/lit/ - Literature

dumb frogposter

>>13877445
retard

>>13877462
retard

is "said he" better than "he said"???

>>13878568
retard. you shouldn't give any indication as to who is doing the talk. it should be implicit by thegeneral structure of the dialogue, like when it's a question and answer dialogue, or by the different characters having different unique stylistic features that distinguish themselves. "he said", "said he", using a " - " is absolutely fucking cringe

>>13877245
>book uses "say" instead of utter, vocalize, declare, state, remark, observe, rejoin, mumble, contend, assert, claim, articulate, communicate, divulge, suggest, impart, adduce, convey, allege, phrase, avow, etc.

>the author does not use the meme arrow '>'
Disgraceful

>>13877245
Even though the objection is stupid and probably a troll, I never understood writers who used these. When you want dialogue, just show the dialogue. the audience can probably guess that its being spoken between parties.

>>13878578
Most of the greatest writers in history have not done this

>>13878608
dumb idiot.

>>13877245
>>13878578
I write smut, and I write really bad smutt, so thank you for the tip about who says the dialogue implicitly. Ive found saying he said/she said and variant thereof get really repetitive.

>>13877245
>she said
>she thought

>>13877245
>Post has a memefrog picture, greentext, and other ways of establishing without any doubt that OP is a faggot
Sage and hide kys

>>13878598
i wonder if it's acceptable to actually use a meme arrow in serious literature

>>13878613
im going to have to agree with the other guy, you just kind of made up a rule that bears no resemblance to the actual history of literary classics

>>13877245
This has nothing to do with realism. People use these techniques in non-realist books too. It's just a simple way of letting the reader know who's talking.

>>13878613
>"Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?” said Anna Pávlovna. “You are staying the whole evening, I hope?”
>“And the fete at the English ambassador’s? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there,” said the prince. “My daughter is coming for me to take me there.”

>>13877245
"He said" is grammar. The reader skips right over it as they read the text. Excessive use of alternatives is jarring and not clarifying for the audience.

>>13878604
>let's make the dialogue more difficult to read for no fucking reason

>>13878648
>be me
>young man with experience as a sailor
>decide to join a whaling vessel
>the captain is psychotically obsessed with a specific whale
>he leads the ship to ruin and it sinks
>tfw I’m the only survivor

when reading bukowskiI often get confused who's speaking, he writes long dialogues with multiple people without making clear who's talking at the moment

>>13877245
best way of doing this is establishing actions or mannerisms and using them to identify the speaker. for example, if you establish a character is holding a basket ball, you can use actions to identify them:
>"I don't know, it's not so bad." He turned the ball slowly against his palms. "I sort of like it, if I'm being honest."

>>13878578
i was going to call you autistic, but you've actually convinced me. your characters should have the defined tendencies, vocabulary, and personality to be recognizable without appending a name. unironically a good thread. thank you op

>>13880848
>>13878578
kek this is literally what Cortázar did in Miss Cora and Puig in Kiss of the Spider Woman

>>13878953
kekk I'd buy books of greentexted stories