/lit/ - Literature

“For a vision, spanning centuries and continents, that sees the hysterical comedy of history, and the mundane tragedy of life”
or some shit like that

"For his powerful and artistically unique contribution to the modern American novel."

he shouldn't

The novel’s greatest attribute is the direct representation of 1960s California. Like every Boomer, Pynchon really has nothing at all to say if it isn’t about the 1960s. Yet the immediacy and ugliness of the apocalyptic decade are most clearly seen in these pages full of anarchists, corporate stooges, immolating bums, queers, druggies, and freaks.

The problem with Lot 49 and his conspiracy novels as a whole is that Pynchon’s deep unwisdom. The man is characteristically a Boomer, and just like almost every other doped-up, over-educated egoist of his age, he has much to express about his life experiences, yet he has nothing but trite aphorisms to share. [...] the man’s character and personality are almost embarrassingly exposed through Benny Profane, Oedipa, and Slothrop, all basically-identical and easily identifiable as the author himself. More than his narcissism is the Boomer’s myopia. Like a compelling rock n roller, he has nothing truly interesting or philosophic to say, and little ability outside his three-chord rut. The Boomer is a narcissist primarily because he cannot envision any means to see outside of himself. Ideas are dead in him. In their place are the pop culture references and meaningless sex and drugs which populate Pynchon’s work and, nowadays, the minds of the West’s ruling class. At its best, this frenetic obsession with pop is harmlessly amusing; at its worse (cf. Vineland) it is pathetic and contemptible.For all the changes of scenery, for all the panoply of characters, for all the languages and toe-dips into other disciplines, Pynchon is a trite and boring author. He has little greater depth or understanding than a first year grad student trying to amalgamate all he has learned into one sloppy work. For all his attempts at eclecticism, he has no ideas. There is not atheist versus Christian, liberal versus reactionary, monarchist versus liberal, only an army of homogeneous merry pranksters. One gets the impression that this may be intentional. If Pynchon is portraying an earth filled by empty vessels, Nietzsche’s last men, so be it. But the author can’t have it both ways—the last men can’t be pitiable proles and also be expected to hold a reader's attention when allowed to digress on politics and history. More than this, if it is possible to fill a good 800 page novel with such pitiable proles, we have not yet been offered proof.

The more we reflect on Pynchon’s work, one begins to wonder if his conspiracies are a crutch much more than an asset, an excuse for the author not to deal with a real plot or character development. And conspiracies are not by themselves interesting. Freemasons are the most boring people on earth, yet freemasonry—or more precisely, why freemasonry has had such a hold on modern man—is very interesting. Why has modern man succumbed to the ideas he has?

>>13974090
The goofs, gas, pranks, scat and bestiality.

>>13974293
HAHAHAHAHA HE SPELLED "SAYS" AS "SEZ" AGAIN, AND HE DID IT ON PURPOSE. HOLY BASED!

WHY DO I LIKE PYNCHON? HIS MIMIC WHAT IT IS LIKE TO LIVE IN CONFUSING POSTMODERNITY, THE BREAKDOWN OF GRAND METANARRATIVES INTO MEANINGLESS SIGNS, WHICH PROVIDE NO ANSWERS! NOTHING! JUST LIKE REAL LIFE!

>>13974090
wouldn’t that be sumthin
lit’s pretty boy
https://youtu.be/Ly_XLV5B8nI

>>13974218
>Pynchon really has nothing at all to say if it isn’t about the 1960s.
He does not really say all that much about the 60s. This view really shows an inability to see beyond the surface.

>>13975019
>trust me guys there's a lot more in it that youre just not getting, just trust me on this. No i won't say what's in it
Come on, list the painfully cringe clichés that you think Pynchon is about

>>13975042
Your post did not warrant anything more, you just cried boomer in a verbose fashion, you said nothing. I am not some rare and unique individual that 'gets it,' there is plenty written on Pynchon and his works.

>>13975081
>JUST TRUST ME BRO
Okay, retard. You don't get shit. Just another wannabe who can't think for himself.

>>13974218
There's still the whole "Hippy graduation class of '69 obsessing over CIA niggers while tripping on LSD" as a genre. A bit like how Agatha Christie established murder mystery through sheer repetition.

>>13975100
I never said to trust me, or even implied such a thing. I just do not care enough.

>>13975122
The counterculture paved the way for the degeneracy and decadence that followed it. Counterculture Boomers can't believe this, they can't believe that their new-age values directly lead to this, and so they love theorizing about how it was the CIA, or some other intelligence agency, subverting the true and good ideological core of the movement.

>>13975167
Such a coincidence that every pynchon fanboy never has time to explain anything. I suspect you'd fall into repeating the pathetic clichés I previously mentioned and you lot are afraid of being exposed for your superficiality and academia-worship

>>13974312
Those soys image are getting terrifying.
>inb4 modern society collapses and civilization is rebuilt by savages who mistake the onions images for icons and start worshiping the onions monsters as their gods

>>13975122
>>13975180
This is most true of the lingering theories about JFK's murder. I remember reading an article about it, the first observation was that JFK's death is chronologically farther from us than the murder of Archiduke Ferdinand was from JFK's contemporaries. Yet for some people it's still an obsession even though that murder has vastly smaller consequences than fucking WWI.

>>13975180
>the true and good ideological core
I wonder who/what that could be, as the ideologues were often at the epicenter of the degeneracy.

>>13975212
You can of course dismiss the whole conspiracy genre as stupid on the grounds that it is ultimately just fiction. But if you're ok with fiction, I'm not sure you can dismiss the twilight zone and x-files outright. These things can still be very well written and capture huge audiences.

So when you look at pinecone, do you ask "is he a stupid boomer who believes in flat earth with a styyle?" or "Is he any good at this tinfoilhat crazy", when you consider that in and itself as a genre? Compare it to with shit that is on par. Why is Pynchon better than, say, CCRU. As both deal quite intimately with fiction dressed up as speculative quasi-realism.

>>13975293
>But if you're ok with fiction, I'm not sure you can dismiss the twilight zone and x-files outright.
Yes of course. I'm mostly thinking about people who really still obsess over who killed JFK. X-files is based in my opinion but nobody would mistake it for a political analysis.

>when you consider that in and itself as a genre?
I'm not the person you were arguing with, but I personally think the genre can have merit. It's probably hard to pull off, so you're faced with the double issue of staying captivating without becoming a mere "muh conspiracy" meme.

>Why is Pynchon better than, say, CCRU.
I don't know, what is CCRU?

>>13975188
I never said that I did not have time, just that I did not care, nor did I say I was a fanboy, my lack of caring should hint at that.

>>13975318
>I don't know, what is CCRU?
/lit/ meme. http://www.ccru.net/archive/burroughs.htm

>so you're faced with the double issue
It's precisely about flirting with it. That is, come up with the most ridiculous claims you can, while still making the argument "compelling" or at least entertaining. Quality feed for schizophrenics. To draw X-Files parallel, huge part of that show audience were UFO maniacs, truly believing things about Roswell, Area 51 etc.

>>13974218
ask me how i know you've never read anything he's written

>>13975623
Give us your take on Pynchon. Also, I didn't write that, it's from a goodreads review https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2191096453
He has clearly read at least most of what Pynchon has written

>>13975701
He considers Lot 49 the best of Pynchon’s work, which makes me doubt his taste.

But it’s entertaining to read such a contrarian review. I want to see one like this but for Moby-Dick, (my fav novel which I have reread 3 times) just to see if it will bring up any good points.

>>13975701
>Give us your take on Pynchon.
This kills the pynchon posters, folks. Keep an eye out for the poser academe-worshippers who are convinced Pynchon's amazing simply because he's taught at Yale... They always run away after you ask them for their opinion, because they are aware they'll sound like every redditor's praise for postmodernism, parroting shit about "grand narratives" and "signs and signifiers"!

>>13975815
We have just gone down this path enough times to know it is a Slothropian endeavor.

>>13974090
>why
Because he's my Pynch and I love him.

>>13975100
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>>13975815
>if you don't write an original essay in response to the essay I copy pasted I win hahahaaa!

>>13974218
>Like every Boomer
Pynchon is literally not a boomer.

> Benny Profane, Oedipa, and Slothrop, all basically-identical
Oedipa and Slothrop have little in common other than digging for information. Don't remember V. too well but wasn't it Stencil who was the "conspiracy" character, not Profane?

>an excuse for the author not to deal with a real plot or character development.
Pynchon doesn't deal with "real plots" or "real character development," nor does he write about "true Scotsmen".

>Sloppy
GR is a lot of things but sloppy isn't one of them. Maybe you (or the goodreads guy) were expecting "real" structure?

>Freemasons are the most boring people on earth, yet freemasonry—or more precisely, why freemasonry has had such a hold on modern man—is very interesting.
Check out Ishmael Reed. He knows more about it than you will ever find in GR... or so Tom has told me.

>>13974218
>the last men can't be pitiable proles and hold a readers attention
but they can be and they do
>we... readers...
coward

>>13974218
>focuses on early Pynch
Not to discredit his earlier works, but his evolution is one of the more interesting things about him and very much breaks from you claiming he's a 'myopic boomer' where displays a much more sentimental and even spiritually aware side.
Claiming he only has 'aphorisms' about the '60s diminishes his break away from the hippie tradition.

For his unique and stunning emanations of the American psyche.

>>13974090
Who tf is this Chuckie cheese-looking motherfucker? I refuse to believe that Thomas Pynchin looks like this!

>>13974218
based

>>13976190
pynchon is a spiritual boomer, the ur-boomer if you will

>>13974218
This makes me roll my eyes, it’s such a hilariously reactionary interpretation of Pynchon. The author seems like a 2-D soulless neo-conservative, feeling that they’re doing something revolutionary by fierily denouncing “damned leftists” or “ anarchists ... immolating bums, queers, druggies, and freaks.”

It’s such a shallow reading of Pynchon. All the things he doesn’t see in Pynchon, it’s hilarious, but he gets taken in by mere descriptions of or references to 60s counterculture, drugs, and sex, and therefore thinks Pynchon = the Beatles. “But wha-wha- what do you MEAN Pynchon satirizes the Beatles in Crying of Lot 49? What? I thought Pynchon was a hippie? He writes like a fucking hippie! What? What does MK-ULTRA and Operation PAPERCLIP have to do with his works? Pynchon seems to have displayed a prescient knowledge of these two in The Crying of Lot 49 before they even became public knowledge, and follows up on this in Gravity’s Rainbow, suggesting he was either a clairvoyant, had tremendously great research skills, and/or was somehow involved with the CIA?”

>>13976952
are u ok

>>13976952
And again, Mason & Dixon should not be discounted. He's applying his paranoic worldview to Enlightenment rationality and history, it's just plain impressive and required immense talent to write.

>>13976952
>What does MK-ULTRA and Operation PAPERCLIP have to do with his works? Pynchon seems to have displayed a prescient knowledge of these two in The Crying of Lot 49 before they even became public knowledge, and follows up on this in Gravity’s Rainbow, suggesting he was either a clairvoyant, had tremendously great research skills, and/or was somehow involved with the CIA?”
Delete this.

>>13974090
lit should make this its mission
I finally have a purpose

>>13976968
I’m fine, are YOU ok?

Pynchon gets heavily into the history of German Nazi scientists being smuggled into America after WW2 in Gravity’s Rainbow. This is real history, you can read about it. America brought Nazis to exploit their scientific research, particularly on rocket science. Wernher von fuckin Braun, the guy whose quote opens the book, was one of these fellas.

Isn’t it interesting how in The Crying of Lot 49, the Nazi psychiatrist who fled to America, Dr. Hilarius, experiments with giving LSD to patients and Pynchon is writing about this .... both before MK-ULTRA (in which the CIA experimented with giving people LSD to find methods of mind-control) became widely known by the populace, and before LSD culture even became that big? And isn’t it interesting that some “conspiracy theorists” who’ve never even read Pynchon claim there was a connection between Nazi research and MK-ULTRA?

>>13976989
cringe

>>13976952
Go home Steve

>>13976993
Explain or die

>d-dude le pynchmeister knew about uhh uhh fucken cia nazis and lsd and shit!!

why do pynchlets constantly mistake his schizo infodumps for great (or even decent) writing?

>>13976975
>it's just plain impressive and required immense talent to write.
yeah, conspiracy theories aside, this is what I think at base. You can’t really convince someone to like an author if they don’t already. If someone doesn’t see what’s so great about Shakespeare, no explanation will make the artistic magic work for them. Pynchon is just a massively talented and entertaining (in a different way than Stephen King is) writer when he’s at his best.

>>13977027
Not just that, even if you don't like him you must realise that his books contain hundreds of characters, allusions, plot threads, real history, fake history, and either he keeps this all intricately planned on his wall like a madman or (even scarier) keeps it all in his head. He demonstrates great talent and intelligence.

>>13976991
Operation Paperclip was public knowledge in the 60s according to Wikipedia.
>Years later in 1963, Truman recalled that he was not in the least reluctant to approve Paperclip; that because of relations with Russia "this had to be done and was done".

I'm with you on MK-ULTRA tho

>>13977026
Because they actually are well written.

>>13977362
lmao

>>13974218
Ours will be the first generation to collectively reject the very concept of generation and under the same breath use it to diss on an entire group of people that preceded us.

>>13975180
It wasn't their fault either, faggot. In a capitalist system, any sort of believe or way of living will be twisted for the purpose of turning identity into another sort of consumption good. The "Boomer" generation was actually one of the generations that was hit harder with that, since their whole identity revolved around deviating from the norm as much as possible. Too bad that deviantism is capitalism's biggest fuel, and for the next generations their lifestyle would be nothing more than an empty husk from which the system would feed for profit. Wheater it had anything of value to begin with didn't even matter any more.

>>13975815
Even purely aesthetically, Pynchon writes better than Nabokov and almost as inventively as Joyce. He is worth it for that at the least.

>>13976895
Being ugly unironically forces you to be smarter and more introspective. It’s really hard to be handsome and a good writer.

>>13976981
The glowniggers will come for you anon

>>13977576
cope

>>13977515
>In a capitalist system, any sort of believe or way of living will be twisted for the purpose of turning identity into another sort of consumption good
The hippies managed to turn their movement into heroin addiction and stds all on their own, considerably worse than what capitalism did to it.

>>13974090
Dear Thomas,

We are very sorry for manipulating the committee into denying you the Pulitzer back in '74. As a means of apology, please accept the attached Nobel Prize in Literature.

Sincerely,

- "Them"

>>13977707
kek

>>13974090
EUROPEAN STANDARDS ARE U FUCKING KIDDING. WHITE MILK PEOPLE DON'T GO BY THEM

>>13974090
LISTEN TO ME. YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE BEFORE YOU MAKE IT IN YOUR HOMETOWN. AND THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE IS AMERICA.

"For large contribution to the Meme trilogy"

"commit acts of minor surrealism"

Such an amazingly suggestive and vague description. I love Pynchon.

>>13976952
Typical pynchonian cope. There really is only two types of pynchon fanboys: the academe parroting semiotics postmodern jargon and the 4channer /pol/ack who couldn't hope to imitate that so he settles for trying to import Pynchon's famed paranoia into real life itself, so Pynchon himself becomes the protagonist doing the most contrived possible whistleblowing ever, which could never persuade anyone of much due to the style its written it.
The two are also incompatible, which should upset the 4channer wannabe. Since the conspiratorial elements are largely overlooked by the academics that shill him as as more or less fictional, it'd mean almost everyone is mistaken about Pynchon, and thus he's famous for the wrong reasons.

>>13978581
That is actually some fairly well done bait, good job.

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>>13978581
Pynchon’s my favorite writer for sure, because my favorite thing in books is goofs, gags, jokes and rambunctious behavior, and his books are filled to the brim with this. Every novel is like one of those novelty snake cans, you open the book and POP you get a face fulla snakes and you fall back cackling. The mad mind, the crack genius, to do it! And then you think “hmmm what’s he gonna do next, this trickster” and you pick the book back up and BZZZZ you get a shock and “hahahaha” you've been pranked again by the old Pynchmeister, that card. “Did that Pynch?” he sez, laughing “yukyukyukyuk”. Watch him as he shoves a pair of plastic buck teeth right up his mouth and displays em for you – left, right, center – “You like these? Do I look handsome?” Pulls out a mirror. “Ah!” Hand to naughty mouth. And you're on your ass again laughing as he snaps his suspenders, exits stage right, and reappears hauling a huge golden gong

>>13978632
I feel a little embarrassed by the number of (You)s I got in that, but not as embarrassed as I would feel about making such a post.

>>13978631
based retardo
>>13978632
Hardly "best contemporary author" material, sweaty. Guess McCarthy takes the cake? Pynchon can write, sure. What about thematic depth? Great literature combines technical mastery with philosophical depth. And arguably the latter is more important.

>>13978652
>based retardo
See following.
>>13978652
>Hardly "best contemporary author"
You are not even a new fag, you are a first timer. You just seriously responded to one of the most of over used bits of copy pasta of the past few years.

Good job.

>>13976952
>Operation Paperclip...before they even became public knowledge
von Braun was basically a superstar the moment he set foot in America, I seriously doubt this part of your comment.

>>13978660
>You just seriously responded to one of the most of over used bits of copy pasta of the past few years.
I've seen and posted it before. Nothing newfaggy about deciding to use it to make a point about the superficiality of /lit/'s appreciation of Pynchon. Stop coping

>>13978674
>Stop coping
>Coping means to invest one's own conscious effort, to solve personal and interpersonal problems, in order to try to master, minimize or tolerate stress and conflict.[1][2][3][4][5]
yeah, people should stop doing that

>>13978674
>Nothing newfaggy
>Stop coping
Ok, we all believe you.

>>13977707
Sweet.

Real imaginary Nobel award dedication probably centres around his attitude to historical truth, i.e. M&D more than his other work. But realistically he's in competition with every other English-language author as the committee tries to be as international as possible. So any number of people could take his slot next time an Anglo award comes around.

>>13978652
Pynchon is much thematically deeper than McCarthy. You've got it backwards.

>>13978774
Elaborate. Give us your Pynchon take.
>inb4 poster just "doesn't care enough" to do so

>>13974218
lol filtered, I bet you read books solely for the plot lmao

>>13979078
He's much more thorough with this thoughts and research

>>13978774
And his books are loaded with philosophical depth underneath his peerless prose

>>13979137
>this is what pinecucks actually believe

>>13979173
Prove me wrong

>>13974312
Yeah you didn't get it

>>13979250
What is there is to get that I'm missing?
>>13979134 This is the closest we've gotten to an answer. Everything else is vague posturing:
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>>13979269
Do your own homework

>>13976952
went a bit off the rails at the end there m8

>>13978678
>[1][2][3][4][5]
lol, kys

>>13976975
Mason & Dixon and maybe GR are the only really good Pynchon books. The rest is fun but ultimately derivative and vacuous

>>13979326
Compared to those two books sure, but even a bad pynch is miles better than your average great work

We're settling it with this thread /lit/. Will Pynchon remain part of the /lit/ canon? Or is he merely a technical genius, whose books are entertaining but by no means the great american masterpieces that hippie boomers think they are

>>13979337
He's much more than mere technical virtuosity, the full package daddy-O. Also he pretty much predicted 4chan way back in lot 49

>>13976991
Agree 100%. Remember that Pynchon was working for a military industrial contractor (Boeing) just before writing Lot 49, and would have known tons of CIA and PAPERCLIP people, hence the characters Dr. Hilarious, Lyle Bland, Lazlo Jamf, etc.

Little known fact: while at Boeing, Pynchon was a publicist for a project called SAGE, a delocalized computer network and a direct precursor to Arpanet, which eventually became the internet. You can see, then, what WASTE is supposed to be- a communication network owned by the largely authoritarian military/intelligence community used for spying on and manipulating the libertarian countercultural community. Sound familiar?

Remember that if any of you are using that retarded fucking onion browser, the CIA is building a file on you.

>>13979416
Larp harder. Cope harder. Schizo wannabe.

>>13979416
But WASTE was the system used by the counter cultural anarchists?

>>13978581
>the 4channer /pol/ack who couldn't hope to imitate that so he settles for trying to import Pynchon's famed paranoia into real life itself, so Pynchon himself becomes the protagonist doing the most contrived possible whistleblowing ever, which could never persuade anyone of much due to the style its written it.
Pynch wrote for the preterite. 4chan shitposters are the only ones who can truly understand him.

>>13979519
Honey, 4chan shitposters are mostly resentful failed academics. They differ only from the status obsessed in that they failed to get it, but they still have the reverence for status and the academic establishment displayed by the successful pedants in the academy

>>13979310
Just like a Pynchon novel.

>>13979416
>Remember that if any of you are using that retarded fucking onion browser, the CIA is building a file on you.
>yeah man just use chrome haha you'll blend in!
False-flagging CIA detected.

>>13978632
t. Tom
99% confidence

>>13979483
Exactly, but the people who collected the stamps and monitored the goddamn thing were right wingers like Odepa Maas' dead ex boyfriend

>>13980018
Not entirely, those right wingers were particularly anti government and the history of it places it squarely in the hands of the anti establishment

When did you realize Pynchon was just a rich man's Alex Jones and a liberal at heart who probably thinks the election of Donald Trump says a lot about our society? I'm 100% sure he liked Obama the race hustler.

>>13980090
Easy there incel

>>13980097
>At bedtime Ernie used to tell his daughters scary blacklist stories. Some kids had the Seven Dwarfs, Maxine and Brooke had the Hollywood Ten. The trolls and wicked sorcerers and so forth were usually Republicans of the 1950s, toxic with hate, stuck back around 1925 in almost bodily revulsion from anything leftward of “capitalism,” by which they usually meant keeping an increasing pile of money safe from the depredations of the IRS.

So you wonder why there isn't a mention of Democrat scum, there are many others like this. He's clearly committed to fraudulent bipartisan nature of american politics.

>>13980169
Nice cherrypicking lol

>>13980210
Bleeding Edge has a couple of those. Now tell me that it's because that's who Maxine is, that is, tell me how Pynchon is just a GRRM tier hack merely doing some exercise in character development. Which isn't true. He's simply a boomer.

Hasn’t written anything of note

>>13980270
Yeah how dare he say shit about republicans who the fuck does he think he is??

>>13980272
Bruh there's plenty of songs in Gravity's Rainbow

>>13980277
Way to misunderstand. The problem is that shitting on republicans is something a democrat does, usually as a way to signal tribal allegiance. Arguing about which party is worse betrays a total lack of perspective and a commitment to the delusions of the dumbfuck masses. Though if we are to quibble over such details, mainly democrat voters and boomer hippies like Pynchon allowed markets to take over everything previously held to be off-limits or sacred.

>>13980311
He shits on all sides though, you're just butthurt because you have a one dimensional view of politics. Grow up.

>>13980325
Show me

>>13980311
And you clearly didn't understand what he was saying in GR assuming you've even read it. Pls don't tell me you're basing your entire argument about him off of snippets of one of his worst books.

>>13980326
Do your own homework brainlet

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>>13980336
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-watts.html
Thoughts on this article?

>>13974090
Nobel
one chance lit can have an effect

>>13980407
I never said he wasn't left leaning personally, but even Lot49 satirises this sort of tribal mentality you think pynchon is dealing out and you project to cover your lack of understanding

>>13980509
I agree with that but suspect that whenever the chips are down he probably sides with his tribe.

>>13980557
Yeah it's like to think he doesn't turn into a ruthless capitalist when pressed myself. The only sort of fealty to any sort of tribe he professes to is the dispossessed

>>13979553
ah, now I see

>>13980282
lel

>>13974312
Like how people here cream themselves over everything David Foster Wallace has ever written.

>>13981415
What? /lit/ shits on DFW all the time. Which would be a good thing if it weren't just another example of group think

>there was a Pynchon thread

>>13978652
Tell me about McCarthy's philosophical depth.

>>13979323
like, omg, lol

>>13980090
either the first time you made this exact post or never
>>13980169
>what is a character

>>13978581
The point is more that Pynchon isn’t “just a hippie” because he throws in allusions to the 60s, weed, strange sexual practices, and psychedelic drugs. The point is that this is just his veneer, the people criticizing him often can’t even see the genius behind it. I get not enjoying it personally, it’s just a bit immature to go to such lengths to say, “And THAT’S WHY PYNCHON SUCKS!!!!”

Really? I doubt the people writing these fiery excoriations would even have the talent and patience to write something like Gravity’s Rainbow. You can respect something and respect that people actually enjoy it without enjoying it yourself. I don’t care for orchestral music much, but I’m not going to talk about how everyone who enjoys Igor Stravinsky is actually wrong.

>>13974312
t. hack

>>13974312
Has this been refuted yet?

>>13984447
Yes

>>13984663
Cope.

>>13984857
Have you read anything he's wrote? Why would I have to cope with somebody else being too stupid to do more than a surface take?

>>13974312
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HE SPELLED "SAYS" AS "SEZ" AGAIN, AND HE DID IT ON PURPOSE. HOLY CRINGE!

>WHY DO I HATE PYNCHON? HE'S JUST ANOTHER POSTMODERN HACK, HE RELIES THE BREAKDOWN OF GRAND METANARRATIVES INTO SIGNS WHICH I CANNOT COMPREHEND THE MEANING OF, WHICH PROVIDE ME WITH NO ANSWERS, LEAVING ME LOST! AND DEPRESSED! JUST LIKE REAL LIFE!