/lit/ - Literature

>>13939817

dialectical reading of history. example: 9-11

It is about how we learn as a group.
Things have to repeat, or you can't learn from them. So when bad things happen in history they follow the pattern that you try something new and it fails and a bad thing happens, then tragically someone decided to use the bad thing to exploit under cover of them "this time" not making the same mistake, then farcically someone exploits again because there are those in the group that are so stupid as to fall for it even though it has failed twice before.
So history repeats, first repeat is tragedy because the bad thing is counted on for exploitation, second repeat is farce because people "seriously can't be this stupid as to fall for it again!"

>>13939857
Interesting interpretation you got

>>13939817
None, those two redards liked to spew bullshit and laugh at those that listened.

>>13939817
Read 'The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte' and find out.

>>13939862

I like switching narrators to see how the story changes. Too many times people lock themselves into the solipsistic narrator not realizing that our identity comes from a compilation of all the different narrators of all of our stories.

Seeing from the narrative position of the group, and not a member of the group, leads to the kind of analysis that Hegel could not make, speaking as he does from some impossible reality narrator he just assumed that ignores that the subject could not itself make the reality narrator that sees it.

But still, I would bet Marx (assuming the quote was really his and not just borrowed from some cynical friend) would agree, albeit in not such a mechanical frame, choosing instead a moral frame that emphasized the emotion.

>>13939880
Why does it have random pictures under "fascists now"? I want to see who the actual fascists are now because as far as I've seen there aren't really any

>>13939922
Anon...

>>13939933
You have
>an anime avatar advocating helicopter rides, which is a reference to Pinochet (who as we know was not fascist) by someone who's not really a Pinochet supporter at all
>some weird song reference about IQ tests which I don't get but IQ tests are generally something you get from the HBD crowd who are fairly nonideological and really just advocating for less political censorship in academia.
>the candle from beauty and the beast?
>a picture of eliot rodgers?
>some magatard-tier stuff about arguments, and we all know that Trump is clearly not a fascist
>a misdrawn swastika referencing a hate graffiti falseflag which really only works against you
>and a frog used by /b/ to trigger puritanical retards
I don't see anything here that has anything to do with actual fascists

>>13939922
Universalist egalitarian bourgeois technocratic transnational financial capitalist NWO's primary ideological-cultural defense is irony, sarcasm, mockery, etc. because it self-justifies as the absence of ideology and passionate conviction, don't take tryhards seriously they're parochial flyovers who've yet to internalize the end of history

>>13939922
>>13939972
>as far as I've seen there aren't really any

Were there ever? Which questions whether the story of how fascism is supposed to work was not always just a wish and not a plan.

It has always been a wonder to me how the religious could support tyranny, but when you present the illusionary veneer of propaganda in a way that seems like it might work, and couch the objections in sophistry, I guess you can sell almost anything without any evidence of it actually working.

Exploitation is about hiding the win/lose inside the win/win....
So if there hasn’t been any Fascists, how do you know Fascism works?

>>13939880
this is an unwise quote to draw attention to in the era of current leftists

>>13939985
have sex

>>13939996
>Were there ever?
Uh......what? Yes there very clearly were

>>13939985

>>13940029
>phone poster is also a retard

>>13940023


....and they clearly failed!! So why are you supporting trying them again?

...this is the farce. We'll be here all week. Try the veal....

>>13940041
I don't know what you're trying to say you sperg but your picture is silly. Fascism was a movement localized to the 20th century, you don't get fascists without trenches and there are no trenches in the 21st century.

>>13940049

My picture is not silly; It was spot on. You are just too ignorant to get the reference. Go back to pol and play with your toy blocks.

>>13940041
they didnt fail though, they were stopped by outside forces. if the US went fascist it would be rather different

>>13940078

..omfg....

"I didn't fail at flying off this building. I was stopped by the outside force of gravity."

At what point does your own stupidity either wake you up or kill you?

>>13940084
Germany and Italy could not have fought off the Allies regardless of their political system, which worked fine within their countries.

>>13939972
That's the point you fucking retard. The image compares and contrasts actual fascists with retarded MAGAshitters, LARPers and internet freaks who won't shut up about "muh IQ" who inherited the mantle of the Far Right. The former are the tragedy while the latter are the farce.

>>13939817
It's merely an application of Hegels triad: thesis-antithesis-synthesis. First(thesis)a proposition is made, second(antithesis) it's conclusion doesn't work out(tragedy) third this action is understood as such(synthesis) and is dishonestly proposed again for greedy purposes (farce). Now I am sure you see how this is encompassed and understood in hegels three categories: firstness secondness and thirdness. It clearly demonstrates the dialectical materialists denial of firstness (marx disagrees with hegel about matter being effete mind) and the poor grasp that hegel had on continuity when his beautiful brain farted out dialectics, perhaps the most profound brainfart ever written.

>>13940091

Then why did they have to invade other countries? If fascism worked, then no one would have cared. But it did not work and required the invasion of others to distract from its failure, which is why it was stamped out..

... See...This is the farce. How can people be so gullible as to fall for the same exploitation over and over again. Marx wrote of Capitalism and why over and over again do people continue to fall for the exploitation.

The answer is that there are those within a group that simply cannot ever learn from the mistakes of others.

>>13940120
They invaded other countries precisely because they could, because their system did work. Do you think invading countries is easy?

>>13939865
>redards

Pottery.

>>13940126

I'm sorry. You have mistaken my responses as actually caring about what you think. I don't argue with Flat Earthers or Evangelicals that come to my door or any other professional deniers.

Enjoy your weird life, anon. I am going to go watch porn.

>>13939880

>>13940141
this post is so perfect I almost think this is a false flagging /pol/ack

>>13939880
More like nazism/communism then, then progressivism/liberalism now.

>>13940146
Seething.

>>13940146
Honestly it's even worse than that, the right side of the image is missing the endless bickering about pronouns and otherkins and kill whitey. Not saying all commies think like that, but the most extreme (the ones that stand out the most) do.

>>13939817
Is it a boy or a girl? Looks cute. Do you have more pics?

>>13939817
>>13940183
For a moment I thought that it's Milo Yannopaulis after MtF transition.

>>13940157
What do you mean anon? I gotta agree with Marx on this one

>>13939817
tragedy: napoleon
farce: napoleon iii

>>13940033
>retard
It's 'redard', anon.

>>13940183

>>13940059
No, your picture is stupid. If I'm from /pol/ how would I not get your stupid references you dumb nigger? Fascists don't exist as anything more than a boogeyman for retards like you, when someone points this out all you can do is call me a fascist too, making my point for me.

>>13940113
But none of those things you listed are fascists. You're comparing apples and oranges and saying "SEE LOOK ORANGES AREN'T ACTUALLY APPLES!" No fucking shit these people aren't fascists, fascists don't exist anymore in any meaningful way.

>>13940389
>Tennessee native, Sally Zabava is currently studying astrobiology and space travel at Texas State University. Through her work, Sally hopes to bring science to the masses.

>What's that book about Anon?
>Oh I see. . .that's interesting I guess
>Want to go look at meteor showers tonight?

>>13939817
It's literally the first paragraph of the 18th Brumaire

>>13939817
who is this 4/10

Baudrillard explains this well in "The Consumer Society".
Farce is
>caricatural resurrection of legendary reference
>the exaltation of signs on the basis of a denial of the real
Examples he gives are gas fireplaces in modern houses made to look like realistic wood fires and designated natural parks preserved as wilderness is developed.

Real wood fireplaces, the use of which involved the strenuous effort of chopping wood out of genuine need for their warmth to survive; and the wilderness, a journey into which used to be a matter of life and death, were "the real" to Baudrillard.

Once these harsh 'realities' have been conquered, made obsolete, are they allowed to come back as 'farce', neutered throwbacks ready for safe mass consumption.

As >>13939880's image implies - do you think the System would allow /pol/tards to roleplay Nazis if there was even the slightest chance that fascism today posed a legitimate threat to the established order? Even just a couple decades after WW2, Sid Vicious could get away with pic related because everyone knew the nazis had been definitively BTFO.

>>13939817
Damn, she is so cute. Books for this feel?
>>13941362
>mfw

>>13941673
I agree with Baudrillard there, but what happens when people don’t see the farce as neutered and perceive it as the real?

It would seem to me then that group would be entirely unprepared for an encounter with the actual real i.e. if a tourist went to a national park and thought that the softened, safer version was all there was to nature, a defanged nature so to speak.

But I suppose Baudrillard argues that there is no real anything anymore, and more and more I believe him

>>13942148
>what happens when people don’t see the farce as neutered and perceive it as the real
At this point, we are in the Matrix

>>13939817
Bush was the tragedy
Trump is the farce

>>13939817
I see this picture, bust, and feel sorry. That is tragedy,
I bust again and shit myself. That is farce.

>>>/r/eddit

>>13939817
GIB BOY GF

>>13940113
Literally gas yourself. I'm a Jew btw ;)

>>13940410
fuck off you obtuse fucking cunt

>>13941362
Imagine kissing her under stars

>>13940146
My God who the fuck made this cursed image of stirner

>>13944037

>>13939817
Most people take it to mean that anything that is repeated is silly and will fail. This is not true. What it means is that people who try to recreate and parody the past in the present make a mockery of themselves and are blinded to the reality of their situation. You can't just take the past and replay it, you need to make something new that is rooted in the present.

>>13940146
Well this is true. People who try to act like Lenin and Stalin and parade around in Soviet military uniforms are just as in error as the fascists who idolize Hitler. The Soviet Union was a triumph and a high point of human achievement, but its gone now. Communists who run around thinking socialism in their country will look like and be like the soviet union with all its symbols and aesthetics are making a fool of themselves. Socialism has to adapted to the material conditions of your society, you can't just take the USSR or Maoist China and copy-paste onto your nation.

>>13944399
>The Soviet Union was a triumph and a high point of human achievement

>>13944399
>The Soviet Union was a triumph and a high point of human achievement

>>13942148
>but what happens when people don’t see the farce as neutered and perceive it as the real?
Nothing, it’s still a farce.
>But I suppose Baudrillard argues that there is no real anything anymore
This is true, except when the point that the real has become so dominantly a farce, that the fervent superimposes itself and becomes the real. For the most part, this has already occurred in many major city centers.

>>13944399
>The Soviet Union was a triumph and a high point of human achievement
I have no image thats cringey enough for this statement

>>13940389
is that fucking david pakman?!

>>13941673
>Even just a couple decades after WW2, Sid Vicious could get away with pic related because everyone knew the nazis had been definitively BTFO.
Svastikas and stuff are still outlawed in Germany today tho

>>13944421
>>13944495
>>13944983
Literally first time we have sent a satellite into space

It refers to how the Greeks made their plays as tragedies and later redid them into comedy

>>13944117
>if you care about being right instead of spreading nonsense propaganda you're obtuse
lad...

>>13945685
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>>13943167
Reagan was the tragedy
Bush was the farce