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Thoughts?

>> No.14008105

And prayers

>> No.14008137

>>14008090
Is this a good abridgement?

>> No.14008167

>>14008137
I didn't think it was abridged

>> No.14008172
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14008172

its one of those books

>> No.14008247

>>14008172
one of those?

>> No.14008261

>>14008167
Wasnt there 13 books originally?

>> No.14008268

>>14008261
Yes, and that edition also has 13 books

>> No.14008282

>>14008090
>In the work, Augustine writes about how much he regrets having led a sinful and immoral life.
What did he even do? Skipped Sunday Mass once? lmao

>> No.14008289

>>14008282
Stole some fruit.

>> No.14008366

>>14008282
He was a sexual deviant overindulged and persecuted Christians

>> No.14008371

>>14008090
skrid jonas

>> No.14008370

>>14008090
Unironically how hard is it to learn Latin

>> No.14008375

Based mommypill writer.

>> No.14008382

>>14008370
It's easy to learn. But it's difficult to master

>> No.14008442

>>14008090
falls apart at the end

>> No.14008625

>>14008282
>has sex with a woman once
>steals pear from a tree
>joins manichee
It's insufferable how he goes on and on about trivial bs asking for God's forgiveness. Now if he had murdered, lied or led a debauched life that would be a more interesting read. He tries too hard to force the narrative of redemption.

>> No.14008633

>>14008625
thats one time more than me

>> No.14008635

>>14008282
had his dad show everyone his erect penis while bathing

>> No.14008636

>>14008090
Roasties

>> No.14008638

>>14008633
lmfao

>>14008625
he had a concubine that he knocked up once, she left to become a nun, and he immediately got another one.

>> No.14008647

>>14008625
i think that is why it is so cherished by me. ive never done aynthing horrible, ive layed down atop a few lasses and maybe a little bit of teen drinking. yet still i am haunted by this feeling of imperfection , not quite being living a life that i am quite proud of. typically i can cope but often i spiral because of this. and why cope when you can address the fundamental issue? the reality is that i will always be an imperfect person. and every person i admire has been imperfect. performing analysis on ourselves, demonstrateing how we are imperfect leads us to be abel to better lead a good lief. augustine bitches about the trivial shit he's done not because it is horrible but because it haunts us all.

>> No.14008689

>>14008090
can I get the basic gestalt senpai?

>> No.14008737

>>14008090
how’s freshman year going

>> No.14008798

>>14008625
>Dude it’s needs to be epic on a grand scale with dark themes!
Go to reddit

>> No.14008807

>>14008090
Can't find a single copy in this God forsaken country

>> No.14008816

>>14008807
I got mine on Amazon for ~5 bucks

>> No.14008848

>>14008798
>praying to god because i fucked a thot

Lmfao this is your philosophy?

>> No.14008893

>>14008848
It won’t make sense if you haven’t had sex mate, sorry

>> No.14008950
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>Such was my life! But was it life, O my God?

>> No.14009071

>>14008893
>praying to god because i fucked a thot is too complex

>> No.14009285

I dont get this book :(

>> No.14009352

>WOE IS FUCKING ME
>OH GOD FUCK ME IN THE ASS OH GOD I'M YOUR SLAVE OH MY FUCKING GOD
>OH GOD I'M SUCH A BAD SINNER PUNISH ME HARD MY LORD OH GOD

>> No.14009379

Imagine being such a pleb that you cannot appreciate Augustine's GOD TIER prose.

TO CARTHAGE I came, where there sang all around me in my ears a cauldron of unholy loves. I loved not yet, yet I loved to love, and out of a deep-seated want, I hated myself for wanting not. I sought what I might love, in love with loving, and safety I hated, and a way without snares. For within me was a famine of that inward food, Thyself, my God; yet, through that famine I was not hungered; but was without all longing for incorruptible sustenance, not because filled therewith, but the more empty, the more I loathed it. For this cause my soul was sickly and full of sores, it miserably cast itself forth, desiring to be scraped by the touch of objects of sense. Yet if these had not a soul, they would not be objects of love. To love then, and to be beloved, was sweet to me; but more, when I obtained to enjoy the person I loved. I defiled, therefore, the spring of friendship with the filth of concupiscense, and I beclouded its brightness with the hell of lustfulness; and thus foul and unseemly, I would fain, through exceeding vanity, be fine and courtly. I fell headlong then into the love wherein I longed to be ensnared. My God, my Mercy, with how much gall didst Thou out of Thy great goodness besprinkle for me that sweetness? For I was both beloved, and secretly arrived at the bond of enjoying; and was with joy fettered with sorrow-bringing bonds, that I might be scourged with the iron burning rods of jealousy, and suspicion, and fears, and angers, and quarrel.

>> No.14009402

>>14009379
It's true Augustine was a prose genius

veni Carthaginem, et circumstrepebat me undique sartago flagitiosorum amorum. nondum amabam, et amare amabam, et secretiore indigentia oderam me minus indigentem. quaerebam quid amarem, amans amare, et oderam securitatem et viam sine muscipulis, quoniam fames mihi erat intus ab interiore cibo, te ipso, deus meus, et ea fame non esuriebam, sed eram sine desiderio alimentorum incorruptibilium, non quia plenus eis eram, sed quo inanior, fastidiosior. et ideo non bene valebat anima mea et ulcerosa proiciebat se foras, miserabiliter scalpi avida contactu sensibilium. sed si non haberent animam, non utique amarentur. amare et amari dulce mihi erat, magis si et amantis corpore fruerer. venam igitur amicitiae coinquinabam sordibus concupiscentiae candoremque eius obnubilabam de tartaro libidinis, et tamen foedus atque inhonestus, elegans et urbanus esse gestiebam abundanti vanitate. rui etiam in amorem, quo cupiebam capi. deus meus, misericordia mea, quanto felle mihi suavitatem illam et quam bonus aspersisti, quia et amatus sum, et perveni occulte ad vinculum fruendi, et conligabar laetus aerumnosis nexibus, ut caederer virgis ferreis ardentibus zeli et suspicionum et timorum et irarum atque rixarum.

>> No.14009410

>>14008816
I like to shop local and support my apparently shit bookstores

>> No.14010528

>>14008625
>>14008647
once he had realized how all-encompassing was God, even the smallest of transgressions seemed to him as infinite offenses towards Him, and he believed this from the bottom of his heart, and repented.

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>>14009379
Which translation is this from?

>> No.14010640

Finished it two days ago.

The whole thing has been brewing in my head ever since. I'll need to read it again, I did not think that it was going to be so complex. I'm just now starting to see the cyclical nature of the work. The ending leads you back to the beginning.

>that part about him being ashamed of showing emotion when Monica dies after his conversion
It destroyed me, I was in tears for nearly ten minutes.

His ideas on the timeless nature of God are also something special.
>Too late came I to love you, O Beauty both so ancient and so new! Too late came I to love you - and behold you were with me all the time . .

>> No.14010649

>>14009379
>>14009402
Okay, sold. Will read it next.

>> No.14010669

>>14010640
>It destroyed me, I was in tears for nearly ten minutes.
corny

>> No.14010676

>>14010669
Do you guys not cry when reading the Bible or is it just me?

>> No.14010696

>>14010676
They're probably gaytheist plebbitors, please ignore them.

>> No.14010697

>>14010676
I get emotional, I don't cry easily but I respect you showing your feelings.

>> No.14010809

>>14008090
At best he feels guilty for no reason any sensible person would feel guilt. At worst he comes across as a hypocrite who had his fun but now that he’s “woke” wants to stop everybody else from enjoying life— but hey, he had his fill of “sin” so he got his.

>> No.14010811

>>14010809
cringe

>> No.14010813

>>14010809
You seem to be quite dumb anon

>> No.14010815

>>14008647
Sounds more like anxiety disorder.

>> No.14010822

>>14010528
Sounds like anxiety disorder.

>> No.14010827

>>14010822
>everything is a disorder
>there's a pill for that!

The modern man everyone!

>> No.14010829

>>14010811
Not really. I think Augustine and people who wring their hands over sin and “transgressing” against god are either full of shit, delusional, or posers.

>> No.14010830

>>14010829
What do you mean?

>> No.14010839

>the material world is constrained by time
>time flows and never stops, there are three states of memory these being the present past, the present present and the future possible
>the soul is made in the image of God, so it is timeless
>it is not constrained by time, rather it "stretches" through your life, it is always present in you, like God is always present and the same, but does not age or change
>the soul already knows everything, but it needs education to be reminded of it's knowledge (platonic idea)

Is this correct? This is how I understood his ideas on time

>> No.14010948

>>14010829
It can often be an inverse means of exalting oneself. In the Abrahamic tradition, the lower you make yourself before God, the more exalted you are for it - thus the self-flagellation can easily be used for a kind of reversed self-aggrandizement. And don't even get me started on how much narcissism lies in the narratives of being "saved" or "chosen", and believing everyone else to be "damned" and "not given the Spirit".

>> No.14011815

>>14008625
t. Idiot that never read it.
Book 3 in particular, he mentions how debauched of a life he lead and how every friendship with a woman was polluted with the filth of concupsicnee.

>> No.14011821

>>14008247
Books

>> No.14012277

>>14008090
is this the edition most would recommend?

>> No.14012357

>>14008635
I remember reading that scene and figuring I must have been misinterpreting it, but that really does seem to have been what happened

>> No.14012364

>>14008625
Sex was something he struggled with all his life. He also had sex in a church or shrine once.

>> No.14012482

>>14012364
>He also had sex in a church
Not bad

>> No.14012610

>>14010822
>>14010815
He was more a free man than any of us are likely to be. Honesty about yourself and what desires control you is necessary to get over anxiety.

>> No.14012615

>>14010829
>people who disagree with me or show self awareness are (insert negative thing)
Sounds like you might be a bit insecure

>> No.14012707

>>14012610
But that doesnt make it easier to go over it

>> No.14012722

>>14012707
Yeah it does. How can you get over anything without being honest about yourself

>> No.14012791

>>14012722
Im honest about myself being coward. It changed nothing since i accepted the fact.

>> No.14012803

>>14012791
That’s not really what Augustine did though. He recognised his shortcomings, and how he was slavish to his desires, and then decided to overcome those things. If you feel like a coward, recognise when your cowardice inhibits you, and overcome it.

>> No.14012810

>>14012803
Its too overwhelming and my faith is weak. All im saying is that being honest doesnt make it easier.

>> No.14012823

>>14012810
Being honest is like the first step. It will seem overwhelming if you don’t keep going. Also, being honest about yourself puts you above weakness really. How can you call yourself a coward if you have the honesty to admit cowardice? Do you think the average person is intellectually brave enough to admit when their thoughts stem from self deception and cowardice? There is a bravery in that which can lead to self improvement

>> No.14012850

>>14012823
>if you don’t keep going
Thats the second part - i dont see where. Be brave? I dont see the reason.

>> No.14012855

>>14012277
bump

>> No.14012876

>>14012850
Because you obviously dislike being cowardly? Why not try to be a person you respect more? You’ve already been intellectually brave in admitting that some unwanted force exerts power over your decisions, so in a way you’ve already freed yourself a little bit. The next step would naturally be to emancipate yourself fully by not allowing it to control you. Being unable to do so is where the religious aspect comes in for Augustine, he admits he’s too weak, or has been too weak, and knows that god understands this and will forgive him for it.

>> No.14012936

>>14012876
>The next step would naturally be to emancipate yourself fully by not allowing it to control you.
Any advice on how to do it?

>> No.14013737

>>14008090
very kino, he influenced montaigne and pascal and many more
>t. agnostic lit

>> No.14013745

>>14011821
its

>> No.14013755

>>14008647
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I feel very similarly.

>> No.14013769

>>14012936
Personaly, I just try to implement it piecemail, even though could turkey is probably more effective. Even If I know I will never be my perfect self, its all in relitivity, as long as I can look back and say that I have made progress since then, that is enough. I know people arnt to big of a fan of gatsby here, but the "boats against the wind" and "THe green light has always stired something in me. It may be a romantic sentiment, but chassing that unreachable perfection, weather it is god or whathave you is purpose enough

>> No.14013775

>>14008090
Just bought the Folio Society edition trans. by Pilkington and with a forward by Enoch Powell.
It's the only edition I've seen that uses the same translation of the first line when he travels to Carthage as T.S Eliot's quote in the Wasteland:
>To Carthage then I came
Instead of
>I then went to Carthage
or
>I traveled to Carthage
which are both dull.

>> No.14013804

Probably less than 3 people have actually read it on this board

>> No.14014338

>>14013804
Well /lit/ barely reads anyway

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>>14011815
>every friendship with a woman was polluted with the filth of concupsicnee
Yeah, imagine that...

>> No.14014494

>>14008625
he is truely based then

>> No.14015075

>>14008635
ok but why