/lit/ - Literature

First for Zelazny

Second Zelazny together with litrpg and harem belongs in the chinkshit general

Third I enjoyed the discussion about literary fantasy regardless of the shitposting and accusations of samefagging.

Do you guys talks about Star Wars books in here or is that not a thing?

4th monthly reading?

>>13852943
not a thing beyond Zahn occasionally getting a mention. there's a general on /tg/

fantasy or sci-fi mystery thats not dresden please

>>13852907
I can smell the butthurt coming off this post

>>13852984
also city and the city by china meiville and the watch Discworld books are generally investigative in nature.

CUTE FEETSIES

>>13852858
>Should /tg/ be deleted
The refugee influx would kill this general. We already have too many of those litrpg faggots here as it is.

>>13852858
Okay so I am reading black company and these faggots seem to be playing a card game all the time but I can discern what. It seems like blackjack?

>>13853181
https://www.bsfs.org/bsfstonk.htm

>>13853117
leave my litrpgs alone

What's your fav hard sf book?

>>13853209
What an awful game

Any other examples of western isekai?

>>13853117
I don't think litRPGs and /tg/ are that related. Seems more like a /v/ thing.

>>13852858
>Also, should /tg/ be deleted?
/tg/ should have been deleted In 2015.
Nu /tg/ is quite litteraly unrecognizable and only a very slight improvement over reddit.

>>13853349
Which was the best medium to experience Baulder's Gate tho?

>>13853340
It this a joke?
Obviously yes, a multitude.
It really depends on what you mean by "isekai" and what specifically you are looking for.
There are Western isekai galore in self-published works, web novels, and litRPGs.
This has also been discussed previously, so you can look a /lit/ archive.

Picked up Michael Moorcock's 'The Dancers at the End of Time' at an op shop the other day. Never read any of his stuff before, is it an okay place to start?

>>13853364 Certainly not the novels.

Read Mark Lawrence

>>13853384
Read Stephen Baxter.

book that has an unlikely truce with the antagonist with quips and banter

S'w qysxq dy vyyu kd ofobi lyyu zycdon sx drsc drbokn.
Sp drsc sc zycdon sx zvksxdohd dryeqr, S gyx'd.

Anyone read the latest Stephen King novel?
Opinions?

>>13853349
>/tg/ doesn't want them shitting up their board either

>>13853384
I've already read every word he's ever published and it's good

>>13853443
what is this
this looks neat

Fantasy books that have the protagonist eventually have sex with the antagonist, really liked it in Black Company

>>13852858
>What do you think about elves?
I think they're hot.

>>13853502
That's all you picked up from the Dank Company?
Pathetic.

>>13853583
books for this feel

>>13853440
No sense posting it in plaintext because you're going to look at them all anyways

>>13853603
Wrong board bud.

>>13853583
Yes they are.
Certainly one of the best fantasy races.

>>13853475
Painting by Beksinski

>>13853641
That they are.

>>13853639
>>13853659
That seems like a hypocritical answer considering what you're posting.

>>13853601
It's not all I picked up, but it's definitely something I'm in the mood for now

>>13853683 Porn exists.

>>13853690
And? It doesn't even need to be on screen, it wasn't exactly detailed when Croaker finally got some. I just want to see that kind of relationship play out again

>>13853475
Zdzislaw Beksinski, Polish painter.

>>13853683
Who gives a fuck what are you going to jerk off to. This is not the place to discuss your fap folder.

>>13853667
If I knew it was going to get anons like you crawling out of the woodwork I wouldn't have done it. You people are the reason we can't have nice things.

>>13853340
A yankee in king Arthur’s court.

>>13853716
Maybe I'm autistic but I found all those scenes boring. I liked when the tension was there, I liked when he was in love with her and when little bits of her humanity would shine through from behind the monster she's been for centuries. That was cool. But when they actually consummated it and especially when she becomes TOO humanized later in the story, for various reasons I won't detail here because I know some fucking idiot is reading this spoiler even though he hasn't read the books because he has OCD, yes I mean you, stop doing this to yourself I felt it really diminished things.

But again I might just be autistic. I have a real problem in general when stories "humanize" things too much. It's not that I want everyone to be inhuman, it's that bumping into Soulcatcher in an Arby's wearing sweatpants is a little too humanizing, it takes the majesty out of the character - the fact that they are centuries old should make them at least a little genuinely inhuman.

It's similar to how I feel like the Horus Heresy books ruin the 40k universe by making you go "oh, okay, everyone's just 'some guy' then. Even the Emperor is basically just 'some guy'." I can't quite explain this, but prior to reading the Horus Heresy stuff, my mind would always try to see the characters from that era as BOTH legendary figures AND real figures, meaning, the real people were somehow also legendary even when they were alive, and it's just that we've (meaning, people in the 41st century) lost the ability to produce or comprehend such greatness directly, we're living in its shadow. That seems to fit the gothic setting. But then the HH books come along and it turns out, at the end of the day, even if you're a demigod you're still basically just a guy. And this is for a natural enough reason of course, namely that the author can't reasonably be expected to write an "incomprehensible" character. He can only write a comprehensible character and put him in power armor.

>>13853800
>Who gives a fuck what are you going to jerk off to. This is not the place to discuss your fap folder.
>He says while posting elf lewds
Just admit that you aren't well read enough to have any recommendations

>>13853860
To continue this thought and relate the HH / Black Company things more explicitly, that's exactly what I loved about the Black Company books, the fact that these people are so powerful that they're beyond mortal comprehension, and yet for practical reasons, you still have to stand next to them and talk to them because no matter "above mundane matters" they are, they still need to get shit done and give orders.

I always remember the part where Soulcatcher teams up with the Company to trap one of the enemy generals, and Croaker is watching the trap with Soulcatcher and his mind wanders to "I wonder if the Taken get lonely?" and Soulcatcher replies out loud, "Sometimes." It gave me a chill because of how perfectly it captured that juxtaposition. For me, when (really major spoilers for later books here) Soulcatcher comes back and acts tsundere it basically popped all that built-up tension like a balloon.

>>13853340
Any complaints shall be unheeded. Don't look at the spoilers if they bother you.
>published the same year, 1983, with the same concept as the Dungeons & Dragons tv series
I remember watching the latter as a child.
Clearly this is the EDGY GRIMDARK version.


When you talk about a woman's sexual habits, Karl, it's not exactly nice to make her sound like a public utility

"So if you try thinking of Doria as a person, instead of acommunity facility, maybe you won't make such an ass of yourself again."

"Greetings, little girl, would you like a piece of candy?"

What you're asking is how long it will take for fifteen men to rape Andy-Andy and Doria."A couple of hours, probably. Why all the interest?"
Visibly, Ahira forced himself to relax. "Then we wait for a couple of hours."

"Those bastards raped two ladies I care about. Two of my friends, dammit.

Walter's face whitened. "He's raping an eleven-year-old girl?"
Chak rubbed at the back of his neck. "Every night. And she spends her days whimpering, and begging for some healing draughts to stanch her bleeding; Orhmyst isn't gentle."

some eleven-year-old girl I've never even laid eyes on....Walter could have tolerated knowing that somewhere, some little girl was being mistreated, even raped.

Her people let her get caught by slavers, raped.

He couldn't bear to look closely at the little girl. She was only about three.

Ellegon carefully shook a pair of twelve-year-olds from his head, then craned his long neck so that Karl could step onto it...a pair of firm young breasts pressed against his back, while powerful thighs scissored his waist...far more conscious of her young body than was comfortable...As I understand it, a bit of repressed sexuality between father and daughter is normal, whether the daughter is adopted or not.... Adopted daughter or not, a husband really shouldn't cheat on a wife

>>13853860
> I liked when the tension was there, I liked when he was in love with her and when little bits of her humanity would shine through from behind the monster she's been for centuries. That was cool.
Agreed, I think that's closer to what I am looking for, it was nice that Croaker got a happily ever after of sorts, but the build up was more exciting, especially when you realize it's not all in his head and the desire is mutual. The afterward wasn't as important, I don't want some kind of nonsense where a guy beats a female villain and bones her, I want the build up to that relationship while they are enemies of some kind.

>>13853860
it's legitimate to a point but when she switched to being the chronicler for me there was enough insight into what genuinely set her apart even de-powered.

>>13853018
Different anon.
City of Stairs seems like it may be worthwhile to read sometime. Thanks.

>>13853892
you still have the old kali type goddess I can't remember the name of buried beneath the ground to give some kind of extreme contrast

>>13853892
you might like malazan then because something it does imo get right is the otherness of the various ascendants, immortals and outright gods.

Anyone read this?

>>13854006
A few seconds after you posted this I already had it downloaded.
After looking at it since then, I've concluded that it isn't something I'd want to read.
The concept of reviving people from the past in the future is fine, but I don't like the voice or the prose.
Your opinion may well differ and you shouldn't take the above as to mean you shouldn't look at it yourself.

>>13853979
Read a few amazon reviews and got the opposite idea. Seems like a slow, boring, meandering, metaphor filled snooze fest instead of a mystery novel. THe meiville rec seemed interesting though

>>13854073 I only read the first few pages, so I may well be wrong. I haven't liked what I've read of Miéville.

>>13854072
I just got done reading a crime book by the same author (Mean Business on North Ganson Street) and didn't mind the voice or prose although I can definitely see why someone would.

I was mainly curious about this book because it's not as talked about as his other works; and was mainly wondering if it was just a dud among his collection.
I think I'll give it a shot as all his other books are westerns and I'm not in that kind of mood.

What webnovel are you guys currently reading

>>13854119 None. Every one that I've looked at has been utter trash at the very best.

>>13854119
>>13852573

What a typical webnovel hating retard
3 posts for one

>>13853900
What is this.... Why is my pee pee hard?

>>13854232 Because you like little girls?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2LQMElLoLs

>>13854167
Fuck off and take your web "novels" with you.

>>13854285
A starving camel is still larger than a horse

>>13852984
Men at Arms by Terry Pratchett

>>13854255
Is one of those midgets Peter Dinklige?

>>13853900
The pedo vibe is strong in that one.
I'll pass.

>>13854293
Oh and take the chinkshit too.

>>13854323 It isn't. A quick search shows that Dinklage would have only been 12 at the time.

Why does every protag have to master fire and thunder...

>>13854360
?

I'm currently reading the solar cycle by Gene Wolfe and I'm liking it a lot. Which of his books should I read next?

>>13854364
Read more xianxia webnovels

>>13854380 No one ought to read any unless they are Chinese. It's already trash and made worse by a trash translation.

>>13854388
Reverend Insanity >>>>>>>>> Three Body Problem
>the virgin China strong, communism onry solrution to aliens
>the chad teaching your slaves Maoism so you can work them to death faster

You're just mad no one wants to read your Hugo award winning dinosaur turds anymore and is turning to the free market alternatives.

>>13854423 I really wish you were meme'ing rather than being sincere.

>>13854431
Confirmed for never having read it. RI is like the bible, it's the underpinning of all literature and culture. People read war and peace, but not RI, and that's a shame since they're picking the lesser of the two.

>>13854493 This is your brain on autism.

RI seems like it blows ass, other stuff is way better

>>13854423
>You're just mad no one wants to read your Hugo award winning dinosaur turds anymore and is turning to the free market alternatives.
That is literally what we are all here to read and discuss. It's just you two Chinese furfags that keep derailing the conversation with your self published trash and fanfiction

>>13854884
Frogposters are worse.

posts concerning chinkshit, litrpg and whatever other non-books ought to fuck off somewhere else

What’s your fav slice of life webnovel

>>13854884
>I HAVE THE POWAHHH
>FEEL-MAN
Also, self publishing and webnovels are two different things you fucking brainlet cunt.

Any good books about angel mythology? I want to learn more about them and their history.

>>13855113
I agree. Webnovels are far worse.

>>13855119
Faith hunter did a book series where I learned about the wheels with eyes and other stuff.
Not Jane Yellowrock nor the Plant woman series.

>first my ability to write disappeared
>then my interest in writing disappeared
>now I've stopped reading sf entirely

am I – dare I say it – becoming a normie?

>>13855585
you posted that here so no

>>13855597
I'm only going to get worse anon. I'm just going to get more and more and more boring, and a year from now I'll be looking back at that time I had dreams and think "what a load of rubbish that was. I'm glad I grew up."

I hate that man, though he doesn't exist yet. He's the man who's going to kill me, steal my friends and loved ones and wear my corpse like a suit

Are there any sci-fi novels with interstellar travel ONLY at relativistic speeds? I want to read something about interstellar civilizations in a universe with the same laws of relativity as ours.

>>13855642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scFykNMqaws

>>13853376
answer me you whores.

>>13855709
fuck the "good place to start" reading order autism and just read it.

>>13855646
to be fair anon, faster than light travel hasn't been ruled out. I'm pretty sure wormholes are still allowed by currently accepted models, and QM hasn't ruled it out conclusively... provided of course there's an interpretation of imaginary mass that makes any rational sense

The Magazine of Science Fiction & Fantasy Sep/Oct 2019 - 70th annniversary issue.

BLAH
The White Cat's Divorce - Kelly Link
Immortality obsessed billionaire and children and their shenanigans.

Erase, Erase, Erase - Elizabeth Bear
The protagonist wants to erase their existence because life is too painful and can they ever be forgiven for what they've done?

Ghost Ships - Michael Swanwick
I like a lot of Swanwick's short stories but I also dislike a lot of them, so I never know what to expect. I don't have anything to say about this other than I didn't like it and it's a contemporary "ghost story" set in the US.

MEH
Kabul - Michael Moorcock
Ragtag military company wanders aimlessly in a peri-apocalytpic Afghanistan.

Madness Afoot - Amanda Hollander
A Cinderella parody. Protagonist is the sister of the Prince.

Homecoming - Gardner Dozois
Dozois is a truly great editor and anthologist. As an author, not so much for me. This is the final story he wrote before he died. It's quite possible that I simply didn't understand the story at all, especially the ending. I have no idea what that was about. I could guess, but that's all it'd be.

OK
American Gold Mine - Paolo Bacigalupi
Disappointed by comparison to his other short stories, almost of which I really enjoy. It takes place at Not-Fox News with the protagonist being the top female anchor there. Basically about how fearmongering and outrage culture is destroying the country and media is the accelerant.

Little Inn On the Jianghu - Y.M. Pang
A Wuxia parody. Rather silly. Protagonist is an innkeeper whose inn destroyed by "heroes" and decides to do something about it.

Under The Hill - Maureen McHugh
This college has a secret, but if you would rather remain ignorant then you'll forever be. Some of the students are from the Seelie Court.

The Light on Eldoreth - Nick Wolven
I've enjoyed every Wolven story in F&SF, but this one was merely okay. It's entirely a marriage negotiation that takes place on Eldoreth, a planet barely within the galaxy, and so far in the future that they've become so "enlightened" that they are oblivious to their amorality.

The Wrong Badger
EnglandLand amusement park in the US has a reckoning with Woke Capitalism. A rival attacks them in the name of social justice to increase their market share.

GOOD
Booksavr - Ken Liu
Booksavr is an app that adjusts whatever you are reading to maximize your enjoyment based on what you define as "problematic content". Author reactions on the self-publishing web serial site are mixed. Are the characters not diverse enough for you? There's a setting for that. Does the author mishandle consent? No problem. No one should ever be offended by what they read.
Protagonist is an author against Booksavr. The story is mostly is "user reactions" on his site.
The ending is a real stinger.
Rather amusing.

OTHER
Three Score and Ten - Robert Silverberg
A truly great author reminisces about 70 years of S&SF.

>>13855646
It's not possible to have a unified interstellar civilization at relativistic speeds or really anything that called be a civilization at all. It'd all one way generation ships that would most likely never have contact with any other humans every again.

>>13855723
fair enough

Just finished roadside picnic, pretty good

>>13855646
revelation space

I read THE FREEZE-FRAME REVOLUTION by Peter Watts and liked it. I found out afterward it is part of a 4-story cycle so I have to read those now too.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT WEIRD SCI-FI NOW

>>13853340
Everworld

>>13855767
>Ragtag military company wanders aimlessly in a peri-apocalytpic Afghanistan.
Any books for this feel?

When did we get a /mu/tant taking up residence and recommending people youtube songs for certain situations?

>>13856062 I've linked two recently, including one in this thread. I don't use /mu/ at all though.
>>13854255

>>13855780
I've actually pondered this question and I've come to the conclusion that the only way an interstellar civilization at lightspeed would work would be with AI god kings that treated human civilizations the same way that humans treat livestock or something. Just a thought.

>>13855852
Searching for posts that contain ‘roadside picnic’. 803 results found. on archived.moe for /lit/ anyway.

Time to actually look at it.
It says it's a new translation, so probably the most recent one.
Skipping the Le Guin forward for now.
I've looked at it now.
It's not something I want to read.

Moving on:
>>13855993
>THE FREEZE-FRAME REVOLUTION
Yeah, nah. Too unrelatable for my tastes among other issues, much more so than The Forever War.

>EVERWORLD
Yeah, that's going to be a hard pass. Just no.

>>13855767
I'm always surprised to find out that Robert Silverberg is still alive. It feels like every few years I think about him, assume he must have been dead for a while, then look him up and find out he's just finished a new anthology or something. Guy must be pushing a hundred by now. I should finally get around to trying Majipoor; I ignored it back when I binged his stuff because I was only interested in straight scifi at the time.

>>13856227 84 actually.

>>13856227
Jews always live to their 90's, if not 100's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel

>>13856233
Jesus, he must have started young. I remember reading how he was a house writer for one of the pulp rags back in the early fifties

>>13856243
Yeah, he wrote as Gerald Vance, as did others.
One that comes to mind is The Judas Valley published in 1956. So that would when he was 21, as he was born in 1935. He won the Hugo for Most Promising New Author in 1956 as well. Looks like his first published work was in 1955 at 20. May be actually sooner.

He talks about buying the first issue when he was 14, 70 years ago.

>>13856258
I don't know if how different it was back then, but he also states that several people had been published already in F&SF in their teenage years and he felt he was lagging behind at being published at 20+.

>>13856265
>>13856258
>>13856243
Last thing. He says he was sending in work to be published when he was 16.

>Webnovels
You autists made me finally google this shit. By the looks of it they all seem to be thinly veiled weeb smut stories.
Do you lot really spend your time on this?

>>13856288
That and much worse. Our depravity and decadence knows no limit. We are 4chan.

>>13856145
Keep pondering. Your take is complete hogwash.

>>13856404
I completely agree but I didn't really want to tell him that because then I might have gotten another reply.

>>13853340
Three Hearts and Three Lions
Thomas Covenant
The Wizard Knight

Any good present tense recommendations? I'm thinking of writing in third person present objective but the only present tense book I've read is City of Shit.

>>13855852
Agreed.

>>13853892
>that's exactly what I loved about the Black Company books, the fact that these people are so powerful that they're beyond mortal comprehension, and yet for practical reasons, you still have to stand next to them and talk to them because no matter "above mundane matters" they are, they still need to get shit done and give orders.
These are also some of the greater scenes in Malazan, where exactly stuff like that happens.

>>13854371
The Fifth Head of Cerberus
The Soldier series.
His short stories.
Peace.
Long Sun.

I really did not like Black Company. I went in expecting something low fantasy that would read like historical fiction but instead got gay edgy wizards and really bad prose. I might have liked it when I was 14. Only got as far as when they reach the burned out raped village.

>>13856536
I really didn't like it either.

I want to read about knights being knightly, doing knightly things.
What can you recommend /sffg/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtD0TNAr0LI&list=PLyuQxGSLydvTN_hgLq9eZsVeQuQlWeb2Z&index=1

>>13856536
>I went in expecting something low fantasy that would read like historical fiction
Yeah, you aren't gonna get that.
It is high fantasy that follows a mercenary army doing mercenary things in places where you expect mercenaries (eg. burnt and raped villages).

a cool anon typed this a few threads ago and I'm going to repost it

Pre-LOTR fantasy novels worth reading:

Lilith (George MacDonald)
The Well at the World's End (William Morris)
The Wallet of Kai Lung (Ernest Bramah)
The Golem (Gustav Meyrink)
Jurgen, A Comedy of Justice (James Branch Cabell)
A Voyage to Arcturus (David Lindsay)
The Worm Ouroboros (E. R. Eddison)
The King of Elfland's Daughter (Lord Dunsany)
Lud In the Mist (Hope Mirrlees)
The Circus of Dr. Lao (Charles G. Finney)
Descent Into Hell (Charles Williams)
The Once and Future King (T. H. White)
Fictions (Jorge Luis Borges)
Titus Groan (Mervyn Peake)
The Dying Earth (Jack Vance)
The Cloven Viscount (Italo Calvino)
The Broken Sword (Poul Anderson)

>>13856602

>>13856794
Most of the authors in this list were better than tolkien

>>13856627
Do you want me to pay a bot farm to downvote your videos? Stop spamming them here.

>>13856794
Just make a fucking chart. Download gimp and paste the covers on a background.

Any good books set in Antarctica?

>>13857181
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Mountains_of_Madness

>>13857191
Read it twice

>>13857212
And now you shall read it thrice.

>new Undying Mercenaries
Based.

>>13856602
The Red Knight

>>13857191
Who Goes There? By John W. Campbell

>>13857771
Meant it for
>>13857181

>>13857429
Is he going to fuck any actual aliens this time? Or is he and that rank climbing bitch going to become an exclusive item?

>>13852858
>What do you think about elves?
Better than humans.

>>13857771
Read that more than five times

>>13852858

>What do you think about elves?

Im angry about them.

There must be a final solution to their endless subversion of goyi- ... er.. humans!

I think the Witcher had it right that non-humans must be porgrom'd or just wholly exterminated by Imperial troops.

Books for this feel?

AND NOT DUNE

>>13852858
Is there any books that act likes a b movie from the 50s?

You guys should totally read this book. Out of pity. I mean, isn't it sad that someone took the time out of their lives to write it and no one even reads it?

I found it while ago and was going to shill it here but decided to wait and see if anyone would read it first. It seems to be a chinese inspired action book. I'd read it myself, but the protagonist is female.... Anyway, you should totally read it, though.
https://www.amazon.com/Informal-Art-War-Ken-Lim-ebook/dp/B07WYHBHXR/

I actually might later. It really doesn't look like a bad book. It's not litrpg at least.

>>13858210

>Ken is a speculative fiction writer and a life-long reader of fantasy. When he's not crafting stories or pontificating on how to write them, Ken geeks out on Lego, action figs, movies and TV.

Yea im not gonna read a book written by a LEGO fag

>>13858205
Dune Messiah

>>13858224
C'mon, give the guy a break! Who doesn't like legos? It's his first book (probably).

>>13854072
>The concept of reviving people from the past in the future is fine
If you're interested, Past Master and Viriconium both explore that topic (in very different ways).

>>13855767
Just wanted to say that this is a good contribution and I appreciate it.

>>13858210
>thieves versus the empire

I’m so fucking TIRED of this SHITTY plot.

>>13858294
It has thieves? I guess you got farther into it than me.

>>13858210
You really make it seem like you're the author based on your responses.

>>13858376
I wish I had the discipline the write. Anyway, I changed my mind. I just found the author's goodreads page and he gave 5 stars to Robin Hobbs. This together with the female protag thing probably means he's a filthy redditor or something.

You should probably adjust your author self-promotion detector. Not everyone who shills unread books is the author. I just felt sorry for the guy. It's too bad, had he written a book with a male protagonist I'd probably have finished reading it before finding out he is a pleb.

>>13858210
>Ekman managed a rough croak of a laugh. “Moons, that hurt.”
I'm out

>>13856602
Literally just The Knight by Gene Wolfe
The Wizard (book 2) is a little shittier because of its lame first half (Jotunland was basically pointless,) but The Knight was pretty much perfect
It's portal fantasy until it isn't (but still sort of is,) but it's very much Arthurian knight material either way
I think I'll go reread it soon

>>13854371
I just recommended it in another post but The Knight was what I went to after BotNS, and it's a pretty good next step
Similar themes of there being a higher world that can be achieved when humanity does the right shit, etc.
That's a lot of Wolfe's stuff
Fifth Head is probably another good one because it illuminates some things that he included in BotNS, like cloning
I wouldn't suggest Peace next, you gotta really like Wolfe to get into Peace
That book does not hold your hand at all and if you're not familiar with shit like the history of alchemy you're going to understand it even less than his other books

>>13858404
Why would you feel sorry for him in particular as opposed to every other writer in a similar position?

I didn't say you were the author. I said you make it seem like it. As in, you clearly aren't the author but the way you are posting makes it seem like you are pretending not to be the author. It's a fine distinction.

>>13858404
>>13858210
Even worse than that is that you are one of those idiots who uses "shill" to mean "any sort of promotion, recommendation, or putting forth of something for others" rather than it what it actually means.

>>13858404
https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/5755387.Ken_Lim

>>13858235
>It's his first book (probably).
Yeah no.

I don't want to bother with Kindle Unlimited and it doesn't seem to be available otherwise, so I'll go with a different novel from them called Starfall Knight.
Not worth reading at all. Not because it seems bad, but because it seems so utterly mediocre in a way that would neither please who enjoy reading something well-written nor those who enjoy complete trash.

>>13858287 Thanks. I'm just doing whatever I feel like doing at the moment. It's just a slapdash assortment of stuff that's all over the place.

>>13858632
>so I'll go with a different novel from them
I thought it was only written by one person?

>>13856439
The Night Circus by Erin Morgenstern

>>13856536
>edgy wizards and really bad prose
Black Company and also the Dresden Files read like kids books

>>13856794
That is a very comfy list.

>>13858304
It’s literally in the summary

>>13858727
>open rape of preteen cunny is kids book material
Please tell me these kids book you read as a youth?

>>13858658
My mistake for not using "him", rather than the singular they.

>>13858915
Probably only chuuni manga, if that.

>>13858919
>singular they
Don't be that kind of retard.

>>13858919
>singular they.
Lol, thank God I am not a native English speaker.

>>13858919
>singular they
>singular
Don't be that kind of retard.

>>13858919
>My mistake for not using "him"
How do you know them is male identifying?

>>13858935
>>13858938
>>13858944
It's in the dictionaries now. Keep up.

>>13858949
Because of the usage of "he".

>>13858965
>Because of the usage of "he".
Where?
Does them call themself that?

>>13858965
>It's in the dictionaries now.
And?
Why does that mean I have to like this ideological abomination of the English language?

>>13858982
>>13858994
Sorry, I don't wish to engage with your unproductive identity politics any further.

>>13858965
>>13859005
Oh no it's a tranny.

>>13859005
>Sorry, I don't wish to engage with your unproductive identity politics any further.
What is identity politics about you choosing to gender a potentially non-male identifying person as "he"?
You know that this exact behavior is hurting people, if you were female-identifying and I refered to you as "he", surely that would be offensive to you...

>>13859024
>You know that this exact behavior is hurting people
Good, those kind of "people" need to be hurt.

>tfw no inchoroi bf

>>13859005
Lol, as if the "them" garbage isn't identify politics...

>>13859033
It's been in common use since the 1300s in English.

>>13859041
Was it as common as blacks then?

>>13859041
>It's been in common use
No, at some time in point it might have been common use but the usage now is purely for political reasons, not because someone decided that old English sounds better.

>>13859032

>>13859028
I have sent a report to the moderators informing them of your trolling, please go back to /Pol/ /b/ or whatever echochamber you came from.

>>13859046
That Dr.Who episode really triggered you, didn't it?

>>13859024
You're a really bad concern troll.

>>13859057
Dr. Who? What? I don't watch that garbage.
What happened? Did it get the BBC treatment?

>>13859056
Don't be such a twat.

>>13859048
It really isn't. That is just your feels.

>>13859078
>It really isn't.
So it was in common use in eg. the 1950s?

>>13859077
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/12/black-people-presence-in-british-history-for-centuries

>>13859069
I didn't start this whole thing, the person suddenly switching pronouns for somebody he didn't knew did...

>>13859088
Lol, truly clown world.

>>13859088
>One Roman soldier who was a nigger means that London being 50% British is normal
Thanks guardian!

>>13859088
I knew it. It did get the BBC treatment. No wonder the ratings are in the toilet.
Also:
"Since you’re here…
… we have a small favour to ask. As the climate crisis escalates, The Guardian is standing alongside those taking part in this week’s global climate strike. And in the run-up to a major UN climate summit on 23 September, we are joining forces with more than 250 news organisations to increase climate coverage across the global media. The climate emergency is the defining issue of our times, and we are committed to being truthful, resolute and undeterred in pursuing our journalism."
What is wrong with Guardian in particular and those bucktoothed, inbred island little shits in general? They used to be so cool.

>>13859056
You know announcing reports is against the rules... Right?

after finding out the the one remaining straight character in homestuck is canonically trans, I have to ask: why is it that so many decent authors suck at making gay MCs believable?

Aside from hot lesbians who are clearly just fap bait which we're conditioned to accept, so many of them just seem so forced. the only gay MC I've ever really been able to buy was Ender, and Card ended up giving him a horrifically dysfunctional, unbelievable and borderline pedophillic marriage because he was uncomfortable with how much of his own pedarestry seeped through in the first book and he needed deniability

>>13859651 Maybe the problem isn't everyone else, but rather you.

Why is it that when I'm reading a book and rape unzips it's pants around a girl I get granite?
The book I'm currently reading just mentions that the girl used to be raped in the compound before she agreed to be a sister wife, and I had to go sit in the toilet before anyone could see me.

>>13859693 Because it arouses you.

Seems to me that the more a book stuffs in endorsements of its quality the more they want you to actually believe it's going to be worthwhile to read even though they know it isn't.

>>13859651
Ender works because he's a relatively un-selfaware projection of the author, i.e. gayness is actually a sincere reflection of actual homosexuality.

The others seem fake because they are, they're just cutouts used to signal conformity to social norms.

>>13857016
Seems interesting, thanks for the suggestion friend.

>>13857591
I haven't read anything by him, is he the guy that goes into autistic detail when it comes to siege warfare?
Not a complaint by the way, that might be something I'd enjoy.

>>13858458
I was too low IQ to understand Book of the New Sun (though I still enjoyed it). Is this more accessible than that or less?

>>13859754 What about LGBT characters written by LGBT authors?

>>13859786
What about them?

>>13859796
>The others seem fake because they are, they're just cutouts used to signal conformity to social norms.

>why is it that so many decent authors suck at making gay MCs believable?

So the answer is simply because they aren't as such?

>>13859651
>why is it that so many decent authors suck at making gay MCs believable?
theres a lot of reasons why a straight couple just makes more sense to a story
its the most inoffensive obviously. its easier to write. possibility of future children characters. you have both a female and a male for people to relate to or cling to. really the only reason you'd actively choose to write a gay couple is to make a heavy handed statement, which is a hack thing to do.

>>13859786
to be fair, the only authors Ive read who i know were lgbt were Card and Charlie Jane Anders and the latter was better as an sff columnist than she ever was an author.

The thing is Rebecca Sugar is great at writing LGBT characters, but unless that movie of hers changed things, all of her best straight romances were left entirely subtextual

confession: I dont care for gene wolfe. I dont like the format that everything is spoken of in past tense, like in the journal or memory of the protagonist. it gives whats going on this dull, slow paced tone of "so this happened. and then this happened. and then i did a thing. and i dont remember this, but i think it was a thing".

>>13859838
>its easier to write
For someone who is heterosexual, sure.

>possibility of future children characters
In science-fiction and fantasy this isn't really an issue. There aren't any such limitations.

>you have both a female and a male for people to relate to or cling to
What if the person can't relate to either?

>really the only reason you'd actively choose to write a gay couple is to make a heavy handed statement, which is a hack thing to do.
So a gay person ought to never write what they know?


>really the only reason you'd actively choose to write an interracial couple is to make a heavy handed statement, which is a hack thing to do.

>really the only reason you'd actively choose to write an Jewish couple is to make a heavy handed statement, which is a hack thing to do.

>really the only reason you'd actively choose to write a non-white protagonist is to make a heavy handed statement, which is a hack thing to do.

>>13859886
>So a gay person ought to never write what they know?
No one really cares to know how many gerbils can go up his ass so it's best to not even write as a fag. Same goes for all that butthurt green text.

>>13859920 You may want to consider your lack of empathy. There's no doubt that it stunts your ability to understand and enjoy much literature and limits your reading options.

>>13859928
Empathy? You're the one who is ignoring the plight of all those poor gerbils tranny.

>>13859928
anon, I don't think he's worth bothering with. Someone like him doesn't recognize other humans as sentient beings. He doesn't have the capacity to learn the error of his ways

>>13859970 You've also certainly listened to Stephen Lynch's song Gerbil too many times and took it far too seriously and literally.

>>13859986
>>13859987
I thought there was only one passive aggressive tranny anon.

>>13859767
miles cameron and christian cameron are the same guy. as a reenactor he's pretty autistic in general in a mostly good way.

>>13859767
Cameron is really good with details that lets you know he knows the stuff in the world without being autistic about it

>>13860037
>>13860136
I was hoping not to start another series and just read standalone books but now I'm really curious about The Red Knight. OK, I might as well read it and then decide if I want to continue on with the rest.

I'm reading Pandora's Star and good lord it's not bad but I'm semi-forcing myself to keep going. It's another 300 pages until I get to the 'good' part FlyingLightMountain but idk if i'll make it.

What the fuck happened at the end?
So Able goes in a cave? And dives down a well? And finds a magic sword and a coat of mail? Then a horde of Elves start appearing and celebrating some giant satanic dragon so Abel draws the sword which summons the souls of all great legendary knights and fucking kills them all and flys after the Dragon on the back of a Yahweh Griffin and kills it before being taken by a Valkyrie and brought to Skai? What the fuck? I've read Wolfe before but this ending really messed me up. Was the Dragon Setr? Is Setr Satan? Or Jesus? Why does the actual Arch-Angel Michael appear? I haven't read the Wizard, but I have a feeling that none of this will be explained. Good book though.

>>13852858
What are some books with non-medieval elves?
Contemporary civilization or future elves.
And no, I don't mean humans are current or futuristic but the elves are still medieval.

Does anyone know of any good collections of Jules Verne? Looking to read some of his popular stories again.

Where is my cultivation chat group updates ~

>>13860958
You haven't realized that you were talking to yourself the entire time?

>>13860958
Patiently waiting for uncrowned in Thursday.

reading The Blade Itself at the moment. I like it a lot, the characters are genuinely interesting and layered, and the whole "fantasy political intrigue" shtick not being overplayed. any thoughts on the other two books?

>>13860966
Heavens~! Is that true?

Aryan chads battling Lovecraftian monsters is most based and redpilled.

>>13861007
How will Orthos and sister's baby look like, you think?

>>13861154
in what books do indo-iranian people fight eldritch abominations? I've never heard of this subgenre

>moorcock
>moor cock
>more cock
lol

>>13861154
You hitting the gym fatso?

>>13861544
I think her pussy would break my pee pee if I put it in. Any books with snu snu females who hold men down and take what they want?

Please someone help me find ePub/mobi files of these i wanna be cool and read magazines

>>13861365
The pulps.

>>13861653
Personally I just downloaded a torrent of many 1000s of magazine issues. Unfortunately, it was with everything else as well.

>>13861711
Also used mega for some of it.
There are other ones as well.
Downloading 1 by 1 would be too much of a hassle.

>>13861653
https://libgen.is/fiction/?q=Magazine+of+Fantasy+Science+Fiction

Here's a magazine list of got I from here:
>>>/t/805598
Mostly from here anyway, the torrents and mega.
Mostly not the newer F&SF though.
https://pastebin.com/DcvbpdVY

>>13861732
Nevermind, it's all from there.
This is before I integrated it into my main calibre library.

>>13861716
libgen is such a mess.

>>13861051
If you like the first book you will also like the rest of the trilogy.

>>13861743
Your vagina is such a mess.

>>13860670
You'll probably want Jules Verne - The Complete Works to have it all in a single work.

>>13861544
I think literally all you do is post lewds and think everyone is grateful for them.

/sffg/, I need either an incredible amount of passion or an incredible amount of terror if I'm going to get anything written.

Instead I'm trying to figure out how cook a dish with no cherries in it that has no cherries in it.

I crave death

4 more days, lads.

> I need either an incredible amount of passion or an incredible amount of terror if I'm going to get anything written.
Apparently you aren't going to have the former and you wouldn't want the latter.

>>13861886
>how cook a dish with no cherries in it that has no cherries in it.
I think you have mistyped.

>I crave death
Melodrama.

>>13861942
Yes, 4 more days until you spam your in progress reading of it and then spam until the next book is out.

>>13859767
>Is this more accessible than that or less?
Both, but mostly more. The stuff that happens in the fantasy setting is very straightforward. The hints at what happened in the real world are frustratingly weird. But the main story is the fantasy one, and the real thing is just to give it more emotional weight anyhow. Overall, probably a bit easier than BotNS.

>>13860266
The Wizard explains literally all of that, actually. You just have to sit through some boring ass shit in Jotunland first. Oh, and Michael appears because Gene Wolfe wrote it. You should know by this point about the multiple worlds thing. What do you think Wolfe puts above the Valfather? His own God, obviously, and even the angels who serve him are above the Valfather.

>>13862006
I'm going to write more spoilers because it's on my mind. I think the whole thing with Kulili is a bit shit, in retrospect. It's by far the most epic scene in the book, and the imagery is great, but she creates a problem. In an optimistic atheist view, the higher worlds would be created by the lower ones. Kulili creates life on the world above her own because she aspires to goodness despite her nature as a dragon, which tracks with that. But it's a Wolfe novel; it's obviously not atheist. If God created the dragons and the devil and man each on their own world, why would he have left one empty? The lore is really cool, except for that one point. Maybe I'm just misremembering and it makes more sense than I think, though.

>>13859767
The first three Red Knight books are purely knights doing knightly things.

>>13861974
I meant "how to cook a dish that tastes like cherries that has no cherries in it" but let's just go with a typo

for the record, the answer is to make sweet and sour pork with an almond satay sauce

>>13862042
I think you're misremembering. I'll go ahead and spoiler it.

The worlds had both "indigenous" and "fallen" inhabitants. For instance, the Skai pantheon were angels who voluntarily descended from the level above to fight the Giants but became corrupted somehow (they're still good) and couldn't go back. The Jotun were Giants who fled from Skai into Mythgarthr. The indigenous inhabitants of Mythgarthr were faery spirits like Mani the cat. Humans were "raised up from animals" rather than being truly indigenous to Mythgarthr.

I don't think the books address where Satan (the most low god) came from. Presumably he has fallen all the way from the top. Anyway, Kulili was unrelated to the Dragons/demons the same way that humans are unrelated to either the Giants or Faery. She's something else entirely. And Wolfe is very vague about her nature, although she doesn't seem to be evil the way the dragons are.

just finished the night land. it was great, i hadn't enjoyed a book that much in a long time. found it pretty weird when i went to read the reviews at goodreads and the two main complaints were

>the author doesn't explore the world enough
>it's mainly just a love story, not fantasy

it was LITERALLY explained how the world got the way it was and the book was as much a love story as a travel log of roaming that world. i just don't get it. what were these people expecting? i doubt someone new to the fantasy genre or eldritch horrors would jump straight to this book. did they really think we were going to get a bio on every creature type and watcher like this is some dnd book?

>>13862279
>"mine own baby slave" - literal quote from book
Great setting though, I can't think of anything remotely like it. There's a new version written in a more modern way that everyone seems to love, but I've never read it.
It's frankly amazing that, as stilted and weird the narration and dialogue is, the romance story actually worked, and seamlessly fit with the rest of the "nightmare travelogue" theme.

>>13862317
yeah the modern version is the one i read. it was the only one available to pirate
to be honest, the guy who did the rewrite did a good job imo. i completely forgot it was supposed to be modern, until i read a couple of anachronistic sounding lines. one of them was about how the women of the 18th century were much more modest and demure than the women of the future. though who knows, maybe there was something to that effect in the original.

i'll probably read the original next time, i'm esl so it would probably be helpful that i've read a modernized version first. but yes, i agree, the romance worked great and it was fairly emotional. and i really enjoyed the descriptions of the world. i'm not much of a prose guy (couldn't stand reading 100 pages of gormenghast) but i have to admit this had me completely hooked and drawn in.

>>13862357
The original is just free: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/10662
Unfortunately neither of us has read both versions, so I really can't say which is better, but I really liked the original and it's extremely unique writing style, so I have no idea how much of that translated into the rewrite. I don't know how much trouble you'd have understanding it, I found it easy but extremely weird.

>>13862378
yeah, i found this after i went to look up maps of the night land.
shame i never thought of it sooner. there was a link in the wiki page of all places.
i tried reading a few sections after i found this, found it understandable and enjoyable but very slow going and two or three times per page i had to pause to try to make sense of something or reread a sentence to "interpret" the grammar

>>13857151
Once a thread (if that) isn't 'spam'. If you don't like it please just overlook it. Not difficult.

anything that could be considered samurai lit? could be fantasy samurai fighting orcs and shit, or cyberpunk or whatever, as long as its samurai

>>13862481
https://www.amazon.com/Gonji-Blade-East-Deathwind-Trilogy-ebook/dp/B00OWCFSN6/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=gonji&qid=1569140823&s=books&sr=1-4

>>13862492
did you actually read this
is it good, anon

those reviews sound like actual shills

>>13862510
>>13862525
Don't read it then, asshole.

>>13862525
i would have said a line like "Gonji's Deathwind - The Godzilla of Sword & Sorcery?" is 100% a shill a while ago, but then again there are actual pseuds and boomers who think talking like that is clever

that said, sending free items to people in order to generate amazon reviews is a huge racket. it's not technically illegal since you never 'technically' ask for a review in return for an item, you just ask people (off amazon of course) "do you like fantasy books? i'll gift you one for free, i'd love to hear your thoughts on it, here's 25 bucks, go to amazon and order it on me". that is to say, a person is free to take your shit and not leave a review. but in reality like 90% of professional reviewers do leave a review and it's really easy for the marketing agency to exclude the ones who don't.

t. literal marketer
>>13862535
he was just asking, T. C.

I really enjoyed the Red Mars series. What are some other good near-future books about terraforming?

>>13862535
I really think you might be the author

>>13862538
>>13862542
Yes I am the author. You found me out.

>>13862554
you could've just said "yeah its a good book" no need to be pissy

>>13862554
okay that's better. what were your inspirations and why should we read read your book?

>>13862560
I need the money for coke and prostitutes. So buy it and every other book I've written, faggot.

>>13861942
I can't wait anymore.

>>13862568
i need that money for the same things unfortunately

>>13862357
>the modern version is what I read
Well maybe that's why you liked it. I was absolutely dreaded by the original and it's endless uneventful travel-blog.
I even read it at a time when I was binging through pretty much every Lovecraft/Poe/old horror story. But Nightland was just too much

>>13861365
conan, gilgamesh, beowulf, nibelungen, etc.

>>13862568
Bro you are in the wrong profession bro.

>>13862568
>>13862569
>>13862577
sounds like you guys would have a fun time together

>>13862595
Snorting coke off of anime body pillows?

>>13861051
the second book is a really slow character study, almost no plot happens except to glokta. third book is fucking amazing.

>>13854006
Isn't this the guy who directed Bone Tomahawk?

>>13862691
No.

>>13853340
The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe

>>13862691

This is the gui

>>13862820
How was that movie?

>>13862854
>>>/tv/

>>13862868
Bro are you giving me lip bro?!

recommend me a fantasy novel based on this webm
no smut. ya is potentially okay unless it's a female author

>>13862934
Fuck off chinkshitter.

>>13862975
it's korean but i'm willing to accept suggestions for chinese novels. do you have any in mind?

>>13862978
>it's korean
Oh really? I stand corrected.
Fuck off gookshitter.

>>13862934
Last of the Amazons

>>13862934
Watch Code Geass, read the Traitor Baru Comorant and read Tigana.

>>13861711
Any way you could like post the MoFaSF stuff into a mega/dropbox? I don’t want my ISP to murder me for torrenting

>>13862934
Why are they so skinny, and use folds and fluffs to make themselves look thicker?
Aren't there any thicc high test Koreans? Not fat blobs, birthing hips and thighs.

>>13863332
>sort stuff out, then upload them for me
>I want things free and hassle free
>you take the risk for me
Kys

>>13863348
I asked; I didn’t demand. I would’ve been cool with a no.

>>13863487
Not them, you won't get in trouble for old stuff that the MAFIAA aren't watching. They only care abour movies and then get you in trouble by complaining to your isp.

I've had so much backlog to get through I've never really read any scifi written this century.

Is the Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction the Astounding of today?

>>13863592
No.

>>13863623
Where do I go to read all the assumably equality hire/tranny scifi of the now for cheap?

When are we getting remnant book 2? I want shortstack used goods stuffed with dick.

>>13863628
Pretty sure that's the only shit the traditional publishers publish these days.

>>13863668
I've heard that about the Hugo's but genuinely I have no idea about contemporary SciFi. Can anyone key me in on modern Short stories and things I want to at least experience some.

I finished Hero of Ages by Brandon Sanderson the other day. I'm kind of still reeling over it. I'm not sure I've ever read or watched anything that actually concludes a trilogy as well as it did, even with it leaving stuff open for the giant metafiction over the rest of his books. Also read Alloy of Law today, and it was bizarre to see these characters I love referred to as historical legends.

Cradle soon!
Audio and ebook!

Tight pussy book 2 next month!
Audio and ebook!

>>13863332
As linked, there are mega links and elsewhere, such as libgen and IRC. Torrenting isn't required at all. F&SF is something I'm subscribed so I'm not going to provide my personal issues for a variety of reasons.

A list is here:
>>13861732

>>13862993
sorry for the late reply, i went to bed. maybe i will, eventually
>>13863055
seems fun, are there any betrayals and fallings out in this novel? also any fantastical elements, besides the obvious ahistoricity?
>>13863215
good tip, something like code geass is exactly what i had in mind, specifically the relationship between suzaku and lelouche, but i want a novel right now.
>>13863342
there's pristin kyla but the reality of thicc gooks is much more disappointing than the fantasy of thicc gooks

>>13863778
Schlock fantasy shelf - read through everything on here, what now?

I probably should download all the monthly books I haven't bothered to look at.


>>13856431
>Three Hearts and Three Lions
Not quite what I want to read.

>The Wizard Knight
>The Fifth Head of Cerberus
I have yet to see a Gene Wolfe that I want to read.

>>13858266
>Past Master
No.

>Viriconium
May read later.

>>13862492
Nah

>>13863055
starts with slavery, duck rape, and menstruation.
More importantly, I don't like the prose.

>>13863215
>Code Geass
One of the most overrated anime of all time.

>Traitor Baru Comorant
May read later

>Tigana
I've looked at various novels by this Guy Gavriel Kay but still have yet to want to read any.

>>13864131
No offense meant but I almost threw up looking at that image.

>>13863215
oh, sorry i was a bit out of it from my nap and i didn't notice your book suggestions and just read the "code geass" part. thank you, i just downloaded both

>>13861781
Thanks, unfortunately I can't seem to find physical copies of any Verne anthologies. They're all ebooks.

>>13864491
Code Geass is nothing like that vid but watch it anyway. It's a hell of a ride (be warned though that S2 is shit until the last few episodes.)

>>13864588
>>13864016
That anon already has watched it.

>>13864588
i've seen it and enjoyed it a lot. i remember i read something recently about them putting out a new season or movie but i'm afraid to watch it now that i'm out of my teens. i'm afraid it might be too cringe for me nowadays.

>>13864607
There's a ton of spin-off material and similar.

>>13864607
> i'm afraid it might be too cringe for me nowadays.
S1 still holds up. S2 is a mess due to the fact it moved to daytime TV due to its popularity so became more kid friendly and basically got a story reset.

>>13864131
Post it on leddit to get infinite internet points

>>13864918

>>13864918

>>13864918

>>13864918

NEW

>>13854323
All midgets look the same, their fucked up growth hormone regulation makes them have similarly shaped heads