/lit/ - Literature

Hello fellow Muslim bro

That's pretty sad

>>13927798
How

>>13927798

I see, forced conversion.

>>13927798
Kys. But not in a public square, faggot.

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

>>13927798
How do you deal with Majuj and Yajuj, and that it teaches a flat Earth?

If you converted for emotional reasons then you probably won't reply.

>>13927798

i can see all of the western world converting to islam becuase they killed off christianity but they still have an empty vacuum they don't know how to fill or trying to fill with veganism and climate changism, but in the end it's very unsatisfying. it won't take much at all for them all to convert to islam. it's exotic, it's foreign, therefore it's politically correct and better than anything of their own. and it fills that spiritual vaccum.

>>13927798
Fuck your ISIS recruitment strategy.

>>13927798
Same. I was caught by ISIS while vacationing in Sudan. I'm glad that I read the Koran in the original Arabic just for this occasion.

>>13927798
did it stop a bullet or something

>>13928852
what kind of retard vacations in the most war-torn country in the world?

>>13928718
80% of Americans are Christian and the rest are mostly agnostic. "Dead" my ass.

>>13928718
>climate changism
Neck yourself faggot

>>13927798
A piece of advice from a former believer. Stick with the Quran and avoid the Hadiths. Most of the bullshit with Islam has to do with the Hadiths. The Quran is all you need.

>>13928888
As an outsider learning about Islam I don't get how in the hell you people fell for the hadiths meme, didn't anyone question the authenticity of a guy writing down gossips supposedly passed through a century and turning them into laws?

>>13928913
>arab intellectuals

>>13927798
You had to chose between conversion and death?

Looks like OP isn't replying to anyone.

>>13928888
Not going to lie to you this was what i was thinking. I'm reading the quran currently and the things it lays out make sense, i can see how people would believe in it as the "Word of god" the hadiths, however, I don't see why they've taken so seriously as it was more or less spread by word of mouth and sent down generation after generation.

>>13928879

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/06/more-americans-now-say-theyre-spiritual-but-not-religious/

Looked at another way, only 54% of U.S. adults think of themselves as religious – down 11 points since 2012 – while far more (75%) say they are spiritual, a figure that has remained relatively steady in recent years.

The growth of “spiritual but not religious” Americans has come mainly at the expense of those who say they are religious and spiritual. Indeed, the percentage of U.S. adults in this latter group has fallen by 11 points between 2012 and 2017.

>>13928888
>>13929178
If the Quran is the *word of God*, God is an embarrassment. Just take a look at chapter 33 verse 53...

>>13928718
>but they still have an empty vacuum they don't know how to fill
How about just living life to the fullest instead of believing in imaginary beings? Go to music festivals, AirBnB, have a fulfilling career?

Mashallah!

>>13930608
>How about just living life to the fullest
Live a hedonistic, comfortable life? It can certainly satisfy many, but not all, and the more it accelerates the more we become estranged from being. It's a temptation, to just go out with the girl, to just go dancing, to just get excited about your secular studies and forget religion. I have lived that life and there is no meaning in it, it's just comfort. I am happy I found Islam

This dick literally fucked your wife

>>13928888
>a piece of advice from a kafir, this is how you should practice, not how Muslims do

This is why open apostasy gets the death penalty, because you seek to subvert Islam. A tremendous amount of the Qur'an is extremely contextually revealed and this context is contained in the Hadith

>>13928913
99% of Hadiths we're discarded, only those with the strongest chains of narrators were kept, and of those many have been revised and challenged. Islam isn't Christianity

>>13930047
Are americans just retarded?

Kill em all.

>>13930641
Not married

>>13930095
>O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.

BASED

>>13928855
Based

>>13927798
I'm so curious about this book. can you short hand a good story or two out of it? I have absolutely no idea what it's like.

I plan to read the Quran after the Bible. I am halfway through the book of Deuteronomy, so obviously still a long way to go.

Is the Torah even worth reading? Essentially it's just an uncensored version of first five books of and old testament right?

>>13930628
>Having a life worth living = Hedonism
I know all you religious reactionary guys deny life, but I didn't expect you to argue any human life without servitude to a supreme being is worthless

>>13930666
Absolutely Based

>>13930666
How could I prepare myself to read the book? Is it worth reading in english?

>>13930790
>knowing the one god means being exactly how you imagined them

Amazing, your clairvoyance.

>>13928913
By following isnad Muslims can determine whether or not the Hadith is sahih or not, which isn't necessarily whether or not it's authentic, but rather if it's sound in it's chain of transmission and if the matn is good advice or not

>>13927798
Did you run out of toilet paper?

>>13930881
But what if the hadithit is isbadihi balabim bam bum??

someone made a religious books general
can't you keep your pedo rapist shit in there?

>>13930881
what if thet matn hitfhs hsidfhasg is superseded by the ifgah yujif zafqir? Also note the annotations by Ibn Suqaard in the iffjah hajj uhjurigh tyigjg

>>13930780
It's actually a good deal law and prayers (revealed in rhyme) that are beautiful poems by Allah, Subhanahu Wa Taala. Of the stories, they are about prophets, many (but not all) from the Bible, although often with key differences in narration, example there is no killing of the first born in Egypt. It's also all told by God (be He Glorified and Exalted), frequently in first person

>>13930815
Yes, I recommend Arberry's translation if you don't want preparation. You won't understand all of it but you will enjoy it

>>13930948
>You won't understand all of it
you'd think an omnipotent god would make his books easy to understand by all his creations

>>13930948
no, I am actually willing to prepare to read it. I am completely fascinated with theologies and their context.

>voluntarily falling for the Islam meme
t. former Muslim

>>13931053
This is sort of the old scientism position that philosophy can't be true or else it would be easy to understand

>>13931199
I would suggest multiple tafsirs then (which explain context verse by verse), or the Study Quran in a pinch

>>13928109
Some many posts later and no one addressed my post. Vindicated. You'll probably stop going to the masjid after your fervor dies down and you realize Islam says shit like being breastfed by a woman makes her your mahrem.

>>13930781
Kinda, the wisdom books are fun to read - especially job. The history books could probably be skipped, but they are referenced a quite a bit by the rest of the bible (including the new-test). You should definitely read the prophets though; they build up quite a bit to Christ and have generally important stuff, for example, Jeremiah 7:21-28 explodes the practice of animal sacrifice for the Canaanite rituals they really are

>>13932413
Also, there is no need to read both Kings and Chronicles if you want to cut corners. Both tell the same histories of David and Solomon, but with slight variation and different focus. Chronicles takes a more "reverential" stance, and the Sins of David are never mentioned, Kings is a more hard truth type of writing, but doesn't have God as heavy an influence as in Chronicles

>>13932425
>>13932413
>>13930781

Sorry, I misunderstood - I thought you meant reading the old testament beyond the Pentateuch. I'm not sure about the Torah, I thought it was just the same as the old-test

>>13931295
there are many concepts that are difficult to understand. quantum physics, for example. however, nobody has ever claimed that everyone in the world should understand quantum physics and live life according to its precepts.
people who design things for large audiences do their best to make the things clear and unambiguous so that everyone in the audience can understand. people who design forms, for example (of course they are sometimes not successful).
the fact that there are catholics and protestants, or sunnis and shias, show that the respective gods of those religions are less successful at keeping things simple than Google.

>tfw islam is dying faster than Christianity
I still don't get how the dune coons saw the Protestant revolution just fucking... happen, they even FUNDED Protestant thinkers, and then they just let the Brits go and do it to them.

And then having seen the disastrous affects Protestantism has had on Europe, they turn around and embrace Wahhabism thinking
>well, we're doing THE EXACT SAME THING THEY'RE DOING, but it won't fuck US over THIS time!
Mindblowing.

>>13927824
Kek

>>13927798
How did it save your life?
How old are you?

>>13930095
What's wrong with it, theres context behind that verse. Apparently, since the prophet was so popular yet so kind, many people would enter his house without permission, for food or for resources. Since the prophet was too shy to send them away he allowed them to stay even if he was tired. This verse literally only means to ask for permission to go into his home, and if they're there just to eat, that they should eat and leave. Since there were many poor people that came to his out for food.

>>13931053
This point makes no sense, human society changes over time, language, mannerisms, beliefs, how can a book written once cater perfectly to every age?

>>13932701
>how can a book written once cater perfectly to every age?
that would be a trivial matter to an omnipotent being

>>13927798
...and now it will make you take other's

>>13927798
That's ok anon.

Thanks, some times people forgets that saving a life is more important than a petty agenda.

>>13930763
>The Creator of the stars, black holes and the fucking universe and also my best buddy said you should get out of my place and leave me alone and also don't fuck my wives after I die. >Look guys, he said it not me so I suggest that you do what he said or else he'll barbeque you in HELL....Did I mention that he's quite a chill dude? like the most chill and merciful dude out there?

>>13932520
Life is pretty extensive and not just a few simple concerns.

>>13932618
>Wahhabi invented Athari thought
>Wahhabis invented Hanbali thought
>Wahhabis invented Zahiri thought

"Wahhabism" is not fungible with Protestantism. In fact there is no such thing as Wahhabism, as the Wahhabi dynasty changes their positions and aren't even recognized as authoritative by most Atharis. Wahhabism is a Boomer meme used to describe anyone who supports things like death for adultery (i.e. every single madhab). "Wahhabism" isn't even a rejection of scholarly authority, it is accepting the Wahhabi dynasty of scholars. Groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda would never refer to themselves as Wahhabis and would consider it an insult

>>13932719
I suppose so if you support obliterating every language but classical Arabic and teaching early Islamic history to all students

>>13933447
>I suppose so if you support obliterating every language but classical Arabic and teaching early Islamic history to all students
why would a god need to do that? why doesn't he just make a book that is instantly readable by everyone as soon as they look at the page, or even just program it directly into everyone's brains?

>>13927798
but it ruined mine unironically as a 21yo turkish male. fucked up my youth. i hate pedo muho and his all*x.

>>13930781
The Torah is the first 5 books of the bible, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Christian call it the Pentateuch and Jews call it the Torah but they're the same books. These are the most important books of the Old Testament or what the Jews call the Tanahk. They're extremely important to both Christians and Jews because it's the genesis or foundation of their faiths. A Muslim would say they should be discarded since they were corrupted before they were actually written down. They assert this because there's certain discrepancies between the bible and the Qu'ran, with certain details about Abraham's life being a prime example.

>>13928865
Evidently, that guy

The only real roadblock to me becoming a Muslim is the fact of Muhammad being a pedophile. He's recorded as "thighing" Aisha while she played with dolls, meaning she was a prepubescent. It doesn't help that Muslims try to hand wave it by saying other cultures married kids off too, as if that means they were having sex with those kids. In doing this they're inadvertently taking a relativistic position which says pedophilia isn't intrinsically evil, that in some cultures times it is acceptable.

>>13933666
All arabs are pedophiles. As such, their religion and philosophy supports pedophilia. Why embrace their religion, culture, and philosophy when you yourself are nothing like them? It's erroneous to think that each idea is a general abstract separate from humanity, there is a thought fitting for every genome, as each thought arises from genome, and there are much more fitting thoughts for non-pedophilic genomes than Islam, which is synonymous with the zoophilic and pedophilic genomes.

Maybe, but what about your soul?

>>13933566
Qur'an doesn't mean "book", like Bible does. It means "Telling", it was originally oral, it was revealed to an unlettered man. It was written down at his command but its pure form is oral. Insofar as an oral book goes, it is arguably universally the easiest to memorize

>>13933666
>if you don't accept modern liberal norms you're a relativist

Yikes. Yes, he had a child bride. No there is nothing wrong with that and to think there is requires YOU to eithrr be a relativist or believe everyone before a hundred years ago was unethical

>>13928879
>80% of Americans are Christian
Even if this statistic pulled out of your ass is remotely true, that label means less than nothing. Barely any Western man or woman is concerned with living a world-denying, self-sacrificing life. It's literally just-in-case-hell-is-real insurance.

>>13933871
Fucking children is bad isn't some new marxist post-modernist cultural norm like wearing airbuds. It is genuinely genetically inherent in good neurotypical human beings to be absolutely repulsed by the idea of mating with and being sexually attracted to children. The difference between that and the custom of marrying pubescent children in order to provide them with a stable lifestyle until coming of age SANS sexual engagement is astronomical, and to deny it is to try and justify your own deeply disturbed psyche that's an affront to humanity.

>>13933871
To believe there isn't an absolute good or evil is to a relativist. Pedophilia is wrong no matter who does it, when, or where. It is intrinsically evil and if you disagree you're a relativist by definition.

>>13933895
The age of marriage and cohabitation in Roman and Byzantine law was seven for women. Furthermore marriage was not valid until consummated in either Arab of western law

>>13933906
>if you reject the belief that child marriage is evil, you're a relativist

>>13933913
Look at the painting you posted. The predatory language is far from subtle. I don't care that a king did it, I don't care who did it or when, any good human being, be it a painter or a peasant, knew that it was wrong.

>>13933913
Marriage and cohabitation doesn't mean sex, and even if it did, how the hell does that change anything? That's just a whataboutism. If the Byzantines fucked kids, they were evil for doing it. If Muhammad fucked kids, he was evil for doing it.

>>13933919
The Muslims own sources record that Muhammad had sexual contact with Aisha while she was a prepubescent. He would rub his penis between her thighs to get off. He did this while she was playing with dolls which meant she must have been prepubescent since playing with dolls was forbidden to girls after their first period.

>>13933933
According to what? Certainly not the Bible (Numbers 31:18)

>>13933942
So? She was his wife

>>13933945
I don't know what you're asking. I made a very clear statement that anyone who fucks kids is evil for doing it. Numbers 31 doesn't refute that.

>>13933954
So she was PREpubescent. Do you know what puberty means?

>>13933954
And that changes nothing. She was prepubescent and a pedophile is somebody who has sex with prepubescents. Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent, therefore Muhammad was a pedophile. Marriage doesn't come into the equation or negate the fact that he had sex with a prepubescent.

>>13933958
>I made a very clear statement that anyone who fucks kids is evil for doing it.
Based on what?

>>13933963
Yes

>>13933967
>using a devil word over and over

You forgot "homophobe"

>>13934003
Pedophilia is bad based on any reason that suits your fancy. If you can't admit as much you prove my point to everyone that Muslims are reprehensible supporters of pedophilia.

>>13934015
>based on contemporary ideology

>>13934003
Based on the fact that sexual attraction is based on sexual dimorphism, which is developed during and after puberty. If you're sexually attracted to something based on human sexual dimorphism, that means through trauma and mental illness you've developed a fetish -- non-neurotypical, definitely abnormal, probably disturbing, but not necessarily evil.

What is evil, however, is not recognizing, or rather not caring, about the mental fragility and lack of development of a child's mind, that is designed to trust adults and confide in them. To then abuse that innocent, objectify it to facilitate your manipulation of a pure being that doesn't even know of sexuality yet as it is PREPUBESCENT, that is nothing but evil. It is lack of empathy for the innocent, it is mental abuse of the innocent, it is physical abuse of the innocent, all for the hollow purpose of lust, fornication of the flesh, evil through and through, the very lacking of the qualities that made humanity ascend and prosper above the animal kingdom and find some hope in an otherwise cruel and uncaring universe.

>>13934022
Go on and make it clear and tell everybody that Islam supports pedophilia. Don't be shy, it's not fitting behavior for such traditional men.

>>13927798
Yea?
Are you a europoor that was going to be put to death for raping a 9 year old, but then you told the police that that's racist against muslims?

Were muzzies murdering everyone on the bus, but you were able to recite the shahada so you were spared?

>>13928888
Not only is that a lie, but the Hadiths are proclaimed to be necessary to belief in the Quran.
One of those things is the command to murder apostates.
If you weren't full of shit, you'd know that.

>>13928865
>>13933650
>Muslims
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/07/somalia-reporter-whose-goal-was-to-report-positive-news-is-murdered-in-jihad-attack

>>13933954
^This is why Islam will never take hold in American prisons like it has in European prisons.
We don't worship pedophiles, we kill them.

>>13934033
I would also like to say that the foundation for these ideas isn't some cool and hip modern ideaology. It is the very theory of mind that acknowledges the sentience and value of other thoughtful beings, children or not. This is inherent to the self-aware human race, and sure it's been subdued in primitive and cruel periods of history that thrived on devaluing human life because there simply weren't enough resources to go around, but just because something is subdued doesn't mean it's not there, and as the natural progression of history, the evolution of philosophy, and the very natural repulsion found in most human beings to pedophilia shows us, it is not some ephemeral norm that comes and goes, it is innate and will forever be present in good human beings.

>>13934033
>fetish evil though every other wife he had was a widow or divorced

>kids don't know of sexuality
It's instinctive, they don't know about intercourse (although then, especially in Europe, they would, as most houses had one room and parents did it with their kids around), but they certainly know erogenous and erotic from a very early age

>>13934048
>^This is why Islam will never take hold in American prisons like it has in European prisons.

It's the fastest growing religion in American prisons, and in America in general

>>13934033
>>13934064
Now why is it that despite all this pedophilia is much more prevalent in Islam and, namely, in the arab race? The answer is simply. Not only are they low IQ, but they carry many aggressive and animalistic genes fostered by the harsh middle-eastern they evolved in to survive, their savage culture a natural fruit of their monstrous genes. Not unlike Africa in that regard.

>>13934081
>>fetish evil though every other wife he had was a widow or divorced
What are you even trying to rationalize here?

>>kids don't know of sexuality
It's instinctive, they don't know about intercourse (although then, especially in Europe, they would, as most houses had one room and parents did it with their kids around), but they certainly know erogenous and erotic from a very early age
You are mentally ill. You view reality from a lens far disturbed from the truth in order to excuse your evil perversion. Observe your vague defensive language and tell me you aren't trying to hide what you know to be inexcusable.

>>13934081
It's the fastest growing religion in the west because of birth rates and because muslims murder people for leaving.
AND STILL islam has the highest rates of apostasy, by far.

>>13934110
>What are you even trying to rationalize here?
That it is simply and blatantly incorrect to say he had a pathological fixation with children

>>13934121
Yes because Islam doesn't accommodate

>>13934136
>That it is simply and blatantly incorrect to say he had a pathological fixation with children
You're not not a pedophile because you fucked a child just that one time, or even worse, because just one of your wives is a child. If you're attracted to children, you're a pedophile. If you fucked a child, which is to mean raped a child, you're a monster.

>>13934136
>Yes because Islam doesn't accommodate
Except murderers.
And divorcees.
And adulterers.
And pedophiles.
And wife beaters.
And slave owners.
And liars.
And idol worshipers.
etc.

>>13934136
>an ancient custom called "bacha bazi" (boy for play), where rich men buy boys as young as 11 from impoverished families for sexual slavery. The boys are dressed in women's clothes and made to dance and sing at parties, before being carted away by the men for sex. Owning boys is considered a symbol of status and one former warlord boasted of having up to 3,000 boys over a 20-year period, even though he was married, with two sons. The involvement of the police and inaction of the government means this form of child prostitution is widespread.

>The moral hypocrisy is outrageous in a country where homosexuality is not only strictly forbidden but savagely punished, even between two consenting adults. However, men who sodomise young boys are not considered homosexuals or paedophiles. The love of young boys is not a phenomenon restricted to Afghanistan; homosexual pederasty is common in neighbouring Pakistan, too. In my view, repression of sexuality and extreme gender apartheid is to blame.

Yeah it's not too hard to stand at 0% homosexuals when you don't consider raping little boy slaves homosexual behavior.

>>13934081
>It's the fastest growing religion in American prisons, and in America in general
What are prisoners in America going to convert to, Christianity? This is one of those statistics that sound good until you actually think about it. Plus the fact that you think a bunch of prisoners converting to your religion is something to brag about is hilarious. Criminals for a criminal religion.

>>13934178
That is a practice supported by the secularists and opposed by the Islamists


https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/southasia/2018/01/24/the-revised-afghanistan-criminal-code-an-end-for-bacha-bazi/

>>13934214
>n-not true muslims!

Pathetic. Just admit the truth already, it's over. You never even bothered addressing my original argument. You just decided to fixate on the rhetorical definition of fetish hoping I wouldn't notice. Enough. Pedophilia is evil. Arabs are pedophiles. Arabs are muslim. Arabs are evil. Muhammed was a degenerate monster who now burns in hell.

>>13934232
>According to one legend, in 1994, he had a dream in which a woman told him: "We need your help; you must rise. You must end the chaos. Allah will help you."[49] Mullah Omar started his movement with less than 50 armed madrassah students, known simply as the Taliban (Pashtun for 'students'). His recruits came from madrassas in Afghanistan and from the Afghan refugee camps across the border in Pakistan. They fought against the rampant corruption that had emerged in the civil war period and were initially welcomed by Afghans weary of warlord rule. Apparently, Omar became sickened by the abusive raping of children by warlords and turned against their authority in the mountainous country of Afghanistan from 1994 onwards.[50]

>The practice of bacha bazi by warlords was one of the key factors in Mullah Omar mobilizing the Taliban.[52] Reportedly, in early 1994, Omar led 30 men armed with 16 rifles to free two young girls who had been kidnapped and raped by a warlord, hanging him from a tank gun barrel.[53]

>>13934268

>>13934277

>>13934268
So now you're arguing for me. "True" Islam gives death penalty to child rapists, and that is just. Only, muhammed himself was a child rapist. So which is it? No matter how you twist it, you're still operating under the no true scotsman fallacy. I don't care what branch of Islam this Omar thought he was following, in fact he was only exerting his will upon the world, not at all following the abstract concept of the religion that is Islam. I'm done here. Your argument is schizophrenic at best.

>>13934284

>>13934268
>>13934214
I remember when Muslims used to claim the Taliban wasn't Islamic.

Bucko

>>13934301
Junkie.

>>13934295

>>13934304

>>13934299
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html

They're Maturidi, i.e. they believe in rationalism and free will. They are Islamic but they follow a Persian rather than Arab school of Sunni thought.

>>13934323
And what is the Arab argument against free will??

>>13934343
It's complicated, both sides have been writing extensively back and forth for a long time. The Ashari are determinists, the Maturidi subscribe to free will. Al-Ghazali was the most famous Ashari, but the Ottoman subscribed to Maturidi

>>13934323
Could you elaborate, or maybe even recommend me some works about Maturidi?

>>13934048
>Hadiths are proclaimed to be necessary to belief in the Quran.
Please show me the surah and verse where the Quran says the Hadiths are necessary to be a true believer.

>This is why Islam will never take hold in American prisons

Have you ever been to the hood? Most of those fools are “Muslim” because they’ve done time. Islam has a strong hold on African Americans in the prison system.

Uneducated posters spouting bullshit so confidently always cracks me up. Thanks for the laughs, anon.

>>13930608
>go to music festivals

If you're above 80iq music festival will not be in any way "entertaining" or fulfilling. For (1) they're hedonistic, (2) it's almost always shitty pop/rap/edm music, (3) they're usually in the summer under really shitty weather conditions. punk, metal, jazz, industrial, classical, folk, etc. is all great, but they don't really have festivals for that stuff. I know there are a few metal festivals in the world like Obscene Extreme, Maryland Death Fest, and a few others, but that's nothing in comparison to the literally hundreds of festivals they have fore edm/pop music - all of which are absolute shit and almost exclusively attract brainlets, hedonists, and whorish, attention-seeking women.

>>13936648
Chapter 59 verse 7, read the last part, also Chapter 4 verse 59.
>[59:7]....And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
>[4:59]O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.
Hadiths are the direct words and commands of Muhammed. You may argue that these verses are addressing people at Muhammed's times but as per usual Allah sucks at making things clear

>>13937524
It's kind of amazing how ignorant Muslims can be about their own faith. They'll act as if they're really into it and try to defend it but then something like this happens and they suddenly get quite.

Thank Allah I am a muslim.

>>13930781
Same. I started reading the Bible because I want to read Summa and the Gospels. Right now except Genesis and Exodus is a waste of time, it's basically Israel fighting "literally who" tribes for the "milk and honey" land. I felt for the /lit/ memes once again.

>>13937800
Because the major majority of muslims are indoctrinated since childhood, using fear of beating, ostracization and nightmare-inducing description of the eternal punishment of hellfire
which is also aired 24/7 on arab TV (usually accompanied by that downright-lovecraftian and depressing islamic chanting). And with that atmosphere of fear supported by the arab governments and their funded clergy, skepticism and critical thinking dies in their societies ("beard man speaks, me open ass, me take it in, me no ask questions").

As a result, it is near impossible for muslims (especially arabs) to have any form of individuality or the need to self-improve (me no need to read or learn, me do muslim stuff and allah with give me infinite booze and hoes in sky brothel after me die").
The only identity they can cling to is "being a muslim" for that's the only thing they have left despite know next-to-nothing about their faith other than what their clerics said to do and what not to do.

>>13927798

>>13930608
Hahahahahahahaha

>>13930881
I think it's funny that Muslims recognize that the Hadith weren't able to be accurately preserved for than a few generations but when it comes to the Qu'ran they won't give it a seconds thought.

Repent and believe the Gospel, infidels

>>13937524
>>13937800
You're really reaching with those verses. Where is the surah and verse that says you must follow the collection of sayings and traditions attributed to the Prophet Muhammad several generations after his death?

Muslim /lit/ discord

https://discord.gg/WEjnKr2

>>13938894
Like I said in the last part of the post that the verses may address people at Mohammed's time or the entire human race.
And it may or may not include the Hadith since it's literaly what Mohammed said in his life as a "prophet".
And like I also said Allah sucks at making things clear. I guess you can't expect much from the same person that says that the "sky is a ceiling that have no pillars, and the only reason it doesn't fall on you is that I'm holding it" lmao

I have been born a muslim and have yet to completely read this book or ever perform a five-salat day. I am rotten to my core, maybe I should consider ta'wba.

>>13938977
based. I was raised as a muslim, even became a regular imam at a small mosque when I was barely a kid (all the makmums were women). then the doubt in my faith grew bigger until high school, where I dismantled it bit by bit. when in college, the last straw was drawn and I was becoming even more skeptic. now I'm a gnostic, and learning about buddhism amd try to find an answer.

>>13938936
I was just hoping you could provide me with something a little more solid and specific. Like I said earlier, as a former believer the Hadiths are a farce. They've become so embedded with Islam that most practicing muslims believe excerpts from the Hadiths are actually from the Quran.

I agree, the Quran like most religious texts is terrible at making things clear. I would think a divine book from God himself would be little more clear and thorough.

It’s ended a lot of others

>>13939455
>I was just hoping you could provide me with something a little more solid and specific

You can't really be specific when it comes to Islam due to the many interpretations of the religious texts , there is a reason why there are many sects and schools with the largest being Sunni (there are schools of jurisprudence under that such as Shafi'i and Hanbali for example) that rely on 3 sources to derive religous legislations:
-Quran (ultimate and indisputable)
-Hadith (I guess the 2 verses I mentioned are the one that muslim theologians rely on)
-Ijtihad (basically islamic theologians deriving new laws based on the 2 previous sources, an easy example to give is how marijuana is forbidden because it's somehow sharing similar effects to alcohol (the inhibition of the brain). Alcohol is forbidden in the Quran therefore Marijuana is forbidden.

>most practicing muslims believe excerpts from the Hadiths are actually from the Quran

I highly doubt that, I'd assume that you meant it in a different way. Muslims know that the quran and the hadith are two different things for one comes from Allah and the latter comes from Mohammed.
Verses from the Quran are highly revered, muslims make sure that they are recited letter by letter without any diversions, not so much with the hadith where a bit of paraphrasing is okay.

>>13928718

If people aren't going to be Christian, they aren't going to be Muslim. People in industrial society, outside America, don't bother with religion anymore.

>>13936684
>punk, metal, jazz, industrial, classical, folk, etc. is all great, but they don't really have festivals for that stuff
Not sure where you live but they have metal, punk, and folk stuff all the time in America

>>13936684

Lol this guy hates Islam, but he really fucking hates music festivals.

>>13934162
Those emperors were not so Muslims....

>>13938039
You are just a Jew who puts a lot of faces of different people who does not have almost any in common except for the "practice", of Islam...

>>13927798
Congrats, it is a nice Book, because it comes from God!!!

>>13940910
>YOU DONT LIKE ISLAM, YOU MUST BE A YAHOODI! MAY ALLAH THE MOST MERCIFUL GIVE YOU CANCER!