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History proved him wrong.

>>13990545
how

>>13990562
He's a normie faggot associating Nietzsche's philosophy with the Nazis

>>13990540
Dostoevsky BTFO him before he'd even written half his shit

>>13990540
It's hard to dialogue with Nietzsche because of his writing style. Take Heidegger, who crititicized Nietzsche's Will to Power, he takes Will to Power as being a metaphysical position of Nietzsche. Others see the concept of Will to Power as valid, but also as sort of irony, it comes from Schopenhauer's Will to Live. Nietzsche inserts humor in his philosophy, you no longer know what is serious or just half-serious. It's hard to have the correct interpretation to criticize.

>>13990540
HEH... sorry freddy... but the world gets better as the will to power is neutered
Have you even SEEN the increase in GDP or population? The more people enjoying capitalism and democracy the better the world is

>>13990540
His entire philososphy is coming from a place of weakness and insecurity.
He died from syphillis and was an alcoholic.
Im not judging him, Im just telling you that he was a weak man who thought and behaved like a weak man, so you should take everything he says with a grain of salt.

>>13990540
Leaving aside his first books, it's hard to take him seriously as a philosopher.

I took the (wrong) choice of studying philosophy in college. Only once I had to study anything related to him, and it was a brief module during Ethics I, when we had a brief introduction to Schopenhauer followed by Nietzsche's ethics based on The Birth of Tragedy.

In his later works he comes out as nothing close to an academic or professional. This is natural since he didn't have a high opinion of academy. But because of this his later writings read more like literary books that philosophical writings.

I think it's great to read him, and everyone should at some point tackle some of his major works. But due to the inconsistency of his thought throughout his life, the literary and often ironic way he writes, and the lack of any well-constructed arguments (he mostly went for the aphoristic style), it's hard to find solid grounds for any philosophical view attributed to him (or to the position itself).

>>13990635
The cause of his death is not known. And you are applying Nietzsche's method of desconstruction, using psychological motivations.

>>13990652
Have you read Deleuze's Nietzsche and Philosophy?

>>13990747
No, I haven't.

I looked it up and it looks interesting. I'll try to get a physical copy this week.

>>13990540
Nietzsche was a retard who thought life needs meaning.

>>13991005
Cool, lots of interesting stuff in that book that addressed what you're talking about in that post.

>>13990628
Unironically this. Fuck everybody who disagree.

>>13990739
I think the term is to be "hoisted by one's own petard".

I have a BA in Philosophy, so allow me to state the academic consensus on Nietzsche. He’s a stylist. His philosophy is mean-spirited and un-theoretical. I mean compare him to Ellul and Singer and even Kant (whose racism diminishes his reputation) and you see men with coherent systems on how to live life. Nietzsche nah. I recommend Singer and students of Spinoza (never read first hand sources as they’re all racist and outdated) and live according to one of their systems. I like Plato’s. Do what is good! Simple right. Always tell the truth, love and talk to everyone, don’t be racist or sexist, and be a good law abiding citizen. Nietzches sexism ain’t got nothing on that

>>13991313
>always tell the truth
>love and talk to everyone
>don't be racist or sexist
>be a good law abiding citizen

Nietzsche agrees with all of these things

>>13991313
are you a troll?

>>13991348
>>13991473
Nietzsche is influenced by Machiavelli and he says be deceptive. He's also racist and mysogonistic. Loeb and Leopold and the Nazis were influenced by Nietzsche, so he knew who he was writing for. The fact that he's not being taught anymore is a good thing anons, but don't ask me, ask my girlfriend. Virgins.

>>13991878
Masterful bait

>>13991473
>(never read first hand sources as they’re all racist and outdated
what do you think ffs

>>13991313
Truly epic trolling. I salute you, comrade.

>>13990635
>He died from syphillis and was an alcoholic.
You're so retarded. Nietzsche was a teetotaler and syphilis is just some scholars' best guess. If he had it, it wasn't from excessive sex (he had almost none), but from a time when he visited a brothel as a student.

>>13991006
based

>>13990635
You probably never read him and are grouping your misrepresentation of his philosophy with his illness to complete your feeble world view, thus anti-Nietzschian in itself.

>>13990545
Proved him right you mean.

>>13990628
, said the Jew from his ivory tower.

>>13990540
Schopenhauer debunked him retroactively.

>>13992501
nietzsche debunked him retroactively

>>13992501
i know people on /lit/ never explain themselves, but can you elaborate here

>>13991150
I halfway agree and disagree. Yes, we have objectively made the world a much more comfortable place as we’ve progressed in both economic and social strata, but we’ve gone too far. It is not healthy for society to be completely liberated in the social arena in that there is no injunction towards undisputably degrading habits and lifestyles. The average person does not possess the capabilities required to be endowed with total personal freedom. You can see the consequences of such notions simply by the explosion of gay/trans/poly movements and their aftereffects. The higher type may be allotted this unbounded lifestyle, but the average man takes it and runs his society into the ground.

>>13990652
The analytic tradition of studying philosophy has poisoned your mind. Have fun in sterile academia

>>13990622
/thread

>>13990540
>retroactively refuted by Augustine and Aquinas.

>>13990540
Socrates debunked him by his life and death. It's clearly visible that under ranting against him there are admiration and envy. He was everything Nietzsche couldn't become.