/lit/ - Literature

Best PKD book? Read DADOES? and liked it.

first for this general has become shit

>>13898049
That isn't true. It's simply that you've finally come to accept that. It's always been as such.

>>13898048
I liked We Can Remember it for you Wholesale. Totally different from the movie Total Recall except for the tiddies

>>13895854
T E D Klein as requested.
https://mega.nz/#F!Os9SGAbT!NiQaA9PB5ajJRFZCkJMvdA

>>13898054
Someone just unironically posted this as the best books of the last decade and got a lot of support:
A Little Hatred by Joe Abercrombie (2019)
Rage of Dragons by Evan Winter (2018)
Prince of Thorns by Mark Lawrence (2011)
Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson (2010)
Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss (2007)
Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch (2006)
The Black Prism by Brent Weeks (2010)
This is a new low in my eyes. Compared to this normie storm even the conan poster is less cancerous

Is Togashi a better fantasy writer than Homer?

>>13898081
yes unironically

sbadagadva asd afa

>>13898048
>>13898059
What I've read of PKD
Are they different from the average reader?
They may well be.
I've looked at every novel available, but these are the ones I finished.

NOVELS

GOOD
A Maze of Death
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said
The Game-Players of Titan

OK
Clans of the Alphane Moon
Galactic Pot-Healer
Martian Time-Slip
Solar Lottery
Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch
Ubik
Vulcan's Hammer

MEH
A Scanner Darkly
Crack in Space
Dr. Futurity
The Penultimate Truth

BLAH
Counter-Clock World
Man in the High Castle
The Unteleported Man
The Zap Gun


SHORT STORIES

GOOD
The Skull
The King of the Elves
The Exit Door Leads In

OK
Impostor
Second Variety
The Crystal Crypt
We Can Remember It for You Wholesale
Faith of Our Fathers
The Electric Ant

MEH
Beyond Lies the Wub
The Variable Man
Paycheck
The Defenders
Adjustment Team
Autofac
Foster, You're Dead!
The Minority Report
A Game of Unchance
Precious Artifact
A Little Something for Us Tempunauts
I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon
Rautavaara's Case


BLAH
Roog
Upon the Dull Earth
Beyond the Door
The Days of Perky Pat

>>13898076
>got a lot of support
It got 3 replies.
2 laughed at it and 1 said it was someone baiting, which I guess you took the bait, hook line, and sinker.

Based or not based? Looking for some Horror reading and I've yet to read anything of Mr. Simmons', but this was recommended by a trustworthy source.

>>13898076
He was giving recommendations based on the fact that the guy reads Drizzt and Dragonlance stuff you utter retard. Go read your uncradled stories while the big boys talk about robots and wizards and shit.

>>13898102
I don't think it was bait. He was just a newfag.

>>13898129
>13 year old enjoys Drizzt
>let's recommend this 23 year old some utter garbage so he can pollute /sffg/

>>13898127
>almost 600 pages
Nevermind. I withdraw my query.

>>13898133
What makes you think he was 13?

>>13898145
The fact that he enjoyed Drizzt and Dragonlance

>>13898127
Read some horror anthologies if you want shorter works.

>>13898127
https://www.worldswithoutend.com/lists_horror100.asp

>>13898074
thanks!

>>13898076
what are your best books of the last decade?

>>13898133
If the shoe fits...

>>13898076
If someone asks for recommendations that's been out of the game for 10+ years, you give them a list of the most popular and mainstream stuff out there to get his toes wet. Chances are he'll enjoy a good amount of those books based on the fact that he liked Forgotten Realms and DragonaLance. If he doesn't, oh well, no big deal. But you don't drop someone in the deep end right away, that's the best way to turn them off from a genre. Telling them unironically to read your shitty webnovels and ebooks and self published self-insert litRPG while deriding them for reading the popular stuff is just 4chan to the absolute Ts. He wanted a recommendation of books similar to the ones he's already read, I gave him a list of the most popular books similar to the ones he's read. As far as I can tell you've yet to actually give him a recommendation, you just insult others for their recommendations and then try to not-so-subtle peddle that Will Wright garbage.

>>13898552
this lmao.

My request appears to have awoke a best... i’ve Never expected it lol

I guess shared worlds like Dragonlance aren’t being written anymore, aren’t they?

>>13898145
And yes I was 15 back then. Was it so obvious?

>>13898574
Not really, no. Forgotten Realms is essentially dead, the only thing that gets written anymore are Drizzt novels. Dragonlance has been dead for a while. Outside of those two I can't really think of anything else in Fantasy that's still going. Sci-Fi/Fantasy you'll have stuff like the Warhammer universe or Star Wars books, but even then not really. Shared worlds have sort of died off in the last decade, which is a shame.

>>13898552
Yeah, let's teach Hunger Games at school literature classes to get children's toes wet. Let's not turn them off from reading with Steinbeck and Hesse.
I haven't even read Will Wight, and the only webnovel I have read is mother of learning.
>>13898391
On top of my head?
Grace of Kings, Liu
Kraken, Mieville
Borne, Vandermeer
The Land Across, Wolfe
The Buried Giant, Ishiguro
Monster Portraits, Samatars
The Dragon Griaule, Shapard

>>13898681
>comparing a genre fiction general to a classroom

>>13898725
>implying genre fiction has no literary value

>>13898681
Man, you're inferring a lot of shit that I didn't say. I never said to teach Hunger Games at school, but if you're gonna use Steinbeck and Hesse then you should understand that they're more or less the Sanderson/Weeks/Abercrombies of their time. The widely popular, incredibly easy to read stories.

You're also an idiot for about a dozen different reasons, most of which I won't get into. But I will get into one big point. He's already expressed the kinds of books he enjoyed. If someone told me they liked YA novels about dystopian futures with a female protagonist I'd probably tell them to start with Hunger Games and go from there. Because that's what they like, and that's what will ease them back into things. You, on the other hand, hear the books he's read in the psat, and go "nah fuck that those books are trash", insult his age, insult his intelligence, and then insult the people that are willing to actually give him a list without drawing it out for two threads until you come up with a list "off the top of your head".

You're not fooling or impressing anyone, bud. Anyone with half a brain can see right through your insecurities and childishness, and all we see is a sad, lonely little boy who got picked on for reading dumb sword and sorcery books as a youth and is still carrying that burden 10+ years later.

>>13898736
>implying anything in fantasy has any literary value
its 99.999995% schlock my man. the sooner you understand that, the sooner you'll actually enjoy the genre for what it is.

>>13898746
>more or less the Sanderson/Weeks/Abercrombies of their time
Oh nonononononono

>>13898751
>he didn't get to the next sentence where I clarify that they were widely popular and incredibly easy to read, just like Sanderson/Weeks/Abercrombie

Who would have thought on /lit/ people would have a problem with reading comprehension

>>13898756
>admit you are a newfag in the last thread
>"we"
>"anyone"

>>13898736
It can happen but limiting to that is exclusionary to the point of redundancy.

>>13898756
Anyways, I have some many problems with that post, and the fact that you implied Glass Bead game is an "incredibly easy to read story" is somehow not the biggest of them. Even ignoring the irony of you lying about me insulting someone else while insulting me, your attitude is all wrong
>>13898750
In a sea of shit, o long as I find diamonds, I am going to chase those diamonds instead of being stuck in the shitRPG.

>>13898750
Personally I split schlock and nonschlock 50/50. But my schlock is still not as autistic as what Sarah J Fatass writes

>>13898765
So because I've been here only roughly a month or two that means I can't see right through your bullshit, and that others can't see right through your bullshit as well?

Brother I could see through all the psuedo-intellectual bullshit the very first time I came into this thread, doesn't take any real amount of time to discern how insecure you lot are. See: how often you shit on people for liking 'popular' fantasy.

>>13898817
>insecure you lot are
So just leave the general, you are polluting the thread

>>13898817
No, but that means you can only speak for yourself, and any mention of "we" while not even understanding /sffg/ culture and memes is stupid.
Shitting on people who like popular stuff is my mission in life. Fuck circlejerks and fuck Sanderson and fuck Stephen King and fuck Hunger Games and fuck Rothfuss. Their books make less sense than most self-published elf-insert harems. Daniel Black is a stupid book, but Mr. Black still makes more sense than Vin (whose only redeeming quality is her feet).
Anyway, imagine being so insecure that you have to call anyone who prefers Wolfe over Sanderson "pseudo-intellectual".

>>13898824
Oh, so it's perfectly ok for you to shit all over someones opinion, but when someone shits on your opinion, they better leave the thread for polluting it. Totally makes sense, you're not completely biased or up your own ass or anything.

Thing is, there are people on here that are ok with talking about Fantasy, whether it be good fantasy or bad fantasy. You're too up your own ass making sure people aren't reading what they want to read and are only reading what you think they should read. Maybe YOU should leave the thread, so we can actually talk about whatever Fantasy we want without people like you mocking it for not being part of the 4chan-approved-list-of-Fantasy.

>>13898824
>called out
>polluting the thread
toplel

>>13898846
>No, but that means you can only speak for yourself, and any mention of "we" while not even understanding /sffg/ culture and memes is stupid.
You can figure out the "culture and memes" within a single post. There's a handful of you that absolutely hate the new wave of popular Fantasy, and constantly go out of your way to shit on it. The rest of us are just over here enjoying our books.
Pic related, it's literally you and the half a dozen others.

>>13898852
Not related to what you read. I have no stake in this discussion, but you are ridiculing the entire general. So why not just leave? Once a while a newfriend like you comes along and starts dictating the way we should act and it gets annoying.

>>13898872
I'm ridiculing the half a dozen of you that shit up every single /sffg/ thread I've seen in the past two months over your petty hatred of popular fantasy writers like Abercrombie, Weeks, Sanderson, Lynch, and Rothfuss.
The other 40+ people that are in and out of this thread are fine. There's a handful of you that are absolutely insufferable in every single thread, and I'm sick and tired of seeing you guys mock and shit all over peoples opinions specifically because they don't hold schlock genre fiction in the highest regards of literature like you seem to.

>>13898870
Everytime Sanderson is mentioned at least 5 poeple screech and 1 person says he thinks he's OK

>>13898885
>40+ people

>>13898898
I've yet to see one that has less than 50 posters by the time it archives. 50-6=44. 44>40. Ergo, 40+

Why didn’t he finish the tourney in one book..... eta to next?

oh my god shut the fuck up you faggots. holy shit please shut up

rereading night's dawn trilogy

>His neural nanonics reported a localized communication-frequency carrier wave switching on, and he just managed to datavise a response prohibition order into his suit transponder beacon as the interrogation code was transmitted.
i remember i almost dropped the book at this sentence. glad i didn't. what a fun ride. these books were like all the best parts of wheel of time condensed into three books but for sci-fi. the start was bumpy as hell though

>away for two threads
>come back
>dinos talking about his shit books and spitting on anything new
>a faggot that doesn't even read using "we" to include the entire general in disliking something (when just like it was 5 years ago, we that actually read don't feel like wasting time memeing and arguing with some that didn't even read the books. They feel that because there is a vocal minority that he speaks for the general)
>everyone that doesn't read boring tomes is will wight now
>self published is now the boogie man of the general and traditional publishing (which is all sounding the same these days and pushing pandering agendas) should be treasured (why do I feel you work for the publishing industry? Maybe you're that conanfag, who actually works as a cover designer and leaked your own work in here a few months ago. If traditional publishing dies, you out of a job)
>e/lit/ists see that outer lit is a lost cause with all the philosophicalfags and rollie pollies invading and are trying to colonize sffg to their tastes, talking about literary value, we (true sffg users, not outer lit invaders) never talked about that shit seriously (even when we liked gene wolfe it was never mentioned that he is the standard to aspire to in our readings, it's just that his stories are nuanced and well written, with tonnes of hidden meanings)
>I didn't get to give my chart to the anon asking for good books of the past 10 years
>the no-read-fags talk about degenerate works and harem, when many of the classics I read over the years did shit that would have harem readers blushing (yet my self published chart is smut incarnate, even though there is a fucking disclaimer at the bottom)

>>13899211
you're not very good at writing and getting your point across.
i know it might seem like i'm a troll but i'm really not. i could tell you where you went wrong in your spiel if you want. the only reason i didn't do it right now is to ask you if you're willing to take criticism from me. you'd probably hate the kind of person i am and might not be willing to accept my criticism. so i didn't want to type the whole thing out if you were just going to ignore it.

anyway, should i tell you where i think you went wrong?

>>13899211
The only thing that's changed lately is the guy who's been here less than a month claiming that Sanderson is as good as Wolfe because all fantasy is trash.

>>13899275
With reading comprehension like that no wonder all you do is shitpost in /sffg/

>>13899211
Based Conanchad living in this bugman's head RENT FREE.

>>13898076
You fucking weeb chink I hope you choke on a litrpg novel and just fucking die in your face

>>13899256
Anon, I've read every single post of this general since day one.... The pol, the v, the rebbit, it doesn't matter, even when I don't like the topic I read because it's more knowledge for me.

Post what you will. I know my thoughts are jumbled, I was going to start from the previous thread and reply to all the bad, but it was too much. So I decided to make a general denouncement, but inbetween I got mixed up and went back to expound on a few points, when I finished I lost half the points I had in my head to post.

Recently finished these, these get mentioned here much? thoughts?
Found certain parts very good, Gwenna and Valyn were easily my favourites. Found Kaden a bit dry and Adare largely detestable for the most part. Was also disappointed to see that Pierre of all characters got a spinoff prequel despite being an empty vessel compared to other side characters like the Flea or il Tornja.

>>13899386
thought you were ignoring me.
you seem to know what was wrong, so there's no need for me to post. it's siesta time here so i'm about to turn in. writing a critique post like that seems too ambitious to my sleep mind now
i might check the thread when i wake up. i'm currently inbetween books, you seem like an alright kid, could you post a few recs? i'll check them out when i wake up.

>>13899211
Howard always looks like al capone

>>13899211
In other words, business as usual.

>actually enjoy a hyped up new release for once
>go to log it on goodreads and top reviews are girls shitting on it
lol, the book had a unique and interesting setting and then there's people complaining about "worldbuilding" because the author didn't do the Sanderson thing of explaining everything like it's in a fucking table or chart

>>13899423
Ill read it next.

>>13898750
>big boy books are dumb too so stop making fun of my YA novels

>>13899430
One thing I didn't like is that it does dip into informal modern speech/slang quite a bit. It's set in a nonspecific scifi future so characters talking like it's exactly 2016 is a bit weird

>>13899436
>big boy books
>fantasy
pick one

>>13899275
Sanderson used to be okay, but with the publishing or the third stormlight book you see that he is being influenced by the publisher and rebbit, and it's fucking up his story.
What is worse is that he is writing YA shit (because it sells), and his other books are suffering. Instead of improving as an author, he is stagnating and regressing.

Also. Not because Wolfe and Sanderson are both Christfags authors and insert a lot of symbolism into their works means that they are similar.
They are on different spectrums of the genre wavelength. Wolfe writes for his books to be classics at a later date. Sanderson writes for fun with pop culture references. Both are entertaining in their own way. One is popcorn and home afterwards, the other is sitting quietly and sipping wine and discussing after.
This is from someone who read both Sanderson and Wolfe, and likes both modern and older books(that actually ages well and isn't boring shit).

>>13899423
that's amazing. it's like they put everything that would turn me off a book on one small cover.

>>13899401
>and Adare largely detestable for the most part
If your reaction when finishing that novel isn't FUCK ADARE, and instead you find her "largely detestable", then you don't belong here.

>>13899423
Ironically I'm looking forward to reading a book that also has Gideon in the title that's coming out in a week or so.

>>13899462
>you don't belong here because you don't agree 100% with us, only 90%.
/sffg/ in a nutshell ladies and gents.

>>13899404
Anon, if you didn't get the gist from my post, I'm the chartfag anon. I'm the one that compiles the best of what I read from the sea of shit that is the book industry.

>>13899211
>pic
>all these old white men
It's true that the publishing world is old white men then?

>>13899450
>lgbt
>necromancer
>Charles Stross
>nobels in a bad light
>female author
>person on cover holding a sword
>has to defeat big bad deathless ruler
What else you didn't like?

>>13899469
You are probably some sjw cunt who thinks that what adare did was right and just. Kys. I'm not even joking. If scum like you believe in that bitch and think it was justified, then you are the problem with the world. An hero.

>>13899491
no, you summed it up pretty nicely. in fact you ascribed more complexity to me than i deserved. what it actually was was
>>lgbt
>>female author
>>person on cover holding a sword
what you didn't mention was
>exclamation marks in review quote
>terrible cringe ass cover art

>>13899401
Loved the ketteral stuff. Anyone know of any other special forces stuff in a fantasy context?

>>13899497
jokes on you, i havent even read the books, nor am i the person you were originally replying to. but thanks for proving my point.

Just want a decent story where the protagonist goes full on villain without some half assed attempt of redemption in the end.

>>13898574
Wild cards is still going, that's about it

>>13898846
>Only redeeming quality is her feet
Kek

>>13899364
Based

>>13899442
Anon, we went over this all last thread and you got thoroughly btfo. Just drop it, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>13899401
Valyn was a good boy and critically underused. Fuck Adare, that Mary Sue, everything works out for me, fratricidal cunt. I will never not be mad.

>>13898048
Ubik or Scanner Darkly but they're all so good it's hard to choose.

>>13899543
>I will comment on a book I haven't even read and have no idea of the context
>thanks for proving my point that people comment on shit they haven't even read and I'm just here to meme and get (you)s without adding anything of value to any discussion

>>13899503
I was going to mention the bones all around trying to project a grimdark feel, but I don't know if you are one of those that screeches anytime grim and dark are mentioned next to each other.

>>13899531
Not to that level.
You mostly have mercs and soldiers. Which might have to draw from their forces to do a sneak job, but no pure fantasy marines I can recall.

>>13899545
Self published, litrpg or litrpg like elements.
If you want I can give you some.

>>13899545
Urth of the New Sun

Is there anything new worth reading? OP's charts are old as fuck and i've read 99.9% of them.

>>13898148
>Not liking based Dragonlance

>>13899885
i liked ed mcdonad's raven's mark series

>>13899275
Based

Who writes fight sequences and combat better than R.A. Salvatore?

Has anybody read anything by vox day? I've heard mixed reviews, but I trust you niggers more than the trannies that rule the rest of the internet

>>13899892
Basedlin

What is the best standalone Fantasy book you know /sffg/?
Lately I just don't have the attention span to read any of those 5+ book series, I just want a good story told in a single book, two books at most.
Any setting is fine, though I do prefer medieval, cliche as it is.

Is 11/22/63 the best book from King? I want to read through something of his just because he's such a huge author, but most his more supernatural and spooky shit seems really cringeworthy. This one seemed like maybe the most interesting and solid story. Should I do it?

>>13900137

Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel

>>13900148

I found it too repetitive, had some great moments like when the teacher tried to stop the guy killing his family and the Of Mice and Men play but it is becoming far too repetitive for my liking.

>>13900137
Lions of Al Rassan - Guy Gavriel Kay
The Golem and the Jinni - Helene Wecker
The Scar - China Meiville
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell - Susanna Clarke

>>13900148
I'd still say I like The Stand most out of everything I've read but that was a very long time ago. Either way I still enjoyed 11/22/63.

>>13900171

I love China Mieville's universe but could you really consider his works stand alone giving that a lot of characters overlap from previous novels? Only read Perdido Street Station but I loved it.

>>13900182
eh I thought about it but it's some pretty loose connections beyond the setting itself. by all means read all the bas-lag books though.

>>13900196

I have City and the City along with the one about trains and Golems so I'll give those two a read next. I feel like he's quite underrated and doesn't get enough appreciation. His Bas Lag universe is quite original and I like how he didn't go for the cheap Tolkien knock off setting like every other fantasy writer usually does. His works seemed to have been inspired by Peake who I love quite a lot probably why I liked Perdido

>>13898127
>>13898136
You should give it a try, much better than most Stephen King.

>>13900148
If you're only going to read one to get a grasp of the guys body of work make it the unabridged version of The Stand. Want something shorter? Read The Gunslinger

>>13900182
Speaking of mieville have you read the city and the city? I was looking for fantasy crime and that showed up. Is it like a police procedural or more like da vinci code?

>>13900270

See >>13900201

>>13900270
police procedural

>>13900137
War of the Flowers.

>>13899885
>i've read 99.9% of them.
That seems unlikely, even if you only mean the SFF charts.

I increasingly feel compelled to read the most mentioned books in these threads to provide my opinion.

>>13899885
If you like litrpg or schlocky fantasy books you'll really enjoy pic related. Really original and fast paced

>>13900137
>>13900292
Seconding this. War of the Flowers was fucking based

>>13900148
King’s best work is Salem’s lot.

>>13900153
>>13900171
>Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell
Oh yeah, I've been meaning to read that, thanks for reminding me it exists.
All the others in >>13900171 sound pretty good too; I've never read Guy Gavriel Kay but a lot of people praise his prose.

>>13900292
>>13900582
Someone recommended this to me when I asked about books related to faeries, which is also something that I'm very interested in. I'll check it out too, the premise sounds pretty good.

scientist chapter fucked me up
otherwise a very nice read

Picked up recently The Space Merchants and The Black Cloud, for some reason I mistook The Black Cloud for The Purple Cloud but it still sounds like an interesting book any anons read either? I hope Space Merchants isn't too dated. Sounds fun.

>>13900137
Three Hearts and Three Lions
Dark World by Henry Kuttner

>>13900137
The Broken Sword
Mask of the Sorcerer

What are some books about Shortstacks?

>>13900894
Pic not related obviously.
For anything fetishy like that as a central plot point, you'll going to have to go into disreputable works such as erotica or LitRPG.

>>13900910
>disreputable works such as erotica
But muh GRR MARTIN

>>13898076
Is Name of the Wind as good as people say? I need something to read.

>>13900828
>Three Hearts and Three Lions
I've had my eye on this one for a while.
How does the whole parallel universe thing work out? Does it go back and forth between the two?

>>13898885
While you're not entirely wrong, Abercrombie does suck donkey dick though.

>>13898090
>Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said
This is a really underappreciated PKD book.

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2096455077

>>13900655
The title is somewhat ironic. It's more like a beatnik fairytale
>>13901051
It's not as bad as people say. It will probably never be finished though.
>>13901087
I like Abercrombie. His books have a good sense of humor.

>>13900153
>>13900171
Why does Susanna Clarke get spared from the
>female author
meme?
Not saying she shouldn't be, I'm just curious.

>>13901182

Clarke is actually pretty talented and deserves way more recognition than JK Rowling. I think Strange releasing at the time of one of the Harry Potter books kind of killed the hype around Jonathan Strange but the BBC series has giving it some good exposure.

>>13901182
Most female fantasy and science fiction authors are writing YA nowadays, Susanna Clarke is one of the very few exceptions who are writing in a more Victorian style in the vein of Charles Dickens or maybe Henry James that has unfortunately fallen out of fashion in fiction (especially genre fiction).

>>13901051
The prose is fantastic, the story is mediocre, but if you read it as a stand alone it's not bad. Don't expect to ever finish as a series, and the second book (and novella) take a serious nose dive in quality.

I believe BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish. My reason for believing this is because I have a foot fetish so I pick up on things most humans do not. Take for instance the ever shitty House of Cards. Now, I do not like this show (House of Cards) but I did sit through 4 seasons of that crap hoping it would get better, and in that time I noticed numerous examples of blatant foot fan service. It is a good fetish to pander to because it occupies a gray area due to the lack of nudity, which is why its perfect for a guy like BRANDON SANDERSON. Reading Mistborn, I can't help but notice how many times we are reminded of Vin's cute bare footedness. She's barefoot on the roof, toes clutching the edge. She's barefoot on cobblestone, only to walk on marble. Vin walked to his bed BAREFOOT, making no sound. Of course the obvious explanation (for the mundane majority of men) is that Vin is a Mistborn -- a thief -- and strives to remain quiet. She has to make lots of sacrifices due to the magneto magic of BRANDON SANDERSON'S world, such as never wearing toe rings or anklets (unless they are wooden or something) but I do not believe this is the sole reason for the foot prose on display in these books. The author (BRANDON SANDERSON) has fueled my spirit with his depiction of Vin. I have a hard time getting through the pages when I keep seeing examples of her beautiful foot-based dexterity, yet its these very passages that push me further on. I see visions of Vin toying with Elend, giving her man a royal footjob that any king would crave with her expertly trained toes. I think about Vin embarrassed, painting her toe nails to match her dress while Zane watches from the window. I think about her wearing glass slippers to show off her new feminine toes at the balls! Oh what a sight to behold! I am not even on the third book so I can't begin to imagine how much footy goodness is still to come. Anyway, these are my reasons for suspecting BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish.

>>13901238
>>13901051

I read it for the fairy sex but wound up really liking the framing device Rothfuss used to switch back and forth between the story. There's some obvious similarities to Harry Potter but aside from that I did like it a lot. Fela tied with Vashet best girls.

>>13901321

I meant back and forth in the story between present day in the Inn and the past with what was going on in Kvothe's life at the university.

>>13900894
>What are some books about Shortstacks?
Scrolled too fast, read it as "about Sleestacks"....

>>13901162
>I like Abercrombie. His books have a good sense of humor.

The only thing that happens in his books is Glokta sucking his gums (approx. 934 times), and every now and then Logen Ninefingers Hulks out.

>>13901437
Thats unironically true

Still finished them for evil gandalf

>>13901534
There's an evil Gandalf in the First Law books?
Maybe I'll check them out.

>>13901032
What does have to do with shortstacks?

Lud in the Mist is 2.50 on Kindle, 7 bucks for a physical copy. Is it worth getting the physical version?

>>13901725
he just spoilt the entire series for you

>>13901796
kek
That would have sucked if I was really looking forward to reading them, I guess.

What's a good book with skeletons (or any type of undead) wielding weapons?

>>13901437
>>13901534
You're forgetting Whirrun and his cheese trap!

>>13901308
Based and solepilled

Are any of the Tolkien books edited by Christopher Tolkien good?
You know, Lays of Beleriand, Book of Lost Tales, Children of Hurin and so on.

>>13901843
Malazan has an entire race of undying cavemen that have been rotting away slowly for 300,000 years.

>>13902117
None of any of the Tolkien books are good, let alone the ones edited by his son.

>protag calls the humans racist bigots against the peaceful mindless monsters

Dropped

>>13902191
was that written by a "white male" or a female of any color?

People don’t read for what they want. They read for who they are.

>>13902182
I mean, you are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else but my question was obviously aimed at people who enjoy Tolkien.
I want to know how the "rescued" texts fare against the ones Tolkien finished editing himself.

If you want a book where
>white guys are weak, stupid and evil
>brown guys are strong and sexy
>girls are smart and capable
Then this book is for you

>>13900137
Vurt - cyberpunk style but fantasy magic
Last Call - tarot based magic, modern setting

if you haven't read them:
The Last Unicorn
A Wizard of Earthsea

>>13902394
>A Wizard of Earthsea
Is the first book somewhat self-contained? I am not opposed to reading something that is technically a series if the books have a conflict that gets resolved in a single entry.
I absolutely loved The Last Unicorn by the way, thanks for the suggestions.

>>13902554
Yeah the first book is a complete story. Honestly I didn't like the second book where the protag of Book 1 only makes a guest appearance. I haven't read the rest but I should probably try the third book where the book is again about the main character from Wizard.

>>13902259
No thank you. Here's an anime image as compensation.

>>13899497
Sorry that 'largely detestable' isn't superlative enough for you, would you be happier if I said she was a 'dumb roastie thot' that I hope dies from a venereal infection or some such?

>>13902554
Earthsea books are very short.

>>13902982
Yes. That would do.
if the other brother killed her as revenge I would have been okay, but he did nothing and walked away. Made me ban myself from any of tbe author's other works.

>>13901843
One of the main characters in Pools of Darkness by James Ward is an undead paladin. he also appears in the sequel Pools of Twilight

>>13898076
Abercrombie's new book is out? How is it?

>>13903192
A tattered and torn copy of Pool of Radiance from a random yard sale was the first fantasy novel I ever read when I was around 10 in 1996. Pic related, I still have it.

>>13903285
I'm a different anon, in this case it wasn't obvious.

>>13903285
>Poo o' Radianc

>>13903285
Cool, I was big into the forgotten realms back then too. What really set me off into f&sf was an 80 year old copy of princess of mars my grandfather gave me. No cover at all, and I still find it hard to believe that it was written a century ago.

>>13898041
What is the best horror book you've ever read?

>>13903416
John Dies at the End by David Wong.

Pretty sure my girlfriend is fucking around on me, bros. Any good cuck fantasy I can read with her new boyfriend?

>>13903463
Come on.

>>13902259
>>13903463

>>13903463
https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/cuckold

>>13903478
>Brown
Just because she's a cheating whore doesn't mean she has no standards

>>13903453
Does John actually die at the end?

>>13903463
The best solution is to cheat on her with him as well.
That'll show her.

What are some series similar in tone to this? Fuck high concept sci-fi, I want fun light reading.

>>13903502
No.
He dies at the beginning.

>>13903521
>Fuck high concept sci-fi
This is why we can't have nice things.

>>13903555
There's a reason hard sci fi is a dead genre.

>>13903562
I know, I am answering to the very same reason.

>>13903576

Id put her in my barn and molk her daily

>>13903614
>molk
Kinky.

>>13903521
Rex Nihilo

>>13898048
I'll go and say it. I think VALIS is the best one.

>>13903463
Name of the wind

>>13903740
It took a while but there it is.

>>13903197
Based Prince Orso but most of the characters are either boring or annoying. Found Savine dan Glokta and Leo dan Brock pretty fucking annoying.

>>13903515
I like the way you think, anon. How do I find out who it is? so I can seduce him
>>13903740
She's already read that one. And the cucking doesn't ramp up until book 2
>>13903746
Who is she?

>>13904230
>Who is she?
Just some girl who used to take miles of dick on screen.
Now she's some sort of an intellectual, the type most of this board is.

Garath lay flat in the tall, green grass on top of the cliff, and the stars twinkled up in the cloudless evening sky. He pushed himself up quietly with his elbows and looked over the edge at the camp below, where four dozen tanned Kedans howled and dined around a raging bonfire in their leather armour and red and white warpaint. They were obviously drunk, but not so that they no longer posed a threat.
He turned and scanned the line of pine trees that made up the forest behind where he lay.

“How long will it take us to return to camp?” he whispered. “Given no resistance.”

“About four hours, I would say, sir,” replied the man with the grey hair.

Four hours to retreat, and another four hours to come back with the rest of the men, but by then the sun would have risen, and the element of surprise would be lost.

Garath loathed the summer. The air was hot and sticky, and the nights short.

“Right.” Garath retreated from the edge, carefully got up onto his feet and let the man with the grey hair get ahead of him as they headed back into the forest whence they had come.

Stohl the scout was a short old man and looked thin even in his baggy tunic and unusually thick layer of leather. His trousers were ragged, and he wore tattered hide boots that seemed too heavy for him, and there was a line of hairlessness, a scar, that ran from the back of his head to the top of his left ear. But somehow Stohl navigated the winding labyrinth of the forest without breaking even a single sweat, and by the way he strode across the uneven ground not once searching for a foothold, Garath could tell that the man had crossed the forest many times before.

He waited until the two of them were far enough away from the enemy camp to speak. “Have you been doing this for a long time, Stohl? You seem to know these woods very well.”

“For as long as I can remember, sir. Perhaps even before you were born.”

“I turn twenty-eight next month.”

“Oh.”

“What is it?”

“You look… very youthful, sir.”

“You mean to say that I still look like a boy?”

“I wouldn’t say that.”

“I have always looked young. That is why I wear my hair tied at the back, to show the scar on my forehead.”

“Yes, yes.” The scout turned back and smiled without slowing. “People always take you more seriously if you are well-scarred, although they shouldn’t.”

“It could equally be a sign of either bravery or stupidity, but never both.”

“Yes indeed, sir.”

“And that is why I carry these also.” Garath reached into his tunic from the top and held up the pair of spectacles that hung on a thin chain around his neck. The legless steel frame and circular lenses glimmered under the moonlight leaking in between the pines.

The scout looked again and laughed.

>>13903197
ehhh. A backdrop of socioeconomic change and disruption that all comes across as a bit on the nose in terms of the conflict it's generating. There are also at least two too many PoVs, I think there are 5?, and out of the ones there I only really found Orso, and to a lesser degree Rikke, interesting.

Beyond industrialisation itself there isn't much tying all the disparate elements together either except for Joe contriving to the throw the characters together by the end, but even then it's mostly for the purposes of interpersonal drama rather than an overarching narrative.

If you like Joe in general though just read it. His style; sardonic tone, dark humour, whatever, is still there if that's your thing. Just with an extra helping of man bashing thrown in on top of everything else.

>>13904444
Soap Opera Fantasy is the worst.

>>13904230

Jewish pornstar sasha grey

Why can't Abercrombie finish a fucking book succinctly? The last 100 pages of A Little Hatred is a chore to read.

Can someone recommend a long fantasy epic that isn't a series? I just want to read one book with a good story that closes in one book.

>>13904310

>plotting the murder of tanned drunks

Yea, thats gonna be a "based" from me,
Though im not sure about the latent homo-erotic subplot that is forming

>>13904649
>long fantasy epic
>that isn't a series
nigga what the fuck you're literally asking for two incompatible things. you can't have a long fantasy epic without it being...well...long and epic.

>>13904632
Because he is Abernormie; what do you expect from edgy Sanderson?

>>13904649

Tigana
The Axe and the Throne

>>13904649
the stand

>>13904649
The Odyssey? asking a lot lad.

>>13904444
Orso
Savine
Rikke
Leo
Gunnar
Clover
Vic

The POV's are a fucking mess.

What is a good fantasy series devoid of romance? I don't want to read about things that remind me of how lonely I am.

>>13904796
jesus yea, a bit out of control

>>13904893
son of the black sword, series not finished yet tho.

>>13900479
Not really because i have lived a lot longer than you and i like reading.

>>13898076
It's a good list and no one has posted any better.

>>13898898

I'm heartbroken, /sffg/. Gimme suggestions as to what to read next. Something preferably long and engaging that would give me minimal space to delve on my heartbreak.

>>13905226
Prince of nothing

>>13899423
that one was kinda boring
i was under the assumption that the main characters would hatefuck each other sooner than later but it kinda just fizzled out in the end

>>13905226
This is How You Lose The Time War :) :) :)

powder mage trilogy any good?

>>13905301
I'd call it decent, it's one of the better fantasy series with the sanderson approach to magic being a system you can clearly explain.

Im looking for a book about a group of heroes adventuring and not about kingdoms and empires something more like lord of the rings and less like asoif

>>13905318
Dragonlance series?

>>13905318
>and not about kingdoms and empires
>something more like lord of the rings
??? Did you forget the whole Man plot from lotr or something?

>>13905301
Sure yeah, 2nd trilogy has been a step up even.

>>13905366
that's Gods of Blood and Powder, right?

>>13905381
Yes

>>13905381
Yea, final part due shortly.

>>13905318
>pic
why are there so few fantasy books with elf love interests?
The Riftwar Saga kinda has it but i don't care about milfs
and don't get me started on Eragon

>>13904649
the wizard knight, technically two but they're short for epic fantasy

>>13905226
i second this >>13905243.

>>13905434
Because elves are creatures of loose morals.

>>13905397
>>13905399
I didn't know it has sequels. Are there more of Taniel and Ka-Poel adventures?

>>13905504
They're a bit less prominent but yea.

>>13901843
>patiently waiting for the Mark Lawrence recommendation

>>13898041
i wish science fiction had its own thread. pisses me off to check out recommendations only to find its fucking sword n dragon n magic shit.

>>13905318
Kings of the wyld

>>13905504
They’re there but they aren’t pov

>>13904721
at least Sanderson can advance a plot

>>13905587
check out Lucifer's Hammer. hard sci-fi about a comet that totally wont hit earth

>>13905301
Yes, read that one.

>>13905186
You're the idiot for entirely misreading that post.

>>13905118
>no one has posted any better
I have posted a list that is infinitely better.

>>13905777
Where?

>>13905487
That a fat ass elf.
You have more?

>>13905796
See >>13898681

October is upon us /sffg/
Recommend me some books about witches doing witchy things.

>>13905842
Hansel and Gretel

>>13905842
Spermjackers From Hell by Christine Morgan.
Witches galore.

>>13905820
[spolier]She sure is.[/spoiler]

>>13905318
Forgotten Realms novels
Maybe Thieves World
>>13905434
>but i don't care about milfs
gay

>>13905878
wtf

>>13905821
I can't see anything better. More pretentious for sure but not better.

>>13904444
Someone post the review of Abercombie where the characters stab themselves and cut off body parts to seem tough.

>>13905118
Here we go.

>>13905995
Good job. That made me actually laugh out loud.

>>13905487
>>13905878
How are elves so thicc?

>>13905318
I'm looking for maximum politics, basically the exact opposite of this anon. Can a brother get a rec?

>>13905995
I still think it's a bad and misleading name.

>>13906037
not fantasy but Robert Harris' Cicero trilogy is through the roof for that kind of thing.

>>13905995
>Trysmoon
This one looks cool. Any good?

>>13906050
I've always assumed it was ironic. All books are walls of text, no?

>>13906050
It's a trash list, just ignore it.

>>13906081
No, he said it's because he used to post all the books shown in posts as a wall of text.

I think this is the right place to ask.
What's the best collection of Norse mythology?

>>13906081
>Metro 2033
Definitely not ironic, that book is dense as fuck for only being 450 pages or so. Made it a slog. It wasn't uncommon for a page to have 2-3 paragraphs max, so I'm thinking that's literally a chart of walls of text.

>>13906089

>>13906037
Traitor Baru Cormorant maybe? Politics and (high school) economics galore.

>>13906027
Magical illusions man. In reality they are all flat chested sticks.

>>13906088
Example: >>/lit/thread/S12300038#p12304366

>>13906083
>take my advice
>here is no suggestion in it's place
>I contribute to this general

>>13906050
It just pictures from a wall of text suggestion post. If you check the archive you will find the wall of text posts.

>>13905118

>>13906127
>he pays for these from the girls on patreon

>>13906135
I know. It ought to be called Novels That I've Enjoyed / Books That I Like / A Collection of 3.5-4 Star Books / My Personal Recommendations, or something similar.

>>13906137
I agree that is a damn fine list. However the discussion was about books from 2010 onwards.

>>13906138
Is this some roundabout way of asking me where I downloaded them from?

>>13906193
No, there are various places to get patreon content. The real issue is how low your standards in posting low quality content.

Any books where the antagonist is defeated but has done irreversible damage which leaves everyone in a sad state despite the victory?

>>13906062
thank you kindly

>>13906223
I will let you know, good man, that my standards with regards to Patreon thots are exceedingly high. It's not my problem you're gay.

>>13906223
>pale girls with big asses and wide hips is low quality content
Fuck off Ireland.

>>13906322
this nigga paying for porn like its 1997 over here good lord

>>13906336
Gay and technically inept.

>>13906037
The Long Price Quartet by Daniel Abraham.

What the actual fuck. Is it, like, supposed to be an eastern lightnovel? Should I expect over9000 power level scaling in the sequel? Why is it even fantasy, ffs

>>13906444
Forgot the pic

>>13906230
Yes. Plenty. That is what you call a pyrrhic victory. You won but still lost.

>>13906444
>Should I expect over9000 power level scaling in the sequel?
pretty much

>>13898041
I'll be moving Author Consensus to the pastelink on the thread after the next thread, probably around Oct 1st, if there isn't activity by then and if anyone doesn't think it has value being in the OP.

sffglit2 will be removed from the OP next thread.

Starting next thread/tomorrow instead of doing "editions" there will be a series of 7 questions or polls per week, 1 for each day. The first won't be themed or voted upon, but most of the following will be. Since these threads have been lasting for ~2 days, there will be two questions or polls in the OP to discuss and vote on. I thought about linking a post to the OP for each day, but that would have far less visibility.

The voting will be from 20 possible themed choices. Each time one is picked another will be added. I wrote up 26 weeks worth, 182 questions last night, so if someone else wants them to do it as well if I stop doing this or for whatever reason, that anon would be able to do so.

Are The Kingdoms of Thorn and Bone books fun schlock or just plain bad?

>>13906571
>blah blah blah I'm a filthy slut

>>13906571
do you do this for free?

>>13906820 You really ought to have honed your insulting to a higher level by now from being on 4chan.
>>13906828 Yes, meme away.

>>13906444
>Why is it even fantasy
You must have a non-standard definition of what "fantasy" is.

So a little hatred is weak, bit poorly written in parts, satire/political critique is too on the nose, characters are less interesting than the previous trilogy, which is a problem as the plot is fairly simple and steady, with a few set pieces, so the characters do a lot of work to make stuff interesting. To be honest the plot ends about two thirds in, and the rest is unfortunately weak soap opera. Compared to the standalone stuff, this is worse. At least they forced an ending and considered arcs. Disappointed to an extent, but I can't say the quality of writing took a dive, it's always been a bit iffy.

>>13907114
>satire/political critique is too on the nose
And what's the ham-fisted social commentary for this dreck?

>>13907127
The capitalists are all Victorian mill owners from Dickens novels. The socialists are all murderous revolutionaries, yet Joe expects is to take the world seriously as opposed to comically. (I know he puts jokes in, but theyre never at the expense of world-building) All the characters whatever their pov are all too cynical to buy into any system they're part of, even if they're part of it, so every characters point of view feels a bit like listening to a 14 year old complain about what a 14 year olds idea of how the world works is.

Also, he brings up refugees as a theme but doesn't give it enough thought or space in the book, beyond criticising racism, so it just comes across as 'woke', whereas I think his adding of some more female perspectives and characters was handled far better, and the book is better for it.

I mean that's harsh, I did enjoy the book, but, you know, criticism.

What fantasy book does something interesting or unusual from a literary or genre specific perspective?

I'm looking for recommendations as I find fantastical elements to stories compelling, but often find the books tend to be ironically dull once you get beyond the content.

>>13907197
>All the characters whatever their pov are all too cynical to buy into any system
they're part of, even if they're part of it

Sounds like the average 4chan poster, including those in this thread.

>>13907314
Seems like you want postmodern fantasy. Either that or you mean something else entirely.

>>13906077
Yeah it’s one of the better ones on the chart.

>>13907359
Not sure really, if I'm honest I'm just looking for fantasy novels with a bit of artistry to them that doesn't make me feel like I've wasted time reading it. Something better than the schlock and airport thriller vibes I get from a lot of them . I mean, like Jonathan Strange is written as a Victorian novel, as well as being a good fantasy novel. Guards, Guards is a typical fantasy adventure mixed with a satirical crime thriller.

>>13906704
Starts as fun scholck but has a lackluster 3rd book.

>>13907336
Also, it's a bit of blue balls really, because after the twists of the last books ending, you expect more than what is essentially a reboot of the blade itself, with new versions of the old characters. They have the new young arrogant prince, now split into two characters, where one gets the charm and the other gets the plot, the new angry fighter who makes no choices for himself the whole book, to the point that it's funny, then the new cynical torturer, who is now a tortured woman, then you throw in the rich socialite because you realise that you need the audience to sympathise with everybody, or it won't be gritty and real, and a magic girl, because you need to still be sold in the fantasy section.

>>13907404
More like one of the less worse from your selfpub chart

>>13907463
You are one of the few posters to take discussing books seriously. Thank you.

>>13907499
Different anon, retard.

>>13907507
Well I dunno, I just disagree with the reviews and it annoyed me to where I needed to vent. I struggle finding good fantasy books, because the reviews are so surface level. I think so much of what's written in the genre is dross that just the idea of ignoring clichés and writing about something interesting ( like sex, racism, capitalism), even badly, is enough to warrant a good review. No review I've seen asks whether it was handled well. Or analyses his repetitive descriptive language, or anything really, beyond how modern it is for not being overblown sexist, fantasy shit, which admittedly makes it good compared to most fantasy, but still just an okay book.

>>13906859
>You really ought to have honed your insulting to a higher level by now from being on 4chan.
I didn't even want to do it in the first place, so lack luster is expected.

>>13907556
Maybe so, but still all the same.

>>13907666
Cry more.

>>13907507
I put all my discussions of books in goodreads.
Why should I write a 5 paragraph post only for it to disappear at page 10?

>>13907697
It doesn't disappear. That's what the archives are for. You don't link or copy-paste your reviews. Why not?

>>13907697
Join us in transience. Let go of digital immortality.

>>13907499
That is not a self published chart anon.. Do you even read?
>Heinlein
>Scott Card
>Fforde
>Niven
>Gemmell
>self published
Your brain is burnt out from jacking off to conan covers, anon.

>>13907717
Not true. There are now archived 4chan posts older than some of the posters.

>>13907725
Trysmoon is one of the less worse on the selfpub chart. I didn't state that chart was.

>>13907583
>writing about something interesting ( like sex, racism, capitalism)
Opinion discarded.

>>13907738
Opinion recovered

Hi, first time poster, long-time reader. Any of you ever read any of these bad boys? Thoughts on 'em?

>>13907753
I've read some of them. I read a lot of anthologies. Usually I like at least a few of stories enough to make a note about them.

>>13907729
>>13907712
Who looks through the archives?
We usually have to tell cunts to look in the archive for shit we discussed 10 post before the thread archived in the last thread. People look for active stuff.
We have in depth explanations in the archive and people don't want to search, they want it in front of them.

>>13907753
Reading an author and reading a book is two different things.
Some authors have one good book to read and a sea of shit.
Some you can read all of their works.

>>13907762
I don't remember which volumes but I liked the Doctorow one, the goop clone one, the bee one, the other bee one, and the air-robot one.
One day I'll have the whole set.

>>13907766
That doesn't mean you should support or encourage the behavior though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsuQw2LJoBw

>>13907738
I'm saying reviewers are seeing these, or other topical or deeper themes being brought up and assume the writer is utilising them well, when in fact they are not all used effectively.

You're not throwing away my opinion, you aren't even throwing away the opinion I'm critical of, you're taking half of an opinion out of context because I assume you think that I am saying only sex, racism and capitalism are interesting themes? Which is such a big misreading of the post, it makes me question whether there was a point replying.

>>13907818
I'm not supporting anybody. Too many shit I put my heart into was lost over the years, there are readlets in this general right now that can't finish a full paragraph. You put effort into shit and no one reads or responds. I will continue to place my thoughts and feelings on goodreads where I know people read the entire thing (at least my followers do).

>>13907833
There wasn't any point in replying. Give into self-destructive nihilism as we all have.

>>13907843
Why even post here at all then?

>>13899423
pls anon

>>13907833
I get what you are saying, in regard that the most reviewers are retards who will disregard book shortcomings if said book is in any way woke, but then you went about sexism and how writing about race and sex is interesting, and its not, at least for me, i read about that crap in other genres, fantasy for me is escapism from that shit.

>>13899450
>hating skellies
Look at this meatbag

>>13907879
To get recs? Duh.
There was a anon who used to post the reviews of books he read in the general, then he stopped a few years ago. This general is full of speedreading readlets and memers that don't even read.
You think you will hold a proper conversation with anyone here about books you read? I mean if it's some pol book, then the readlets would probably jump in to fill the thread up with discussion.

>>13907963
Why do I feel you are the cosmerefag, who is also a one piece of shit fan, who also likes cooking, who also likes Revelation Space and is mad no one wants to discuss it with him?

>>13907969
Thanks, that was informative.

>>13903197
If you're really bored and just want to read some comfy stuff in a universe you already know go for it. I actually enjoyed the other first law stuff, but this was quite meh too me. Lots of different POVs, lots of pages wasted doing nothing, no good new characters (Outside Rikke maybe).

>>13907981
I literally have no idea what any of those things mean. I just come here like once a month to get recommendations and then come back after I'm done reading what people here recommended.
Currently looking into the titles I've been recommended this time.

>>13899423
>“Lesbian necromancers explore a haunted gothic palace in space!” —Charles Stross
hmm

>>13907982
Too many tried and gave up. It's why I use goodreads. I get zero response unless it's something popular, or the memers are feeling like calling the author a hack for a day or two.

>>13905366
Sweet I didn't know this was a thing. Powder mage I enjoyed quite a lot.

>>13902117
Children of Hurin and Book of Lost Tales are definitely worth reading, haven't read lays of beleriand

Seems the best way to get people discussing is to discuss what a lot of people are going to be reading anyway and then convince others to read it as well.

Is Nevernight any good?

>>13907197
Leo is the primary racist and also the one who is loved by basically everyone. Next book will have Leo going full 1488 and cleaning out all the refugees, just you wait.

>>13908071
Ah fuck, you're right.

It was 'hinted at' when he said exactly what he thought about brown people so the author, oh wait sorry, so Orso could say racism was wrong.

I was just thinking how lonely it feels to hate a book.

>>13908064
Kinda, I wish she liked taking cock though.

>>13905301
Yeah, made me obsessed with coup d'etats for a but.

>>13908088
Yeah the book felt pretty enlightened centrism tier to me. Also I feel like he forgot we already knew about Savines dad, which made the whole dynamic between her and orso completely uninteresting. There's also nothing at all that I'd be curious for in the next book at all. Logen coming as lamb from rikkes vision could only thing be remotely decent

>>13908071
>>13908088
It seems to me that Leo is getting set up for a northern independence plot or at least something that will pit him against the crown. I expect him to have some success but eventually get BTFO, he is full of hubris and arrogance so it seems that at some point or another it will blow up in his face. Orso seems like the sort of character where things will probably go quite poorly for him but will miraculously land on his feet. Surely the end of this series is the demise of Bayaz, I felt like the conflict between him and Khalul and whatever happened ages past was the ultimate premise of the story and it would be disappointing if it was never actually addressed or resolved on the page.

>>13908185
>Also I feel like he forgot we already knew about Savines dad
i totally forgot about this so it worked on me kek

>>13908185
The lamb thing is obvious. Orso sevine relationship reveal went like this for me.

Well they can't stay together this is Abercrombie.
Oh don't tell me it's incest, please don't tell me it's incest
Incest. Oh that's so game of thrones tier shock value
Oh wait it's not even a proper suprise, I just forgot because that last book took 100 pages to decelerate to an ending.

>>13899423
Damn anyone here actually read this book and wants to talk about it? I was literally gonna ask if anyone's read it and would wanna talk about it instead of just give me reasons they won't.

This book fucked me up. I absolutely despised the characters, narrator, and writing style when I started it so it really surprised me how much I loved it by only, like, the halfway point. Just finished it last night and the ending totally undid me.

I need to go back to reading actually good SF to get this off my mind. Has anyone read Fifth Head of Cerberus by Wolfe? That's next on my list but I'm tempted to slip into more Vorkosigan saga. My indecision has led to me wasting a day on some dutch medieval novel that was really good but which I probably will not actually finish.

>>13908569
>I was chemically compromised
Is this you?
Are you "chemically compromised" again as a result of the book?

>>13908569
>Fifth Head of Cerberus
It was the monthly reading in this thread for Feb 2019, so some people did and discussed it then.

/sffg/, I'm just so fucking sick of this. I want to be a writer, but the writing urge is completely gone. Not only do I not have the will to write, I don't even have the will to plan anymore. All I can do is hate myself for letting my life slip away through my fingers without even fighting for it. I have so many stories I need to write but all of them are vanishing into the recesses of my consciousness as apathy erases my consciousness. If I keep going through this I'm soon going to reach a point where I've abandoned my dreams entirely and no purpose to exist besides vapid, stupid, pointless pleasure.

Dammit! Free me or let me die!

>>13908952
It's called being mentally ill.
I can't say which, because several have the symptoms you've described.

>>13908955
take your pick. I have depression, general anxiety, panic disorder, aspergers, bipolar disorder, hypochondria, at least two phobias with a third that's since been cured, a mentality that leaves me hypersusceptible to psychosomatic illness.

The sad part is therapy is only making this worse. Before I started therapy I at least had the desire to create and tinker with stories. now it's just fucking gone and instead of caring, all I can do is care that I don't care. It's horrible