/lit/ - Literature

>>13840243
So what's the beef here exactly?

>>13840243
Sex is hard to understand without experiencing it. As for murder I think what is necessary is to truly have wanted to kill someone before, even if you didn't do it. You have to understand that mindset, even if you could never really understand the mindset that follows after having done it.

Most people who read books haven't murdered anyone so basically nobody is going to call you out for making shit up about that. Sex on the other hand most people have experienced so it will seem off if you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

>>13840243
Amateur.

>>13840243
>shit like love, sex, thrill, friendship, etc. can be replicated by a good writer whether or not he's experienced it.
nice bait, almost got me.

>>13840262
Complete bullshit. Just talk about heart racing and burning desire and moisture and hot liquored breath and primal impulsivity and moaning and groaning and touching and whatever else. I'm a virgin and it's easy for me. Some empathy and imagination is all you need.

>>13840262
have murder

tl:dr OP copes with his NEEThood

>>13840295
>Just talk about heart racing and burning desire and moisture and hot liquored breath and primal impulsivity and moaning and groaning and touching and whatever else. I'm a virgin and it's easy for me.
holy shit cope

>>13840295
HAH! Fucking shit. This is a good one. Thanks OP.

>>13840332
im working on it bro. been aggressionmaxxing, i will soon no longer be involuntarily kill-less

>>13840364
>>13840370
So how am I wrong

>>13840295
>heart racing and burning desire and moisture and hot liquored breath and primal impulsivity and moaning and groaning and touching and whatever else
Thought you were talking about the murder part until I read "moaning"

>npc meme
>just sit on your ass your whole life bro and wait for you eureka masterpiece moment
reminder that the mainstream demographic panders to people who have no experiences in such matters they read about. this is why harry potters are overtly political and why fifty shades of grey sell to the ones who daydream about bdsm and why moe anime are embodied by people who are actually brutish in their desires. it panders to passivity and guess why it sells so much? what makes good literature are people who creat art in the experiences of their life. because in an era of tech cuckery and mediated fakeness, memeing your way out is digging you further in. in this case all you can write about is 'the experience of passivities'

>>13840382
I want you to describe anger/sadness/any negative emotion without ever experiencing it.

>>13840387
>implying people don't moan when you kill them
Coping murderlet

>>13840399
Yeah bro "you don't need to have experienced something to write about it" = "just sit on your ass lol" great deductive skills you halfwit

>>13840262
>>13840295

Just imagine the sickening strangeness of family, of not knowing who or what those entities are, on having nothing to do with them, on merely performing a role that is even more restrictive and less believable than those played in most films, except MUCH worse.

>>13840411
it's like you just read the first two lines and ignored the rest

>>13840399
This, people want to vicariously experience something that they couldn't do irl. Most people have terrible sex experiences with ugly sexual partners, it's not the act that they seek but the imaginary ecstasy of having sex with someone attractive.

>>13840424
There's nothing to respond to you just verbosely asserted that you need experience to write about something

>>13840262
>Sex is hard to understand

>>13840399
>all you can write about is 'the experience of passivities'
>implying a great writer cant do both
>be doystoyevsky
>stare death itself in the face
>write a book about a dirty neet a hundred years before its even a thing

>>13840411
so what exactly is it? you fantasizing about events that were pre mediated to you? thats what an npc is. you are literally cucking your own thought process. maybe you are destined to write for npcs and be the next young adult hit is what your real fear is.

>>13840243
Based

Emily Brontë was a reclusive virgin and wrote a great novel.

>>13840438
cope

>there are murdercels on /lit/ who haven't even killed a person
LOL, come back when you're a real man and you've killed someone!

>>13840448
He lifted the axe above his head and swung it down, shattering the baby's skull and causing a deluge of brain matter to spill out onto the grass beside it. He looked at what he had done, and with trembling hands sank down to his knees, dropping the axe, and imploring the lord to forgive him.

Woahhh how did I do that if I'm not a baby murderer

>>13840243
So you wanna write about things you are not understanding? Technically you could do it, because you heard it from others, but you haven't experienced it, so you aren't creating anything original, you're just making a book/movie/whatever review.

Everyone knows what the symptoms of being in love is, even those who were never in love. But I think only those who have experienced it are capable of describing it in a way that feels real to the reader.

It's like you're transferring the soul of this feeling through your words and everyone who has also experienced it will feel it physically. But when you just say things you think are correct, because you heard it often times, than it will be just words for this people.

I know that's just metaphysical and I can't prove it on a rational level, but I believe it to be true, because that's how I have perceived it.

>>13840509
Nice, you described what happened physically. Any writer can do that. Try and describe the subconscious process, retard.

>>13840512
this, a million times this

>>13840512
wasnt the person who wrote pride and prejudice a femcel?

>>13840528
Lmao it's not hard. If I continued to write that I'd talk about his heightened sensitivity, chattering teeth, wailing sobs, disjointed thought process, mental split between feeling guilt and needing to get away for fear of being caught. I could flesh it out even more if I thought about it longer, and yet I'm no baby killer.

>>13840512
>It's like you're transferring the soul of this feeling
The thing is that the "feeling of love" is a socio-cultural construct, it isn't something real to be found in nature, thus all the people who think that they can related to those feels, feel that way because they have been influenced by the narrative presented to them by the rest of society.

>>13840528
>he felt nothing

>>13840576
>The thing is that the "feeling of love" is a socio-cultural construct
And emotions are just chemical connections and electrical signals in your brain. This doesn't make the feeling unreal.

I think fiction is not your thing.

>>13840509
but the real question here is can you write anything thats not npc tier tropes as you claim to hate? i mean your argument in the first place is that you are not one. perhaps youre just not interested in the intricacies of art and what makes art npc quality.

>>13840613
Why do you think I can't?

>>13840612
>This doesn't make the feeling unreal.
It's not that it isn't real. But the narrative created around a thing is indeed more real than actual perceptive reality, though one can recognize that the narrative isn't objective without rejecting it as such.

Just write a self-insert autistic protag.

>>13840295
Post example.
>Her heart rate accelerated to 113.7 bpm. I COOMED. But just 3mg. I kept going. My heart rate took a dive to 89.8 bpm. It was troubling. Sweat poured onto the pillow. Oh no my COOMstick is going limp. Maybe I'll go to the washroom. B-but how do I ask. Heavy breathing, is she getting angry? The primal impulses of my internal bpm counter were now going off - how would this affect my bpm? OH NO I'M DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COOM NO)W! Moaning now. Is that the people next door? Burning desire gripped me again as something like moist sand slapped against my chest. We were touching, yes. YES! The moisture is out!
>I coomed.

>>13840665
Based

>>13840243
everything u do is life experience, sitting in ur parents basement watching anime is life experiencing. walking to a shop is life experience. masturbating is life experience. shitting urself is life experience.

>>13840665
>Post example.
As he slipped his penis into her he wondered what is a penis exactly. If the sexual intercourse in which he was engaged was merely a byproduct of evolutionary forces and the byplay of physical laws was there any purpose to the rhythmic movements? As he slapped his body against hers he was overcome with the futility of existence. He picked up his gun from the pile of clothing of the dresser and pointed it to her head, pulling the trigger without hesitation and came inside her, emptying his soul into barren ground. He walks into the bathroom to take a shower.

>>13840639
well prove us wrong. yer a dom schoolgirl wizard, op.

>>13840699
Made me kek out loud

>>13840699
Are extremely violent fantasies a sign of virginity?

>>13840749
Bret Easton Ellis isn't an incel so

>>13840714
How about this. You post me an excerpt from an erotica novel that could not have conceivably been written by a virgin.

>>13840243
Life experience can be very useful for learning lessons from life, they are a common way to gain insight and wisdom. I wouldn't say they're necessary though. There are wise people who lived pretty secluded and uneventful lives while some people have lives full of rich experiences and never learn a damn thing.

>>13840767
"Holy shit she is so frickin kawaii she like literally looks like an anime chick", Morty whispered as he stared at her body. As he approached her she backed away saying, "Money up first desu!". Morty bit back an angry retort and searched through his filthy wallet for a little cash and found three hundred dollar bills. "W-Will this be enough" he stuttered incompetently as he held the crumpled bills towards her. "Enough for what you want but if you decide on anything kinkier you'll need to pay more", she replied. In a fit of rage Morty punched her in the stomach screaming, "I told you to stay in character! What's the fucking point if you don't stay in character bitch! You're supposed to be a kawaii anime girl! Act like one you fucking slut!". Unfazed by his incompetent and girlish punch she sighed and started to get into the anime cosplay costume.
-my diary desu

>>13840849
He is right and you know it anon

>>13840764
He's a pederast though

>>13840842
>Life experience can be very useful for learning lessons from life, they are a common way to gain insight and wisdom.
>>you need to burn your hands to understand that it isn't a good idea to put your hands on a stove

>>13840889
That's based though. Are you saying only homos write edgy fiction?

>>13840896
Read the rest of the post, low IQ anon

>>13840896
>you need to burn your hands to understand that it isn't a good idea to put your hands on a stove
No but generally you need to get burned by something to understand why people don't want to get burned by things.

>>13840243
Sounds like a cope, my guy.

>>13840901
>That's based
Literally no one says this.
Go back.

Nabokov wrote about pedophilia even though he didn't experience it
Dostoy wrote about murder even though he wasn't a murderer

>>13841003
Do you have proof that Nabokov did not have sex with children? Do you have proof that Dostoy did not kill anyone? The burden of proof lies on you for making these claims.

>>13840243
I am a virgin who makes money off of writing smut so hard agree

>>13841003
>even though he didn't experience it
doubt.mp4

>>13840243
You have to though, it’s the same reason why Orwell is popular, he actually experienced everything he wrote about, writing was his gift. Who wants to listen to someone who does not know what they’re talking about.
>I didn’t experience a jolt of reality but I think I have ground to run my mouth and I also believe I’m superior

Sit the fuck down you fucking pussy. You have to develop a sense of patience OP.

>>13841003
Nabokov was Russian. It would be very surprising if he didn't have sex with children. It's part of their culture.

>>13841053
He definitely fucked children , just like how Orwell got shot in the neck.

>>13841023
Post your KDP earnings or fake. Another anon said he was making 4k a month writing that shit and he memed me into it. Countless hours I've put into this shit and only earned £3.

>>13841021
Innocent until proven guilty, anon.

>>13841104
>Innocent until proven guilty
They don't have such laws or ethics in Russia. There it's more like "guilty unless you know the right people".

>>13840949
>my guy.
roasty detected

>>13841170
I originally typed out "my goy" but didn't want to be banned by the nazi mods.

>>13841146
Fuck off faggot, russia is a lawful coutry unlike you nigger ridden shithole
Only in amerimutt land or europoor land you can get away with fucking kids

>>13840243
Yes it is true, this is a really hard thing for many aspiring but introspective and timid young authors to face.
The other thing you have to realize is that almost zero great authors (those read centuries later) had to worry about holding down a job. The vast majority were independently wealthy, and those that weren't were destitute vagabonds.

>>13841195
Shouldn't you be kissing the picture of Putin on your office wall you unimaginative kremlin shill?

>>13840896
>>>you need to burn your hands to understand that it isn't a good idea to put your hands on a stove
actually yeah
a baby won't understand what 'hot' means until he puts his hand in something really hot

>>13841182
bs, that word has nothing to do with this thread
i can smell your stinky vagina
wash your holes

>>13841211
Russians are holy and morally incorruptible people, they also don't worship anything besides God

>>13840243
>can be replicated by a good writer whether or not he's experienced it
It's literature, bb. It does not matter if the interpretation is even close to reality. The writer can take it on a completely different and wrong tack and still create a useful work. There is even hope for the incels: We're all going to make it.

>>13840295
You forgot the herpes sore skillfully obscured by artful use of cosmetics. You could base a whole chapter on this alone.

>>13840600
underrated

>>13841053
kek

>>13840665
Your writing has really matured, Nael.

>>13841053
>It's part of their culture.
I wish

>>13840401
How is that a valid point? We are talking about sexual gratification here, which does fundamentally not differ very much from masturbating, except that the experience is more "intense" in how it makes you feel (though this is not necessary). The description of bodily fluids and the sensory experience of your dick inside a vagina is not that hard to make up. Also, the defnition of a good writer, or artist, is that he can experience things he actually hasn't experienced.

>>13841840
>liking 3dpd
burn in hell

>>13842475
>I am an ideological accuracist
You're not going to make it.

>>13840243
based and baudelairepilled

>>13840243
>OP is so assblasted about being a virgin he makes an entire thread because "have sex" bantz have made him drop his jimmies

have sex

>>13842839
>have sex
Make me.

>Nothing happens while you live. The scenery changes, people come in and go out, that’s all. There are no beginnings. Days are tacked on to days without rhyme or reason, an interminable, monotonous addition. From time to time you make a semi-total: you say: I’ve been travelling for three years, I’ve been in Bouville for three years. Neither is there any end: you never leave a woman, a friend, a city in one go. And then everything looks alike: Shanghai, Moscow, Algiers, everything is the same after two weeks. There are moments—rarely—when you make a landmark, you realize that you’re going with a woman, in some messy business. The time of a flash. After that, the procession starts again, you begin to add up hours and days: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. April, May, June. 1924, 1925, 1926.
>That’s living. But everything changes when you tell about life; it’s a change no one notices: the proof is that people talk about true stories. As if there could possibly be true stories; things happen one way and we tell about them in the opposite sense. You seem to start at the beginning: “It was a fine autumn evening in themselves in a lighthearted way one on top of the other, they are snapped up by the end of the story which draws them and each one of them in turn, draws out the preceding instant: “It was night, the street was deserted.” The phrase is cast out negligently, it seems superfluous; but we do not let ourselves be caught and we put it aside: this is a piece of information whose value we shall subsequently appreciate. And we feel that the hero has lived all the details of this night like annunciations, promises, or even that he lived only those that were promises, blind and deaf to all that did not herald adventure. We forget that the future was not yet there; the man was walking in a night without forethought, a night which offered him a choice of dull rich prizes, and he did not make his choice.
>I wanted the moments of my life to follow and order themselves like those of a life remembered. You might as well try and catch time by the tail.

>>13842917
no wonder you can't get laid lol at that desperation fag

shut your computer off and go outside

>>13840243
>but shit like love, sex, thrill, friendship, etc. can be replicated by a good writer whether or not he's experienced it
No.

>>13840243
Everyone has life experiences, but where they differ is mostly in how much art has gone into them, and since everyone capable of speech is cultivated to some degree or other, a little of the aptitude for vicarious experience can go a long way toward building the power to convey one's own: The process is curiously cumulative, the way amiable people are always drawing one another out by reflecting out loud, listening closely in turn, as if to themselves without the slightest felt hindrance or hesitancy, regardless of the subject. This year I planted a little garden for the first time since before you were born, and now remember how much I made of Clarke's Heavenly Blue on the chain link fence one morning in the space between the house I grew up in, and that of those two peculiar brothers next door, who both managed cinemas within 5 minute commutes, the parties they threw, who said what to whom in the course of them. Of course I won't go further here, amid this welter of raging creeps and vicious politicians, but mention the example only to stress that no one who can string a simple sentence together is dead as they're accustomed to pretending in a setting like this, or whatever hellish hearth they issue from.

>>13842962
>shut your computer off and go outside
Lead by example.

>>13840243
well a lot of life experience simply comes from teh aging process. a writer at twenty is not going to know what it feels like to be 30 or 40. they can guess, but they won't know. a writer who hasn't failed in life, doesn't really know what failure feels like. doesn't konw what it feels like at 30 and what it feels like at 40 or at 50. a writer who hasn't been cheated on doesn't really know how it feels. there's lots of stuff. it's not about going out and living. it's about living and that takes time. when you're 20 years old there's really not much you can write about. you think you are smart and wise, but you have no idea.

>>13840243
That’s a whole lot of words to say, “I’m a virgin,” OP. Typically, people who’ve had sex don’t care about these kind of things.

>>13840243
It's just another excuse normies mak to avoid writing

>>13840243
t. teenager with no life experince

o i am brekeking

>>13840243
>want to write about relationships between other people
>choose that your only way to know what that is like is through other books
>interpret the fictitious depictions of relationships through the personal interpretations of another author
>has a fundamental lack of understanding of how actual relationships work
Perhaps a more grounded example will show you just how retarded this mindset is.
>decides to play piano
>downloads shit loads of sheet music, reads them, learn about technique from videos and books, and becomes knowledgeable enough to have long conversations in depth with professional musicians about music, and to recognize a plethora of pieces, and maybe even really good pitch hearing
>decide to perform in front of a large audience because you know all there is to know about piano
>realize you never touched a piano or similar in your life
>can't play a simple piece despite having it totally memorized because even though you know a shitload about piano, you can't play it.
You are kind of dumb

>>13842927
Insurmountably based

>>13840255
>"..but mooom, I don't wanna go outside!"

That's why the most autistic virgin writers are all poets

>>13840512
>art is about feelings

lmao fuck off

>>13840243
Why can't you write about not having experiences?

>>13845207
The sentiment that art is only about feelings or only about technical skill is bullshit, modernist views. People from the past understood that you do both. Music is the epitome of this, being a highly technical art that manages to be incredibly emotionally investing. The same goes for writing.
Ignoring one or the other is bullshit.
>>13845226
Please write something about not experiencing something that can be engaging. Also, boredom is a form of experience itself, so do avoid that. I will be excited to see this revolutionary non-experience piece of art.

>>13845264
>The sentiment that art is only about feelings or only about technical skill is bullshit, modernist views. People from the past understood that you do both. Music is the epitome of this, being a highly technical art that manages to be incredibly emotionally investing. The same goes for writing.
Ignoring one or the other is bullshit.

See, this is something recently that I can't make my mind up on. Do you think art is giving order to chaos? Eruption of the collective unconscious? Touching some sort of platonic ideal just for a millisecond? God knows.