/lit/ - Literature

I swear faggots from here who don't like women writers must be fucked in the head because there are certainly good women writers.

>>13901424
George is a boy's name tho.

>>13901438
>what is a pen name

>>13901434
Nope

Emily Bronte is best women writer

>>13901455
Yes. You just hate women because you're part of the School of Resentment.

Why are all good female writers dykes?

>>13901482
Because non-dyke women are too busy being sluts to write

>>13901490
Because non-dyke women were too busy working in the kitchen to write

>>13901482
Because they have manlier brains

>>13901496
no such thing

>>13901450
>he gives his pen a name
wow, how lame.

>>13901503
Learn biology

>>13901506
>not giving names to your instruments
cringe

>>13901517
I know biology. Women can't have men brains.

>>13901424
I'll take the bait but rather than go down this course; can you name some great novels from women that wasn't in English, French nor Russia?

>>13901527
They can have brains that develop more similarly to how male brains typically develop

>>13901539
>Don't kick yourself down you have the world to do that for you, just produce and shut up.

>>13901424
oks.

>>13901519
What did you name yours?

>>13901546
What did he mean by this

>>13901548
Penny Dreadful

>>13901547
oaks*, but I think the cover art features a different type of tree.

>>13901462
Close, but Middlemarch is superior to Wuthering Heights in my eyes and I think Woolf has a claim also. Annoyingly enough, Austen is considered the best my most though.

>>13901559
>Annoyingly enough, Austen is considered the best my most though.
She isn't. Woolf is superior.

>>13901552
Lame.

>>13901568
why are you so mean?

>>13901532
No, but neither can I name any that are male lol. Those are the three best literary canons out there easily

>>13901564
I 100% agree. Our opinions seem to be in the minority though.

>>13901465
There’s no woman who would make the top 100

>>13901532
there are novels by Russian female writers??

>>13901588
T. Hasn't read Adam Bede or Flannery Oconnor

>>13901576
It's mildly playful meanness at best. I would never mean for real.

>>13901588
Virginia Woolf in the novel section easily. Dickinson in the lyrical poetry section. Shelley in the genre section.

>>13901583
What about German or Latin or Greek? And if you aren’t talking about languages, but places, what about the US?

>>13901532
Elena Ferrante

>>13901559
Austen is just chick lit with decent prose.

>>13901598
Frankenstein was mostly written by her husband

>>13901612
Got any proof?

>>13901612
Misogynist propaganda.

>>13901424
I'm not sure why this board has such a hate boner for women writes. You faggots do realize that they were more like us than modern male normies, right?

>>13901434
This. Why do they do it? They write off women writers as Toni Morrisons, Rupi Kaurs, and JK Rowlings when there are perfectly good Murasaki Shikibus, Emily Dickinsons, and Virginia Woolfs (Virginia Woolves?) out there.

>>13901629
They subscribe to the concept that women are by nature intellectually inferior to men and can't learn more skills than it takes to change diapers or work the kitchen.

>>13901599
Those are the philosophy/theology languages, I feel. Not so much the /lit/ languages imo. And yes, I include American lit in the English category (inb4 triggered liberals)

Wtf /lit/ im reading pride and prejudice and this shit is mad good, you guys said women writers were bad! Wtf

>>13901434
It's a meme, but some socially inept or otherwise incels are too self-affected to recognize it.

>>13901598
Absolute delusion. There are minor male writers better than Woolf

>>13901737
Name 5.

>George
>women

It's kinda sad that every time there is a thread on an amazing novel that happens to be written by a woman, this is usually the responses. This it /lit/ anon, not on of the other boards on here.

>implying this is a woman

>>13902229
Looool she does look pretty manly there
Audibly kekd

>>13902229
that's your average Northern European woman. still a woman, though.

>>13901811
I don't think /lit/ will ever be a place to seriously discuss female authors, it's just one of the boards big blind spots

>>13901612
Completely fabricated. While I think most agree that her husband was a much superior wordsmith, there is no evidence of the claim. He most likely helped in certain parts. Such a shame he died so young.

>>13901532
Liliana Bodoc, argentinian novelist.

>>13901465
School of Resentment would like women authors though, Harold Bloom’s point is they attack the established canon because it leaves women and minority voices underrepresented.

>>13903247
No, his point is that the School of Resentment pushes for women writers of terrible quality merely because of their sex. He has no problem with women writers of literary quality like Dickinson, Woolf, Austen, and Eliot (all of which he discusses in The Western Canon and devotes a chapter to each). Hating women just because they're women is what the School of Resentment would do. For Bloom, aesthetics trumps ideology every time.

>>13901634
>Murasaki Shikibus, Emily Dickinsons, and Virginia Woolfs
Only three women in the history of literature are worth reading.

>>13902251
>>13901811
>>13901629

Hello R*ddit/D*scord

>>13902229
Oscar Wilde look like THAT?

>>13903295
+Eliot-- and she's contender for GOAT. Dickinsons is my favorite poet.

>>13901434
name 10

>>13903337
Not an argument, faggot.

>>13903295
This is a terrible take anon and you should feel bad. Just a yikes all around.

>>13903362

It's technically not impossible for them to write well per se, it's just that it's such an anomaly that whenever it happens, people parade it around as a proof that the rule of thumb that women can't write doesn't apply.

After about 3000 years, the whole population of Earth managed to create about 2 dozen female writers worth writing home about. How impressive.

Not to mention that these women are usually way more Apollonian than the average woman, moreso than the average male writer tends towards the Dionysian compared to his peers.

The revulsion shown towards female writers is nothing more than a symptom of how pozzed the publishing industry is. Everybody knows that women, especially ethnic women, have a ridiculously easy time getting published compared to most male writers.

Somebody linked a guy's experiment a while ago where he, a white male, got responses from roughly 10% of the publishers he sent out his draft to, while his indian female pseudonym got 44% for the same draft.

Had the publishing industry, and Academia in general, not lost the goodwill of men by publishing subpar material solely because it was written by minorities and women, and by actively promoting politically fashionable material that demonizes them, nobody would treat them in such bad faith.

This phenomenon didn't come out of nowhere.

I'm ESL so excuse my English.

>>13903429
Based anon. Actually wrote out an argument to the other hipster anon. WP.

>>13901564
>Woolf
>better than my waifu Emily Bronte and based George Eliot
Pls

>>13903429
What does that have to do with anything we said? We were talking about discussing the good books by women writers, however rare or scarce they be, and about /lit/'s irrational and School of Resentment tier hatred for women writers. Literally who gives a shit about the current publishing industry or academia? You're fighting ghosts here, faggot.

>>13903480
Can you even read? I never mentioned them. I mentioned Austen, for suck's sake.... And this is the literature board? We're fucked.

>>13903517
NO SHE IS NOT

This book sucks gay dick though. "We be a a'marchin' them o'er where 'aught got no shellin' for 'us" literally the entire book is written like this, it's fucking unreadable.

>>13903565
Sorry, lad, but Woolf is better than Austen.

>>13903347
I don't think anyone could name 10 male authors that /lit/ would like.

>>13903429
>average male writer tends towards the Dionysian compared to his peers.
What does it mean? More feminine?

>>13901434
Some are actually bad and benefiting from a sort of retroactive affirmative action, but yes, there are good, even great female authors.

>>13903598
As long as they are ancient Greeks or long dead poets, maybe.

>>13903429
>After about 3000 years, the whole population of Earth managed to create about 2 dozen female writers worth writing home about. How impressive.

Women are weak and always forced to do work. Even in the last few decades women still do nearly all the house work and raise the children, so of course there will be a lot less good women authors. Obviously part of it is genetic, but if 1 in 1,000 men can be good at something, and 1 in 10,000 women, you still won't end up with a 10:1 ratio of good men and women writers because women have less opportunity.

>>13903589
I am schizophrenic. I apologise, friend.

>>13901559
Woolf is good aesthetically but kind of a bitch and isn’t that empathetic, some of her characters are obviously written as punching bags for her personal hangups and grudges

>>13903602
Male writers tend to be more passionate and emotional than the average men, women are more logical and in control of themselves than the average woman. It's because you need both to write, and I'll let you guess which sex leans more towards which tendency.

>>13903602
Not exactly, but one could put it that way as well.

>>13903611
Physical strength has nothing to do with literary prowess and men worked more/harder since time immemorial.

Where there's a will there's a way.

>>13903618
wtf I love Virginia Woolf now

>>13903627
So you're saying... what are you saying?

>>13901799
heh heh heh

>>13903628
>Physical strength has nothing to do with literary prowess and men worked more/harder since time immemorial.
You completely dodged his point about women not having time to write because they were busy doing domestic chores, raising children, and other nonsense. "A woman must have money and a room of her own if she is to write fiction." or so said Virginia Woolf and she was right.

>>13903628
It's not that women are forced to work harder but they're forced to do unimportant work. Men haven't really had it much better though. It's more like anyone needs a bit of money and freetime to be able to write.

>>13903627
>Male writers tend to be more passionate and emotional than the average men
Is this something you're only born with?

>>13903687
I think it has a lot to do with life experience too. If you're an adult it might take a major life event to push you in that direction though, don't know any particular advice for making that happen.

>>13903627
Sounds like a Yin & Yang thing.

>>13903693
Doesnt that depend on inborn sensitivity?

>>13903768
We don't have any real way of measuring the exact extent which traits are natural and which they're nurtured. The brain is capable of learning and changing a lot even in adulthood.

>>13901424
Adam bede Is the name of the novel

>>13903780
Sure its much easier to learn mechanical aspect of writing

Is it really so hard for people to grasp that pic related is how gender differences work (in most cases anyway). Everyone keeps talking in categorical terms.

>>13903347
1. Emily Bronte
2. Ayn Rand
3. Virginia Woolf
4. I hate niggas who haven’t made it past “c”

>>13901462
She wasn't even the best Bronte

>>13903799
I'm sorry I'm a woman so I can't understand this, please explain.

>>13903804
>Ayn Rand

>>13903812
not him, but men are more likely to have both a below average and above average IQ than women are. women tend to congregate around the mean

>>13903822
People also misinterpret this and think men generally congregate around those extremes and women never do, when all that statistic states is a matter of degree. Most men are average and men at extremes are rare, women at extremes are just more rare.

>>13903812
There's a lot more variation in the male population than in the female. If we talk about intelligence, the average seems to be the same for both sexes, but there's a lot more really stupid men than women but there's also way more genius men than women.

>>13903829
That's what a normal distribution is.

>>13903821
>he hasn’t read anthem
Back to the gutters of reality with you

>>13903347
>>13903804

Not really in order, but here are a few. English mostly, not surprising. I feel like I am missing a few. Some of these are kind of pushing it I know.

Emily Brontë
George Eliot
Elizabeth Browning
Flannery O'Connor
Sappho
Murasaki Shikibu
Charlotte Brontë
Edith Wharton
Jane Austen
Virginia Woolf
Emily Dickinson
Mary Shelley
Simone de Beauvoir
Isabel Allende
Harper Lee
Stella Gibbons
Elena Ferrante
Sylvia Plath
Agatha Christie

>>13903926
>Harper Lee

>>13903929
>Truman Capote fan that is still seething that her one novel was more than anything he ever accomplished

>>13903944
>one novel
She has a second one now and it fucking sucks.

>>13901532
Anything by Rosalía de Castro

>>13902336
Please no, at least say Aurora Venturini or Hebe Uhart

>>13903926
>Isabel Allende

Marilynne Robinson is a very underrated writer. I've only read pic related but it's such a great book

Good old "Woolf, Eliot, etc." thread... Always so convincing indeed.

>>13901434
Hard mode: name 5 female philosophers, not contemporary

>>13901742
the author of Peter Wilkins, Thomas Hardy, Lord Dunsany, Walter Savage Landor, Theodore Dreiser