and then decided to keep hanging out on 4chan arguing with degenerate morons?

>>14015645
>So you can't explain your beliefs or summarize them briefly

Look man, I don't know you and I just got here. But in so many subtle ways, how you word your queries displays a lot of room for low-hanging fruit type of growth. Which is really neat, because that means you actually stand a chance of being a conscious agent in the world. It's like the intermission is about to end, and the movie is actually about to get good.

The anon you were talking to before can see this. That's why his posts read like someone who has maintained an inner faculty of emotional mastery, while yours read like, for lack of a better term, a smaller dog who wants to pick a fight. This is not a bad thing, by the way, I'm giving you feedback so you can learn and perhaps even grow.

I suggest taking a look at what exactly it is that makes up a person, and how much you value beliefs. There are many sources for this, the core philosophical texts are good ones. Let's just say that someone's beliefs are effectively worthless and should be viewed as such. A belief is nothing more than a filter by which emotional content is generated, and that belief itself is founded on one of an infinite number of equally valid points of view that is adopted solely for the sake of convenience and usually unconsciously. This point of view can be shifted at will, progressively with respect to any belief as it comes up, which results in you basically feeling good all the time and not needing to lambast strangers on the internet for potentially disagreeing with you about some trivial thing.

If you can open your mind to grok this, if you can get out of your own way, you'll be doing great. Everyone's waiting for it. Everyone's waiting for you to be you. Stop being this petty little mask you pretend to be, it fools no one, least of all you.

>>14015113
The patrician view of religion is creating/co-opting religion to promote your own views and goals.

>>14017242
>this entire post
If your goal was to actually help that guy you did a piss poor job at it friend. Lmao If it’s b8 that’s gone over my head then 10/10

>>14017192
Going to have to agree. I don’t understand how you could claim to be an enlightened or transcendent individual and still come to this shithole. A larp is the only thing that makes sense.

>>14015088
Science can refute religion

>>14017597
The only correct answer.

>>14017687

>>14017362
Not him but its just an imageboard. You people act like its some altar of despair or some shit. You're just glorifying your own lives through indirect means. What should he be doing, be off praying in a church or some shit? In any case whether he is enlightened or not doesn't matter, all that matters is the ideas he has yet forth, yet you cowardly don't talk about them and instead make some shitty crack to get the conversation away from its very point of existence.

>>14017724
>What should he be doing, be off praying in a church or some shit?
Not him, but yes. Honestly I need to get myself back to Mass. It's been years, and my soul feels it.

>>14016159
>What you said could literally apply to anything posted on this board.
That's literally my point. Yes it is just for discussion, but that discussion is always wasted because we're set in our own ideas and we are not rational. No human is. We are only trying to convince ourselves on here.

>>14017242
Good post. Confrontational but it needs to be. People need to see there's more to life.

>>14015113
Camus already settled this. Religion does not mesh with the modern man and if you try and force it you are imbibing delusion. You must find meaning and purpose outside of religion and without god.

>>14015305
worst misinterpretation I've ever read

>>14017952
>You must find meaning and purpose outside of religion and without god.
Yes, of course. Truly a brilliant and attainable conclusion. Just embrace your subjective passions!

>>14015113
Realizing that theology is bullshit, but that belief in a higher power motivates people to achieve great things, and prevents the weak willed from becoming disenfranchised. So you make yourself appear like a passive agnostic. Someone who doesn't subscribe to a religion, but also someone who is open to the idea.
As this will put most people's guards down.
Atheists will think you are on their side. And theists think that you can be converted to their side.

Meanwhile, you subtly manipulate people's opinions by playing devil's advocate to their beliefs. Not outright shaming them, but still sowing the seeds of shame. Not trying to make them a non-believer either. Just make them redefine what it means to believe. Until their beliefs become your beliefs, only they justify it by saying a higher power wills it so.

Shame and memetics.

I love believe very much. It's so much fun. You don't need to listen to reason and can do what you want. There are so many things to believe in. And once you believe in something, you become the king and queen of that country. I don't know why one should be reasonable rather than unreasonable, atleast as long as noone gets hurt. Now that's something I believe in.
Do you want it? - Yes. - You can have it for free!
What a life, what a life. Innit?

>>14015088
>>realize that’s bullshit and that edgy teenage me was right all along
>>still see some value in religion but don’t believe in it

this but when i was 20 years old

>>14018443
Baste

>>14015844
>he bases his perspective of reality on metaphors

>>14015879
Have you done so, friend? What did you learn?

>>14018063
The "objectivity" of religion is mostly in community and sharing. It has a foundation of other people believing but it was made by subjective faulty humans just like you. If you think the meaning of life is to connect with others then go for organized religion, but even in that case it seems better to convert others to your "subjective ideas" and make your own religion to dominate the world.

>>14015877
This guy gets it

>>14017292
This, go home fellas. This guy has all of us beaten