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13904098 No.13904098 [Reply] [Original]

What are some books with schizoid characters/themes?

>> No.13904104

>>13904098
Just go to /x/ for a few hours.

>> No.13904126
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>>13904104
>not knowing the difference between a schizoid and a schizophrenic

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>>13904098
https://vitrifyher.com/2018/09/27/the-schizoid-aspie-who-discovered-the-secrets-of-the-multiverse-with-the-internet/

>> No.13904128

>>13904098
>tfw schizoid myself

>> No.13904144

>>13904098

My diary desu

>> No.13904153

>>13904144
Post an excerpt

>> No.13904164

>>13904126
I actually just skimmed your post and thought you said schizophrenic. I know what schizoid personality disorder is since I'm suspicious that it might apply to me. As for books, perhaps No Longer Human? That's the closest thing I can think of. The protagonist fits many of the symptoms.

>> No.13904171

>>13904098
none. schizoids aren't capable of creation

>> No.13904175

>>13904098
She needs it lustly and fastly.

>> No.13904176

>>13904171
And you're incapable of reading comprehension.

Even if you were correct, I didn't ask for books written by schizoids, idiot.

>> No.13904184

>>13904153

N-no anon that's private

>> No.13904191

>>13904171
>schizoids aren't capable of creation
[citation required]

>> No.13904282

I can feel myself becoming schizoid month by month; I've already cut off most of my friends, stopped dating, have very little empathy and fantasize about living alone in the woods.

Is there any hope for me haha? already done SSRIs and various experimental antidepressants, CBT, psychoanalysis, etc.

>> No.13904312

>>13904282
I'm in the same boat, and no I don't think so.

>> No.13904340

>>13904312
would you describe yourself as mildly autistic?
my social skills aren't too bad, but I often find myself overanalyzing how absurdly irrational human behaviour is, it's as if I am slowly losing my instincts and turning into a robot.

hope that makes sense, I have a very hard time articulating my thoughts

>> No.13904382

>>13904098
The Divided Self by R.D. Laing.

Out of curiosity, why do you think you have schizoid personality disorder. Went through a similar experience a few months back. While I agree I have some schizoid adaptions, I don't suffer from anhedonia, and therefor wouldn't class my self as a full blown schizoid.

>> No.13904393

>>13904382
Samefag. This question extends to anyone on the thread who may or may not have this personality disorder.

In all honesty, I don't view the label as an issue. It's the accompanying lack of pleasure (anhedonia) and consequent depression that seems to cause issues. Not the isolation itself.

>> No.13904395

>>13904393
I haven't been able to find anything I truly enjoy in years and it makes me miserable.

>> No.13904397

>>13904282
Try NAC and Sarcosine. I’ve heard exogenous testosterone works as well, but I can’t vouch for it

>> No.13904400

>>13904098
Kafka and Dazai

>> No.13904403

>>13904128
>>13904164
>>13904282
We can’t all really be schizoid right anons?
I too suspect I am a schizoid. I don’t have any desire for friends anymore. I just want to stay home and read books

>> No.13904415

>>13904403
>We can’t all really be schizoid right anons?
Like you I am only suspicious, and I doubt my ability to correctly self-diagnose. But many of the symptoms seem to apply to me and I know there is definitely something wrong with me which decreases my quality of life. Who knows.

>> No.13904416

Personality disorders are just convenient categories to place people with extreme personality traits which are counter to social norms or values. You can have traits described in schizoid symptoms without literally being the textbook definition of some "disorder". It's all withib the human condition.

>> No.13904423

>>13904403
>>13904415
there is a vast overlap between schizoid symptoms and aspergers/autism. given that we're on 4chan at the moment I think it makes it the latter more likely

>> No.13904426

>>13904416
To add what I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter if you fit an arbitrary category or not and it's useless to obsess over. Your traits or problems are the same regardless of the label slapped on them, so it's more effective to just take them as they are. Not like there is really "treatment" for schizoid anyway.

>> No.13904465

>>13904426
Labels for mental illnesses are a mechanism to stabilise and enforce social norms not only because they legitimate treatment, medication and therapy but also because they are a huge stigma in society so people try to adapt their behaviour before they get an official diagnosis meaning that psychology of pathological disorders functions preemptively to control behaviour while the ones who want to avoid the stigma necessarily must suffer as they basically try to supress their primal nature and act against their dedault will and logic.

>> No.13904497

>>13904395
Is it that you are unable to experience joy, or that you have a hard time pinpointing experiences that bring joy?

>> No.13904546

>>13904497
The latter.

>> No.13904591

>>13904403
It would seem that it's weird so many people at once are or could be schizoid, but then remember that we are a cetain segment of the population so it is possible that many of us come here.

>> No.13904630

>>13904546
I seem to fall in the latter as well.

Stimulation, typically in the form of physical exertion, but also reading/music helps. Abstinence does as well. The former gives me something to look forward too that is also productive. The latter helps avoid time wasters (streaming services, social media, porn etc). The difference in my mood when I adhere to this is drastic, and, generally speaking, enough to lift out of the shallow puddle of indifference I'd wallow in without it.

>> No.13904720

>>13904340
I was tested for autism a few years ago and they said I was fine, I do have a very hard time articulating my thoughts though, although sometimes I have brief periods where I'm fine.

>> No.13904732

>>13904403
I think some of us more have avoidant personality disorder. Schizoid is a little harder to diagnose since the internal life of a schizoid is very strange and filled with contradictory drives/

>> No.13904788

Schepperman in J R
The Hermit in Blood Meridian
Watt in Mercier and Camier
The tenants in The Metamorphosis
The Chinese guy in The Magic Mountain who claps after one of Peeperkorn's speeches
The old guy in An Encounter (Dubliners)

>> No.13904807

>>13904732
>I think some of us more have avoidant personality disorder.
For those curious, the primary distinction between the two (based on my understanding of the two disorders) is a yearning for acceptance. Those with AVPD want to form connections with others, but are unable to (typically due to some form of anxiety) while those with SPD don't (at least externally).

>> No.13904859

good topic/terrible thread

try:

invention of morel by bioy casares
street of crocodiles by schulz
dark spring by zurn
jakob von gunten by walser
the golem by meyrink

and honestly there are some classics like dostoevsky's "the double" and kafka's "the trial" which will also probly interest you

>> No.13904864

>>13904098
the book of disquiet

>> No.13904907

Not a book, but the protagonist of the movie "The Man who wasn't There" is like textbook schizoid.

The social isolation is a big part of it, but to all those who wonder if they are schizoid or becoming schizoid, don't forget the emotional flatness is also an essential part, at least according to some diagnostics, where winning the lottery and losing one's job aren't too far on the reaction scale.

>> No.13904980

>>13904859
>jakob von gunten by walser
What?

>> No.13905263

>>13904282
I'm not saying that I think your problems are neurochemical in a reductive way, and so also not saying that psychopharmacological intervention will solve your problems, BUT... I recommend trying Kratom. I also have schizoid tendancies, but for me this plant has worked many times better than anything I might get from my doctor in helping to mitigate the more negative aspects of this personality. It may give you a motivation to engage more properly with the world and get the ball rolling with the positive cycle of behaviour-thought-feeling and so on. Of course if you are full-blown diagnosed SPD then this probably will not work.
I know this isn't lit related but just trying to help, best of luck anons.

>> No.13905348

>>13904127
This guy is my inspo

>> No.13905595

I just read the symptoms and WTF can I self diagnose mysel as a schizoid?

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>>13904282

There is nothing wrong.

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>> No.13905993

>>13905678
Here's your (you). Also kys and have sex. In that order.

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>>13904403
I was diagnosed Schizoid but never suspected a thing; even when knowing full well what SPD entails beforehand. But after some white coat told me I had this "disorder" it just clicked. Like oh right maybe it's not really normal to never yearn for connection. It just never occurred to me that that was what I had. I knew 'something' was off but I thought it was autism or something like AVPD. So I really doubt anyone could suspect they have a personality disorder and get their diagnosis right. Or maybe they do suspect correctly and I was just in denial. Who knows? Not me.

>> No.13906489

>>13906142
Does experiencing sexual desire constitute yearning for connection, when you don't care about the connection one could build during it? If not, I'm pretty sure I've got SPD. People that know me simply assume that I'm simply mildly autistic though.

>> No.13906795

>>13904465
If you were really schizoid you wouldn't care that much what society thought lmao

>> No.13906851

>>13906489
Personally I've never wanted to have sex. But I don't know if that's because I just don't care enough to get any or if the possibility of getting to too close to someone gets in the way. Another telltale sign (for me at least) was the inability to articulate emotions. Not that I--or schizoids in general--don't feel anything ever in the entire course of our lives, but it is exceptionally hard to connect language to something as vague as the waves of emotion. So, if you are really curious/worried about being schizoid I would see a therapist because I'm far from being an expert in SPD. Hardly even an expert in myself.

>> No.13907119

I flip between completely flat emotions and really rich emotions, often in response to art, but sometimes it's just these Joycean epiphanies in response to insignificant moments. Sometimes I can literally feel the dopamine flowing, but that's not when something good happens, it's when I realise that as long as there are as few people around and in my mind as possible I know what I like and value and am prepared to be myself even if that means being volcel (I say volcel because I've never remotely tried) which society would hate, but as soon as people enter my mind it can cause a massive swing of hatred for either them or myself, sometimes neither of those happen and there's just nothing. I don't know how Americans live past 16 with guns freely available.

>> No.13907233

>God I wish I were schizoid, that would make me so unique, so exempt

>> No.13907909

>>13907233
this

>> No.13907923

>>13904171
lmao. what are you even talking about? schizoids are known for having extremely rich inner lives. kafka and lovecraft were probably schizoids. you people literally just talk out of your ass and act like you're some kind of authority. it's so bizarre.

>> No.13907940

>>13904171
why would you describe people suffering from a mental disorder strongly associated with fantasy and introspection as being "incapable of creation"? that's like objectively the opposite of the case, like literally from a clinical perspective.

>> No.13907983

>>13904416
far east asia doesn't even have a concept of "schzoid" and they don't treat the symptoms as a sign of illness, it's just that in the west being extroverted and social is the default that anything that diverges from it is a disorder
probably has something to do with population density