/lit/ - Literature

> Intellectuality is overcoming instincts
> Implying controlling these instincts wouldn't suffice

I dunno brah, that post sounds rather intellectual

kinda heady stuff

>>1397687
Tripe and trite.

> Intellectuality is overcoming instincts.

Oh hey, I spotted the bullshit. Do I win a prize?

>>1397697
Anyone put into a condoning situation can more or less control themselves, but it takes true will power and mental strength for one to overcome oneself.

>>1397710
lol umad

>Which are you: the scared and pathetic rat or the self-overcoming Overman?

The Overman deifies his instincts and would consider any rationality so absurd so as to encourage suicide to be a poison.

Lrn2Nietzsche.

>>1397714
Nietzsche himself threatened to commit suicide a number times.

>>1397710
It would also take mental willpower to replace your "life-denying" point of view with a "life-affirming" one, so why not do that instead? Especially if we are going to apply Nietzsche's terms.

Although Nietzsche did say in an aphorism that when was has become old and useless it may be better to take your own life with dignity than let yourself be taken against your will.

>>1397721
Nietzsche was fucking a lonely, physically sick person. He didn't consider himself "The Overman" and for good reason.

>>1397727
Yeah, that is because he was modest. He is the closest to the Ubermensch that you can realistically get.

>>1397710
>but it takes true will power and mental strength for one to overcome oneself.
>overcome oneself
>simultaneously condoning suicide

Yeah, OK chief.

the scared and pathetic rat

>>1397743
>implying the Übermensch was modest
>implying Nietzsche didn't despise his modesty and pity, and wished he had a strong, immodest will

Nietzsche, in his writings, is the man he wanted to be in his actual life. Read the subtitles to Ecce Homo: this is the height of immodesty.

>I know my fate. One day my name will be associated with the memory of something tremendous — a crisis without equal on earth, the most profound collision of conscience, a decision that was conjured up against everything that had been believed, demanded, hallowed so far. I am no man, I am dynamite.

>>1397724
I used the overman as a reference for someone who is self-overcoming. He used "life-denying" as a term to describe Christians who abstain from vices only because they want to get into heaven, which is being disingenuous. But regardless, your post does make more sense towards Nietzschean thought, but again, I was only using the Overman as a rough reference for self-overcoming.

>>1397687
I'm pretty sure that I am the Übermensch. Its not as impressive as it sounds though.

Okay OP. Stop using this "must spread the message" mentality as a means of avoiding it and do it yourself.

>>1397687
What's that picture from? I like it.

>>1397765
I never said that I was an intellectual.

inb4 teenagers who kill themselves because of all the angsty bullshit

>He used "life-denying" as a term to describe Christians who abstain from vices only because they want to get into heaven

Not just Christians, but any doctrine which he considered to be symptomatic of nihilism: which includes the kind of Schopenhauerian pessimism which you espouse.

>I was only using the Overman as a rough reference for self-overcoming.

Well can't use the word "Overman" and expect people to ignore everything that it implies.
Suicide would be self-overcoming in the sense that the Will to Die has overcome the Will to Live.

Sauce on the pic so I can move on and ignore this troll thread clearly directed at 14 yr olds.

>>1397794
I guess it is the cover of this album http://www.amazon.com/Malady-Elegance-Goldmund/dp/B0019H9WEI

Shut the fuck up.

I don't disagree with your post. I'm just wondering why/how the fuck you can be so arrogant as to say it.

Do you realize that you look like a total cunt?

better tell the world, bro. GO TELL IT ON THE MOUNTAIIIIN

I don't fear death, per se, but there is a lot more living I want to do before I see what's next. I disagree completely that suicide is an intellectual act, also. Suicide is an act of fear, an act of desperation, an act of strong emotion, not an act of thoughtfulness.

>>1397819
>per se
Stopped reading there

>>1397806
Sweet, thanks. Also, SAGE. Can't believe you faggots waste your energy arguing this bullshit.

Do it then faggot. I'll do it after you I promise.

>>1397826

Umm... Why?

I'm convinced.

Felt good man.

>>1397819
It depends on the reason why you commit suicide. You can commit suicide out of strength. That is how you can become your own god, so to speak, because it shows that you are entirely responsible over your own life. You rely on no one to decide your fate, you bring it into your own hands.

>>1397861
Ivan I considered you a harmless nuisance until this thread, now I consider you an idiot.

>>1397861

It's an empty gesture, and you have to be a pretty small man to be so obsessed with control as to use suicide to obtain it. You control your own fate, and then you end it, and no one will say, "He made a choice and gained the ultimate power over his own destiny," they will say, "What a waste."

I did it, trust me, it wasn't that fun. Turns out there's only one afterlife, so all the assholes who post pretentious shit about DURR SUICIDE IS INTELLECTUAL are still there, and for some reason I never comprehended, there's no pudding. Might as well chill here for as long as possible, you'll get there eventually, trust me.

Wouldn't Pavel S be a better trip for you if that's your position?

>>1397873
Someone wouldn't so that to gain social recognition, they would do it to gain personal triumph.

>>1397953
If it's so personal. Why discuss it?

This book will change your mind.

>>1397963
Acceptance is for pussies.

>>1397872
And Idiot? Like Prince Myshkin? I'm okay with that.

>>1397872
And Idiot? Like Prince Myshkin? I'm okay with that.

>>1397872
An Idiot? Like Prince Myshkin? I'm okay with that.

>>1397969

And intellectual suicide is for deluders who succeed only in making their existence even more absurd.

To search for personal meaning while maintaining an acceptance of objective meaninglessness is the ultimate revolt against death.

>>1397981
>>1397986
you losing it.

>>1397953

Personal triumph? You can't enjoy that triumph when you're dead. You don't win anything. You don't get to feel any pride in your accomplishment. You get to die. Congratulations on your great triumph.

As I said, it's an empty gesture.

>>1397963

no, dis

>>1398011
How do you know that? You are making assumptions. There are two ways to learn the truth; one just happens to be quicker than the other.

>>1398032

No, because once you're dead there is no longer any "you" to learn truth. It doesn't really matter either way, dead or alive, we'll be ignorant as fuck.

>>1398047
You are taking that as if it were an axiom. The truth is that no one alive knows for sure, there is only one way to find out and that is to die.

I suicide ones.

die for two minutes.

now I see demonse.

and can talk to animalse.

and between you and me life has never been the same

>>1398056
I know for sure, maybe its just you who doesn't?

>>1398056

I think it's generally accepted among reasonable people that one doesn't survive one's own death.

If it's the truth you are concerned about, dedicate your life to science.

>>1398056

Well, as I said in my first post, though I don't fear death I'm not eager to find out what happens after it. I'm a theist, I believe in an afterlife, but I think throwing away life because you want to know the truth about death is just stupid.

>>1398056

Yes I understand, there is only one way to "find out", except in this case you don't really find out anything. Suspicion about God (or whatever) is either reaffirmed or NOTHING happens. Because if your consciousness indeed continues to exist - well, way to go, maybe you'll even get to suck Satan's cock thanks to your sinful actions 'gainst the flesh (abviously i am not limiting this to christfaggery). If, however, what follows is nothingness, then there is no more any "you" to speak of, and the "you" that was before just stupidly gambled away "yourself". The only value I see in suicide is purely literary or poetic (annd Camus was not a philosopher). Other than that it's just fail. I know I'm a bit illiterate on this, but do you get the gist of what I'm trying to say? You can only "find out" that there is consciousness after death. If there isn't then "you" don't find anything out.

keeping in line with /lit/ :

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren’t lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

--Parker

>>1397687
>Overman
That was the only word in your post that was worth anything since it made me think of this series.
Other than that, you're a coward.

It takes a lot of effort to die.

>>1398102
Yes I understand what you are saying, but if there really is nothing after you die, then it really doesn't matter if you commit suicide. Since nothing exists, there is nothing to miss out on. You have everything you will need.
Essentially by your logic, there is really no use in gaining a few trite memories if you are only going to forget them as soon as you die. You might as well die as soon as you can because it will be the same whether you were a king or a peasant when you are dead.

Hey bros, Protoman here.
You guys are all faggots.

>>1398140
Then go ahead kill yourself, if think meaning has to obey some conservation law such that there cannot be meaning in life if there isn't any after death, then kill yourself. As for me I choose what I give meaning, and I choose to take enjoyment from life, death will wait for me.

>>1398140

Nonsense. The world endures after you're gone, so you should strive to leave a mark on it and live on through that, if nothing else.

There's plenty to enjoy in life, too, even if it has no objective meaning. Even if you forget it when you die, death need not come soon.

By your logic, if it doesn't matter if you commit suicide... Why would you? It doesn't matter one way or another, so why not stick with the status quo--life--rather than taking the radical step of suicide.

>>1398141
I've got this fire in my veins filled with nothing but gasoline...

>>1398140

ah, kk, sorry for insight/logic fail.

At the end it probably comes down to whether one enjoys/has any vested interest in life. Nevertheless, I still believe it is better to live by default, kind of like it it would be better to believe in god by default for the very same reason. It's fucking lame, but the logic of insurance would dictate so.

>>1398140
I don't believe in anything after death either. But the way I see it is like this:

I am alive now, there will never be another me in this time in this place, hell there will never be another me, I will never be again. The outcome is zero, I'll lose in the end, so why not enjoy the game, it's not like there is any other option to me. Either not play the game and lose or play the game and lose. In the first case I might as well have never existed. In the second if I do play the game, I will lose anyway, but if I make up the rules, then while it's lasting I'm winning. At least it is a different outcome than suicide and losing anyway. Anyone can do that and the universe is filled with loss, the chance to experience my own time is the only thing I truly have.


Look at this cake, if you eat it it'll be gone,if you throw it away it'll be gone, if you don't eat it it'll go bad. The cake will be gone no matter what choice you make, that's a universal law. Now, you have the choice, throw the cake away, let it spoil, or eat it just because you can, no matter if you'll end up with nothing.

>>1398255
Now you just made me depressed because I don't have any cake. Way rub salt in the wound, now suicide just looks like an even better option.

>>1398255
So life is like a delicious caek?

>>1398287
Yes, life in any western country (well maybe except for some parts of the USA) is a delicious cake.

I agree with OP

>>1398321
Now you don't, you killed yourself out of an aesthetic sensibility, a desire not to survive into old age out of risk of damaging your vision of muscle bound perfection. And to a much smaller degree as a protest on behalf of Japanese imperialism.

>>1398333
I think he just wanted to go out with a bang.

Ever consider that being conscious is more interesting than the absence of consciousness itself?

God..I saw a thread about Kurt Cobain under this one.


(how ironic)