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This thread is for the discussion of texts related to Hermetism, Neoplatonism (in its mystic manifestations), Gnosticism, Kabbalah, Cabala, Angel Magic, Alchemy, Paracelsianism, Boehmeian Theosophy, Rosicrucianism, Freemasonry, Illuminism, Swedenborgianism, Mesmerism, as well as the more recent branches of the esoteric tree (Golden Dawn, Traditionalism, Blavatskian Theosophy, e.t.c.).

Recommend books, ask for recommendations, post nice excerpts, ask burning questions, e.t.c.

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Recommended Reading List [WIP]:

>Hermetism
Corpus Hermetica -- Copenhaver
Hermetica II -- Litwa
The Egyptian Hermes -- Fowden
The Eternal Hermes -- Faivre
Thrice-Greatest Hermes -- Mead
>Neoplatonism (in its mystic manifestations)
The Shape of Ancient Thought -- McEvilley
Ancient Philosophy, Mystery, and Magic -- Kingsley
The First Philosophers -- Waterfield
The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library -- Guthrie
Complete Works -- Plato
Complete Works -- Aristotle
Enneads -- Plotinus
Elements of Theology -- Proclus
De mysteriis -- Iamblichus
Commentary on the Dream of Scipio -- Macrobius
Chaldean Oracles - Majercik
The Orphic Hymns -- Athanassakis
Theurgy and the Soul -- Shaw
Philosophy and Theurgy in Late Antiquity -- Uzdavinys
Philosophy as a Rite of Rebirth -- Uzdavinys
Orpheus and the Roots of Platonism -- Uzdavinys
>Occult Philosophy:
Western Esotericism: A Guide for the Perplexed -- Hanegraaf
Secret Teaching of All Ages -- Hall
Three Books of Occult Philosophy -- Agrippa
Transcendental Magic -- Levi
History of Magic -- Levi
Occult Traditions -- Cheak
Prometheus and Atlas -- Jorjani
>Gnosticism
Seven Sermons to the Dead -- Jung
Nag hammadi library
The Gnostic World
>Kabbalah
Inner Space -- Kaplan
Jewish Meditation -- Kaplan
Meditation and Kabbalah -- Kaplan
Sefer Yetzirah
Bahir
Zohar
Etz Chayim
>Cabala
Platonic Theology -- Ficino
Nova de Universis Philosophia -- Patrizi
900 Theses -- Mirandola
Oedipus Aegyptiacus -- Kircher
>Angel Magic:
Five Books of Magic -- John Dee
>Grimoire tradition
Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian(/Solomonic) Magic -- Skinner
Encyclopedia Goetica -- Stratton-Kent
PGM -- Betz
>Alchemy:
Psychology and Alchemy -- Jung
The Hermetic Tradition -- Evola
Alchemical Traditions -- Cheak
Mysteries of the Cathedrals
Dwellings of the Philosophers
Book of the Composition of Alchemy
Turba Philosophorum
>Astrology:
Tetrabiblos -- Ptolemy
>Tarot:
Way of the Tarot -- Jodorowski
Meditations on the Tarot -- Tomberg
>Paracelsianism:
The Alchemical Writings of Paracelsus
>Boehmeian Theosophy:
Aurora -- Boehme
>Rosicrucianism:
The Rosicrucian Enlightenment -- Yates
Rosicrucian Trilogy -- Godwin
>Freemasonry:
Morals and Dogma of etc... -- Pike
>Illuminism:
The Secret School of Wisdom -- Wages
>Swedenborgianism:
Heaven and Hell -- Swedenborg
>Blavatskian Theosophy:
Isis Unveiled -- Blavatsky
The Secret Doctrine -- Blavatsky
The Mystic Qabalah -- Fortune
>Golden Dawn:
The Golden Dawn -- Regardie
>Thelema:
Magick: Book 4, Liber ABA -- Crowley
>Typhonian:
The Magickal Revival -- Grant
The Nightside of Eden -- Grant
>Traditionalism:
The Crisis of the Modern World -- Guenon
The Reign of Quantity and Sign of Times -- Guenon

>> No.13928084

>>13928046
Great list! Maybe add Picatrix to grimoires?

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>>13928084
Good suggestion. Possibly a shamanism and religious studies section would be nice too.

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"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

>> No.13928173

>>13928046
Should add Von Franz to alchemy, she did it better than Jung
Amazing list btw

Doe Zoroastrianism get a share in /esog/?

>> No.13928180

>>13928161
>>13925963
>>13925965
>>13922722
>>13915911
>>13915911

>> No.13928212

>>13928027
>Paracelsianism, Boehmeian Theosophy, Rosicrucianism, Freemasonry, Illuminism, Swedenborgianism, Mesmerism, as well as the more recent branches of the esoteric tree (Golden Dawn, Traditionalism, Blavatskian Theosophy, e.t.c.).
Absolute garbage.

>> No.13928225

>>13928173
I like von Franz too. Definitely useful to supplement Jung.

Thanks!

I'm not too familiar with Zoroatrianism. Any reccs? Unfortunately, I think the recommendation list is nearing the end of the line limit and I tried to focus on western stuff...

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>>13928161

>> No.13928261

>>13928225
Zend-Avestas

>> No.13928281

Updated Recommended Reading List [WIP] (I think we're outta lines edition...)

>Hermetism:
Corpus Hermetica -- Copenhaver
Hermetica II -- Litwa
The Egyptian Hermes -- Fowden
The Eternal Hermes -- Faivre
>Neoplatonism (in its mystic manifestations)
The Shape of Ancient Thought -- McEvilley
Ancient Philosophy, Mystery, and Magic -- Kingsley
The First Philosophers -- Waterfield
The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library -- Guthrie
Complete Works -- Plato
Complete Works -- Aristotle
Enneads -- Plotinus
Elements of Theology -- Proclus
De mysteriis -- Iamblichus
Commentary on the Dream of Scipio -- Macrobius
Chaldean Oracles - Majercik
The Orphic Hymns -- Athanassakis
Theurgy and the Soul -- Shaw
Philosophy and Theurgy in Late Antiquity -- Uzdavinys
Philosophy as a Rite of Rebirth -- Uzdavinys
Orpheus and the Roots of Platonism -- Uzdavinys
>Occult Philosophy:
Western Esotericism: A Guide for the Perplexed -- Hanegraaf
Three Books of Occult Philosophy -- Agrippa
Transcendental Magic -- Levi
History of Magic -- Levi
Occult Traditions -- Cheak
>Gnosticism
Seven Sermons to the Dead -- Jung
Nag hammadi library
The Gnostic World
>Kabbalah
Inner Space -- Kaplan
Jewish Meditation -- Kaplan
Meditation and Kabbalah -- Kaplan
Sefer Yetzirah
Bahir
Zohar
Etz Chayim
>Cabala
Platonic Theology -- Ficino
Nova de Universis Philosophia -- Patrizi
900 Theses -- Mirandola
Oedipus Aegypticus -- Kircher
>Angel Magic:
Five Books of Magic -- John Dee
>Grimoire tradition:
Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian(/Solomonic) Magic -- Skinner
Encyclopedia Goetica -- Stratton-Kent
PGM -- Betz
Picatrix
>Alchemy:
The Forge and the Crucible -- Eliade
Psychology and Alchemy -- Jung
The Hermetic Tradition -- Evola
Alchemical Traditions -- Cheak
Mysteries of the Cathedrals
Dwellings of the Philosophers
Book of the Composition of Alchemy
Turba Philosophorum
>Astrology:
Tetrabiblos -- Ptolemy
>Tarot:
Way of the Tarot -- Jodorowski
Meditations on the Tarot -- Tomberg
>Paracelsianism:
The Alchemical Writings of Paracelsus
>Boehmeian Theosophy:
Aurora -- Boehme
>Rosicrucianism:
The Rosicrucian Enlightenment -- Yates
Rosicrucian Trilogy -- Godwin
>Freemasonry:
Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry -- Pike
>Illuminism:
The Secret School of Wisdom -- Wages
>Swedenborgianism:
Heaven and Hell -- Swedenborg
>Blavatskian Theosophy:
Isis Unveiled -- Blavatsky
The Secret Doctrine -- Blavatsky
The Mystic Qabalah -- Fortune
>Golden Dawn:
The Golden Dawn -- Regardie
>Thelema:
Magick: Book 4, Liber ABA -- Crowley
>Typhonian:
The Magickal Revival -- Grant
The Nightside of Eden -- Grant
>Traditionalism:
The Crisis of the Modern World -- Guenon
The Reign of Quantity and Sign of Times -- Guenon
>Religious Studies:
Sacred and Profane -- Eliade
Elementary Forms of Religious Life -- Durkheim
>Shamanism:
Shamanism -- Eliade

>> No.13928283

>>13928261
Any good English translations? Care to share why you like them?

>> No.13928290

>>13928281
>(I think we're outta lines
pastebin that shit

>> No.13928311

>>13928161
MUH SATAN
MUH EBUL
grow up faggot

>> No.13928312

>>13928283
There are only one or two translations of the Avestas in full with the most modern translation being from the late 19th century. I don't think it matters all that much which one you pick. There are several translations of the Gathas which are considered to be the core part of the Avestas. I haven't read many translations on the Gathas to give you an informed answer.

>> No.13928329

>>13928290
Good idea. I think we should attempt to keep the list to high standards however. Too much nonsense has been written on the occult. This is, after all, a literature board and only the most literary esoteric philosophy will do.

>> No.13928360

Add Initiation into Hermetics by Franz Bardon?

>> No.13928405

>>13928360
A most curious work. I was rather turned off by the discussion of magnetism and other ill-conceived ideas at the beginning. The exercises that I did do were interesting, however. I cannot imagine anyone finishing the book and exercises. But maybe I am naive. Alas it does not fit into any preconceived category in the list. Not true (historical) hermeticism, I would say.

How are your experiences with it so far?

Maybe we could add it to the Occult Philosophy as well as Evola's Intro to Magic too. I like that one quite a bit.

I am surprised no one has complained for lack of Gurdjeffs and Krishnamurtis. I don't care for them but some people are big fans...

>> No.13928437

>>13928312
Very cool. Ya. I am into the pie thing. Studying Greek and Latin. Want to start Hebrew and Sanskrit eventually. Apparently there is a huge three volume critical scholarly Rig Veda just came out. I'll add it to my books to buy when rich beside the Thomas Taylor Collection by Prometheus Trust...

Might go with just gathas for Zoroaster. Not many good editions of everything it seems.

>> No.13928496

>>13928405
> I cannot imagine anyone finishing the book and exercises

Too true. I usually don't have the time or concentration to make it past the 4th or 5th steps. I feel like if I had all day to practice I could, but work, family, etc.

Having worked with electronics like radar and radios, and beginning Qigong practice, I really like the idea of biomagnetism and the electric / magnetic descriptions. The most beneficial parts are really just the first three lessons, making the Black and White soul mirrors, concentrating on images to build focus, and practicing thought control and discipline.

So maybe it doesn't belong in the list, but I still revisit it weekly, sometimes daily.

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>>13928212
/thread

>> No.13928605

>>13928496
Maybe I should revisit. I think my copy was lost in my great schizo-occult purge. It was highly inspiring at the same time tho lol. I do feel now that there is value in keeping your occult interests and ideas hidden but the beauty of online is anonymity and free discourse.

>> No.13928632

>>13928281
Good list; I recommend adding Leadbearer's book on Freemasonry

>> No.13928637

They can't really be esoteric if /lit/ knows about them

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>>13928637
that's not what esoteric means
even if it did it's not the names of books that are esoteric bu their content
and a book being known by all means nothing if the all don't read it or understand it

the south pole is esoteric
The Dark Side of the Moon is esoteric

>> No.13928676

>>13928637
It was esoteric when we had christians in charge because it contradicts their faith and it's esoteric now because scientist cannot risk human spirituality to threaten their house of cards. So it's available but hard to find and a lot of disinfo and misinfo aside from the good info. Much has been lost, much has been preserved, much has been particular, much has been universal.

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>>13928437
Ooooh. I love this scholar!

>> No.13928738

>>13928605
I still use the soul mirror almost daily, thought discipline practices, pore breathing, and loading objects with quintessence to draw upon later. It's the foundation of my magical practice. I can't talk about it to anyone though, whenever I bring it up to my friends they think I'm trying to start a cult, so yeah, there's good reason to keep stuff like that to yourself.

I like how it brings together aspects of hatha yoga, the five elements, and just plain old perennial wisdom, like the benefits of keeping a journal, daily exercise of the body and posture control, mindfulness, etc.

Whenever I'm emotionally off-center, mad, sad, whatever, I visualize a circle divided into the four elements, and brighten the element that represents how I feel, from darker (negative) to lighter (positive). It balances me right out and I'm clearheaded afterwards. I haven't done the clairvoyance practice or the other higher level stuff like making elementals, but I'm not real interested in that anyway.

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>>13928738

Forgot to post pic related. Looks kinda like this.

>> No.13929032

The esoteric is a gateway to demonic possession. Like Socrates :^)

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I started practicing the Qabalistic Cross and the LBRP during the last few days. I experienced vague bodily sensations and most noticeably memories of traumatic experiences coming up again and a deep feeling of emptiness, intense anger and hopelessness. This reminds me of what happened when I tried Kundalini yoga when I was India, and the teacher explained that this is some sort of a cleansing when negative content is surfacing and equanimity follows (which was the case). I'm still working on these issues obviously, but is it something usual in the beggining of the practice, or am I better attempting it once I have things more figured out?

>> No.13929692

>>13929032
Socrates’ demon was a force of activity, not a little red boi floating around poking people with a farmer’s fork

>> No.13929719

>>13929586
I think, generally yes, though there are rare cases of intense psychological experiences causing psychosis. If you are past the age for psychosis development and make sure to maintain the mundane then I would imagine you have little to worry about.

>> No.13929854

>>13929586
Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body, by Bruce Frantzis. It's Qigong and Neigong, helps dissolve emotional blockages as well as improve your physical vitality.

>> No.13930120

what's the esoteric meaning of trannies?

>> No.13930195

>>13930120
Demons. Failure of the logistikon over the epithymetikon and thymoeides. Kantian heteronomy.

>> No.13930497

>>13930120
Materialists and occult literalists who think they can become the primordial androgynous man by physical means and mutilate their bodies as a result.

>> No.13931400

bump

>> No.13931764

>>13930120
They're like christians that tried to imitate christ by nailing their hands and feet to some big ole planks

>> No.13932073

>>13929032
Bere come the christlet preaching his poison

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>ywn be inducted into the Eleusinian Mysteries

>> No.13932102

>>13928505
>>13928212
Very constructive :^)

>> No.13932114

>>13929032
You're confusing daemon with demon.

>> No.13932118

Imagine wasting your time reading this shit

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>>13932118
wtf I hate esotericism now

>> No.13932431

>>13929032
Socrates HGA can't be considered a daemon since a daemon isn't a demon. Also, the communion between socrates and his HGA can't be considered posession.

>> No.13932432

>>13932431
I meant to say demon instead of daemon

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>>13932087
>ywn be initiated in the Cheops pyramid
feels bad man

>> No.13932525

What text should I read to get a bigger dick

>> No.13932579

>>13932525
the bible

>> No.13932609

>>13928281
Add Magick Without Tears by Crowley to Thelema, and the best part of Book 4 is Part III, which you can get separately

>> No.13932630

>>13932525
Liber Samekh. It's a ritual that literally turns you into a giant penis.

>> No.13932657

>>13932118
What do you spend your time doing Anon?

>> No.13933041

>>13932432
its ok, anon. we're all retarded here.

>> No.13933151

>>13930497
how are they materialists if they're following some inclinations of their minds

>> No.13933223

>>13930120
Body, mind and spirit. The first two are outta sync.

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>>13928027
thoughts on pic related?

>> No.13933343

isn't jewish estoricism supposed to be materialistic? why is it considered sinister?

>> No.13933455

>still reading ''''esoteric''' books
>not communicating with spirits to gain knowledge that can't be acquired on the physical plane
Explain yourselves.

>> No.13933726

>>13932525
AOS claims to have done just such a spell in Zos Speaks

>> No.13933737

>>13933337
Basic and outdated but decent

>> No.13933742

>>13933343
It's not. It's called sinister due to antisemitism.

>> No.13933789

>>13933455
Por que no los dos?

>> No.13933793

>>13928027
Can someone explain how esoterics are different from philosophy?

>> No.13933801

Anyone read Theatrum Chemicum Britannicum? It was pretty cool imo. It's a collection of English writings on alchemy and hermeticism from the 1650s. Once you get used to the outdated writing style and letters (it isn't that hard and it's pretty fun to puzzle out) you can read it with relative ease.

>> No.13933819

>>13933793
Western esotericism, for Hanegraaf, is those philosophies placed in the dustbin of history for not conforming to the dominant ideologies of western culture. Basically, >>13928676 and >>13928664

>> No.13934031

>>13933789
This is an American speaking board, Joao

>> No.13934055

>>13932432
>>13932431
>>13932114
>>13929692
>>>/r/woosh

>> No.13934114

>>13933801
Sounds cool. Send pics.

>> No.13934185

>>13933801
I ordered the Basilian Aphorisms part of it by Rubedo Press and am expecting it to arrive in 1-2 weeks. I'll let you know how good Mannucci and Cheak's translation and commentary are after reading it.

>> No.13934219

>>13934185
I want to read that and Hermetic Recreations but I am broke and have too many books on my backlist already :(

>> No.13934258

>>13934219
Oh well. I'm also wondering when the new edition of Alchemical Traditions will be published. The book is slated for 2019, but it's looking like the date is just a placeholder and the book won't be released this year.

>> No.13934259 [DELETED] 

>>13928027
Scizo

>> No.13934278

>>13934258
I got alchemical traditions when it first came out. Very good. Much like occult traditions but many times longer. Turned me onto Uzdavinys who I now adore.

>> No.13934285

>>13934259
*schizo

>> No.13934400

>>13929032
>the daimon is a demon
>he still hasn't realised that it was the Spirit that Socrates heard

>> No.13935511

>>13934400
Where is the Spirit today?

>> No.13935527

>>13928046
Nice list, but Giordano Bruno is missing

>> No.13935538

>>13934259
Brainlet

>> No.13935576

>>13934031
>American
>American

Fucking cumskins, always so retarded

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>>13935576
>American
>cumskins
Choose one

>> No.13935607

I am a bit confused on why this thread is not on /x/ though. This board is filled with fedora atheists and muh CHRUSTEEN FAETHH idiots alike


Also I am currently re-reading the Tree of Life by Israel Regardie, till this day my favorite occult book.

>> No.13935616

>>13935576
soiskins > shitskins

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>>13935607
Christianity goes hand in hand with Hermetic knowledge. They're just two sides of the same thing. The Renaissance men taught you nothing? Or are you such an empty edgelord fedora that you can't even see such an obvious fact with your own eyes?

>> No.13935652

>>13935642
>Christianity goes hand in hand with Hermetic knowledge

Simply because some writers decided to give it a christian rationale to their books does not mean it's christian, just because christcucks stole many principles from Hermeticism, does not mean they're hermeticists.

>> No.13935656

>>13935652
You're too stupid to get into Hermeticism.

>> No.13935734 [DELETED] 

>>13928027
I don't see Pico della Mirandola.

Also Crowley was a retard.

>> No.13935739 [DELETED] 

>>13928046
I don't see Pico della Mirandola.

Also Crowley was a retard.

>> No.13935752

test

>> No.13935805

>>13935607
>am a bit confused on why this thread is not on /x/ though.
Because otherwise you keep getting the same basic bitch occultist recommendations like >>13935527 and the Kybalion.

>> No.13936310

>>13935656
Hermeticism is previous to christcuckery it was set by the egyptians, christcucks just added principles from it because they're peasants.

>> No.13937007

>>13935805
The occult and magic general on /x/ is actually pretty good. There's a huge mega library of books in the op

>> No.13937650

>>13934055
>woosh
>>>/reddit/

>> No.13938252

>>13935805
>basic bitch occultist recommendations
Are you retarded? Giordano Bruno is one of the greatest philosophers of the entire Renaissance era, and the occult elements in his writings are numerous and complex.

>> No.13938379

>>13933337
Great intro.

>> No.13938876

>>13935805
>>13938252
Word. Bruno and Kybalion do not belong in same category. His writings on magic are quite good tho I was less impressed with the expulsion of the triumphant beast and shadows of ideas.

>> No.13938949

>>13938876
Both Kybalion and Bruno are Hermeticism so they are the same category.

>> No.13938957

>>13938949
Kybalion is theosophical society influenced proto new age new thought neo-hermeticism. Bruno is a hermetic renaissance christian heretic.

>> No.13938961

>>13938957
Still Hermeticism. Doesn't matter what era they belong to.

>> No.13939005

>>13938961
Classification is a useful tool.

>> No.13939009

>>13939005
Kybalion and Bruno are both Hermeticist literature, blanket statement, the end.

>> No.13939014

>>13937007
Ape kinda forced the threads to be too thelemic IMO.

>> No.13939083

>>13939009
Kybalion and Bruno both operate within a hermetic tradition although nevertheless distinct and different from each other in time, place, and content and distinguished from traditional hermeticism as well in the same ways.

>> No.13939279

Can I get a bogpill on voodoo mysticism

>> No.13939328

>>13938252
My bad. I thought you meant the guy who wrote Initiation into Hermetics.

>> No.13939500

>>13939328
Bardon is similar to Kybalion indeed

>> No.13939508

>>13939279
It's shamanic and initiatic so not much good info. Kinda have to be in the culture and stuff. Better off looking at anthropology than esoteric philosophy. There's one crazy man named Bertiaux selling his own brand on the internet that is mixed with ceremonial magic. He seems to possess many of the worst excesses of Grant, however.

>> No.13939746 [DELETED] 

>>13928437
>>13928721
The Gathas is the only part of the Zend-Avesta which goes back to Zarathustra during ~1000-1500 BCE. I prefer Mary Boyce and Piloo Nanavutty's translations of the Gathas. Mary Boyce has a partial, but very good, translation of the Gathas in "Textual Sources for the Study of Zoroastrianism". Piloo Nanavutty did a full translation, but some of the interpretations are based on Parsi orthodoxy. I think the Gathas is more complex in its implications than what a lot of Parsi say:
https://www.amazon.com/Textual-Sources-Study-Zoroastrianism-Religion/dp/0226069303/
https://www.amazon.com/Gathas-Zarathushtra-Hymns-Praise-Wisdom/dp/1890206091/
The Gathas was written in an ancient language called "Old Avestan". It's very difficult to learn.

>> No.13939990

>>13935607
Regardie is comfy. The Middle Pillar is a great intro to ceremonial magic

>> No.13940052

>>13935607
Is Tree of Life necessary or does it cover the same material as Garden of Pomegranates?

>> No.13940119 [DELETED] 

Recommended Reading List (FINAL EDITION):
>Hermeticism:
Corpus Hermetica -- Copenhaver
Hermetica II -- Litwa
The Egyptian Hermes -- Fowden
The Eternal Hermes -- Faivre
>Neoplatonism (in its mystic manifestations)
The Shape of Ancient Thought -- McEvilley
Ancient Philosophy, Mystery, and Magic -- Kingsley
The First Philosophers -- Waterfield
The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library -- Guthrie
Complete Works -- Plato
Complete Works -- Aristotle
Enneads -- Plotinus
Elements of Theology -- Proclus
De mysteriis -- Iamblichus
Commentary on the Dream of Scipio -- Macrobius
Chaldean Oracles - Majercik
The Orphic Hymns -- Athanassakis
Hesiod and the Homeric Hymns -- Hine
Theurgy and the Soul -- Shaw
Philosophy and Theurgy in Late Antiquity -- Uzdavinys
Philosophy as a Rite of Rebirth -- Uzdavinys
Orpheus and the Roots of Platonism -- Uzdavinys
>Occult Philosophy:
Western Esotericism: A Guide for the Perplexed -- Hanegraaf
Three Books of Occult Philosophy -- Agrippa
Cause, Principle, and Unity: and Essays on Magic -- Bruno
Transcendental Magic: Doctrine and Ritual -- Levi
Introduction(s) to Magic -- Evola
Occult Traditions -- Cheak
>Gnosticism
Seven Sermons to the Dead -- Jung
The Gnostic Bible
The Gnostic World
The Bible
>Kabbalah
Inner Space -- Kaplan
Jewish Meditation -- Kaplan
Meditation and Kabbalah -- Kaplan
Sefer Yetzirah
Bahir
Zohar
Etz Chayim
>Cabala
Platonic Theology -- Ficino
Oration on the Dignity of Man -- Mirandola
>Angel Magic:
Five Books of Magic -- John Dee
>Grimoire tradition:
Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian(/Solomonic) Magic -- Skinner
Encyclopedia Goetica -- Stratton-Kent
PGM -- Betz
Picatrix
>Alchemy:
Alchemy and Mysticism -- Taschen
Psychology and Alchemy -- Jung
The Hermetic Tradition -- Evola
The Forge and the Crucible -- Eliade
Alchemical Traditions -- Cheak
Mysteries of the Cathedrals
Dwellings of the Philosophers
Turba Philosophorum
>Astrology:
Tetrabiblos -- Ptolemy
>Tarot:
Way of the Tarot -- Jodorowski
Meditations on the Tarot -- Tomberg
>Paracelsianism:
The Alchemical Writings of Paracelsus
>Boehmeian Theosophy:
Aurora -- Boehme
>Rosicrucianism:
The Rosicrucian Enlightenment -- Yates
Rosicrucian Trilogy -- Godwin
>Freemasonry:
Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry -- Pike
>Illuminism:
The Secret School of Wisdom -- Wages
>Swedenborgianism:
Heaven and Hell -- Swedenborg
>Blavatskian Theosophy:
Isis Unveiled -- Blavatsky
The Secret Doctrine -- Blavatsky
The Mystic Qabalah -- Fortune
>Golden Dawn:
The Golden Dawn -- Regardie
>Thelema:
Magick: Book 4, Liber ABA -- Crowley
>Typhonian:
The Magickal Revival -- Grant
The Nightside of Eden -- Grant
>Traditionalism:
The Crisis of the Modern World -- Guenon
The Reign of Quantity and Sign of Times -- Guenon
>Religious Studies:
Sacred and Profane -- Eliade
Elementary Forms of Religious Life -- Durkheim
>Shamanism:
Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy -- Eliade

>> No.13940158

Recommended Reading List (FINAL EDITION):

>Hermeticism:
Corpus Hermetica -- Copenhaver
Hermetica II -- Litwa
The Egyptian Hermes -- Fowden
The Eternal Hermes -- Faivre
>Neoplatonism (in its mystic manifestations)
The Shape of Ancient Thought -- McEvilley
Ancient Philosophy, Mystery, and Magic -- Kingsley
The First Philosophers -- Waterfield
The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library -- Guthrie
Complete Works -- Plato
Complete Works -- Aristotle
Enneads -- Plotinus
Elements of Theology -- Proclus
De mysteriis -- Iamblichus
Commentary on the Dream of Scipio -- Macrobius
Chaldean Oracles - Majercik
The Orphic Hymns -- Athanassakis
Hesiod and the Homeric Hymns -- Hine
Theurgy and the Soul -- Shaw
Philosophy and Theurgy in Late Antiquity -- Uzdavinys
Philosophy as a Rite of Rebirth -- Uzdavinys
Orpheus and the Roots of Platonism -- Uzdavinys
>Occult Philosophy:
Western Esotericism: A Guide for the Perplexed -- Hanegraaf
Three Books of Occult Philosophy -- Agrippa
Cause, Principle, and Unity: and Essays on Magic -- Bruno
Transcendental Magic: Doctrine and Ritual -- Levi
Introduction(s) to Magic -- Evola
Occult Traditions -- Cheak
>Gnosticism
Seven Sermons to the Dead -- Jung
The Gnostic Bible
The Gnostic World
The Bible
>Kabbalah
Inner Space -- Kaplan
Jewish Meditation -- Kaplan
Meditation and Kabbalah -- Kaplan
Sefer Yetzirah
Bahir
Zohar
Etz Chayim
>Cabala
Platonic Theology -- Ficino
Oration on the Dignity of Man -- Mirandola
>Angel Magic:
Five Books of Magic -- John Dee
>Grimoire tradition:
Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian(/Solomonic) Magic -- Skinner
Encyclopedia Goetica -- Stratton-Kent
PGM -- Betz
Picatrix
>Alchemy:
Alchemy and Mysticism -- Taschen
Psychology and Alchemy -- Jung
Alchemy -- von Franz
The Hermetic Tradition -- Evola
The Forge and the Crucible -- Eliade
Alchemical Traditions -- Cheak
Mysteries of the Cathedrals -- Fulcanelli
Dwellings of the Philosophers -- Fulcanelli
>Astrology:
Tetrabiblos -- Ptolemy
>Tarot:
Way of the Tarot -- Jodorowski
Meditations on the Tarot -- Tomberg
>Paracelsianism:
The Alchemical Writings of Paracelsus
>Boehmeian Theosophy:
Aurora -- Boehme
>Rosicrucianism:
The Rosicrucian Enlightenment -- Yates
Rosicrucian Trilogy -- Godwin
>Freemasonry:
Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry -- Pike
>Illuminism:
The Secret School of Wisdom -- Wages
>Swedenborgianism:
Heaven and Hell -- Swedenborg
>Blavatskian Theosophy:
Isis Unveiled -- Blavatsky
The Secret Doctrine -- Blavatsky
The Mystic Qabalah -- Fortune
>Golden Dawn:
The Golden Dawn -- Regardie
>Thelema:
Magick: Book 4, Liber ABA -- Crowley
>Typhonian:
The Magickal Revival -- Grant
The Nightside of Eden -- Grant
>Traditionalism:
The Crisis of the Modern World -- Guenon
The Reign of Quantity and Sign of Times -- Guenon
>Religious Studies:
Sacred and Profane -- Eliade
Elementary Forms of Religious Life -- Durkheim
>Shamanism:
Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy -- Eliade

>> No.13940170

>>13940158
This exhausts the line count and contains a great deal of important works and removes books not available. Feel free to complain tho.

>> No.13940220

redpill me on oracles and mediums

>> No.13940292

>>13940220
Oracles oraculize. The medium is the massage.

>> No.13940300

>>13940220
Literally a bunch of virgins huffing noxious gases for "visions".

>> No.13940315

>>13940292
are you born one or become one

>> No.13940323

>>13940315
Depends on whether you feel existential or essentialist

>> No.13940386

>>13940323
former by default

>> No.13940475

>>13940386
Though there is a complicated feedback loop between genetics and environment, I would presume an existentialist would believe in the idea that anyone could become an oracle or medium -- but it also might be considered acting in bad faith if one is just cold reading people and trying to make a buck

>> No.13940540

>>13940292
I wouldn't mind a massage from a medium.

>> No.13940564

>>13940540
When you get the massage, don't hang up the phone.

>> No.13940599

Can I actually do supernatural magic stuff if I spend the time to read all this stuff?

>> No.13940628

>>13940599
If you consider enlightenment magic then yes.

>> No.13940691

>>13940599
Occultism is more about understanding occult forces at work around us and working with them to achieve your goals. It has improved my life quite a bit in the mundane sense of understanding the darkside of the western canon which is helpful as a liberal arts student and I am the one who made this list and thread from my own research. I would say I have k&c of my hga but that might be pretentious and instead I prefer to think of myself as a mere socratic philosopher talking to his holy daimon. My life has gotten better and worse and crazier and definitely trippier dreams. I have overcome issues I thought insurmountable and talked to spirits and quit the whole thing and started back up again. Idk. Maybe I'm crazy...

>> No.13940701

>>13940158
>final edition
>no kybalion
Yeah is a joke.

>> No.13940706

>>13939083
>traditional hermeticism
Wow you are stupid.

>> No.13940728

Recommended Reading List (FINAL FINAL EDITION):

>Hermeticism:
Corpus Hermetica -- Copenhaver
Hermetica II -- Litwa
The Egyptian Hermes -- Fowden
The Eternal Hermes -- Faivre
>Neoplatonism (in its mystic manifestations)
The Shape of Ancient Thought -- McEvilley
Ancient Philosophy, Mystery, and Magic -- Kingsley
The First Philosophers -- Waterfield
The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library -- Guthrie
Complete Works -- Plato
Complete Works -- Aristotle
Enneads -- Plotinus
Elements of Theology -- Proclus
De mysteriis -- Iamblichus
Commentary on the Dream of Scipio -- Macrobius
Chaldean Oracles - Majercik
The Orphic Hymns -- Athanassakis
Hesiod and the Homeric Hymns -- Hine
Theurgy and the Soul -- Shaw
Philosophy and Theurgy in Late Antiquity -- Uzdavinys
Philosophy as a Rite of Rebirth -- Uzdavinys
Orpheus and the Roots of Platonism -- Uzdavinys
>Occult Philosophy:
Western Esotericism: A Guide for the Perplexed -- Hanegraaf
Three Books of Occult Philosophy -- Agrippa
Cause, Principle, and Unity: and Essays on Magic -- Bruno
Transcendental Magic: Doctrine and Ritual -- Levi
Introduction(s) to Magic -- Evola
Occult Traditions -- Cheak
>Gnosticism
Seven Sermons to the Dead -- Jung
The Gnostic Bible
The Gnostic World
The Bible
>Kabbalah
Inner Space -- Kaplan
Jewish Meditation -- Kaplan
Meditation and Kabbalah -- Kaplan
Sefer Yetzirah
Bahir
Zohar
>Cabala
Platonic Theology -- Ficino
Oration on the Dignity of Man -- Mirandola
>Angel Magic:
Five Books of Magic -- John Dee
>Grimoire tradition:
Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian(/Solomonic) Magic -- Skinner
Encyclopedia Goetica -- Stratton-Kent
PGM -- Betz
Picatrix
>Alchemy:
Alchemy and Mysticism -- Taschen
Psychology and Alchemy -- Jung
Alchemy -- von Franz
The Hermetic Tradition -- Evola
The Forge and the Crucible -- Eliade
Alchemical Traditions -- Cheak
Mysteries of the Cathedrals -- Fulcanelli
Dwellings of the Philosophers -- Fulcanelli
>Astrology:
Tetrabiblos -- Ptolemy
>Tarot:
Way of the Tarot -- Jodorowski
Meditations on the Tarot -- Tomberg
>Paracelsianism:
The Alchemical Writings of Paracelsus
>Boehmeian Theosophy:
Aurora -- Boehme
>Rosicrucianism:
The Rosicrucian Enlightenment -- Yates
Rosicrucian Trilogy -- Godwin
>Freemasonry:
Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry -- Pike
>Illuminism:
The Secret School of Wisdom -- Wages
>Swedenborgianism:
Heaven and Hell -- Swedenborg
>Blavatskian Theosophy:
Isis Unveiled -- Blavatsky
The Secret Doctrine -- Blavatsky
The Mystic Qabalah -- Fortune
>Golden Dawn:
The Golden Dawn -- Regardie
>Thelema:
Magick: Book 4, Liber ABA -- Crowley
>Typhonian:
The Magickal Revival -- Grant
The Nightside of Eden -- Grant
>Traditionalism:
The Crisis of the Modern World -- Guenon
The Reign of Quantity and Sign of Times -- Guenon
>Shamanism:
Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy -- Eliade
>New Thought:
Kybalion -- "Three Intiates"
"Initiation into Hermetics" -- Franz Barson

>> No.13940734

>>13940728
*Initiates

>> No.13940743

>>13940728
*Bardon

>> No.13940756

>>13940706
Hermeticism like all philosophy has mutated from the ancient world through medieval and renaissance to modern and postmodern times...

>> No.13940765

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/free-religion-and-occult-libraries.198918/

>> No.13940780

>>13940728
>New Thought
Aaaaand this list just went full /x/.

>> No.13940838

>>13940701
The Kybalion is a joke

>> No.13940882

>>13940780
Perhaps thought should be in quotations...

>> No.13940887

>>13940765
Dope

>> No.13940899

>>13940706
But yes the word traditional has bad trad associations so is perhaps inappropriate

>> No.13940919

>>13939746
ML West is a distinguished PIE scholar tho

>> No.13940945

>>13940780
Honestly Grant is pretty /x/ too...

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal03.htm

>> No.13940962

>>13936310
What? that isn't right, the earliest Hermetic text dates later than Christianity by nearly a hundred years.

>> No.13940971

>>13940962
The earliest christian texts dates around the same desu

>> No.13941018

Be honest anons, is occultism another attempt of the human mind to project some kind of essences or principles onto reality?

>> No.13941033

>>13941018
It is about dissolving essences and principles to (re)discover the eternal essence or principle

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>>13941018
Honestly, no, I've come to the conclusion that the definition "Discarded and rejected knowledge" accurately describes occultism; very little knowledge is actually secret or hidden.

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13941162

>>13933337

This is all you need to know.

>> No.13941166

>>13940158
Shit list

>> No.13941195

>>13941033
This sound the same all around
>>13941060
But this intrigues me, if one already accept that occult knowledge don't accuratelly reflect reality(mental of phenomenical), then why practice all this? I mean I am not all about utilitarianism, but other people reading all this on this very thread appears to do so

>> No.13941213

>>13941162
>foreword by C. G. Jung
What.

>> No.13941223

This thread is so laughably bad. You are grouping things with literally nothing in common. Guenon and Crowley on the same chart. Plotinus and the Gnostics. If you are defining esoterism to be so broad as to include anything extra-corporeal, you could include nearly anything you want from any pre-modern school of thought. It is also very unclear why nothing of traditional Christianity is on this list. Even anti-Christians like Evola praised Hugh of St. Victor and Meister Eckhart. I don't understand this board. It is always circlejerking in one direction or another with regards to Christianity. Blavatsky also hated Christianity but admitted that there was valid esoterism in the Christian east. You list is clearly biased towards modern interpretations of the term "esoterism" that have literally nothing to do with the traditional conception thereof

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>>13941223
>You are grouping things with literally nothing in common
Welcome to Occultism!

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>>13941213
>>13941162

Yeah he (was) good friends with Carl Jung, you didnt know?

>> No.13941490

>>13941259
Cursed image
Kabbalah/Chakras, body and an inverted pentagram wtf.

>> No.13942667

bump

>> No.13942784

Why not just go to /omg/?

>> No.13943105

>>13940728
>Neoplatonism (in its mystic manifestations)
>Complete Works -- Plato

tbqh there's not a lot of mysticism in some of the dialogues. I think it's sort of useless to recommend the entire works of plato for a mystic.

>> No.13943378

>>13943105
What are the most mystic dialogues?

>> No.13944090

>>13928027
At first I was going to call everyone here idiots but then I realized this general would function as a containment thread, so I wish it success.

>> No.13944207

>>13935607
>I am a bit confused on why this thread is not on /x/ though
so that we can discuss the literature in a reasonably informed manner

>> No.13944229

>>13940701
the kybalion is not very important

>> No.13944233

>>13943378
timaeus and phaedrus

>> No.13944241

>>13941223
Read access to western esotericism by antoine faivre if you are interested in knowing why esotericism is defined the way it is and what it means

>> No.13944259

>>13944090
Why does being interested in the esoteric make someone an idiot?

>> No.13945546

>>13943105
If anything the complete works of Aristotle is an even more ridiculous recommendation.

>> No.13945566 [DELETED] 

>>13940919
ML West's translation of the Gathas has significant problems.

>> No.13946832

>>13945546
yeah i thought the same

>> No.13946848

>>13943105
Proclus wrote quite a few commentaries on Plato's dialogues. There are mystical qualities in Plato's writing, even in the boring dialogues like Cratylus.

>> No.13947209

>>13946832
Aristotle was believed to have hidden harmonies with Plato by the late Neoplatonists...

>> No.13948159

>>13946848
>>13947209
Good posts

>> No.13948431

>>13943105
>plato
His style of writing alone should shake up the average person. I always came away from Plato feeling weirder than normal after reading anything by him.
Timaeus, Parmenides, Sophist, Theatetus, Euthyphro, Symposium, certain parts of Republic like the last few paragraphs on transmigrating souls.

>> No.13949231

>>13928027
>>13928046
>>13928084
>>13928128
>>13928161
>>13928173

YO have you people read this dude:
https://peterkingsley.org/product/catafalque/