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RIP Harold Bloom. There is no one to defend the canon now.
A jew can't and won't defend our canon.
Who?
RIP Charles Jencks, Postmodernist
The Anxiety of Influence is tremendous, and I believe it is dismissed too readily by those who want to believe that no poet or writer is fighting a battle against their predecessors. Conflict, anxiety, and overcoming it are core to many writers who succeed in creating something new.Goodbye Harold.
>>13992585https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/books/harold-bloom-dead.html>it's realI thought this was supposed to be a joke.
FUCK
No discernible signs of life
STICKY NOWDO SOMETHING RIGHT FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIVES, MODS
>>13992597Kill yourself IRL monoboardculturist.
>>13992686Golly
>>13992585>There is no one to defend the canon now./lit/ - Literature
>>13992585please explain who this is to someone who doesn't read books
>>13992701>/lit/ is the final bulwark defending the canon from postmodernistswe're fucked
>>13992585When I was 20 I sincerely believed I would publish a few novels and Bloom would pronounce me canon before he died. This sucks.>>13992597Harold Bloom will be a ministering angel whilst thou liest howling.
>>13992720We have meme magic on our side, we'll be fine.
F
>>13992720Don't be so pessimistic, friend. We have several Ivy League students here, at least a couple of published authors, and Londonfrog. I don't think it's overly optimistic to expect some great things in the future from plenty of /lit/ users.
>>13992717Important academic and writer who wrote a lot on defining what it means for a text to be canonical, the most influential being Bloom's Western Canon.
>>13992720>defending the canon from postmodernistsI thought Bloom was okay with the works of Pinecone and the like, as long as teachers didn't use them to replace older canonical books.
>>13992752He's referring to postmodern critics more than postmodern authors. Bloom was famously against interpretations such as Marxist readings of Shakespeare or feminist readings of Chaucer. He argued that such readings said more of their respective viewpoints than it could of the works in question.
>>13992717Harold Bloom was a jewish literary gatekeeper.
>>13992686UNDERRATED
>>13992717Literary theoretician and critic, before used to be into some sort of psychoanalytic literary theory (see the book Anxiety of Influence), but is best known for his later skepticism towards more political theoretical schools (feminism, marxism) while firmly believing in objective value of (usually older, classical) literature and writing a book on the western canon (called Western Canon) which desired to catalog and showcase the best literature western culture has produced. Also wrote a very dismissive review of Harry Potter. I guess it doesn't take much brainpower to figure out why /lit/ loved him.
Mods, please sticky
>>13992800>guess it doesn't take much brainpower to figure out why /lit/ loved him./lit/ did not "love" him; we tolerated him because he was propped up as gatekeeper by the last generation and his tribe and didn't fuck up as much as he could have. But Bloom should never have been in the position he was. He was a racial outsider presiding as judge over our literary culture and and history, and this was frankly unacceptable.
>>13992838>/lit/ did not "love" him; we tolerated himShut the fuck up newfag, we loved him.
>>13992838why do /pol/fags have to stick their butts into everything
>>13992838>muh racefuck off, school of ressentiment
>>13992771Anyone know why this postmodern criticism is SO prevalent in American universities? I majored in English and I swear to God every fucking lit class I took was just>heres a book> heres some entry level Marxist/psychoanalytic/feminist/historicist theories>now use these bullshit theories to analyse the textI had at least half a dozen literature classes just like this. Why can't a book be read and understood on its own terms? Why do books need to be analysed through some preconceived lens?
>>13992838pls. Even most of the right wing people on /lit/ liked bloom, even most of the vaguely antisemitic people as well. Why would you hate a guy who stuck his neck out to champion the exact literary tradition you love?
>>13992848No, we did not. He was an alien outsider who wasn't as destructive as he could have been. Get over your jewish gatekeeper Stockholm Syndrome.
/lit/ dies alongside Harold
>>13992585Christ /lit/ sucks now. IT ALL STARTED WITH BLOOM.
>>13992585Pray that he knows what to say before Yaldabaoth.
>>13992688>>13992837
>>13992585Considering how willing he was to blatantly lie over a children's book, how many falsehoods are hidden through his work?
>>13992858Because that's not what he did, moron. It has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with him not being a member of our culture in the first place.
>>13992857In my experience, almost all questions like this regarding why people are so aggressive with this shit can be answered with 'the person in question wanted a moral high'. People enjoy criticizing Chaucer and Melville from a modern perspective because those people can feel both intellectually superior to the authors and morally superior than the masses by promoting such ideas. Bloom hit the nail on the head when he called them "the School of Resentment".
>>13992838It's the Jew in your mind that matters, not the Jew in your blood.
Protect.. the.. canon..I entreat ye... /lit/...Good...bye...
>>13992861Why use "we" when referring to /lit/, when your very existence is a negation of the /lit/ mode? It's obvious you had not browsed this board prior to say, 2015.
>>13992884Nice cope, cuck.
Has anyone read this? It's his last major work and is supposed to be his swan song, excluding Flight to Lucifer ofc
>>13992857Literally cause they're easy to teach. You don't have to explain historic, cultural, or economic background. You can approach a text through one lens. If professors do that its easier to teach.
>>13992838>by the last generation and his tribe and didn't>But Bloom>culture and and historyYou can't even stay incognito for ten seconds, can you /pol/? What the fuck is this garbage you've spewed out? How about you stay the fuck off of /lit/ until you can write at a high school level?
>>13992900Yes. It's mostly him mourning over dead poet friends. Pretty sad.
>>13992861>weFuck off, invader, you're not one of us.
>>13992886Requiescat in pace old man
>>13992890Stop worshipping a foreign gatekeeper of western culture. We tolerated Bloom and didn't hate him because he wasn't as destructive as his coethnics usually are.
>>13992918whether you think you're right or not it is simply a fact that most of the board doesn't agree with you. People might be open to discussing jewish nepotism or whatever(even that is a minority) but you have a pathological hatred of the entire people that makes you the odd one out here.
>>13992585ripi enjoyed watching his charlie rose interviews
>>13992928What was the last thing he read, /lit/?
What did he mean by this?
>I’m glad I spent my life acquiring books
Sad, sad day.
>>13992935Henry IV Part I obviously
>>13992924No, you don't belong here. No one is saying they hate Bloom, but that he was an outsider who never had any business gatekeeping our culture.
>>13992940A friend of mine was a regular dinner companion of Bloom's, and he said in spite of his health issues for the last several years, Bloom seemed satisfied with the life he led. My brief email exchanges with the professor lead me to believe the same.
>>13992954>My brief email exchanges with the professormind sharing/paraphrasing?
>>13992954Poast excerpts (not like he'\s going to care now)
>>13992940He died doing what he loved, will you be able to say the same?
>>13992954just meme-ing friend
>>13992953Only you are saying that. You do not speak for /lit/ as a whole, you speak only for yourself.
RIP Harold Bloom
>>13992857>Why can't a book be read and understood on its own terms?Interestingly, it was precisely the US that started a whole school out of this idea - New Criticism.As to why the situation is like this right now, it's probably because of the lack of a more solid scholarly tradition in the States (lack of old-school rigorous philology), as well as letting the universities be guided by the market forces. Simply, they want to sell you new books on lit theory, so they ignore the old ones.I'm studying in continental Europe where the situation is mostly better. This semester I took a class on classicism, and on the list of secondary literature we were offered some historical overviews published literally in the 19th century. The prof explained basically what I said above - there's an academic culture of fashion and fast changes. Fortunately, we can still read those older books, but that takes some initiative on the part of students or profs.People will read some malicious subversive intent in marxism and feminism and stuff like that feminist translation of Homer, but I'd sooner say that it's just a desire to make money. Most of those scholars are just too braindead to consciously fight the western culture or whatever.
STICKY
Shit just bought his book western canon like 3 hours ago. RIP you damn bastard
>>13992974>>13992872
>>13992964No, I am speaking for /lit/. You are merely some low-info cuck.
What o you think the last poem/book he read was?
At least he didn't have to outlive all of the authors he cherished.
>>13992982Then why does so much of /lit/ seem opposed to pretty much everything you say?Also, you write like a /pol/tard, which outs you as a newfag to the board.
Damn dis old ass nigga dead
state of emergency this is a wake up call aaaaaaaaaaa
Look at this garbage the pieces of shit at the NYT wrote about him in their obit. Journalists are cockroaches
>>13992585How sadly fitting. I found this out while working on my graduate application writing sample on Falstaff, using Bloom as a source.>>13992952If he had any choice in the matter, it was definitely this.
>>13993001eh the NYT article was about as fair as could be expected from those guys
>>13993001>Those sentence-starters>that comma usageIt's sad how all these journalists who despise reading the classics would so benefit from doing so.
>>13992982You aren't speaking for me, faggot. Go fuck yourself back to /pol/.
Harold Bloom- rest in pissWestern Canon- rest in piss
When did being a Philistine become en Vogue for people who think of themselves as being “elite”? (Blue Checks)
>>13993001>Kafka >white
>>13992688Listen to the dubs-man
>>13992585ill miss this nigga like youll never believe rip
>>13993024Back to your containment board
>>13993023don't dump that dogshit here
>>13993001>>13993024>Anglos>white
>>13993017You need to leave.
>>13993043no u
>>13993049NO(YOU)
>>13992585fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.Reading Bloom's "The Western Canon" in high school was a huge part in me wanting to read the classics. I am going to miss him. The Canon has lost it's chief defender.
>>13992982Your grammar and usage is fucking abysmal. Even if I agreed to your concepts (I don't), I would need at least five proofreaders to go through your ramblings to find anything I'd be comfortable putting my name near.
>>13992838Unfriendly reminder that you newfags will never be /lit/ and will always be outsiders to this board. Now please fuck off and let us have our meme thread
>>13993060Is that why I'm a professional, published writer, and you are a kissless virgin NEET?
Alexander died, Alexander was buried, Alexander returneth into dust
>>13993082>Is that why I'm a professional, published writergiven the state of literature, probably
>>13993001>When the person criticized is the reviewer pretending to be anyone but
>>13993089You're an unappreciated, deeply emotional artist, I'm sure. You fucking cuck.
>>13992585He was a sexual predator
>>13992686Kek
>>13993001Who is the author of this obit?
>>13992771Some of Shakespeare's plays like Timon of Athens can actually be read pretty clearly from a Marxist perspective.
>>13992961>>13992958Just friendly responses to my sophomoric questions about influences on Shakespeare. Not enough to really make sharing worth it.
>>13993086>What though the field be lost? All is not lost; the unconquerable Will, And study of revenge, immortal hate, And courage never to submit or yield: And what is else not to be overcome? That Glory never shall his wrath or might Extort from me. To bow and sue for grace With suppliant knee, and deifie his power Who from the terrour of this Arm so late Doubted his Empire, that were low indeed, That were an ignominy and shame beneath This downfall; since by Fate the strength of Gods And this Empyreal substance cannot fail, Since through experience of this great event In Arms not worse, in foresight much advanc’t, We may with more successful hope resolve To wage by force or guile eternal Warr Irreconcileable, to our grand FoeLiterature will rise again
And so it was I entered the broken worldTo trace the visionary company of love, its voiceAn instant in the wind (I know not whither hurled)But not for long to hold each desperate choice.
>>13992939Why did he lie about something that can be refuted so easily?
>>13993134>Literature will rise againOnly if the West can beat back the foreign hordes and reestablish our culture apart from jews, even decent ones like Bloom. Without that white high culture will continue to die out.
I feel we need an Armond White-type of literary critic.
Thought it was fake. RIP, Bloom.
>>13992681Lmao the URL is so plain that I was completely convinced that it was fake and wouldn't anywhere, no idea why I even clicked. RIP
>>13993023>When asked about the allegations in 2015, Bloom stated, "I refuse to even use the name of this person [Woods]. I call her Dracula's daughter, because her father was a Dracula scholar. I have never in my life been indoors with Dracula's daughter. When she came to the door of my house unbidden, my youngest son turned her away. Once, I was walking up to campus, and she fell in with me and said, 'May I walk with you, Professor Bloom?' I said nothing."[58]WAS there a more based man in existence?
>>13993082Fuck off, Rowling.
>>13992737who is londonfrog
"No!"
>>13993001>This list of authors he appreciated are all white males. Note that we purposefully did not include female authors that he included in the canon in this list in order to smear this deceased Jewish man as a white supremacist.
Nothing against him as a person, but as a critic he was terrible.
Just a ghost
>>13992737Didn't Tao Lin browse /lit/ ?
>>13993223t. School of Resentment
>>13993223And why is that
>>13993223t. School of ressentment
>>13993172look at this guy imagine he's at the forefront of kulturjews bad! mummy!
lol when did /lit/ get to the point where people were dumb enough to like bloom on here
>>13992585F Mods, sticky. Now.
>>13993259Anon- he can't bait, he can't effortpost, there's no discernible talent.
>>13993221Exactly. Agenda always comes first. And Bloom wouldn't have spoken against his tribe using him to attack white people either because he understood the tribe comes first. It's for this very reason that he pointed the finger at some abstract group of "Marxists" instead of highlighting how the leaders promoting the School of Resentment were primarily jews.
WHERE'S THE STICKY
>>13992597>our canonYou've never written anything worth publishing in your life and you never will.
>>13993280You’re a retard. Why would he point the finger at Jews when that would cast too large a net, catching Jews who have nothing to do with this and leaving out non-Jews who do. Aim your critiques at the substance of what people believe not their fucking race. You’re just as bad as the school of resentment bloom failed against.
>>13992585>Whitman>Dickinson>Woolf>DickensWhy did he include so many meme authors?
>>13993296Railed against*
It's over.
>>13993298Literally none of those are memes.
>>13993296>Why would he point the finger at JewsHe didn't because he was a jew himself, and jews understand that the tribe comes first.
And nothing of value was lost
>>13992901This is exactly the reason, most of the time. That shit is really easy to write too and makes bullshitting papers in classes you don't care about a breeze.
>>13993312His teachings and memes lingered over this board since its inception.
AHHHHHHHHHHHH NO FUCK FUCK FUCKWe all knew it was going to happen one day. We've discussed it many times.The canon is done.
>>13992982Retarded /pol/acks thinking that 4chan is exactly what CNN told them it was in 2016 should be shot
>>13993280AMEN FELLOW KEKISTANI!!! DEUS VULT! Can't wait to reconquer western civilization from the (((Marxist SJW's)))
>>13993335>tfw feeling nostalgic for 2016 /lit/
>>13993023Fuck this twitter faggotFUCKING BLUE CHECK MARK NIGGER I could almost scream
>>13993318No, he just wanted to read good literature, he didn’t give a fuck about your identity politics bullshit
>>13992857It's because American universities are fundamentally bourgeois institutions, and as a social class the bourgeois are fundamentally mediocratic. The idea of "everyone's opinion being valid" is the logical endpoint of a society which extended so thoroughly into every element of life that it deprived the individual of the ability to assert themselves (a la DeToqueville, Nietzsche, Hegel) except through institutional mechanisms.By hiding behind ideologies and devaluing opinions through inclusivity, a hugbox is created which raises the floor and lowers the ceiling of "esteem granted per unit of intellectual merit"-- esteem being the foremost bourgeois value.It'll die with capitalism, but it'll get worse before it gets better. Universities will be the last holdout; most fundamentally bourgeois institution.
This news makes me very sad. And no one I know knew of him.Oh dear
>>13993058nah, still you. Bloom is /ourguy/ and always will be.
Why are there a bunch of people with pronouns in their twitter bios apparently dancing on his grave? He just wanted to preserve great art
>>13993370>the most tribal and racially conscious people on earth don't think in terms of race and tribalism You're delusional.
>>13993317If you are a yank and can't speak foreign languages.
>>13993104Did he rape your mother or something? Literally who cares, twitterfag.
>>13993392I currently speak 5 languages. I'm an ESL.
Bloom was a massive hero of mine. He could, undeniably, be a contrary old twat with a tendency for self promotion but his passion for the canon, for the quality and aesthetics and the history of literature were ever present and completely intoxicating to a young undergraduate like me, who had been lulled into a deathlike state of boredom by the sterile and ideological teaching of his faculty and had begun to fall out of love with literature. I used to spend hours reading his books in the library, despite my lecturers insistence that he should be ignored and left to rot like the dying old fossil he was. But through that reading, a whole new world opened up and with Bloom as my guide, a whole new way of seeing.The amount of writers and texts I discovered through Bloom is countless. He showed me the importance of tradition, of precedence, of structure and form while never being afraid to be iconoclastic when the time came for it. I take these lessons forward into my every thought and action. I can genuinely say that I would not be the man today without him, for better or worse. I wish I could have met him and express my gratitude. All I have to give are these awkward hastily written words. RIP
>>13993391Harold bloom was not a cultural Jew, that’s apparent by his entire life’s work. He was detached from that bullshit, just like he was detached from the ridiculous feminist Marxist bullshit
>>13993236>>13993238I don't give a damn about minority issues and inclusion-efforts in curriculums. I think reading varied works from all sorts of people is healthy, but in the end of the day what really matters is the quality of the work itself, and it doesn't matter who created it. >>13993237>And why is thatMy problem with Bloom is this: He never analyzed the style and literary techniques of the works he studied. He produced several assertions without any proof. His book on Shakespeare is a good example. He could not even produce a single passage of analysis of metaphors or similes, or how language was constructed to elevate this or that passage. He quotes from Shakespeare again and again, but never dissects the wonderful passages of poetry that he quotes. All he does is to vomit a messy broth of pseudo-psychology of the characters, make exaggerated statements about all sorts of subjects (something like "Hamlet is as close as a human conscience ever came to a God") without substantiating such statements and mention a thousand times words like "agon" and "gnostic". In his reading you do not feel the slightest glimpse of the verbal sensitivity that a linguistically gifted person possesses. Try reading Nabokov's criticism after Bloom to see what i'm talking about.To see how poor Bloom was, it is enough to contrast his book on Shakespeare with the work of Mark Van Doren. To see Bloom's lack of understanding of how language and poetry works, just look at what Frank Kermode did in his book "Shakespeare's Langauge."You read Bloom and you don't learn anything about how a particular work of art was created. You don't learn anything about how the writer's style works, or how his language has evolved over time. You don't learn anything about what makes this great writer, for Bloom can only state but never demonstrate. Bloom's criticism is a waste of time.I guess articles like these can help me to express what I feel about Bloom:https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/nov/03/classics.highereducationhttps://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/haroldbloomI honeslty have no idea how someone could read so many books and make so great a effort and still don't acquire a single flame of verbal talent.
>>13993402Where should I start with him? Western Canon text?
RIP Professor Bloom, and thank you for your service to the canon
>Anon, thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to come help me around the house. When you get to be my age you'll find your strength leaves you, and help is needed. Could you please find and bring me my copy of Hart Crane's collected poetry? Strange... I used to be able to recite them all by memory, but lately I seem to be forgetting things easily.
>>13993335>tfw making one of these squares is my only ticket for eternity
>>13993413That and Anxiety of Influence. His earlier stuff about the Romantics is pretty comfy too.
>>13992585sleep well Mr Bloom, sad I never got to meet you
>>13993408This seems accurate from what I’ve seen of him. I haven’t read his books because I consider literary criticism to be a waste of time but from his interviews he says shit like “blood meridian is a nightmarish experience the judge is such and such” and never explains the writing style or the meaning behind it. Just blanket assertions with no elaboration.
>>13993408>unironically linking to the fucking guardianGet out of my fucking board you pseud
>>13993428>His earlier stuff about the Romantics is pretty comfy tooReading the Visionary Company right now, can confirm it's excellent.
>>13993406There is no group more tribalist and racially conscious than jews. It's such a deeply rooted, biologically driven reality that for you to believe Bloom was above such things indicates that you are simply not very intelligent.
>>13992585Rest in peace Professor Harold Bloom. You were a true lover of literature.
>>13992597fuck off /pol/ tourist
>>13993454I'd rather speak to a jew like Bloom any day than a fucking /pol/ack
>>13993416>Mr Bloom good morning>I bought you a copy of some rare renaissance verse I found in a charity shop, thought you'd enjoy a qiet day in to read it>Mr Bloom its a bit late in the day to be still in bed>M-Mr Bloom?>You okay?
>>13993173Nabokov is a contender, although he's more like Scaruffi
>>13993454>There is no group more tribalist and racially conscious than jews.Substantiate this claim. >It's such a deeply rooted, biologically driven reality Prove it. stormweenies are always making this claim but they never substantiate it with any evidence. I think you're delusional.
>>13993401Why do you have that perspective then, those authors are memes and really don't compare with the others.
>>13992597Then what the fuck do you have to say about the fact that he did, his entire life? Was he just pretending?
>>13993498don't encourage it
>>13993490You aren't speaking to one. You are embarrassing yourself by forwarding the ridiculous thesis that jews are individualist thinkers like whites are, when they clearly are not.
>>13993023What a piece of human filth. Imagine a day in the life of this cockroach
RIP
>>13993416>>13993494d-delet this
>>13993498Jewish culture revolves almost singularly around distinguishing themselves from the goyim subhuman cattle.
>>13992597It's their cannon now. They earned it.
>>13993499Maybe Whitman is Amero-centric, but Dickens and Woolf are seriously good writers.
>>13993408His earlier work doesn't suffer from this nearly as much and is pretty strong scholarly material. Later Bloom suffered from intense laziness and he simply stopped giving a shit about academic rigour which produced the effect that you write about here. He stopped being a "critic" in the academic sense and started to fashion himself as a kind of gnostic visionary essayist, a kind of weird unseemly hybrid between Johnson and Blake. This was tendency he had always had in him but it utterly took over in the 90's. The literary insight is limited but I have always found them incredibly stimulating to read, despite being often quite repetitive and occasionally obnoxious. There's rarely a hint of close reading in essays of Johnson or Hazlitt - you don't read them necessarily for insight into other works but for the essays as works in of themselves. So it goes with Bloom.
>>13992857Read Pope's essay on criticism,Yet if we look more closely we shall findMost have the seeds of judgment in their mind;Nature affords at least a glimm'ring light;The lines, tho' touch'd but faintly, are drawn right.But as the slightest sketch, if justly trac'd,Is by ill colouring but the more disgrac'd,So by false learning is good sense defac'd;Some are bewilder'd in the maze of schools,And some made coxcombs Nature meant but fools.In search of wit these lose their common sense,And then turn critics in their own defence:Each burns alike, who can, or cannot write,Or with a rival's, or an eunuch's spite.
>>13993508Nobody ever said they were all brilliant individualists, we all just told you to fuck offEvery single person on 4chan long enough to stumble into any of the small hobby boards has heard more rants about jews than the average Hitler Youth, this isn't new, shocking, or offensive to anybodyThe reason everyone hates you faggots is your complete inability to ever stop posting this shit for a single thread
>>13993506>Stop washing your hands, it encourages contagions
We know Bloom hated Harry Potter but did he ever comment on His Dark Materials?
>>13993522I don't think that is true. You seem like a paranoiac
RIP. He is stretching his legs in heaven now.
>>13993556You are the one ranting here. It's a complicated subject, and you have shown you don't understand the basics of it, likely because you are mid-tier IQ. Better just to stay out of the conversation than embarrass yourself like this, though.
>>13992597>>13992838is this a real person, or some tranny LARPing as a /pol/tardif real you are like the living breathing embodiment of the whole meme that white nationalists are just incel losers with nothing themselves to be proud of trying to latch onto the accomplishments of othersBloom is far more worthy of using the term "our" canon than you ever will be, fuck off m8
>>13992681>>13992585you fuckers memed this into existenceyou fucking fuckers. you complete incels. you fucking killed him. APOLOGIZE.
>>13993416>>13993494this makes me sad
>>13993522It’s possible for this to be true and Harold Bloom to have also been a decent man who just wanted to read books. It’s not like jews have a secret communications network where every single one of them calls in for their daily marching orders, anon.
>>13993593>Bloom is far more worthy of using the term "our" canonBloom was a semite. He was not a member of western culture.
>>13993571He likes it, and Pullman in general.source: the blurb from Pullman's Brothers Grimm retellings>“I’ve admired Philip Pullman since his early fantasy Galatea on through his splendid trilogy, His Dark Materials. All of his gifts, including his prose eloquence and his endless, high Romantic imagination, are manifested in this marvelous retelling of Grimm.” —Harold Bloom
>>13993606The first part is not really in question. Bloom could have done far more damage than he did. The second part is made up, no one is indicating that.
>>13993608I’m convinced you’re a pissed off tranny LARPing as /pol/
I'm glad he finally croaked.
>>13992838This. So much this. We were stabbed in the back by the Jewish ministers who propped Harold up as a literary proxy to our people. Now that he is finally gone we can seize the means of authority and place someone of our own in their rightful place. I propose a vote for one amongst litetary folk of pure White blood this time.
Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,Silence the pianos and with muffled drumBring out the coffin, let the mourners come.Let aeroplanes circle moaning overheadScribbling on the sky the message ‘He is Dead’.Put crepe bows round the white necks of the public doves,Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves.He was my North, my South, my East and West,My working week and my Sunday rest,My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;I thought that love would last forever: I was wrong.The stars are not wanted now; put out every one,Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun,Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood;For nothing now can ever come to any good.
>>http://thealternativehypothesis.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/PDF-FOR-RYAN.pdfno
>muh Western canonThe person who takes the notion of a “Western canon” seriously treats literature as primarily as a given corpus and therefore fails to grasp that literature continues to hold a promise - Stendahl’s “une promise de bonheur” - only as long as it draws near extinction and creation simultaneously. This conflict, which constitutes the essence of literature, will never be understood by someone who fetishizes the canon.
rip
Upon hearing that he always responded to emails, I wrote to him and shared a few fleeting thoughts while thanking him for introducing me to some authors I was unlikely to find otherwise.As a response he wrote a beautiful brief message that was both lovely and sad.He was a man.
Thank you Mods for the sticky.
>sticky thread>not even 200 repliesDamn.. I guess he never really meant that much to you guys after all
Why are people cheering his death on Shitter?
>>13993682Probably Harry Potter fans
He like totally sexually harassed me in college. Receipts coming on twitter!! xx
>>13993173 the post-trump culture war has fried armond’s brain, sadly, and now he just sounds like your average maga boomer
>>13993684Fuck you it just got stickied,1000 or fucking bust within an hour faggots. Do it for Harry
>>13993676I always wnted to write to him, how angry I am now that the opportunity is gone.
>>13993649>I propose a vote for one amongst litetary folk of pure White blood this time.Finally. Eith that old Jew gone, nothing can stand between me and the canon.
>>13993233Lol love how these memes have been waiting in reserve
>>13993719He had been among the walking dead for the last few years anon. Impressive he lasted thing long desu.
>>13993173Kill yourself, I mean this sincerely
>>13993682They're vultures, they've always been vultures, the can't help themselves
>>13993714Except the river Styx.
Alas, poor Harold! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy; he hath borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft. Where be your gibes now? Your gambols? Your songs? Your flashes of merriment, that were wont to set the table on a roar?
>>13993682metoo'd
>>13993676>>13993703Fare forward, /lit/.Fare forward.
>>13993682It makes me unbelievably angry. I usually don't give a shit but those cunts are triggering me beyond belief.
>>13993735>infinite jestDropped.
>>13993740lovely, seemed a genuine guy for all his flaws
Peace, peace! he is not dead, he doth not sleep, He hath awaken'd from the dream of life; 'Tis we, who lost in stormy visions, keep With phantoms an unprofitable strife, And in mad trance, strike with our spirit's knife Invulnerable nothings. We decay Like corpses in a charnel; fear and grief Convulse us and consume us day by day,And cold hopes swarm like worms within our living clay.
>>13993740I weep.
>>13993352Shit. In 2015/16 I was writing my master's thesis and started coming here. I remember all the memes about DFW and Harold. It's another piece of life that goes away.
>>13993495I mean contemporary.>>13993693Earlier White then.I want current well-spoken contrarian.
>>13992585Pray for Roger Kimball's good health, because after that, the canon is fucked.
i have a recording of one of his classes where he analyzes a wallace stevens poem. don’t know if it’s been posted already tho
>>13992882>>13992901>>13992973>>13993371>>13993539Thanks for the responses, friends! The way literature was approached/taught in my university always baffled me. It was interesting and enlightening to read your perspectives on the matter.
>>13992585F
Worlds a better place with less opinionated meta-theoretic jackasses.
>>13993703bloom was probably constantly flooded with fawning letters from insecure young /lit/ users ready and willing to defend the ”canon” after having ordered the robert fagles homer set on amazon. this thread is full of those utter bores
>>13993740Jesus fucking christ, i wasnt as sad as this in like 5 years
>>13993778Behold, an interesting and well balanced human being.
>>13992585Oh, I'm glad.
>>13993791t. School of Resentment
>>13992901>You don't have to explain historic, cultural, or economic background.I know this is probably bait, but isn't that explicitly what PoMo critics are rooted in? They're far rarer outside of the humanities departments than inside.
RIP to my nigga Harold Bloom
>>13993765Do share it, please.
>>13993765I'd be very interested, please post it
>>13993781What a sad, sheltered life you live
https://forums.hipinion.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=131263
>>13993798this desu
>>13993806>>13993805somebody already posted it. https://youtu.be/bUJXWgOOZOM
>>13992720its time for literary death squads.
>>13992585OH NO NO NO NO NO
>>13993828Based Harold.
>>13992872kek they banned me from the chat. mods are such squares. thanks for the sticky, though.
>>13993714kek
>>139937552015/16 was really the beginning of the end. We all saw the signs, yet we ignored them.
>>13993783Cringe
>>13993740
>>13993882Weak
IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE ENDHAROLD WENT UP THE HILL AND DISAPPEARED AROUND THE BENDASK ANYONE, THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT IT'S THESE TIMES THAT IT TENDSTO START TO BREAK IN HALF, TO START TO FALL APART, HOLD ON TO YOUR HEARTAND DO ME A FAVOUR AND BREAK MY NOSEOR DO ME A FAVOUR AND TELL ME TO GO AWAYOR DO ME A FAVOUR AND STOP ASKING QUESTIONS
RIP in piss
>>13993828This actually true, and a fairly modern view at that: USA only promoted the idea of a Judea-Christian tradition in opposition to the atheist Soviet Union. The country had a shared religiosity, but not a shared religion; the Mormons, Jews, Catholics, Baptists, etc. all had a 'shared culture' and so could united oppose communism.
I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone.
>>13993922why
>>13993922what did he ever do to you?
>>13992585fuuuuuccckkkwhat do we do now boys
>>13993944Nothing. It's over.
>>13993920pozzed fag
>>13993920It is to also be noted that "Judeo-Christian tradition" has generally morphed into being anti-Islam after the fall of the Soviet Union, as this is the current perceived enemy of "The West".
>>13993920You have to be really stupid to believe this. Jews ran the Soviet Union for decades upon its inception and were the main communist agitators in the US. "Judeo-Christianity" is a 20th century gayop.
>"Western Canon">not "Christendom Canon"1 job mr. bloom
>>13993981?
>>13993335>>13993352>>13993755 Fresh as the first beam glittering on a sail,That brings our friends up from the underworld,Sad as the last which reddens over oneThat sinks with all we love below the verge;So sad, so fresh, the days that are no more. Ah, sad and strange as in dark summer dawnsThe earliest pipe of half-awaken'd birdsTo dying ears, when unto dying eyesThe casement slowly grows a glimmering square;So sad, so strange, the days that are no more.
Call the roller of big cigars,The muscular one, and bid him whipIn kitchen cups concupiscent curds.Let the wenches dawdle in such dressAs they are used to wear, and let the boysBring flowers in last month's newspapers.Let be be finale of seem.The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.Take from the dresser of deal,Lacking the three glass knobs, that sheetOn which she embroidered fantails onceAnd spread it so as to cover her face.If his horny feet protrude, they comeTo show how cold he is, and dumb.Let the lamp affix its beam.The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.
>>13992686based
>>13993981Kafka and Freud and Nietzsche and many of the other ones weren't Christian.
>>13993996Kafka and Freud were jewish, and are thus not a part of the western canon anyway.
Often beneath the wave, wide from this ledgeThe dice of drowned men’s bones he saw bequeathAn embassy. Their numbers as he watched,Beat on the dusty shore and were obscured.And wrecks passed without sound of bells,The calyx of death’s bounty giving backA scattered chapter, livid hieroglyph,The portent wound in corridors of shells.Then in the circuit calm of one vast coil,Its lashings charmed and malice reconciled,Frosted eyes there were that lifted altars;And silent answers crept across the stars.Compass, quadrant and sextant contriveNo farther tides ... High in the azure steepsMonody shall not wake the mariner.This fabulous shadow only the sea keeps.
>>13992725He was Jewish so being an angel is a long shot.
>>13993740:(
>>13994002They had a profound influence on the canon and wrote in Western languages. Their ethnic background is irrelevant.
>>13994002Well according to Bloom and most academics, they are.
>>13993402A fitting elegy anon. RIP Papa
>made a post in a bloom thread a month ago wondering "when this old jew will die[sic]">he diesfear my powers mortals
>>13992585
>>13993402based. RIP Professor Bloom.
>/lit/... the canon... is in your hands>O, O, O, O!
>>13993963without it the jew-islam war in the mid east would all turn just like the recent news about the kurds.
>>13993615Bloom has great taste thenF
>>13993996>>13993987They lived in the geographical boundaries of Christendom, "Western Civilization" is cope
>>13992882I’ve tried to find an explanation for this problem that doesn’t boil down to the academics’ own personal inferiority complex, but I think it really just is resentment paired with theory-envy toward more prestigious disciplines like physics. Embarrassing. Liberal arts > humanities.
>The foundational texts of Christendom include Homer and Platobased
>>13993694Take that back. Armond “Honorary” White is top 5 most based men alive
>>13993777Doesn’t this make you a meta-meta-theoretic jackass? Also checked.
>>13992609Get out
>>13994064to >>13994052
>>13992882I believe the word you are looking for is “masturbatory”
>“You know, I don’t want to be offensive. But ‘Infinite Jest’ [regarded by many as Wallace’s masterpiece] is just awful. It seems ridiculous to have to say it. He can’t think, he can’t write. There’s no discernible talent.”
At least he's with some of his favorite authors now
>>13994109“But Stephen King is Cervantes compared with David Foster Wallace."
>>13994109>>13994118based as fuck
>>13994109>>13994116>>13994118Hack Old Bloom
>>13992585rip
>>13994021>Their ethnic background is irrelevant.Their ethnic background was jewish, i.e., non-western, i.e., not a part of the western canon, regardless of how many jews like Bloom try to shoehorn them in.
>>13992585Rest in peace. Western culture has entered a new era.
>>13994175Arabian Nights was written by Persians and is also part of the Western canon. The Greeks weren't Western but are also considered part of the canon. It's not really racial category as it is a cultural and linguistic one.
>>13994175>jews are non-western>but an offshoot of Judaism is
>>13994118Kek
>>13992585>real this timefuckin' hell lads
>>13992585The last of his kind. Though hopefully others can follow in his footsteps. The canon needs defending. F
Rest in peace, Sifu.
>>13992585RIP
>>13992585NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I hate /pol/ so much. One of the big three impending deaths of this board happens and there's one poltard replying to every single post in the thread that mentions Bloom defending the canon.
who will replace him?
>>13994239>One of the big three impending deaths of this boardWhat are/were the other two?
>>13993815what is this place and why should i care
>>13994175Are you retarded?
>>13994244If he makes an elegy video I might consider subscribing again.
>>13992585fare forward.
I pledge to shitpost against the DFW complex in Bloom's memory.
>>13994246Pynchon, McCarthy
>>13994264I think this is bigger for /lit/ than those two. Bloom was the spirit of the board.
>>13994246Rupi Kaur and John Green
>>13992686You've been saving this one for years haven't you?
>>13993656Holy fuckI'm dead serious, this poem crushed me. I have to get into English poetry finally...
>see the post>see the stickyoh god, it's real isn't it?
>>13992585There's literally no point to this site now.
>>13990465>get nostalgic for bloomposting>10 hours later he's fucking deadW-what did I do?
>>13992882>listening to History of Philosophy podcast>spends 3 episodes on Chaucer, two of which are about the misogyny within his writing
>>13994273Bigger than Pynchon? Nah. The spirit of /lit/ isn't embodied in one person, rather it's comprised of a collection of people and general ideas concerning the canon. Bloom was just one of those people and championed the ideas in question. There will be more.
>>13993740Fare forward, old friend
>>13993656THIS ISN'T HAPPENING
>>13994264Add Slavoj Zizek. This board will be unusable when he passes. Jordan Peterson too but he may still have 30 years.
>>13992609fpwp
>>13994311To the rest of the world? No. To /lit/? Definitely. I wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Bloom and I know for a fact I'm not alone in that. There is nobody like him writing now in a major way. Whether someone will take his place remains to be seen.
>>13994197>Arabian Nights was written by Persians and is also part of the Western canon.Persians / Iranians are Indo-European peoples. "Iran" literally means "Aryan." >The Greeks weren't WesternOkay, so you're just retarded.>>13994198Christianity is indeed an alien jewish religion.
RIP in piece literature
>>13994324I mean you're not wrong. These faggots have been the subject of over half the fucking threads here in the past year alone.
>>13994273>Bloom was the spirit of the board.False and cringe.
>>13994341Incorrect
Fuck, i lost my internet for two hours and the first thing i see when i get it back is this
>>13992973Kind of right. Certainly it was in the US that "theory" became truly fucking unhinged. In the postwar years, first Marxism, then feminism, then poststructuralism, then postcolonialism each provided valid and needed critiques of the blindspots of the Canon. By the 90s, however, a generation of mediocre American scholars had arisen, who believed that such critique was an acceptable substitute for the hard work of reading and understanding the Canon. Together with an envy for the harder sciences, this forged the Literature programmes you all describe. But their days are numbered.
>>13994344Bloom got a pass here because he didn't take a shit on the canon like most of his kind. But this was because he was silent generation, and he still subverted it in his own way.
>>13994335The Greeks weren't Western, though. That's partially why Spengler categorizes them as separate from the Faustian civilization.
>>13994311Pynchon is just a single author writing his own oeuvre. Bloom was writing about the entirety of the canon. Bloom embodies the readership of /lit/, while Pynchon the aspiring writers. At least that's how I see it.
>>13994360The ancient Greeks were European peoples. European peoples are responsible for western culture. The Greeks were thus western. And you are a retard.
>i will never hear bloom’s opinion of my workwhose opinion is there even left to care about?Silverblatt please stay safe
>>13992752Bloom adored Pynchon, he would definitely be in the canon
>>13994378They were Caucasian but they weren't Western, just like Persians also weren't. Cry more, /pol/tard. Kafka and Freud are part of the canon whether you like it or not.
>>13994356Oh it's you I thought you'd got bored
A giant among scholars is gone, as of today the struggle will be harder, our burden even greater, but the duty we owe him is a thousandfold!Let's honour our great teacher by loving literature just as he did, with zeal in our hearts, as if he's beside us!Την ψυχήν του δούλου Σου, Σώτερ, ανάπαυσον.
>>13994396They were white, western, European peoples. These are facts, it's not up for debate. >Kafka and Freud are part of the canonNo, sorry. You are confused, son. Saying the Greeks aren't western but jews are. Lol. Smh at the stupidity around here sometimes.
>>13994418Imagine thinking that a German speaking Jew writing in Prague, whose literary diet was exclusively western since he was raised in a western country, is not a western author. I bet you don’t think Ishiguro is a western author either
>>13992585How do I train to be the next Harold Bloom? I’m a freshman at Yale studying math
>>13994418Caucasian=/=Western.
>>13994448I’m gay if that helps
>>13994431Western = white, and jews and japs are not white. If you move to China and write a book in Chinese, you will not be considered an East Asian writer; you will be viewed as a westerner writing in Chinese. Western culture is no different.
>>13994376/lit/ actually reads pynchon tho
>>13994464What a twit
>>13994464If I was born in China, was a native speaker of Mandarin, and had read almost exclusively Chinese literature and philosophy so that my whole system of thought was Chinese, then I would be a Chinese writer, and I don’t care whether some dumb chink would recognize that
>>13993828Absolutely based. Rest in peace, canon man.
>thread has devolved into retards screaming about race shithow can I even be surprised
>>13994464>Western = whiteThat's where you wrong, kid. The Western Canon is about works that were written in a Western language or foreign-language works that influenced the canon like the Bible or Arabian Nights. It literally has nothing to do with race.
>>13994464>Eastern Orthodox Byzantine / Russian culture is Western
>>13994464People living in the west and contributing to western culture are part of the west. Pretty much the entire world is Westernized at this point
>>13994485>I would be a Chinese writerNo, because you aren't Chinese. That you think a white person can become Chinese is absurd and deluded.
>>13994464So then Eluosi-Zu aren't Chinese despite being officially recognized by the Chinese government as such?
>>13994501He'd be a Chinese-language writer, though, and at the end language is all that matters.
>>13994490No, the western canon highlights the work of western writers, meaning writers of European descent.>>13994497Sorry, that's not how reality works. Western culture is an outgrowth of European peoples, and European peoples alone.
FEvery medium needs a Bloom. Someone who's passionate, doesn't follow the trends, highly opinionated. Beautiful soul.
>>13993981>the Greeks and other pre-Christianity parts of the Western canon>Kafka and the other Jews who are part of the Western canon>"Christendom Canon"No.
>>13994503You aren't Chinese and could never under any circumstance be considered Chinese. You not get to choose to be Chinese or any race other than your own.
>>13994512>language is all that matters.Nobody believes this. Ethnicity and race are the drivers of culture, language is just a tool to express it.
>>13994524The argument wasn't about race. It was about the definiton of "western civilization" and "western canon."
>>13994516>No, the western canon highlights the work of western writers, meaning writers of European descent.History has proved you wrong, though, because lots of things in the Western canon aren't by 100% Europeans. Your mind is polluted with /pol/ tier views. You can whine all you want but Kafka will remain in the canon and your opinion will be nothing ultimately.
>>13994516The outgrowth of European culture is world wide. Anyone living in the USA or Europe are Western no matter what ethnicity they came fromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture
>>13994532It was until you were forced to confront the double standard by pretending you could be Chinese if you wanted to be.
>>13994524No one ever said that people of other ethnicities became white or British or German or anything else. But writings in a particular language, by an author whose mind has been formed by that literary tradition, is part of that literary tradition and canon, not the canon of his ethnicity
>>13994489A retard, singular.
I'm out, racefags fucked up the thread again. RIP HB.
>>13994534You are talking about very modern subversion of the western canon. Just as those retracted decisions were made, so will they be reversed.>>13994540Europeans create the best culture so we should expect nonwhites to mimic it, but mimicry does not make them white or western.
>>13994530No, all that matters in the Western canon of *literature* is the written word and should be written in a Western language.
>>13994541That wasn't what I said. I said the Chinese government considers White, non-"Han" people to be Chinese which is what you were arguing against.
No!
>>13994545Your argument is weak because you are forced to lie about language being the underlying factor, when language is just a tool. Culture is a function and representation of race.
>>13994556So the Bible/Arabian Nights/Confessions aren't Western since they weren't written by Europeans? kek it's you against everyone, lad. Your battle is lost.
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>>13994557You're simply wrong. Language is superficial. The western canon is about western people, not any non-white capable of writing in the language of a given western people. That's nonsense.
>>13994566>language is just a tool. It's the life-blood of literature, it's not "just a tool." Clearly you are School of Resentment, but on the white supremacist side.>Culture is a function and representation of race.Dumas, Ishiguro, and others prove otherwise.
>>13994570The Bible was written by jews. It ain't western either, but is representative of the general problem we have had with internal subversion of our culture for a very long time. This is why white people must restore it and ship out the subverters.
>>13994580OK buddy I think it's high time you returned to your containment board>>>/pol/
>>13994580How do you "restore" it?
>>13994579Language is merely a tool. And non-whites are not western peoples. This is pretty straightforward and obvious. You do not get to pick and choose such things.
>>13994314It is
>>13994588I think I said how, didn't I? First step involves disregarding this retarded notion that nonwhites can be a part of white culture.
>>13994574>Language is superficial.What a pleb. Language IS the only thing that matters in literature. If you don't favor aesthetics over ideology, then you're no better than whiny cunts on twitter, but you're in fact in their same side.>The western canon is about western people, not any non-white capable of writing in the language of a given western people. That's nonsense.No, it's how it has always worked. Your definition is the one that is recent, thanks to postmodern white supremacist views.
>>13994580>The Bible isn't Western
>There are magnificent writers who have the highest spiritual ambitions: Dante, Milton, Blake. Shakespeare, like Chaucer and Cervantes, had other interests: primarily, in the representation of the human. Though Shakespeare perhaps ought not to have become a secular scripture for us, he does seem to me the only possible rival to the Bible, in literary power. Nothing, when you stand back from it, seems odder or more wonderful than that our most successful entertainer should provide an alternative vision (however unintentionally) to the accounts of human nature and destiny in the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament, and the Koran. Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, speak with authority, and in another sense so do Hamlet, Iago, Lear, and Cleopatra. Persuasiveness is larger in Shakespeare because he is richer; his rhetorical and imaginative resources transcend those of Yahweh, Jesus, and Allah, which sounds rather more blasphemous than I think it is. Hamlet's consciousness, and his language for extending that consciousness, is wider and more agile than divinity has manifested, as yet.>Hamlet has many enigmas; they will go on being uncovered, just as the theologians and mystics will continue to expound the mysteries of God. There is always less urgency in our meditations upon Hamlet than upon God, and yet I am tempted to remark of Hamlet what the ancient Gnostics affirmed about Jesus: first he resurrected, and then he died. The Hamlet of act 5 has risen from the dead self of the earlier Hamlet. It is the resurrected Hamlet who says "Let it be," rather than "To be or not to be." There are less subtle resurrections in the late romances; I know of nothing subtler in all literature than the transformation and apparent apotheosis of Hamlet.
>>13994574>language is superficial>literatureyou're a professional retard
>>13994589If you value ideology over aesthetics you're School of Resentment scum.
Do /pol/acks get hard at how many people they can piss off? Is that their fetish or something?
>>13994580>Because the bible was written by Jews, it isn't western.This is your brain on pure ideology.
FUCK. Just heard the news. I really liked Harold. And one of the only critics I respect and have some use for.
>>13994572O Captain, my Captain
>>13994596>Language IS the only thing that matters in literature.Language is a tool used by the native speakers as part of their culture. It is something they have developed over centuries or longer and reflects their unique nature. A jew inviting some African in and paying him write a book does mean he suddenly becomes those people, but is an interloper using the native people's tool.
>>13994599The Bible was written by jews, who are a semitic people. Sorry, christcuck.
>>13994638t. School of Resentment
Now cracks a noble heart.—Good night, sweet prince,. And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!
>>13992771He was one of the first to have an intelligent take on the problems of marxist and feminist critiques of the arts and essentially what laid the groundwork for wokeness and the cuture of bad faith criticism and journalism it's led to. He called it the 'School of Resentment', and was absolutely right about it.
>>13994638Then what about the North African and Semite people who wrote during the Roman era? Do they not count either? Do any of the Roman writers count?
>>13994645No shit. But it's still part of the Western canon. It's literally the cornerstone. You're confusing Western canon with European-made literature. Look up Western canon. I know it's hard but a /pol/tard to differentiate between the two but Kafka, Proust, and Freud are already canon and there's not a thing in the world you can do about it. Now, fuck off back to whatever shithole you crawled out from.
>>13994650>School of Resentment... Was referring primarily to Marxist jews. As an ethnic jew, bloom was restricted from calling them out for who they were, which is partly why his lionization is off base.
RIP muthafukka.
>>13994682>>13994608
>>13994664We are going to have to parse this out as we move forward and reclaim our culture.
Feels bad man. Watching this interview again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=276&v=FCeIvt9CDlI
>>13993001Imagine still reading the msm in 2019, the year of our lord
>>13994682who cares, nigga...bloom is a legend
>>13994687wrong. I'm sorry but you're just don't seem to get it, can you clearly elaborate on your problem? this isn't that hard, anon. first time on lit?
>>13994493i lold
>>13994675>It's literally the cornerstone.It's the cornerstone of what set the west back for centuries.>Kafka, Proust, and Freud are already canonNo, they aren't. And those claiming they are are doing so out of an ethnic agenda. Those are alien people whose inclusion in our culture must come with a big * when we teach 19th and 20th century history to our descendants.
>>13992609Fuck you.
>>13994704I get it just fine, chum. It's you who is trying to create fake definitions of western people and culture.
just fucking stop replying to it
>>13994712Why are you so resentful, lad? You reek of resentment.
>>13994712Have you read Kafka, Proust, Freud?
>>13994725so you have given me your problem. it is with fake definitions of western people and culture. but already we are not clear with these terms. I want you to start by telling me what you mean by this interesting word you use, 'fake'?
>>13994734White people should resent the jews and non-whites distorting their culture, and they have an obligation to take it back and excise those outsiders for promoting this agenda.
zoomer herewhat's the big deal? why should i care about this literal who?
>>13994725>The Western canon is the body of high culture literature, music, philosophy, and works of art that is highly valued in the West: works that have achieved the status of classics. However, not all these works originate in the Western world, and such works are also valued throughout the world. It is "a certain Western intellectual tradition that goes from, say, Socrates to Wittgenstein in philosophy, and from Homer to James Joyce in literature". The word canon is derived from ancient Greek kανών, kanṓn, meaning a measuring rod, or standard. The Bible, a product of ancient Jewish culture, from the Levant, in Western Asia, has been a major force in shaping Western culture, and "has inspired some of the great monuments of human thought, literature, and art".>The canon of books has been fairly stable, although it has expanded to include more women and racial minorities, while the canons of music and the visual arts have greatly expanded to cover the Middle Ages, and subsequent centuries once largely overlooked. But some examples of newer media such as cinema have attained a precarious position in the canon. Also during the twentieth century there has been a growing interest in the West, as well as globally, in major artistic works of the cultures of Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and South America, including the former colonies of European nations.You are the misguided one.
>>13994730Once you start, pride won't let you stop even if you know it's fucking bait
>>13992900I actually had to read Flight to Lucifer for a fantasy course I took in college. The day we were scheduled to discuss it the professor's first question was, 'OK, now, how is Bloom's novel different from the fantasy novels what we've read so far?' A bunch of people raised their hand and answered but none of them seemed to be saying what the professor had in mind. He kept saying, 'Yeah, what else?' Finally nobody had anything to say and he waited a few seconds before saying, 'Well, let me phrase it another way. Was there something in Bloom's novel that eluded you?' Silence. 'Something, perhaps, that you would have liked to see, but didn't? Something that was either absent, or hard to detect?' Ah, of course! My hand shot up. 'Yes, Anon.' 'Talent,' I said, 'There was no discernible talent!' The professor and I broke out into hysterical laughter. 'You couldn't discern any talent!' 'None!' he shouted and started rolling around on his desk like a turtle on its back. My face was red and I was wiping away tears. We laughed for about five minutes before it died down to nothing but brief aftershocks of giggles. 'Oh man,' he said. 'Good lord. All right. Remember to read the rest of it for Tuesday, and (shouting over everyone packing up) see if you can discern any talent!' And he pointed at me. 'This guy,' he said. 'Woo.'
>>13994750You're a burger, aren't you? "White" isn't a culture, lad. It just isn't. Only a pleb American could think such nonsense. And the Western canon is not about race, where did you even read that? The shite you cunts say sometimes, I swear.
>>13994682>If Bloom used the term mostly on Marxists Jews, it has to be about the Marxism or the Jewishness.What a brainlet take. Bloom uses "School of Resentment" explicitly because of the fact it's agenda pushing, not because of the particular agendas being pushed. >>13994712It's an ethnic agenda to equate Western Culture with whiteness. Ideas are built upon ideas, and aesthetics upon aesthetics, and both can be held by anyone. Every single person who created the foundational ideas in western culture has died thousands of years ago, and yet western culture lives.
>>13994574>Language is superficialRead Hamann,the way a culture expresses itself in language is vastly more important than any ethnic considerations, the entire values of a culture are embedded in the language they use.
>>13994753He was a meme here
>>13994753> tell me how to thinkjust fuck off, zoomer
>>13994744We've already been over this. "Western" defines a people. It is not fluid or a choice.
>>13994769delet this
>>13994753Unironically he l33t pwned the SJWs before it was a thing.
>>13994754>The Bible, a product of ancient Jewish cultureYou misspelled "right."
>>13994753He predated boomers by decadesHe was just a very famous literary critic, /lit/ has always had a soft spot for him because he hated unorthodox ideological readings of books and genuinely loved reading and writing in a sweet old man way
>>13994006... Angels are the heralds of YHWH. The Jewish god. But he wasn't a practicing Jew either. Because he felt the covenant was never upheld by God (allowing the holocaust, Jews now being outnumbered 1000 to 1 by Christians and Muslims).
>>13994772>the Western canon is not about raceIt is about nothing else.
>>13994031Psshh, yeah rite You couldn't even het digits. Dubs says Bloom is looking down laffin at your book collection right now.
>>13994780No, Western defines the languages... Is this where you retarded misconception comes from?? Is this it? Oh my fucking God what an austist TOP KEKS
>>13994773>agenda to equate Western Culture with whiteness.A bee doesn't have an agenda to make honey, kid.
>see bloom died>immediately think about lit
>>13994175This is your brain on /pol/ with a generous dash of Dunning Kruger.
>>13994774>the way a culture expresses itself in language is vastly more important than any ethnic considerationsIt is a direct product of precisely that.
>>13994792For you maybe, the rest of the non-autist non-/pol/ world see it like normal human beings.
>>13994801>Western defines the languages.No, it defines the culture of western peoples.
>>13994806Language precedes culture, not the other way around.
Harold Bloom - How to Read and Whyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfoUAB9yIPg
>>13994811Every academic definition disagrees with this.
>>13994780but already you have not even defined this fundamentally word, which you have previously stated, called 'fake'. can you see what I am getting at here, what I am asking you to do? can you do this for me?
Woke woman says literary community would be 'safer' if all people currently mournibg Bloom were killed: https://mobile.twitter.com/yoloethics/status/1183886283371880448Can't screenshot it on my phone but someone save it.
>We lost the war and it's time to stop fighting a lost war and just gather a saving remnant and teach them to read deeply and well.
>>13994807Culture is product of race. It is not complicated, it's not different than it's ever been, it's just the way it is. Non-whites are not western peoples, they are not a part of western culture, they are not a part of our canon, and their inclusion into such things is a 20th century retcon.
>>13994816>Language precedes cultureLanguage is a product of culture.
>>13994820Our academic institutions are run by jews who ensure they do, but that doesn't mean they're right.
>>13993023Fuck that dumb bitch, her body is not worth a fraction of his legacy. Dumb twitter nigger
>>13994831>Culture is product of race.Then explain Kazuo Ishiguro.>and their inclusion into such things is a 20th century retcon.The Bible has always been part of the Western canon. Sorry if it hurts your little wannabe Nazi sensibilities.
https://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/2225/harold-bloom-the-art-of-criticism-no-1-harold-bloom
>>13994827>5 retweets>54 likesShe's nobody; not worth the effort
>Read about Bloom's death and decide to come back and browse this board for a while after a two year hiatus>There's of course a stickied post about Bloom's death, immediately open it>Thread gets derailed into /pol/-tier shitposting halfway through>mfwGlad to see the board is still the same as it was when I left.
>>13994831Culture existed prior to race. Race exists only when there are races to contrast against.
>>13994842Even non-American sources, though.
Call me when an important woman dies not some boring old white male.
>>13994827I love it when literal whos post shit like this in a desperate attempt to stir shit and get attention by starting a "controversy"Hope she gets hit by a car
>>13992609FPBP
>>13994356>literally the curator of the canon >subverted it
>>13994874There are no important women currently living.
>>13994831Culture and race exist in the form of a feedback loop. That's if we give the notion of race more credence than it deserves.>but muh dog breeds!Listen moron, dogs have staggering variation due to selective breeding via more than 70 chromosomes we had to play with. If humans showed dog levels of variation the smallest "race" would have individuals you could hold in your palm, the largest would I'm average weigh a tonne (see Chihuahuas and Irish wild hounds).Yes clinal variation is a thing but population genetics don't follow your moronic 18th C notions of continental races. Imagine believing in the scientific rigidity of a concept that doesn't even have an operational definition in science and a concept that allowed for the invention of a new "race" (Hispanic) in just the last 500 years with its own distinct average IQ, criminology, culture etc. You'd think that would be a pretty big clue as to the social instruction of what we call race and culture.You are not intelligent enough to post here. You are a low IQ western European at best but probably some insecure, self loathing non white LARPer or mostly white in a former colony (USA, Australia etc) rebelling against your admixture and lack of "muh purity". Begone.
>>13994867
>>13992686Lol
>>13994874emily wilson is next
>>13994861>Then explain Kazuo Ishiguro.What's there to explain? He's a jap. Meaning non-western/nonwhite. >The Bible has always been part of the Western canonChristianity reflects the judaification of the west. It was a bad thing that set western peoples back centuries, but it has been with us for a long time, and a delicate, long-term approach must be undertaken to excise it and jewish influence generally from western culture.
>>13994897t. Non-white
>>13994872The postwar jewish zeitgeist is a global zeitgeist. You have real Chinese kids in China learning from textbooks that contain the same anti-white messaging American kids are exposed to
RIP big guy. i really looked up to bloom when I was younger but gradually came to recognize him as the hack he was.whenever he was going on about a writer he really liked, he would open the essay or chapter saying x was such a good a writer, his character was actually more X than the writer- like hamlet was a better poet than Shakespeare, or satan was a better political pamphleteer than Milton. Slowly the entire essay/chapter would be enveloped in this parlor trick, with some reactionary attacks on modern writers to even it all out.Seeing this pattern across a host of his books, and recognizing how focused on surfaces he was, rarely daring to enter the essence of a work, was an important moment in my growth as a reader.
>>13994897Varg, it's 4am. Don't you have to wake up early to chop off some wood blocks or something?
>>13994897>What's there to explain? He's a jap. Meaning non-western/nonwhite.Explain why he wrote a Western novel, I mean, idiot. Can you write better than him if you so say that culture is in one's blood?>Christianity reflects the judaification of the west. It was a bad thing that set western peoples back centuries, but it has been with us for a long time, and a delicate, long-term approach must be undertaken to excise it and jewish influence generally from western culture.Good luck with that.
>>13994888>if we give the notion of race more credence than it deserves.Race is the most fundamental aspect of who we are. The differences inherent as a result of it guide every aspect of our behavior.
>>13994897name 1 (one) decent work of fiction written after Christ's coming not authored by a Christian. you can't.
>have a 25 year old autistic cousin who I read literature with>get a call>hear crying and wailing "WESTERN CANON IS DEAD">he keeps on crying repeatedly>"THE DEFENDER OF THE WESTERN CANON IS DEAD">"NO MORE SHAKESPEARE">"NO MORE CERVANTES">"NO MORE GOETHE">"NO MORE JOYCE">"DEFENDER OF THE WESTERN CANON IS DEAD"
>>13994864Also, since this thread has already been derailed into oblivion, can anybody tell me if chastefag, girardfag and schizofag still post here? Please respond, it's very important.
>>13994897I like to imagine retards like you trying to explain to classical Greeks how you "share their culture" more than you do with the average black American
>>13994908Even before the war people thought of Arabian Nights as part of the Western Canon, though. And nothing about the canon is "anti-white". Are you one of those insecure neo-nazis??
Nigga was DABBING on the woke crew before that ever became popular. Pretty based. RIP bloom
rip in peace old man, send us a new protector of the canon
>>13994917>a Western novelA novel is an inanimate object made of paper.
>>13994926>>"NO MORE CERVANTES">>"NO MORE GOETHE"finally
>>13994928>chastefagwho was that?
>>13994934Okay this kills the /pol/tard lmao
>>13994940he wrote in English, which is a Western language.
>>13994923I know it's hard, christcuck. I unironically wish you luck incoming to grips with the fact that you worship your own enemy, and a religion your enemy forced on your ancestors.
>>13994947maybe he means that rehabilitator of Origen, the renounce-the-flesh poster, who hasn't been seen lately
I remember in one of the Charlie Rose interviews, not sure which one, Rose asks him what poem will be in his head when he draws his last breath, and he recited pic related from memory. It was such a genuine moment, it really struck me personally and lit a fire in me for literature and poetry that has since wavered, but never truly gone out. It remains my favorite poem, in dedication to him. I hope he was at peace in the end, and I wish peace on his friends and family, who surely miss him dearly.
>>13994895Inshallah brother
>>13994944t. butthurt Angloid
>>13994947the guy who was fixated with masturbation being the ultimate evil and wouldn't stop posting excerpts from this precambrian book called "science discovers the miracolous powers of continence" or something along those lines.
>>13994956You lost the war. Face it. Anything else is bad loser's coping.
>>13994937Arabian Nights was written by people of Indo-European origin.
>>13994957>the renounce-the-flesh posternah, those were a dime a dozen.
f :(
>>13994958based Western canon defender
the "western canon" is a social construct founded on liberal ideology. most of the writers in their are trash. all non-Catholic works that don't glorify God should be scrubbed from history - and they will be.
>>13994956>worship your own enemyno, i worship YOUR enemy. fuck off, nigger.
>>13994928>>13994965Not only does he still post here, he has converted a large portion of this board to his ideology. /lit/ now spends more time talking about semen than it does literature.I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
>>13994969That doesn't make them Western, though. You're conflating two different concepts, like the retard that you are.
>>13994967Is that why most of your co-religionists are now mud people?
>>13994979Incredible.
>>13994976Yikes, imagine being this cucked.
>>13994974First the /pol/ angle and then the Christian angle... give it a rest, faggots. The Canon is beyond your caprices.
>>13994990we're all cucked. the man who worships God has one bull, the heathen, as many bulls as he has vices.
>>13994981It's the reason why Christianity won. Which year are we again?
let's just post bloom approved poets to dilute the resentment
>>13994980I agree, but these are disputes whose nature then was different from that of now, and all of these ambiguities, and the explicit perversions occurring currently which are far more egregious, can and should be dealt with on a case by case basis.
Noo, it's real this time!
>>13994958nice post
>>13994992you say that, but as soon as liberalism ends, and we return to having a real culture, the western canon falls apart no matter what. only gay liberalism can sustain such an inherently contradictory concept.
>>13994958Who wrote the poem?
>>13994928There have always been a few schizofags, it's more a style of posting than any one guy, as far as I know. I notice at least one every few days.Chastefag and girardfag are gone as far as I know. Girardfag is mentioned in related threads, usually with people wondering why he isn't there. Chastefag stopped shortly before his function was replaced by the coom meme, which is far more annoying honestly.>>13994956Stop this autistic larping. The imaginary monoculture you think somehow tied every pre-christian european together has never existed, and none of those disparate cultures are even tangentially related to whatever retard ideology you're trying to espouse.
>>139949982019, COMMON ERA
>>13994996>>13994998It's not easy, fellas, I know. Been there, but the reality is what it is.
>>13995006Absurd neo-Nazi fantasies. Book-burners should burn in Hell. There's nothing contradictory about the Western canon.
>>13995013>It's not easy, fellas, I know. Been there, but the reality is what it is.
>>13995013And the reality is that you can't stop the developing of the Western canon to suit your neo-Nazi quirks. Battle's over, lad. In fact there wasn't even a battle.
>>13995008>The imaginary monoculture you think somehow tied every pre-christian european together has never existedNever said it did, bud. Let's work on that honesty now.
>>13995025Why?
>>13995022It's you who is pushing an agenda with the western canon, and this agenda stems from the universalist brainwashing you have received as a result of the jewish religion you follow.
>>13995016the concept of "the west" was just a way for liberals to co-opt the achievements of catholic europe, to degrade religion to the level of a cultural phenomenon.
>>13995008The schizofag I'm talking about was this guy who I believe was an anprim, his posts were recognizable because each of them was underpinned by a retarded and, dare I say, joyous vitalism/belief in the mythopoetic capabilities of mankind. Actually a somewhat positive figure. He also often used hyperbolic expressions like "THE BRIGHTEST SUN" or "THE HIGHEST HEAVENS".
>>13995037The Western canon existed before Hitler, lad. Stop it already. You can't take the Bible out of it no matter how hard you try. Natural development of a body of literature is not "universalist brainwashing".
>>13995049was it the tripfag who always wrote in caps? REI or something?
>>13995059nope, never used a trip as far as i know
>>13995050You're too deep, tradcath, but this is a hard cope. I'm not even saying we must exclude your jewish Bible or even your jewish religion, just that we as a people need to come to grips with what it is, who imposed it on us, and how to move on with a culture that is actually our own. This will come naturally as well; you are a dead breed.
>>13993234Shut up Tao Lin
>>13992609kys
>>13992720>gee golly looks like its all on us reddit!fucking embarrassing shut the fuck up
>>13995067*chop*
>>13995070helping this anon post some Bloom-approved poems
>>13995067You seem awfully sure about this "we" when you can't go one post on a board that's already more sympathetic to your cause than the general population without everyone telling you to fuck off
>>13995067Since the beginning, Western literature has always been a mix of ideas and cultures and languages, anyway. You have a quite bizarre and monolithic idea of what all this covers.
>>13995094Always to me beloved was this lonely hillsideAnd the hedgerow creeping over and always hidingThe distances, the horizon's furthest reaches.But as I sit and gaze, there is an endlessSpace still beyond, there is a more than mortalSilence spread out to the last depth of peace,Which in my thought I shape until my heartScarcely can hide a fear. And as the windComes through the copses sighing to my ears,The infinite silence and the passing voiceI must compare: remembering the seasons,Quiet in dead eternity, and the present,Living and sounding still. And into thisImmensity my thought sinks ever drowning,And it is sweet to shipwreck in such a sea.
>>13995099There is no other way out of this, my man. Whites will have to learn how to play the long game the hard way, I know. >>13995100White people are very diverse. The most of any other people by far. And that's what we must seek to preserve.
>>13992622thanks for bringing him to my attention
>>13995110
>>13995007A.E. Housman
I've read a few interviews where people who knew him back in the day said he was always exactly the same age as we've known him in the 21st century, i.e. even as a young man he was already an overwrought contrarian and came off as a fedora (like dismissively calling people "dear", as a student at uni even).Rest in peace you zany old Kabbalist edgelord and defender of the page.
>>13995126But the West itself is also quite diverse now, and your dream Whiteland where people only read White-made literature has literally never existed. The Bible's influence is all over the canon.
>>13994873based
>>13995130And I'm gonna end it Frost.
>>13995126>WhitesThis has literally never been a cohesive group. The closest it ever came to being one was funnily enough in the form of Christendom, which you also reject. Homeric Greeks have far less in common with medieval Nordics than your gay ass does with any burger of any other race.What this tells me is that you don't actually know fuck all about the cultures and traditions you're trying so hard to fellate, you certainly don't respect them enough to learn what they were like, and your opinion is completely worthless.
>>13995152>burger Pretty sure Varg Vikernes is a norwegian.
>>13995142It has existed. That's the natural order.>>13995152>This has literally never been a cohesive group.There has never been a need for there to be because there was never any real foreign threat to our greater collective. But now there is, and all whites are facing the same enemy and the same ethnic replacement agenda.
>>13995146
>>13995174>It has existed. That's the natural order.What era? The not-quite-Western Greece? People whose language you don't even speak, and whose culture is as foreign to you as the Chinese or Indian one? Don't be delusional.
>>13995174>No don't you get it we're on the same team now because nobody will have sex with meYou're a giant fag, I do not care about your reproductive success or whatever spooks you throw out to try convince me I should
>>13995142>t. Butthurt shitskin.
>>13995192Until recently that's how it was. >>13995199Your religion is a hindrance, and it's not coming back in western form ever again. It's not a solution, or even an option anymore, because it was always a universalist identity that was imposed on us to make us weak.
>>13992585I had hoped it was fake. RIP Harold. May angels sing thee to thy rest ;_;
The canon doesn’t need a defender, it’s quality will keep it alive and well, while affirmative action novels will blow away
Who will defend the western cannon now? :(
>>13995220>"You are not on my team and I reject the entire ideology behind the teams you're trying to impose on me">Bro this type of behavior is really gonna hurt the team, come on bro
>>13995205t. butthurt /pol/tard>>13995220>Until recently that's how it was.It's always been like this. You have a distorted view of history. Europe is literally in the same continent as Asia and some miles away from Africa.
>>13994493Saved. Anyone have the DFW one?
>>13994874All the multi-culti people here are trolls right? No one on this board really believes any one has superior aesthetic linguistic ability than Shakespeare right?
>>13995241Bro your coach benched you and brought in new players. Your game is over. It's over, sport. Over. >>13995246No, per what you said, I am correct that for nearly all of history, it was white people reading literature by white people.
>>13995268They're either trolls, niggers, or nigger trolls. You should ignore them regardless.
>>13993740So sweet. RIP
repent you sinners. this is a wakeup call to make it lads. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha
>>13994781And have nothing to show for the last 4 years?
>>13995275>No, per what you said, I am correct that for nearly all of history, it was white people reading literature by white people.Sure, if you count the Bible as white. And Ancient Greece lasted for about 3 centuries and they weren't really European. So you have to decide which era you're even talking about. I'm all ears.
>>13995268Shakespeare was crypto-Catholic so not Western according to the /pol/tard, sorry. And no one is questioning his genius.
>Time hath, my lord, a wallet at his backWherein he puts alms for oblivion. . .
I hope he finally meets Shakespeare and Melville up there. RIP
>>13992585What the fuck, no. I was just watching his interviews again the other week and feeling immense respect for him. Good bye, Professor Bloom, literature's gonna be shittier without him.
>>13995309You fucking cunt, I'm personally blaming you for the derailment of this thread of mourning. You vain, egotistical prick. Get a grip and stop fucking replying to him.
>>13995341this
>>13995309So it is a work of fiction?>>13995316Never posted there, if you're referring to me, sorry.
>>13992585I am curious, did Dr. Bloom like any modern literature that was or is considered popular, something of more typical pop-lit fare, perhaps? I wonder if there are any examples of such, so I have something to more realistically strive towards, as writing something exactly like William Shakespeare is not particularly marketable, now, unless I'm mistaken.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>13995341>thread of mourningMourn your way over to r*ddit, where your pigeonholing of nonwhites into the western canon won't be mocked.
>>13995356He liked Thomas Pynchon, Cormac McCarthy, Daniel Sada, Philip Roth, Don DeLillo. I forgot who else but these ones I saw mentioned in his interviews.
What cannon was he definding? What was his personal literary contributions? I'm not hugely knowledgeable on authors. Nearly anything you'd ask me on history of writing would be met with a long blank stare. Literally know nothing about this person. lol At best, I've surmised he has written materials of influence.
>>13995368And also Pentti Linkola and Ted Kaczynski and Nick Land
>>13995384nice try accfag
>>13995381He wrote in the area of literay criticism. Lots of books on different authors and genres. His most famous book "The Western Canon: The Books and School of the Ages" makes SJWs and /pol/tards seethe alike. You know he's based when something of this magnitude happens this happens.
>>13995414I'd say his most famous book is the anxiety of influence
>>13995381He wrote in the area of literay criticism. Lots of books on different authors and genres. His most famous book "The Western Canon: The Books and School of the Ages" makes SJWs and /pol/tards seethe alike. You know he's based when something of this magnitude happens.
>>13994580Go LARP in the woods, Kristian.
>>13995419Is it really?
>>13992585RIP. He got me into Blake and Swedenborg
>>13994958fuck. i independently memorized this poem. i didn't know it was his favorite.
>>13995426Hm. Probably famous is the wrong word. But I'd say it's his most influential accademically speaking.
>>13995088cry about it,nigger.
>>13994820Culture is downstream of biology, everybody knows that.
>>13995435fair enough
>>13995443If you take a Japanese man and raise him like a German, he'd act exactly like a German.
>>13995356Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that he appreciated Philip Pullman, and he also talked positively about Hobbit (but not LOTR).No writing is marketable. The real thing is having connections that will help you stick out, regardless of whether you write like Pynchon or JK Rowling. Imitating either of these to make money with the writing would be idiotic, there are countless tons of "commercial" books that were in fact financial failures for various market reasons.
>>13995447Lol what?
Greetings fellow pseuds. How fares the canon?
>>13995452Culture is learned, not passed on genes.
He was great even though he falsely shit on Thomas Wolfe.
>>13994828Yeah, yeah. We are living under occupation. But we remember.
>>13992935Hamlet. Guaranteed.
>>13992987Hamlet
>>13994867No, you got that backwards.
>>13995460That's obviously untrue.
>>13995486It is true. That's why we have Kazuo Ishiguro and Ralph Ellison, etc. Culture is learned not something genetic. Otherwise please point out which gene causes a man to be British instread of French, for example.
>>13995508People who have undergone vastly different selection pressures and lived separately for thousands of years do not suddenly become a different people if physically transported somewhere else. That is supremely idiotic and no one but complete and utter retards would ever believe that.
>>13992857Because of academics' ressentiment at their own professional failure
>>13995447Yes, perhaps, but as your statement acknowledges it would still be an act, a pretense. The culture would still be of Eurnpean origin. The genome is 84% brain, and mind is an epiphenomenon of brain.
>>13993001Kafka was a German Jew though
Fuck
>>13995538Except that's nonsense. They would know about European culture despite never seeing it before?
>>13993001fakewhere is the link?
>>13994303He was probably taking his last breaths while you were making that post anon
>>13995530Tell me which genes make a man be French instead of English, then. If you take a newborn Japanese baby and raise him culturally like a German. He'd act like a German, not like a Japanese. That's a fact. >>13995538Nobody said the culture wouldn't be European. THAT's the point. Why are you /pol/tards so insecure about muh replacement? It's fucking laughable.
>>13992857>>13992901All while indoctrinating their students. Kind of a based Jew in his own rite.
>>13995542And? Ashkenazi are considered white to everyone except /pol/. Do you honestly think if you showed someone a picture of most European jews on the street they would go "nah they don't look white"?
>>13995589forgot pic. Someone who wouldn't consider picture related to be white would just be looked at funny
>>13994804I haven’t been to /lit/ in years but I came as soon as I heard. RIP ;.;
>>13992585RIP Bloom, RIP the western Canon
>>13992585R.I.P. Ol' Harry B
>>13995615I HAVE FOUND THE SUCCESSOR THE DEFENDER OF THE WESTERN CANNONLA GOBLINA!!!
>>13992939Based and dullpilled
>>13995640Anon he's working his magic from the beyond and rewarding you with female affectionDo NOT botch this up.
>>13992585fuck this cunt
>>13995640based Sara, you don't deserve her, OP.
>>13992585Rip in piss
>>13992585Big F in the thread for a great man boys.
>>13995659No, fuck you, lad.
>>13992737>we have several undergraduates Yeah, we’re fucked
Just came in here to post:F
Remember to stay bloomer lads.
>>13992585Made a toast in his honor with my English major wife tonight. He'll be missed. The canon is in greater jeopardy than it has been in some time, but then Bloom would have told us that was already the case before his passing.Goodnight, sweet prince.
He put Things Fall Apart in the western canon lol. But in all seriousness RIP to a great man, and a sad day for lovers of literature.
>>13995706just because he was forced by his editor. Bloom dismissed the appendices at the end of WC.
>>13994324Peterson is already done. He took his money and ran into rehab
>>13995715?? His editor forced him to put that book in?
>>13995726I can't see a similar reaction for anyone but perhaps Houllebecq. But he has maybe half the stature and influence the Bloom did. My worries for the future of western literature are immeasurable.
The West is dead. We’re just living on its corpse. ;_;
>>13992686dammit i dont get it
>>13995572>If you take a newborn Japanese baby and raise him culturally like a German. He'd act like a German, not like a Japanese. That's a fact.You're a fucking moron.
>>13995741Bloom said that Wallace had no discernible talent. The anon you responded to made a punning reference to that bon mot.
>>13993977>Jews ran the Soviet Union for decades upon its inception? There were definitely a decent amount of jewish revolutionaries but by the time Stalin took power (not decades) he completely consolidated power to himself and even had a purge of jews after WWII. A single Georgian ran the USSR through the 30s and 40s.
>>13992609you sonofabitch!
>>13995742It's true. Prove me wrong.
>>13994040damn
>>13995749You clearly don't understand the basics of biology and evolution. Go away.
Commit to reading just one of the great works of the Western canon, anon
>>13994335>Christianity is indeed an alien jewish religion.Then congrats, everything from the institution of Christianity as the religion of Europe onward is not part of your western canon. You're left with the Greeks and the Romans, who while excellent writers, have not existed for the past thousand years.
>>13995595Is he jewish? Its funny because he played a neonazi on that Sons of Anarchy show
>>13994246Stephen King and George R. R. Martin
>>13995771No, and that poster is a tard. Jews are not white.
>>13993920You ever notice how guys like Ben Shapiro always bring up "Judea-Christian" values when talking about the founding of the US. As if Jews had anything to do with it.
>>13995763Neither do you.
>>13995771Yeah, it's on wikipedia
>>13995793It's a rhetorical dock-to-host.
>>13995572why are there different cultures at all? would you say that before the world started to become more globalized that our cultures were vastly different, or not that different really?do you believe that political persuasions are genetic? are politics cultural? https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/09/study-on-twins-suggests-our-political-beliefs-may-be-hard-wired/
I don't get it. Perhaps he was important to burgers because of silly culture ware, but what I read from his criticism was kindergarten tier compared to someone like Frank Kermode or Eric Auerbach. I'm not even sure I would call it that, essayism that happens to have the topic of literature would be more suitable. Also, for a person who was against agendas he seemed to really have it in for Eliot and Pound for some "reason," lol.
>>13995830Alright. Most of the board accepts your premise, but to say Non-white writers who wrote books about western societies, while living in a western society aren't part of the canon is literally fucking retarded and laughable.
>>13995835Yeah, I didn't particularly care for his input, but respected him as somebody in the USA that fought for literary merit and was a last pillar against SJWS and standards of literature/preservation. I'd imagine his reputation in Europe isn't that relevant.
>>13995840The western canon is not the world canon. When you allow any non-white participate in your culture and numerically overwhelm you, that culture will in time disappear. Fuck your open-door policy.
>>13992720Time to infiltrate academia
>>13995830>Just 8000 twin pairs born in a flyover state between 1936 and 1955.>The twin pairs weren't necessarily identical >There is no indication that the twin pairs even got separated at birth.Wow it's fucking nothing.
>>13995065I do not want to be a one dimensional reader but I just can’t into poetry that isn't Emily Dickinson. The only book of poetry I own is the famous complete collection one and I keep it by my bed. Maybe I’m a pseud but there is nothing that moved me like her. Bloom wrote that this one haunts him the most of all her poems. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Because_that_you_are_going
>>13992928Change the world... My final message... Goodbye.
>>13995857You don't even understand the term Western canon. It's not the "White canon."
>>13995857Alright I'm done replying to your bait. Have fun with your feeble life.
niggers, in my literature? having shunned the humanities as boring and irrelevant after being given a never-ending string of black and female writers and poets in high school english class, i hadn't even heard of the concept of political correctness when i first encountered bloom's "western canon" and its broadsides against academia. in those innocent days i was just grateful for finally finding a very long list of invigorating and timeless works to explore. the motivation to restore elitism to the classics and crush bolshevism once and for all has since become somewhat of a lifetime crusade, and while i am now fully aware (((who))) is responsible for their degeneration, would have certainly gassed harold last.
>>13993317Woolf is definitely a meme
>>13995908That's exactly what it is, which is why it was comprised entirely of white people until very recently.
>>13992585>cuts out most influental Catholic writers for the west>inserts own tribal thinkers as the wests most important influencer post factumWhat did he mean by this?Also: Nothing of value has been lost.[/spoler]
>>13995921You can't just call anything you don't like a "meme". The Waves and Orlando are good books. I don't get the hate.
>>13995925No. Kafka, Proust, Freud, Salinger, and the Bible were in the canon for years. You are a pol infiltrator that hasn't read a book since high school. Please go and rot in hell.
>>13995925Not really, like I said, the Bible and Arabian Nights were always part of it, as well as lots of Oriental stuff. Works that influeced the canon are also part of it.
>>13995933>cuts out most influental Catholic writers for the westLike who?>inserts own tribal thinkers as the wests most important influencer post factumHe only added Freud.
>>13992585Rip in piss literally who
>>13995949He says Arabian Nights is written by whites to justify Nazi propaganda. He doesn't even know what any of these books are, please just stop replying so he could curl up and die.
>>13995949You're kidding yourself. Not too bright, are you?
>>13995595>people who know nothing about a given topic can't discern subject A from subject B, making the opinion of those better versed on it "funny"Or maybe, people without a basic background in physical antropology simply are to uneducated to see slight features and understand the geo-cultural changes the Ashkenazis have gone through, harvesting a massive amount of estern euro genetics to the point where EE gen clusters get you identified as a jew, simply by virtue of most possesors being part of them, than the original host ethnic.Last but not least, simple optics are no ground to dismiss ideology. Just because the look "white" to an american which can't even discern a frence phenotype from a Lithuanian one, it will not change someones religious background, which in the case of the jewish religion is very insulated and anti-outgroup.
>>13995968Jewish people are one of the most secular ethnic groups there are
>>13995944Those judenrats weren't even good writers. Forget about *in* the canon, they don't belong anywhere near it.
>>13995954Anon, he's not going to curl up and die because he's not getting replies. He's got an ideological imperative to stochastically indoctrinate underread newfags who otherwise won't see opposing arguments against this retarded worldview. This particular school of resentment needs to be put in it's place, lest it take hold and burn away aesthetic purity.
>>13995925....? What? There’s a bunch of Asians, middle easterners, and South Americans in the canon, always has been. Pretty sure you guys don’t even consider Italians white and, believe me, there are a bunch of those.
>>13995979Yeah, but he has no argument. Clearly they are part of the canon and he's said the same thing over and over again, which is a counter-argument to something we are not even saying.
>>13995973What did you like about In Search of Lost Time
>>13995985Wrong. Stop trying to diversity the canon like a fucking kike.
>>13995985>There’s a bunch of AsiansWhat asian writers are in the Western canon?
>>13995973You're right! Now let's remove Nabokov because he had a Jewish wife, Joyce because he wrote Jewish characters, Melville because friends with cannibals in Moby Dick, Conrad because Heart of Darkness took place in Africa and sympathized with them somewhat, Kierkegaard because well you know Bible was written by Jews so Christians are derivative of Jews... Hmm, so that only leaves Kevin MacDonald, Hitler, and Carl Schmitt. Let's build a new Aryan canon guys!!!
>>13995992I think u mean diversify you illiterate poltard and nobody wants to fucking do that. Everyone on the board is opposed to that, but denying writers already in it because they were ethnically Jewish and don't abide by your ideological terms that you created is foolish and irritating, so rot in hell faggot.
>>13996001Get the fuck off our board, you fucking rat. When you see someone adding non-whites to our canon, you can certain it's a kike. That doesn't benefit whites or the west or literature, it only benefits jews who want to make our culture and countries into diversity zones they feel safe in.
>>13995263notice me
>>13996008You're a kike, aren't you? Be honest. What is your ethnic background?
>>13995950>only Christian till the 13th century is St Augustine for the western canonThis despite over a millenia of Catholic mainstream in europe, which was the only reason europe became even a thing, instead of split small ethnic tribes full pagans.>Like who?Benedict of Nursia>The Rule of St. BenedictHe implemented the farming broters and started the first monks worth their salt as pillars of western communities, which where able to learn and share new technologies through the primary language of latin of the church.Boethius, Anicius>The Consolation of PhilosophyNot having read it is a clear sign of the pseudism on this board.Teresa of Avila>Interior CastleOne of the most influencal female writers of her time, writting about the contemptorary ideal life, which is more than important to understand how we got where we are.>no DescartesLike it or not, there is no europe without 1500 years of Catholicism. Yet the most pregnant works are ominted, while adding nonconsequencial poems and stories to the list, because they sell a more mediocre world.The best lies are based on truth, and the Bloom canon is exctly that. A list of good works picked and omitted by certain ones, to change the outlook of the reader.
>>13996019Oh my fucking God you are so fucking irritating and stupid. I'm not even going to address your retarded statement because we both know I never said that, so hopefully you enjoy getting fucked up the ass by a kike boss and having your kids raped by him too you worthless filthy goyim virgin that makes no money, has no intellect, and has never had a worthwhile thought in there life. Hopefully you rot in hell and go back to whatever cesspool you came from you illiterate dog. Fuck you.
RIP.
>>13995969>Jewish people are one of the most secular ethnic groups there areOf course. They re also one of the few ethnic group which has a whole state made up by their religious doctrines. It's easy to be ecular in a highly homogenious society where secularism only means secularing the out-groups, while you always have a nonconsequential safe haven to go back to when SHTF. Just like it's easy to go and demonstrate supposed inequallity and discrimination, when you now that mommy will make you a sandwhich later on and you don't need to panic about loosing your job.
>>13996019>our boardThat's >>>/pol/
>>13996021No I'm white, but Salinger and Kafka's books have resonated with me and ought to belong in the canon. You're probably sub-human American trash yourself, so it's a joke that you would consider yourself white because you're a worthless white most likely. That is my entire argument.
>>13996019>When you see someone adding non-whites to our canon, you can certain it's a kike. Sometimes it's also a black guy or an indian woman.
>>13996019Imagine using a man's death to promote your ideology without even being fucking funny about it
>>13996041And who do they take after?
>>13996044>a manA jew.
>At 84 I lie awake at night, after a first sleep, and murmur Crane, Whitman, and Shakespeare to myself, seeking comfort through continuity, as grand voices somehow hold off the permanent darkness that gathers though it does not fall.I hope he found comfort in them as it gathered for the last time. He will be missed.
>>13992585For once "Goodnight, sweet prince" is actually suitable.Already the worthless vulture hordes of the school of resentment are gathering to desecrate his name on social media. The fight goes on.RIP
>>13995992>stop trying to diversity the canon...why are retarded /pol/cels responding to me?
>>13993023Oh no he once touched a woman, how terrible.
>this entire thread I thank God everyday that Moot rebuilt the zoo after the /news/ diaspora
So it begins then.Shikata ga nai on Western culture, language, and civilization.
>>13994696How based is our god?
>>13994772Well I agree with you but neither is Jewish culture a culture, you know?
>>13992857>Paying for this
>>13992857Because that's how you make more English PhDs.You realize that a TESOL Master's degree is much more useful to the real world than what your degree is per se, right?Maybe you should go to a conservative university like BYU if you don't want to use those literary theories.I personally like to write bullshit with those theories though, especially the Marxist one as it is the best one to do verbosity.
>>13993001"With his untidy gray hair and melancholy eyes encircled by shadows, he was known to hold forth from what his students called The Chair, which he, of ample girth, amply filled, surrounded by stacks of books."who is the hack they got to deliver this abortion.
>>13995950>He only added FreudDespite hving a last called Jiddish and Hebrew for themselves containing 26 authors, he also added others everywhere. Just as an example I counted the know People of jewish ethnicity in the rubric "The United Staates" which contains 160 people, 25 of which are jewish. Making every sixth person to be of his own ethnic. Jews measure between 1.2-2.6% of the american population. On his lists they make up around 16%. Mind you, this list is called described as the american one, with a distinction for the jeish ethnic in two whole categories for themelves.While looking them all up, I was also urprised how many of them were from NY and Harvard, winning the same prizes and having the same friends. Which again is a selection for people patching a certain view, as all thing dependant on peer pressure. Not even listing the amount of spoken out homosexuals and those advocating similar ideologies.Blooms list is not western, it's post-modern and subversive. He took a hand of classics and put a bunch of authors and books with his own motivs into it. You're naive if you think it's something to consider objective or per se western.
>>13996188>the best one to do verbosity.Keep working on it, champ. Surprise, surprise, people are, again, misunderstanding the point of criticism. No, you aren’t supposed to use Marx as a preconceived lens in which to understand a work unless otherwise stated or suggested (the author wrote about Marx, cited him as an influence, openly supported his theories, etc). Even then, it’s a weak proposal, at least in my opinion. You can, however, use criticism to supplement your OWN ideas about a work. For instance, when talking about mass consumerism and its influence on the characters in a work, you may cite Debord or Baudrillard in order to make your point more clear. Other critics serve to enhance your own thoughts, not the other way around. I don’t blame anons for being confused about this, as, apparently, a bunch of undergraduate programs do a poor job of making this point clear. In graduate school, however, such ‘criticism’ (reading a work through a Marxist lens) is generally deemed unfounded or derivative. Exceptions are reading Marxist theories in a work predating Marx himself in argument that certain authors preempted his ideas.
>>13996198Good work, anon. Can you post the list of his additions?
>>13996198have sex
>>13996212I only listed the generally known self-identified jewish people on that one list. Haven't read most of those on that rubric myself, I can't tell you how many non-jewish ones publish just as much rubish on there. But reading their bio for yourself, you should easily be able to select them out before investing in their works. From the skimming through the said people, it was enough to see that most of them wrote about fairly similar topics, well cooperating with their identity.But honestly, there are better lists out there, than this shilled bubble head.
>>13992585Le who?
>>13996140Containment is a philosophy that regularly fails and backfires, whether it be Shintoism, American Interventionism, or Moot's braindead bandaid on an intellectual problem. Creating a safe space for people obsessed with modern politics was a mistake, and lets people mistakenly believe the rest of the site subscribes to whatever koolaid they're drinking. Instead of dealing with the occasional voice pushing a cultural narrative, we now have to deal with regular raiding parties on every board, who don't care about aesthetic value and see the world purely through a political lens. Bending under the pressure of a vocal minority who would have dissipated after a significant time is a mistake we all pay for.
>it's true:(
>>13995954"Whites" is a american mutt term. The proper word is Caucasian, to which greeks and arabs belong just as much as northern europeans. The fact that the middle east was christian and before tht roman in culture also means something. Arabs further being part of the indo-european Götterfunken, meaning having the same "aryan" mythical canon, tho heavily changed through the millenia, also means that their culture is part of our own. Like it or not.Simply actually seeing melanin instead of cultural heritage and ethnic belonging is ridiculous and one-dimensional that only american could come up with it.Maybe actually bother to read ito the mystical sources of those people before D&Cing.
>>13996232Nah. See buddy, sometimes the times change, and people's awareness of things change, and then society collectively changes. There aren't a set number of people in a particular place who believe a particular thing and who are filtering into here and spoiling it for you; there are simply people here, who care about their literary heritage, and who are learning about jewish influence, embracing their own ethnic identity, and defending their culture. The only question is, why don't you get it yet?
>>13996083Still not as suitable as when Prince died
>>13996247>we are the Aryan revolution >something something we are everywhere Cringe. You’re detested by every other board for a reason.
>>13996262I've never posted anywhere but here, big guy. So what's the reason for your failure to understand what everyone's talking about now? Are you jewish or nonwhite? Just stupid, maybe? Do you really think people buy this internecine pol narrative anymore?
>>13993735Kek'd
>>13996273Have sex
>>13992935my diary desu
>>13996262Not him but nothing he said is false. Cultural changes happen far beyond the scope of a single meme board. And besides the usual brainlets, nobody "detests" people advocating their believes in a sane manner, even tho a loud minority like yourself thinks that you can speak for a whole board, trying to bully people which views you don't like out of here. This is pathetic and per definition counter-intelectual, which for the expent needs to face uncomfortable views. I've read many times on here that said anons read Malcoml Xs bio or some Jews Lit to actually form their own opinion. Even obvious propaganda liek Gould or Diamond, yet I haven't seen the same being done by those criticising works like Culture of Critique. It's all kvetching. tl;dr: Do not speak for all of us. if you can't keep up, maybe switch to /his/.
>>13996247>There aren't a set number of people in a particular place who believe a particular thing and who are filtering into here and spoiling it for youThis was not claimed. Additionally the idea that the majority of /lit/ and even most of the other boards are suddenly attracted to the rat race that is politics, much less identity politics like white nationalism, is also false. The politically apathetic are getting "Great Replaced" as a direct result of /pol/ bringing in tourists facing free speech discrimination on other platforms. You may have one or two comrades swayed by whatever swill you post on other boards, but the majority of oldfags still remain politically disinterested. You can see this in the very sticky we are posting in right now: Harold Bloom was interested in pure aesthetics and challenged every form of "The School of Resentment", whether it be Marxist, Feminist, or Neonazi. He is loved explicitly for his defense of pure aesthetic analysis, and has enjoyed a significant amount of attention on /lit/ for a very long time.>>13996273>IAnecdotal evidence that is potentially a lie, with no way to verify.
>>13992935Wardine be cry
>>13996282i paid for it, what now?
>>13996273>I only post on /lit/>everyone’s talking about it Certainly not here. Aside from the occasional hiccups, /lit/ is mostly free from the incel revolution. Tip: blaming some other group for your problems won’t make your life any better. Your life is shitty because of you. >inb4 you’re a JewYeah, yeah. I’m white but go ahead.
>>13996286>every oldfag has remained in the ignorance of youth>we ae the majority because stickyWhy is it that you people alwas try to make yourself out to be the alpha and omega? Nobody is objective or against every form of identity, not even your beloved Bloom. We all have biases and pointing those of someones favorite out is not reason to act the speaker of /lit/. For fucks sake you people, most of /pol/ doesn't even read. Most falling for meme books ad nauseam posted by 3 trannies.
>>13996286Nobody is talking about politics here, not an excuse, big guy.We are talking about jewish control over publishing and overrepresentation as figureheads such as Bloom. Bloom's ethnic agenda was broken down here: >>13996198... So is there something you don't understand, or what?
>>13996284>in a sane manner I think we may disagree on this term. Rabidly calling someone a Jew for disagreeing with you is, in my opinion, anti-intellectual, as is claiming that Proust or Kafka do not belong “near” the canon in virtue of being Jewish.
>>13996291You certainly think like a jew, brother. Don't try to psychoanalyze me, confront the issues with the topic at hand, like Bloom's clear ethnic bias here: >>13996198Many of us already understand this, so what's your problem?
>>13996297I haven't read all comments but I also haven't encountered "rabid" anything in the last 100 or so. Just pointing our ethnic interests, which we all have when we take a introspective look without social inhibitors, is just like stating someone is a boomer or female. It's a factual statement. You reacting like a pavlovian dog to this one ethnic is more something you should think about.
>>13996247>WE ARE ARYAN>WE ARE EVERYWHERE>WE ARE LEGION
>>13996296>the breakdown is that the number of Jewish authors don’t reflect the population in a list of 160 people. Wow.
>>13996302Such deep intelectual arguments. Very thinking. Much brains.Wonder why people calling you out for speaking for them, when you make them out to be retards.
>>13996301>>13996021I’m merely opposed to dismissing authors based on ethnicity. I’ve read Kafka and Proust extensively, they’re both fine additions to the canon. Try reading them if you haven’t already.
>>13996303Pattern is how it starts. Good work, champ. Now take a look at every other institution in your society and perhaps you'll learn something.
>>13996300>>13996303
>>13996307>pattern >160 people as an adequate sample size for 360 million Get this published, stat
>>13996310More pattern recognition. Very proud of you. We're off to a great start making you a little less of an idiot.
>>13996295>Political Apathy is IgnoranceYou're reading too much into what is said. Of course everyone has political biases, but most people recognize it is poor etiquette to bring it up constantly, in every conversation, on every subject. >>13996296>IdPol is not politicsNot pure aesthetic analysis.>>13996307>160 people in a list of western culture, when most of the west didn't have literary traditions for extended periods of time, is a pattern.
>>13996306Well, I dismiss people which I don't see fit in the understanding of a topic. I wouldn't read a mans opinion on child birth deyond numbers in statistics, just like wouldn't read a womens opinion on male suicide beyond listing the stats.For the same reason I wont take the opinion of a person with an known personal bias, which is biased againist the thing I want to learn about. I still erad females, males and jews, just not in the same context or at least knowing their biases or inabilities to comprehend. Pointing those ot is absolutely necessary and still you can do it otherwise if you so chose. But don'T shame anons for pointing the acts out so that others may form their own opinions.Having grown up in the UDSSR this behaviour is the worst kind of intelectual Katyn.
>>13996316>>13996319We call this "ethnic nepotism," boys. And did you know it's rampant in institutions jews have control of?Are we learning here? Am I going to fast, gentlemen?
>>13996324You’re going too slow, though I don’t expect you to pick up the pace anytime soon.
>>13996323I am, as stated, encouraging people to have their own opinions, hence why I don’t advocate for dismissal of anyone based on background. Their works should stand as testament to their literary strength.
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>>13996334Pointing out flaws and biases is an integral part of making a educated judgment about a work. Works never stand on their own. Ignoring contemptorary politics is impossible and dismissing or even shaming the messangers of their biases is shamefull. Without political context or biases nearly no non-fictional book makes sense, as the author and we ourselves are consciously or subconsciously constantly molded by it. We can smell the tide coming long before we realise what it means. So either engage the JQ anon with proper arguments or just ignore him instead of this sleezy and dishonest meme of "we all hate you, go away or I'll call those which do it for free!".
>a man who dedicated a large part of his life's work to the dissociation of politics and literature dies>thread in his honor is derailed by politicsIs this ironic? Surely it shows how the man was right and his ideas were necessaryAnd at least the leftypol and tranny fags had the decency to silence their politics
>>13996357>have political ethnic bias massively interlocked with your works>all political bias comments about your works will seem like supporting your argumentsThat's not how it works, senpai.
>>13996375It is tho
>>13996387Bloom is political in nature, like every human. He cannot distance himelf from it, no atter how much he wants or claim to. Willfull ignorance even can't protect him from this. Even the first premise to exclude identity politics makes it necessary to first be ivolved in it. And from our earliest memories we have an identity to which we, even unconsciously, belong and tend to. Bloom is nothing but a good example of someone wanting to be the single rock in the sea. In the end he is just an outpost of a mountainrange of culture, hidden under a miniscule layer of virtue waves of apolicy.Even if he denies it, we still can and should pick his works apart for what biases and politics are inserted. Ethnic nepotism hasn't to be ones active goal, just like you naturally tend to your familiar faces and values with which you have grown up far before your own world views. Bloom might have had the most noble goal, yet he failed as is obvious.
>>13992585Carry the fire, gentlemen.He would want us to carry the fire.I think today is as good as any other day to start reading my S. Butler translation of Homer.I have a lot of lost ground to cover on the greats of my heritage.The sun is setting and rising all in one great yellow band.The sky is married to the Earth by a ring of golden fleece.I know you're up there Howard.In the great library in the sky.Thank you for your gift.
>>13996357>a significant literary figure with a legacy of many sympathetic literary opinions dies>/lit/ is too penetrated by non-readers and /pol/tards not to sidetrack to discussing identity politicsThis is how it works.>>13996395Verbose and pseud. Ban burgers from posting.
>>13996406Look at the time, retard. This is a burger free zone. The only pseuds are hanging on the handkerchip of the Bill Nye equivalent of literature, crying about muh canon why haven't read non of the classics, dwelling in what is considered en vogue in the modern reader.
>>13996395shuttt the fuckkkkk uppppppjesus fucking christ yes obviously everyone is involved in politics in some way if they contribute to a discourse but you don't have to be a brainlet pseud and ramble on and on and on about the political implications of every fucking position. the man was an aesthete first and foremost, and it's really a crying shame that the left (speaking here as a leftist myself) refuses to produce an alternative (more desirably, a complementary) aesthetic vision so our options are either the entire canon of western literature or fucking shrill useless garish rebecca solnit and meandering say-nothing op-ed shithead ta nehisi coates.mourning harold bloom tonight, whose death i learn of as i work through moby dick for the first time as an adult (having previously read and clearly not fully absorbed it as a teenager). realizing that this incredible epic, which has so much to say about the contemporary american condition just as much as it did the nation before it cleaved in two, is now hopelessly lost to a cultural milieu that wishes to see it as vindication of the excellence of white men or as a totem of their irrelevance because it's harder to read than harry potter. praying for another bloom to arrive soon.
havent been here in years, came here because bloom died. this board has gone down the fucking gutter holy shit
>>13996423>shuttt the fuckkkkk uppppppAbsolutely uncivilized.
RIP will shed a tear every time I see one of his quotes on a book cover
>>13996429far more civilized than the barbarism of lighting the works of one of our greatest literary critics on fire while his corpse is still warm because you want to regurgitate some half-baked political position you picked up from someone who was whining about having to read (((old white men))) in college
pretty ironic that woc Zadie Smith of all fucking people is openly advocating for the disassembly of identitarian fences in literature while a bunch of cucked leftypol white guys piss on Bloom's grave because he had the gall to say you should be able to write serviceable prose to be remembered
>>13996423>refuses to produce an alternative (more desirably, a complementary) aesthetic visionThere are several people, but because they do not primarily create work in the media of literature they shall not be talked about on this board. Also this post was needlessly verbose.
>>13996432You didn't understand a single argument made in this thead and bitch about some unconsequential fat fuck dying. Jesus Christ, you're the "lighting a candle for france" folk whenever something happens, while reenacting the hurling day with your own blood. Pathetic spectator.
RIP venerable ally
>>13996454there are certainly a good amount of iconoclasts who don't take the time to even understand the icons they smash, yesand my verbosity in that post is obviously a bit cheeky if you read it for content at all (i've been reading moby dick for three hours give me a fucking break lol)
>>13996375Well, too bad for what I said about leftypol fags. Obviously everything is political, but sometimes, even if you acknowledge this framework (dead white males etc), you don't really need to go further in that path. I'm not a literature student, but what I find beautiful with them is their disinterested passion for this art. These people are passionate, and so was Bloom. Literature is not where you challenge the status quo. It should be an out-of-the-world, politically candid thing-in-itselfHarold, come back :'(
>>13992585The vulcherous cunts are already attacking him on twitter. Rest in peace, my professor.
>>13996438Based Zadie
>>13996356>gnoring contemptorary politics is impossible and dismissing or even shaming the messangers of their biases is shamefull>it’s shameful to dismiss ‘messengers of bias’ It is not shameful to ignore /pol/ shitposters, don’t romanticize then
>>13996356Man, this is a lot of pretense. Pointing out that Kafka is a Jew is fine. Saying that he shouldn’t belong in the canon in virtue of this is not. This is a distinction, do your best to read it. I’ll show you again: “Kafka is a Jew” = OK, this can help to enhance our understanding of the text“Kafka does not belong in the canon because he is a Jew” = Anti intellectual
>>13996493Do not miss quote me, retard, and use the words in their actual meaning. e all have biases and pointing them out is healthy for everyone. Feel free to ignore the comments if you can't give any meaningfull input, but do not try to hame them by virtue of speaking for all of us.>Saying that he shouldn’t belong in the canon in virtue of this is not. Why? Mind you, I don't care for Blooms canon, I'm just alergic to brainlets calling it the definition of the western canon. In my bock Kafka should be merely a side note in a true western canon. At best to understand the people he influenced. We are talking about a canon as the representation of the european geist, jews ae the antithesis of this as can be seen in the formation of what it means to be european during the middle ages, where the lingua latina has become the informational highway thanks to the catholic church.Dismissing individuals or diminishing their role in a specific context due to their personal biases is nothing but making an educated choice, cutting out what is white noise.
He had severe Trump Derangement Syndrome, it was becoming embarrassing to hear him talk in these last few years. Hopefully that doesn't reflect too poorly on his legacy.
>>13996503But what if Kafka really does not belong in the canon because he is a Jew?
>>13996503This
>>13993023 A man's death isn't even real to this guy. it's just a funny internet joke
>>13996514>Dismissing individuals or diminishing their role in a specific context due to their personal biases is nothing but making an educated choice, cutting out what is white noise.Just read the books before judging, brainlet.
>>13996541>waste the little precious time we have on earth making sure that the rational dismissal against jewish authors is actually 100% correctI rather invest my reading time in actual classics, when expereince and statistics show me your proposal is but a smoke screen. Especially when I'm talking about a western canon, for christ sake.
>>13996553ok retard.
>>13996553>actual classicskek, brainlet
>>13996553Your loss anon, Kafka is a wonderful author, as is Proust
>>13996503We have no obligation to include Jews in our literary canon, and in fact need to be separating ourselves from them now that we see the harm they're doing to the west by promoting mass immigration, pornography, cultural degradation and so forth.I have read the Western Canon and other stuff by Bloom. I don't hate the guy and think he deserves some credit for sticking up for it, but the issue is having him and all these other Jews in positions of power and authority when their influence is generally so negative for white people.Begging for Kafka to be allowed in is the opposite of what we should be doing. How about Jews move to Israel and have their own little canon with Kafka and Freud, and we restore our own with, you know, actual western/European people? The point of the canon is not to be inclusive of Jews and other races, it's to celebrate our achievements.
>>13996576ok retard.
>>13996576>western means whites only No. Fucking hell, is this bait?
Shit I guess it's time to read him. RIP.
>>13996601What the hell else does it mean?
>>13996576>another /pol/ schizo reveals himself They always pretend to be some holier-than-thou intellectual. God you retards are amusing. Carry on
>>13996607... the western world includes countries with plenty of Jews. Even some Italians
>>13996607It means literature to come from Western culture. Just because someone was born a jew yet raised in europe doesn't mean they aren't from the west.
>>13996625So jews aren't white?
>>13993001Kafka was as dark as a nigger
>>13996630 Idk. I don’t really know what this post is talking about >>13996576How does /pol/ define whiteness these days? Are Irish allowed? Italians? I can’t keep up. There are giant ruts where they drag the goalposts back and forth.
>>13996637So you're saying jews are not western, and not white, but something else, correct? Irish and Italians were always considered white btw, which is why they were allowed into the US and given full rights as white citizens.
>>13996645
>>13996645I’m not saying anything about their whiteness as I have no idea what that means in context of how you are talking about it. Secondly, an ethnic Jew born in Austria is still part of the western canon, I’m sorry.
>>13996660Your evidence for the Irish not being considered white is song lyrics?>>13996662If jews are not white and not western, why would they ever be considered for entry into the western canon?
>>13996665I didn’t say they weren’t western, in fact I’m saying the opposite. Again, ethnic Jews born and raised in western countries should be considered candidates for a western canon.
>>13996665"Wanted. - A smart active girl to do general housework------No Irish need apply.Did you not notice the line there?It's well documented by the way.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_sentimentThere were signs in the windows and on the newspaper adds.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ItalianismLook up Anti-Italianism as well.
>>13996670How are jews western if they're originally from the Middle East? Aren't they more Middle Eastern than western? >>13996671So a couple job ads that don't say anything about the Irish not being white is what you're trying to use as proof that the Irish weren't considered white?
>>13996684No, they aren’t. Just as a white man raised in China speaking Chinese and living in Chinese society is more Eastern than Western. Are you fucking retarded anon? You realize that what makes an individual is a product of their upbringing, correct? I guess we should all be put into the African canon since, ultimately, we can trace ourselves there? Give me a break.
>>13995793Actually no, it's almost always evangelical flyover boomers who are trying to latch onto an ancient tradition in my experience rather than the other way around
Professor Bloom was frequently called the most notorious literary critic in America. From a vaunted perch at Yale, he flew in the face of almost every trend in the literary criticism of his day. Chiefly he argued for the literary superiority of the Western giants like Shakespeare, Chaucer and Kafka — all of them white and male, his own critics pointed out — over writers favored by what he called “the School of Resentment,” by which he meant multiculturalists, feminists, Marxists, neoconservatives and others whom he saw as betraying literature’s essential purpose.“Shakespeare is God,” he declared, and Shakespeare’s characters, he said, are as real as people and have shaped Western perceptions of what it is to be human — a view he propounded in the acclaimed “Shakespeare: The Invention of the Human” (1998). …Armed with a photographic memory, Professor Bloom could recite acres of poetry by heart — by his account, the whole of Shakespeare, Milton’s “Paradise Lost,” all of William Blake, the Hebraic Bible and Edmund Spenser’s monumental “The Fairie Queen.” …“What are now called ‘Departments of English’ will be renamed departments of ‘Cultural Studies,’” he wrote in “The Western Canon,” “where Batman comics, Mormon theme parks, television, movies and rock will replace Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Wordsworth and Wallace Stevens.“Major, once-elitist universities and colleges,” he continued, “will still offer a few courses in Shakespeare, Milton and their peers, but these will be taught by departments of three or four scholars, equivalent to teachers of ancient Greek and Latin.”
>>13995793Razib Khan writes that Judaism is more similar to Islam in it's doctrine and practice than Christianity, and the Judeo-Christian is basically just a term invented to get boomers to support Israel.
>>13996691Seems like a pretty convenient setup for a rootless people like Jews. I'm sure the tribe is very comfortable with that explanation, but it doesn't seem very convenient for white people, who according to it have to accept foreigners who physically exist in our countries as the same as ourselves. Do you think this Talmudry you're using is going to be convincing in the long run?
>>13996725I thought it specifically referred to the values presented in the Old Testament. Unequivocal forgiveness or mercy being more of a Christian value rather than a Judeo-Christian one. At least, that’s how I’ve always used the term.
>>13996725Him and everyone else. Simple fact that that's the origin of the term.
>>13996730>this explanation is not convenient for me Sorry anon, but that’s not an argument, nor is appealing to contemporary politics. I think we can be finished with this now.
someone redpill me on the anxiety of influence? sounds like an interesting concept but i'm not sure i understand it.
>>13993402Very nice eulogyRIP
>>13996737So anybody can be western. I can see how that is quite convenient for jews and nonwhites, but equally clear is that it's a bad arrangement for white people. Not sure your talmudic definition of who we are is going to hold up for much longer, my jewish friend.
>>13992939The quote comes from him retelling his original encounter with Harry Potter - there (then) he said that she used silly things like "stretching one's legs" and other 'cliches' throughout the book. Bloom misquoted himself
>>13996691What makes an individual is to 80 percent genetics, unchangable by pure willpower or upbringing. Especially if the people in qustion are raied in a jewish envoirement which is know for it's diskie of goyim culture and individuals.In this case both nature and nurture make them non western.
>>13996684>not being whiteI wasn't arguing for that. I was saying that both the Irish and the Italians were discriminates against.
>>13996765>So anybody can be westernCorrect, provided they meet the criteria (e.g. raised in a western country while adopting their values) >equally clear is that it’s a bad arrangement for white people Not necessarily, as a white man can be eastern in virtue of having met the same criteria. >not sure talmudic definition of who we are is going to hold up much longer I don’t fear the incel ‘rebellion’ but, by all means, continue with your vague appeals to cultural upheaval. It’s certainly easier than having an argument, I suppose.
>>13996783>What makes an individual is to 80 percent geneticsCitation desperately needed
Literally who?
>>13996796Jesus, you could even open up fucking wikipedia of all places and get redpilled, you pleb.
>>13996789Why would white people accept that definition of when it clearly doesn't benefit whites, and primarily benefits jews like yourself? Don't you think it's a little out of place for you to be telling us how our culture is defined?
>>13996822I’m not Jewish, I’m merely defining ‘western’ for you. Whether or not ‘benefits’ certain races is of no difference to me. A westerner is somebody who was born in a western country and has adopted their values. How else would this be defined? Good lord, how far you’ve strayed from the calm intellectual you were pretending to be earlier. Maybe you should get some rest.
>>13992585kevyet mullat
>>13996832>A horse is something who is born in a horse barn and has adopted their values. How else would this be defined?A rat, being born in the filth of the hore barn, will never become a horse.
>>13996821There is no consensus at all as to how much of a human is nature vs nurture.
>>13996842This is gibberish. Anon, I’m going to sleep. I’m glad you exposed yourself and, in a sense, I had fun getting a glimpse into the schizophrenia that, I can only imagine, consumes your every waking moment. Goodnight.
>>13996849Science isn't about consensus, you absolute double digit.
>>13996864Anon, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
>>13996863Sleep tight, ratatouille.
>>13996867>microbiologist has no idea about scienceYour replies are becoming more desperate by the minute.
>>13993402Very good post my friend.
>>13996832Well, as a white person, I reject your definition. There is clearly no benefit for my people that can come from adopting it, whereas "western" = white is a much more clear and straightforward definition, and its use will be far more likely to ensure the actual continuance of the western canon since the same people who developed and contributed most to it will be the ones overseeing it.
>>13996863Wrong guy, chum.
>>13996878Science is literally about consensus. If something can’t be duplicated or verified by other people, it’s worthless.
>>13996887>since the same people who developed and contributed most to it will be the ones overseeing itNobody tell him
>>13996821>What makes an individual is 80% genetics >because Wikipedia says IQ (which is the sole factor in determining "an individual" apparently) is between 57% and 86% heritable Or maybe you just heard alt hype say all traits are 80% heritable a few times and thought you could go around waving that little statement without having to back it up
>>13996887Redefining terms to benefit you doesn’t make you right.
>>13996887Western = white has never been used, nor was the canon in question created with that in mind.
>>13996887Facts don't care about your feelings
>>13996893In your first claim you speak of consensus as ad populum in the circles of experts, yet science is nothing but a method and it doesn't need anybody to agree with it. Especially not in a time where western countries claim that factual statements can be considered hate speech.Verification and duplicability is something completely different and a massive problem in modern studies, but mostly in soft science, where ideologies prevail. Especially were funding is dependend on knowing the right people and sharing their views. >>13996898There are many more studies. I've been around since the black twin adoption study. Yet I'm not going to scholar for that DOI for someone not even able to comprehend wikipedia of all pleb places.
>>13996899>>13996905That has always been the definition. The talmudic definition is the incorrect one.
Is Joseph Conrad not canon then because he looked part Turkic/ Asiatic?
>>13996913Seems that, within such a proposed framework, science could conclude two contradictory proofs. What, then, is the point of consulting ‘science’ in the first place?
>>13996914>saying it again makes me right
>>13996913>science doesn’t need anybody to agree with it what kind of retarded babble is this
>>13996920There is no contradictory proof only different methods or of course more sinister intentions in the interpretation of data. Both regulrly the case, yet mostly in the mainstream acceptable direction to secure future funding.That's why everyone should be able to read and understand a methology in the given context to look for such problems. But most of you people don't even read an abtract.Another example would be nutritional science, which regularly gives such impressions, but on further inspection can easily be picked apart for using a subject group which isn't comparable aka differing variables and therefore fucking up the conclusions. But utritional science to be honest is pure wolololo in the current year.>>13996932It's like math. You may not like a mathematical results, but that doesn't change that it's the truth. For each given variable the results are correct if not maliciously changed. Consens is irrelevant and only used to mainstream something which should be self-cleaning. Just like granding funds only to those ging into specific fields.If you want a consensus you undermine the method, for it includes a faulthy mechanic, which is the human.
>>13996917Those are european epicanthic baltic eye folds, you foul. Do you even into physical anthropology?
Nobody cares who's white or not, you sºyboys. Who will defend the Canon now?!
>>13996926Western has always been a synonym for white because everyone in the west was white or officially less than white before 1965. Like "Judeo-Christian," your definition is a new-age retcon.
>>13993682We're in 2*19 now, offending the deceased is acceptable.
>>13996943Anon, youre the one that appealed to a Wikipedia article as proof, not me. I don’t need your banal, tedious proselytizing about how ‘science’ can be manipulated. If anything, you’re only undermining your own argument. While, yes, some things are true, your ability to discern what is true (as you propose: an individual is 80% genetics) is based upon the records of others—others who could be manipulating their results. Did you find this profound when you wrote it?
>literally the board's father dies>not even 1000 postsNo meme, /lit/ is dead
>>13996957No, it hasn’t. Retard.
>>13996971How many should there be?
>>13996962You wanted a citation, I posted you the source for the most easily digestible which most know and understand - which also gives a good intro and links the original DOI right there.I've read the relevant studies, not only the couple listed here. Even the old Minnesotta adoption study has to face the true that post puberty the races divert back to status quo. The facts speak for themselves, even tho nerly all of those studies are designed to show the exact opposite (again funding). So while they can be skewed with, the probability is much higher to reflect even more into race realism, once it would be corrected. And after all small mistakes in the methology can be balnced out by the mass of data we have already, which all show into the same direction.You can dismiss it, of course, but you would only find yourself within all those other science deniers. You follow your feelings instead of the facts, so you opinion does not only not matter, it's poison for the science you claim to advocate.
>>13996981The argument was that an individual is 80% genetics, a citation for which you didn’t provide. What do you think constitutes an individual? Surely more than raw IQ?
>>13996971It's not dead. We're grieving for Bloom, for a brighter past, and for a clear path forward. First they came for others, now who is left to defend our heritage? It's a long road ahead of us, friend, and I'm having trouble finding the light literature so desperately needs.
>>1399699070% of all genes express in the brain. IQ is the base for measuring your cognitive capabilities. Even slight differences in IQ will also be applicable to the whole genome. If IQ is heritage, even mroe so will the whole genom aka the individual be. But well of course, you could always claim that what make you you is actually black matter and therefore that genetics do not matter, kek.
>>13996997This does literally nothing to argue that an individual is 80% genetics, as nurture isn’t an element considered. That’s the ENTIRE point of contention—namely, how much of an individual’s individuality is conditioned and how much can be traced genetically. These papers do NOTHING to argue for or against a position, they’re merely studies about IQ.
>>13996949They're too pronounced to be European. He looks pseudo asiatic.
What was the last book he read, anons?
>>13997001>nurture isn't consideredNarure and nurture are both responsible and aknowledged for it, you fucking brainlet. When we say IQ of individuals are X% genetic than the remaining parts are of course nurture (and epigenetics, which are sadly too little studied yet). So while the hard genetics are already massivly responsible, changing pre-natal care etc, which currently falls under nurture is actuall epigenetics (responsible for on/offing the genetic switch, making completely different expressions possible).>how much of an individual’s individuality is conditioned and how much can be traced geneticallyAgain, you seem unable to follow. The brain is your most enegery suckig organ. Which is why we use it as an indicator, your whole body is but a vessel to your circuit station. If your brain already is mainly genetic, so will be the rest of your body. And to get back to the topic, we are speaking about personality, which is found in the brain, not in your abdomen. But nomatter what I would provide, you wouldn't want to cease your delusions. Even after 2000 years in europe jews still express as jews. It doen't even matter if that's due to their gens or due to the envoirement, as you can't spplit it up. A jew, when ot raised by a catholic never to learn his tre identity, can only mimick being "white". But anything else will make him distinctly different from a westerner.>>13997011Hes a baltic Pole, it's a common phenotype over there. It's not even Sami. Check out his other pictures, that's why we always take otehr measurments as well (portrait and frontal).
>>13994116PFHAHAHA
>>13993600he was 89 anon
>>13992585this genuinely made me sad, F
Everyone is trying to cancel Bloom on Twitter because of muh canon sux, but I just want to see him cancelled because he's a dirty, unrepentant Gnostic.
>>13997094RIP
>>13997018my diary....desu...
>>13996971>half of those posts are /pol/tard baitIt died long ago
>>13997235The only people who can be expected to uphold the western canon are white men, the ones who created it, yet you whine like a faggot when they do so here? The people on this board need to get their priorities straight.
They have the numbers; we, the heightsHarold BloomMy title is from Thucydides and is spoken by the Spartan commander at Thermopylae. Culturally, we are at Thermopylae: the multiculturalists, the hordes of camp- followers afflicted by the French diseases, the mock-feminists, the commissars, the gender-and-power freaks, the hosts of new historicists and old materialists--all stand below us. They will surge up and we may be overcome; our universities are already travesties, and our journalists parody our professors of "cultural studies." For just a little while longer, we hold the heights, the realm of the aesthetic.
>>13997310cringe
Fuck Bard Worship
>>13997310https://bostonreview.net/archives/BR23.2/bloom.html
>>13997274You're a mutt, get real.
the late sean f kay will do it>>13992609>>13992622>>13992667>>13992681>>13992682>>13992686>>13992688>>13992690>>13992696>>13992701>>13992717>>13992720>>13992725>>13992727>>13992732>>13992737>>13992746>>13992752>>13992752>>13992771>>13992796>>13992800>>13992837
>>13996438Zadie Smith was also friends with Philip Roth and gave no fucks about people who thought he was a misogynist. She's pretty cool.
The DeadI SEE them,—crowd on crowd they walk the earth,Dry leafless trees no autumn wind laid bare;And in their nakedness find cause for mirth,And all unclad would winter’s rudeness dare;No sap doth through their clattering branches flow,Whence springing leaves and blossoms bright appear:Their hearts the living God have ceased to knowWho gives the springtime to the expectant year.They mimic life, as if from Him to stealHis glow of health to paint the livid cheek;They borrow words for thoughts they cannot feel,That with a seeming heart their tongue may speak;And in their show of life more dead they liveThan those that to the earth with many tears they give.
"When beggars die there are no comets seen. The heavens themselves blaze forth the death of princes."
Mistah Bloom—he dead.
>>13994052What about the Greeks and rimans in the pre-christian era
Do not stand at my grave and weepI am not there; I do not sleep.I am a thousand winds that blow,I am the diamond glints on snow,I am the sun on ripened grain,I am the gentle autumn rain.When you awaken in the morning's hushI am the swift uplifting rushOf quiet birds in circled flight.I am the soft stars that shine at night.Do not stand at my grave and cry,I am not there; I did not die.
>>13992585Fmay he rest in peace.
>>13992585And literature had finally died.
>>13993740He literally just wanted to read books, and he wanted to share that love with everyone F
Not much of a /lit/fag, but I remember his existence pissing off a bunch of Marxists in my Year 12 English class when my teacher told us all about him.RIP
>early lifenah dude
>>13994801Does any chinese novel translated become a wester novel?
rfe
>>13992585rest in peace Harold. Aesthetics over ideology.
>>13997020Dude, I'm not the one calling him Turanid. I've seen him classified on one of the autistic forums and other people see it as well. He had some minor influences, but they're definitely noticeable.
>>13993694Sadly, this is true. His reviews for out.com were more interesting and not as boomerly, but he stopped writing for them.
>>13997833Well, I don't think highly of Apri anymore. Lets not forget the age. There is a reason why we don't classify neither kids nor old fucks. Skin sagging and other disfigurments, even fucking fat, can distort a pheno. And most of those people are incapable of differentianting a borreby from a fat Hallstatt cunt or will claim Sephardic traits as a disagreement.Sadly e don't even have pigmented pictures, although in other pics his eyes are clearly light and his hair ws prolly some typical slav mud-blonde/ light brown.
>>13993187That's hilarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQwrx4dI0xE
Possessed by something like the desire Plato described to look on corpses, I scrolled through Twitter to see him denounced by Anglophones as a closed-minded bigot, between all the obituaries hailing him as cosmopolitan critic in Spanish, Portuguese, French, and Italian. It was in Bloom that I first saw the names Anne Carson and John Crowley in print; it was from Bloom that I first heard of Machado de Assis and Alejo Carpentier, of Jay Wright and Thylias Moss. I’ll wager that his critics haven’t heard of Thylias Moss (you might start here if you’re curious), but they’re sure that they’re smarter and holier than Bloom, certain that their lives and opinions and tastes are beyond reproach now and forever. I won’t defend every excess of his rhetoric or every failure in his personal life, and I don’t absolve anyone of irresponsible or evil behavior; but neither do I think it actually helps the world when every artistic or intellectual achievement is forced back down into the squalor we should instead be grateful it was able to subsume and transcend.Is it not possible that the work of a midcentury scholar of working-class urban Yiddish-speaking Jewish background who championed the dissenting Romantics against the New Critical establishment and its Anglo-Catholic poetics is not exhaustively explained by the word “white,” or that a critic whose aesthetics traveled under the banners of Whitman and Wilde, of Walter Pater and Hart Crane, offered, with its contingency and robust homosocial conflict and gnostic contempt for the organic and merely given, a substantially queer canon?I would delete all these polemics—aren’t they unseemly in a valediction? But no, it’s a fitting tribute. Didn’t Bloom teach me the style? Didn’t I learn it in my teen years from books readily available at the mall and tantalizingly only half-comprehensible to me then, books written for the common reader but not for one presumed unintelligent, while the scourges of “elitism” (whatever that is—it seems like anti-elitism today is primarily the defense of corporate monopolies) wouldn’t deign to write for anyone outside their cliques and coteries? And didn’t he often affect, in a spirit whose calculated campiness was never quite grasped by his detractors, the posture of the warrior, if only of the dangerously ludic Falstaffian variety? I desist from these questions, if not from the work. Adieu to Bloom is all I came here to say.
>>13998013hi tumblr
Today is a dark day for /lit/, even more so than Gene Wolfe’s death.
>>13994067Nah he was a better critic pre-Trump, less dogmatic
Why do these leftist groups always call them white men but never jewish?
>>13998116Because hating white men is mainstream and socially acceptable, but hating Jews is not.
>>13998116You don't bite the hand that feeds you, anon.
Is his book How to Read and Why worth it? Considering it's title I can't imagine it being too hard to read.
>>13998190I liked it. It's kinda lightweight, I guess.
>>13992585Rest in peace. May his parting inspire those left behind to carry on his tradition.
>>13998013BASED
>>13997602please. he obviously wanted a fair bit more than that, stop making him out to be some passive nice guy
>>13998013Unironically good post
>>13998293follow him for more: https://grandhotelabyss.tumblr.com/
>>13998317Don't have tumblr so I can't follow, but will check the other posts. Just cause it came from a shit site doesn't mean it's a shit post.
>>13992585f bloomy boy. didn't really like you but you did make people discuss literature so i gotta respect that
;_;7
>>13998203Was it enlightening? Did it teach you how to read properly?
>>13998399>Did it teach you how to read properly?Unlikely, given my retardedness,
I'll be honest, I didn't know he was still alive. I never read his works or anything, but my Shakespeare and Chaucer professor used him as a resource in his teaching, so I have an immediate connection there. Rest in Peace.
>>13992686fucker
Any recorded lectures? I've never seen him in anything more than stills
>>13998726do your own youtube search
>>13995767>abridgedInto the trash it goes
>>13993740>Fare forewardThe crazy thing is that here he is alluding to "The Dry Salvages" by Eliot. And his whole life he was struggling against Elliot's legacy. The passage he is alluding to is fascinating when you keep this in mind.>'Fare forward, you who think that you are voyaging;>You are not those who saw the harbour>Receding, or those who will disembark.>Here between the hither and the farther shore>While time is withdrawn, consider the future>And the past with an equal mind.>At the moment which is not of action or inaction>You can receive this: "on whatever sphere of >being>The mind of a man may be intent>At the time of death"—that is the one action>(And the time of death is every moment)>Which shall fructify in the lives of others:>And do not think of the fruit of action.>Fare forward. >O voyagers, O seamen,>You who came to port, and you whose bodies>Will suffer the trial and judgement of the sea,>Or whatever event, this is your real destination.'>So Krishna, as when he admonished Arjuna>On the field of battle. >Not fare well,>But fare forward, voyagers.
>>13996438>>13996486>>13997406Are her books any good?
1k posts, here we go!
>>13997018My book, he was about to call it a masterpiece
>>13998807> >beingtrue innovator
>>13992585Is that a picture of him tomorrow?
Fbased mods stickying
>>13998841It was so shit it finally did him in.
the West is now truly dead
>>13998807His troubled relationship with Eliot was a fascinating one, partly because his dislike seemed to stem primarily from Eliot's anti-semitism, which is a position on Eliot not entirely unlike that of the School of Resentment (though Bloom would never deny Eliot his place in the canon as a major poet and would undoubtedly support his works being taught in higher education).
Now that the dust has settled, did Harold Bloom infact violently rape Naomi Wolf or was it mere sexual assault?
>>13993001they deserve execution
>>13995767The fact that /lit/ seemed to start posting about Tristram Shandy soon after I ahppened upon and read the Wikipedia article for it disturbs me greatly and makes me think i may be delusional.
>>13993001>the (((journalist))) who wrote that>graduate of Smith "feminist brainwashing" College
>>13992585We have Mittens though! He is a really good apprentice of Harold Bloom.
>>13999045Just the matrix, using you as a beta tester, before release. Happens to me regularly.
>>13992737We've got Megan Boyle too, yum
>>13992585That's sad. I was just thinking about him the other day. F.
>>13992585I thought it was a joke again .Sleep tight old man, you've done a good job
>>13995589They don't consider themselves white, just white passing.
>>13999142they only do when it's convenient to them
>>13999077Fucking heartless monster didn't even accept my request to make a post in commemoration of Tsar Alexander II.
>>13999018D R A C U L A S D A U G H T E R
RIP in peace
>>13992875>blatantly lie over a children's bookIs this to do with Harry Potter?
>>13992585why hello there i have gone insane. im the Joker in real life.im just delivering the content to stay calm because im the famous Joker who only makes the content.the. "people" are everywhere. whirrs in suit and then just stops pretending to be a video game character.i was just coming to drop off some content and what do you know isn't this the guy from the famous harry potter stephen king copypasta.said sk was "vastly inadequate" and things like that.anyway.here's the content. i like to picture it as me posting what stephen king says. when we go to some secret room we made with our minds. and eventually we'll figure out what a mansion is
The cause of death has revealed to have been a severe case of turgid influenza
May he rest in peace.
>>13993001>neoconservativeswas this an error?
so long prof
>>13996516I remember reading that while Bush was in office Bloom said he was the worst president ever. Something like people are too poor to buy food and they are too poor to buy books. So I think him being silly about presidents was normal and maybe a little more silly with Trump. Here are my two cents about the earlier Jewish author mess. Strict Jewish families force their children to learn to read at a young age so I believe this has something to do with their tendency to be "successful". If some great authors were not Jewish and were not forced to learn to read the Torah or whatever at a young age, then perhaps they would not be the great authors they became. This has nothing to do with the content of the culture other than the very act of emphasizing reading early. So I think with the wests lazy education culture the only cultures left that really emphasize reading and studying early are the large GDP growing Asian countries and the Jewish people.
>>13997355>>13999627>Their immediate provocation was the obscene American slaughter of the Vietnamese, but the Saturnalia that reigned for a few years, from Tokyo to Paris, quickly transcended the occasion. The epiphenomenon of the Revival went by soon enough, but it was clear to discerning spirits in 1968-70 that the consequences, though minimal for our capitalist society's ruling powers, would be endless for any cognitive and aesthetic activities throughout the Western world. Robber barons, in all countries, were immune from the contamination of the New Enthusiasm. Nothing has changed, except perhaps for the worse, in our political and economic life. The true legatees of the mock-Revolution were Ronald Reagan and now his parody, Bill Clinton.
>>13994922Then why, even in a racially tense and historically divided nation like the US, does race come in, at best, as the 5th highest predictive factor of who commits crime?They are usually found to be 1. Biological sex (male), 2. Age (15-25), 3. Socio economic status (low) and 4. Even fucking marital status comes in higher (single/dysfunctional relationship).These are largely truisms in every single society on the planet regardless of race, nationality, culture, religion etc. Poor, single, young men do the bulk of antisocial and criminal behaviour. This is a universal now and also across time for the past several centuries that crime statistics were kept. The fact that race even comes in as number 5 in some countries like USA is just a barometer to show who a society fails and allows to become it's criminals.
>>13999658Niggers commit 53% of all violent crime in America.
>>1399553875% of the genome is identical in every human on the planet. The other 25% percent is polymorphic and through the different frequencies of their alleles we get differences in skin colour, eye shape, nose width etc. Most of this 25% seems dedicated to the outer appearance of the so called races as regional adaptation. Skin color for instance seems mostly determined by different expressions of the gene SLC24A5 but there could be more, even dozens more, also involved. That's for something as relatively straight forward as the genetic instruction "make skin fair/dark". Pseuds like you cannot engage honestly in your own interests because it requires ignoring truth and evidence.Of course, you could just prove me wrong in a single sentence by linking me to a scientific definition of race along with a list of all the human races.
>>13999705Men commit nearly 100% of all violent crime in America. Get rid of "niggers" (men, women, chidren) and violent crime halves. Get rid of men (of all races but leave black women and chidlren) and violent crime drops almost to zero. This would be a stupid thing to do, I'm just showing you how we men are the niggers of gender.
>>13999768You are obviously retarded, go back to red&it.
>>13997018They found a copy of aeschylus under his pillow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQwrx4dI0xE>September 22, 2019He seems to have been in good spirits this recently, looking much better than in earlier videos. Oh well, life's fragile.
>>13999798Haha, no argument. That figures. Typical pol user collapses into a pile of insultive goo at even the slightest pushback.I'll be here waiting if you want to try and worm your way out of reality. And on the off chance I was talking to someone else in my other posts, I'll also ask you. What is the scientific definition of race and what are all those human races?
>>13999825You are a very stupid person, anon. Do you understand? You should make every attempt to avoid voicing your opinions in public and on the internet in the future.
>>13999846Still waiting, pol cuck. You dont belong here. You arent EVEN a fucking pseud. At least they come here as somewhat well read auto didacts with the intent of masquerading as literary scholars. I can tell you're a brainlet that doesn't even read. You probably see yourself as a superior Aryan (hence pol) but that it's your responsibility to hone your body and mind for muh coming race war (hence lit and fit). But you're a fraud, even amongst your own. A LARPer among LARPers. A short fat balding cowardly idiot who replaces seeking actual growth and development with shitposting canned white nationalist talking points. Its so much easier than working out and struggling to understand fancy $10 words huh.
>>13994306was gonna start listening to that, is it really that bad?
Always meant to get into his writings, never did. Where should I start? The Western Canon?
>>13999933the episodes about gender had gender in their title, he didn't make chaucer part 1-3 and then two of those were about gender
>>13999946i'm going to start with "how to read and why", you should read it with me anon
>>14000008I have that book in front of me right now. I just finished the 50 page preface to anxiety of influence. I like it so far but like others said I see him as a strong essayist. >>14000000
If mods keep deleting the poltard posts we'll never hit 1000 replies.
>>13999999
He was a pretty funny guy
>>14000134Forget years, they won't even get their 1000 post Reich kek
>>13999946>Where should I start? The Western Canon?The WC is the only truly essential Bloom book.You will refer back to it periodically over the years, to see how your readings of the canon greats compare to Bloom's. You'll mine his list at the end for reccs - Bloom was the original "top 100 image graph" poaster. Eventually you won't need the list anymore, and you'll check it just to see what Bloom put there as a taxonomy of his taste, which translations he liked.
>>13999638>the consequences, though minimal for our capitalist society's ruling powers, would be endless for any cognitive and aesthetic activities throughout the Western world.>New EnthusiasmCertainly it's easier than ever to whip audiences into a mindless lather of ego-less bodies eager to assent to whatever the speaker asserts, or reinforces. And that, dizzying as the menu of cults appears to be at first glance, they're the same in procedure and result: Their followers will play for any team that makes them feel like a winner, in any game contrived to make them lose.
RIP in piece, Bloom. Let's hope the canon holds out.
Just heard. F. RIP Bloom. Now there's nobody to defend the canon
>>13993386>He just wanted to preserve great artThat's exactly why. Those 'people' are part of the same culture that exalts the ugly, that calls trash art and art hate. They cannot accept that there is true, objective beauty out in the world and that they are not a part of it.
ANYONE who believes in the "western canon" needs to go to the ER to have their head surgically removed from the inside of their rectum. Bloom was such a bullshit artist and oxygen thief.
>another out of touch boomer with stupid opinions diedhere's the world's smallest violin, playing just for him and his fans! womp womp
>>13992585>RIP Harold Bloom. There is no one to defend the canon now.Not true.Me and my mommy.
>>14000527>boomer
>>14000575>Harold Bloomer
>>13999953ah ok, thanks for the clarification>>14000008I'll pick it up next time I'm at the bookstore, thanks anon