/lit/ - Literature

>>13811103
>>13811079
>>13811098
Starting with based Chad posts from the last thread. Dude was being a pussy

1st for malazan is a shit, lady is a hack and sanderson is a waifu

sanderfag a hack

Read REH.

What are some sci-fi stories or series (may work better as a series) that present very abstract, esoteric concepts not normally featured in traditional works?
tl;dr where do I find the weird shit

I'm on Wheel of Time book 3, first 2 books were pretty comfy but now that mat is healed we kinda reset back to book 1 where people are acting retarded rand running off to tear solo, yeah great idea and we're in the dark about new things wtf do all these dreams mean. literally discarding shit you spent two books getting the shienaran followers left in ghealdan, the horn delivered to tar valon. idk just venting.

I just read Aftershocks by Marko Kloos, while I enjoyed reading it in the sense that it was entertaining. However the book feels very half-assed and is basically worthless until the sequel is released.

>>13813697
>reading any book from an unfinished series
why did you fall for this meme

>>13813381
I've only read Elantris and I don't read fantasy often, but it was ok. Better than I expected.

what are the best adaptations of Stanislaw Lem?
Solaris was shit, but I liked this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TisfrqvTta0

>be eighteen-year-old
>join local competition for late and early teens.
>rush my short story till the last four weeks
>don't win
>"Fuck. I'll apply myself next time. At least I can get some contacts, maybe shake some hands."
>go to the ceremony
>only guy there
>only guy in the competition
>everyone keeps making jokes about me being the only guy.
>jury is on average about 80+ years old
>the rest of the competition are autistic non-social girls.
>they read the winning short story
>an absolute nothing-burger
>no story or plot at all.
>only flowery descriptions that lead to nothing.
>talk to winning girl, a fifteen-year-old Arab girl.
>go up and ask her what "inspired her"
>"I wanted to write a Black Mirror episode, and I won!!!"
>all the other girls write about meeting people in dreams or just steal plots from Nolan films.
>go home disgusted.
Competitions are a waste of your time guys.

>>13813420
Congrats on your flawless victory.

>>13813381
>still hasn't bothered to update the drive
>month is halfway over
Slacking.

>>13813381
How do i achieve that Sanderson look?

>>13814087
Convert to Mormonism

Which SF books would complement a vacation the most?

For myself I can't decide between bringing Hard to be a God or Roadside Picnic by the Strugatsky bros or Life during Wartime by Lucius Shepard. What does /sffg/ recommend?

>>13814377
None. The purpose of a vacation is to experience where you go.

>>13813598
Just think, only 11 more books to go!!

>>13813381
Sanderson is more capeshit than anime if we're being honest, he's just really bad at the witty snarking. Wheel of Time, now that was an anime series

Holy shit how are you guys still talking about Sanderson? Every month or so I come to visit, its the same tired junk every fucking thread.

Obsessed weirdos looooool

>>13814065
COPE. You lost.

>>13814377
haven't read anything but roadside picnic but that one is definitely good reading material for a vacation. a bit on the short side though, so definitely bring a backup
>>13814491
clueless pseud post. you probably haven't left your house in years.

>>13815099
If you have no leisure time when you aren't on vacation, your work/life balance is entirely wrong.

>>13815111
what exactly are you blabbering about now?

>>13815128
Location dependent events are to be prioritized over location independent events.

>>13814954
We only talk about him ironically now though.

>>13814377
"Life during wartime" is unbearable. The main character is a full-time asshole and the story is boring as fuck (but the stories inside the stories are excellent.)

>>13813566
Book of the New Sun, it's always BotNS.

>>13814954
Sanfa a ha.

>>13813492
Based and Crompilled.

>>13814068
It wasn't me tho

>>13815138
I have 2 legs and they get tired
Also reading certain books isn't a location independent event

Lord of the Rings

https://youtu.be/GtD0TNAr0LI
https://youtu.be/Q8gfFqj3dI0
https://youtu.be/OnYUww2SIbU

>>13814065
You had the right idea and you learned your lesson. If you like what you write that is the important thing. Anyone else, and any competition, can get royally fucked.

>>13815138
As a solo traveller, a book is a must. There's hours I'm going to be spending alone in transportation, on the plane, the airport and the bus.

>>13815099
>>13815373
Life during Wartime sounds like a slow and dull read. Roadside Panic it is. If it's as good as they say then a second read would suffice instead of bringing 2 books to keep baggage light.

>>13815523
You should make it be you.

Anybody read this?

It wasn't complete shit, but definitely not good. Some major problems though. The first third was way too tiresome, just going on and on about the magic system. The main character also made some dumb decisions. The whole army part was complete idiocy. And then the ending was even worse.

anyone got any recommendations for spooky space fantasy / sci

>>13816163
Shouldn't expert much from something self-published.

>>13816359
Blind

>>13816359
Soul Cycle series

>>13816369
>implying books from tradpubs are any different

>>13816439
You may not like the gatekeeper, but at least they keep out the rabble.

>>13816373
>>13816385

thanks

>>13816445
Yes, together with all the innovative ideas or things that aren't mainstream. Traditional publishing is boring.

>>13816471
Yes, I agree that if you are looking for Western LitRPGs as opposed to the Japanese sort, you'll certainly have to look at self-published.

I disagree about the "innovative" and "mainstream" though.

>>13816487
Yes, I agree about white rabbits eating rainbow clouds being a major nuisance for the sky's ecosystem.

I disagree about your disagreement, though.

>>13816445
>but at least they keep out the rabble.
Nice try, Scalzi.

Why is bro-fantasy the best fantasy, bros?

>>13816559
Because you enjoy it the most.

>>13816499
I am John Patrick Rothfuss-Scalzi, Son of Sander

>>13816612
Oh no. Only trips can kill you.

>>13811430
>Are there any middle eastern inspired fantasy?
Rose of the Prophet

>>13816831
Damn. That's a blast from the past. I'd completely forgotten that series existed.

POST FASTER!!!!!

Does anyone know a place that might be interested in reviewing / sharing a fantasy radiodrama I've produced? It's an hour and a half and has a full cast, narration, music, sound fx, and a good story. I'll probably end up putting online for free, but the more I can get the piece shared online to people the better.

>>13817438
The entire post rate for all of /lit/ is only an average of a few per minute. You'll have to go elsewhere for it to be faster.

How do I write fantasy that isn't ya?

>>13817469
By not only reading YA.

>>13817472
But all I really know is forgotten realms and dragon lance

>>13817469
Put sex in it. Also rape and incest. Make all the gay people have been molested when they were children.

>>13817484
But GoT is gey

>>13817484
Plus that's just edgy ya

>>13817479
Then you'll just have to fix that.
Personally I owned basically every FR and DL novel ever published up to about 10 years ago or so. I gave away all the DL but still have most of the FR. It's a lot of novels. I probably read 100+ of them over the course of 1996-2009 or so. I forget. Haven't read any since then.

I've posted this before and may never edit it again.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ3MryU72IzgRW4jkGnAT0765yhwJIw1lSjm6pwf8xXM8Mg1ljnUXlMRZB9CaqJ1gDcc_f7_dW4V6eM/pubhtml#

>>13817501
I've only read a few other things, like the guardians of the flame series by Joel (((surname))). Any recommendations?

>>13817465
Why are you comparing the post rate of lit and sffg? It doesn't make any sense. They are two completely different things.

>>13817515
The post rate of sffg can't be greater than the post rate of lit. It sets up an upper bound. Bursts like these is when most of the posting happens.

>>13817501
To be clear I mean 100+ of the FR novels. Not sure how many of the DL. Not as many though.

>>13817509
No, I don't have any recommendations for you because using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses is dumb.

>>13817469
The standard method currently seems to be make the protagonist a pessemistic recovering alcoholic who’s getting too old for this shit.

>>13817469
Make the main character a middle aged pedophile battling not only with the forces of evil but his desire to fuck children.

>>13817528
>using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses is dumb.
>t. (((Goldbergstein)))
There are no shekels in this thread. Move along.

>>13817537
What if the forces of evil are little children?

>>(((13817528)))

>>13817560
>>13817543
Actually my paternal grandmother is Ashkenazim.

>>13817559
This is a good idea. The forces of evil are immortal children vampires. And the protagonist rapes them. To protect the human children!

>>13817573
So brave.

>>13817568
That means your gay.

Also a jool that can't handle the bantz.

>>13817584
1 drop rule, right?
You may want to get yourself tested as well.

>>13817577
A stunning story, really.

>>13817537
I was thinking the MC could be a vampire hunter that heals lesbian vampires with the power of the D. Forcibly, of course, vampires hate being healed.

>>13817577
I even have an idea to make it make sense within the story. The only way to vanquish a vampire is to make them orgasm. This kills them and the person having sex with them absorbs their life energy and power. At the end of the book the protag has killed the final vampire and has godlike power. Then in the sequel he's the antagonist and has made himself supreme ruler of the world.

>>13817593
Are you trying to subvert my own thoughts about myself? Typical.

>>13817609
Nah, just that you ought to make certain of your identity before you go full identity politics.

I would have said the same regardless.

>>13817602
>I was thinking the MC could be a vampire hunter that heals lesbian vampires with the power of the D. Forcibly, of course, vampires hate being healed.
Maybe he lost his dick in an accident and now has a wooden prosthetic. He fucks but feels no pleasure, making him incredibly frustrated and irritable.

>>13817623
>get your DNA tested before you use memes, goy
>by the way I recommend (((23&me))), it's a great clinic check it out my uncle works there
Really makes you think.

>>13817636
Your posts really make me think you are a midwit or have a very high IQ and extreme psychosis.

>>13817656
I'm tired of memeing you. Please don't respond to me or my posts ever again.

>>13817636
Oh, my mistake. You're just a useful idiot filled with propaganda masquerading as memes then.

>>13817659
>can't even tell when they are responding to a different person
I wouldn't use "midwit".

>>13817665
Are you saying there's more than 1 (one) retarded redditor getting triggered by memes on the same thread?

By the way, I really ought to stop shitting up the thread anymore than I already have. It's been fun and all, but enough is enough. Don't quote me again, thanks.

>>13817680
Get help for your mental illness before you shoot up a school.

>>13817680
Tribalism as well now? You're really going for it.
If you want to be like this guy, I'm all for it.
>>13813420
Those posts are referring to me.

Why do you guys read fantasy?

>>13817685
What part of don't quote me again did you not understand?

>>13817693
It just had to be the tribalism guy. Can't you get a tripcode so I can filter you? Jesus christ.

>>13817706
I have several tripcodes.

>>13817711
Thanks. I'd appreciate it if you posted all of them at once.

>>13817711
Seems that was the wrong one from the drop-down. Maybe it was this one.

>>13817696
I guess I got tired of sci-fi. Fantasy just comes out more. When I try reading sci-fi it's usually the same mil-sf with a different skin.

>>13817706
>What part of don't quote me again did you not understand?
Make me bro.

>>13817719
There we go.

>>13817714
Nah. What fun would that be?
Just filter any post that has words you don't like.

>>13817696
Because it helps me deal with my crushing depression and ever present anxiety

>>13817766
What have you been reading?

>>13817836
Message undelivered. Return to sender.

>>13814065
All awards are now diversity participation trophies

>>13817945
#straightwhitemalemediocrity

Just finished The Lost Fleet Dauntless and it was shallow, boring garbage, with complete lack of descriptions and detail, shitty writing and worse dialogue, really cant understand how this crap have 4 stars on shitreads.
Please recommend me some other military sf with space battles and sheit.

>>13818122
I thought the same thing. Try The Praxis. I won't say it's good, but it's better. If you do find something good, don't forget to post, though.

>>13818122
I think you'd be hard pressed to find low rated stuff on goodreads because the people who like seem to do so much more than people who don't like it and I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't at least some manipulation going on with a lot of these since people seem to think it's so important.

>>13818122
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16006991-monsieur

This is what has to be done to get a lower rating.

>>13818178
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/23974.Worst_Rated_Books_on_Goodreads

>>13816143
Nah

>>13818206
Don't be so passive.

>>13816471
Imagine shilling this hard to justify beating off to futanari squirrel girls also, your taste is shit

>>13818210
I'm not

>>13818150
I bought Praxis few months ago, but didnt start to read it yet.

>>13818152
I noticed that, but still, that crap has 3.94 rating, ive read ton of books with lower rating which were masterpieces compared to it. Even The Shadow of the Torturer has lower rating, so either there is some manipulation going down or people have shit taste.

>>13818190
Some of those are genuinely hysterical. The comments... It's been a while since I had a good laugh like this.

>>13817693
It's for your own good

>>13816163
It's on my wishlist along with about ten other mildly interesting-sounding books.

>>13818190
>Birth Control is Sinful in the Christian Marriages and also Robbing God of Priesthood Children!!
>A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality
>Coming Out Straight: Understanding and Healing Homosexuality
>The Weight Loss Cure ""They"" Don't Want You to Know About
Fucking good shit. Laughed audibly.

>>13818529
Mildly interesting isn't worthwhile.
Have higher standards and value your time more.

>>13818523
You couldn't come up with a better lie than that?

>>13813381
Newfag here. Does anyone know any good recommendations for something like pic related?

>>13818580
Well, maybe you could explain what it is and why you liked it, first.

>>13818623
Death game mixed with MULTIPLE TIMELINES.

>>13818580
Good job posting a maximum spoiler image without using the spoiler image function.

>>13818638
That sort of non-linearity doesn't work well in a linear book. It would have to be a Choose Your Own Adventure Style Book that loops back to a central point.

>>13818580
Did you even play the other games?

>>13818674
Yeah

>>13818652
Explain how it's a spoiler. There's no fucking context you retard.

>>13818667
I was hoping something like a groundhog's day loop where it'll continue on from a past decision.

>>13818684
A spoiler is a spoiler regardless of context.
Anyone who hadn't played the game would later know how much of a spoiler it is.

>>13818695
You're a retard.
nigger he doesn't even show up until the very end. Someone new wouldn't even know who the fuck this nigga is.

>>13818700
But that's wrong. He's there the entire time. Also, I think his existence was a really dumb plot device, especially considering how it was done.It wasn't fair play.

PKD has been the closest I've come to something like ever17 in terms of mindfuckery.
WHERE IS THE WEIRD SHIT ALREADY GODDAMMIT

>>13818736
I've read most of his books. I WANT MORE.

>>13818727
read, he doesn't "show up" until the end

>>13818744
You've read almost 50 novels and 130 short stories by PK?

>>13818769
The fuck? I thought the bitch only had like 10

>>13818736
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/920795.The_New_Weird

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_weird

>>13818773
PKD novels

A Maze of Death
A Scanner Darkly
A Time for George Stavros
Clans of the Alphane Moon
Confessions of a Crap Artist
Cosmic Puppets
Counter-Clock World
Crack in Space
Deus Irae
Divine Invasion
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Dr. Bloodmoney
Dr. Futurity
Eye in the Sky
Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said
Galactic Pot-Healer
Ganymede Takeover
Gather Yourselves Together
Humpty Dumpty in Oakland
In Milton Lumky Territory
Man in the High Castle
Man Who Japed
Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike
Martian Time-Slip
Mary and the Giant
Nicholas and the Higs
Nick and the Glimmung
Now Wait for Last Year
Our Friends from Frolix 8
Pilgrim on the Hill
Puttering About in a Small Land
Radio Free Albemuth
Solar Lottery
The Broken Bubble
The Game-Players of Titan
The Owl in Daylight
The Penultimate Truth
The Simulacra
The Transmigration of Timothy Archer
The Unteleported Man (Lies,Inc.)
The Zap Gun
Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch
Time Out of Joint
Ubik
VALIS
Voices from the Street
Vulcan's Hammer
We Can Build You
World Jones Made

>>13818122
This was the prime example as to why lefties should not be allowed anywhere military aesthetics. That thing was an abomination. The character interactions and the stained moral philosophy injected into the story are the kind of things that can only be born out of a damaged mind.

>>13818791
There you again with the tribalistic identity politics.

>>13818773
>PKD
>bitch

>PKD
>a measly 10 works

>>13818775
I don't think this is the kind of weird I want. Point me to the stories where I'm actually a 4th-dimensional being the entire time, or everything is actually a simulation, or some strange abstract stuff related.

>>13818799
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick_Award

I can't be bothered to actually try right now.

>>13818150
>>13818252
imo praxis is pretty much the same as lost fleet but with less action. all the tropes are identical. only the main characters are smart, the military is retarded, there's a high ranking officer who almost ruins everything, etc. liked both though. definitely pulp, but enjoyably so.
if you're looking for decent space battles and you didn't like lost fleet, you're probably out of luck.

there's forever war but you've probably read that and it's not as focused on battles.

>>13818798
He’s right tho

>>13818877
just stop replying to that idiot. he's obviously trolling. i'd be surprised if he even discusses books in this general

>>13818799
This Is the Way the Universe Ends: with a Bang - Brian Dolton
Crystal Nights - Greg Egan
Learning To Be Me - Greg Egan
Twilight of the Gods - John C. Wright
The Man in Grey - Michael Swanwick
A Spaceship Named McGuire - Randall Garrett
Sailing to Byzantium - Robert Silverberg
Daddy's World - Walter Jon Williams

>>13818893
You wouldn't actually be surprised.
You're just saying that to make yourself seem confident.
I do discuss.

>>13818910
does your "discussion" consist of posts like these by any chance?
>>13814491
>>13815111
>>13815138

>>13818904
Greg Egan is a good answer, most of his work is related to the question. Permutation City is probably his most famous work and it fits. There is also a Transition Dreams story which I found pretty scary.

>>13818927
Those 3 are of some of my many posts, yes.

>>13818931
Those are all short stories and similar length.
I haven't actually liked Egan's longer works, for whatever reason.

>>13818904
>>13818812
I will look through these shortly. I love Egan; his Axiomatic short story collection is my absolute favorite.

https://chooseyourstory.com/story/viewer/default.aspx?StoryId=7397
Better than 98% of fantasy. Absolutely zero regrets. Why is it so hard to find books so blatantly fun?

>>13818962
Because your definition of "fun" is most peoples' definition of "trash".

>>13818965
Well, there's a lot of trash books so that shouldn't invalidate anything.

>>13818966
Next you're going to start reading this sort as well.
https://www.hooked.co/
Click on the downward blue arrow at the bottom to see an example.

>>13813381
Why is Magician not in the /lit/ chart for fantasy, but Daughter of the Empire is?

>>13818987
Anon please I just wanted a power fantasy have mercy.

>>13818991
Because the OP wants to push their charts and their taste.

>>13818992
I refuse. Surely there must be better ways to indulge yourself.

>>13818850
I dont mind those tropes, what ruined Dauntless for me was terrible writing, no physical descriptions of character or enviroments (The only mental generated image is generic ship / planet / space / male / female etc.), characters behaving like they are mentally retarded (navy forgot any semblance of tactic and military etiquette in 100 years), world building is poor with no information how it's like to live in the future or how the Syndicate is different from the Alliance.

>>13819016
from memory i think the praxis is actually better than lost fleet in those areas so hopefully you enjoy it.

>finally start writing again
>can't make more than 150 words of progress in a sitting before crashing

why am I like this /sffg/?

>>13817696
I read fantasy because I only read fiction for the sake of entertainment. Real life is too boring for me to seek entertainment from it, and impossible things really activate my almonds

>>13819065
For saying it isn't good, you seem to be pushing it hard.

>>13819083
huh?

>>13819081
You lack discipline
You lack structure
You lack motivation
You lack passion
You lack goals
You lack determination
You pretend you actually want to write
You pretend you have something to write about
You pretend that it'll be worthwhile
You pretend that you have realistic expectations
You are unable to control what you do
You are unable to resist pleasure
You are unable to do what needs to be done

>>13819095
>>13818150
>>13818850
>>13819065

>>13819065
Thanks.

>>13819107
fuck off autismo

>>13819115
Must feel bad to feel so powerless like you do right now,

>>13819127
cancer

>>13813455
Sanders is the hacker forchan

>>13819137
It's not necessarily to self-describe what you are.

>>13813381
I enjoyed The Lathe Of Heaven, pls recc moar Taoist fantasy/sci fi..

>>13817993
Women aren't interesting what are you up about

>>13819185
They aren't interested in you, that's for certain.

>>13819193
>t. speaking from experience

Is Too Like the Lightning a piss take on progressive self-determination or is it a sincere utopia to the author? I only got a few chapters in and I'm calling it for a quick DNF. Just mildly curious if the author's belief becomes more apparent later, since it seemed like it could go either way.

>>13819193
Well, I'm not one to toot my own horn. But...

>>13819420
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Palmer

>>13819420
>I gradually developed this world that is somewhere between utopia and dystopia, that has so many things we desperately want—world peace, an unprecedented degree of political self-determination, a 20-hour work week, and the end of violence, particularly religious violence. But it also has elements that should set off quasi-dystopian warning bells.

>>13819420
Looking at someone's social media is the quickest , easiest, and perhaps best way to understand on a superficial level that is sufficient for most to form an instant opinion.

https://twitter.com/Ada_Palmer

>>13819478
>https://twitter.com/Ada_Palmer
lol typical braindead leftshit.

>>13819478
>disability/chronic pain
lol

>>13819478
>https://twitter.com/Ada_Palmer
>that pic of jupiter
fuck i hate that planet

>>13817714
You are the worst anon we have in this thread.
Can you please get a tripcode?
I am sick of you posting the same bullshit, getting the same counterarguments, and then not responding.

>>13819502
that's not very jovial of you

>>13813598
God speed. I only made it through book 6.

>>13818558
They're you go being a pussy again

>>13818933
How horrible.

Sooooo anyone read anything good lately? Only proper sci-fi pls.

>>13819706
revelation space was pretty good, give that a try. don't know how to describe it without giving the plot away but it's proper sci fi that deals with big concepts

>>13819849
What did you think of the second prefect book that got put out recently?

>>13819938
didn't read either. 'ate prequels

>>13817459
Put it on youtube, or package it nicely up and place it on a torrent.

>>13818736
Try Vellum by Hal Duncan

>>13818782
which are these are top tier? anybody recommend one outside of the ones ive read. I have read the following:
A Maze of Death
A Scanner Darkly
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Dr. Bloodmoney
The Penultimate Truth
The Simulacra
Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch
Time Out of Joint (just purchased)
Ubik
VALIS

>reading Fantasy anthology with multiple writers
>skip all the female writers

>>13819938
I read that when it came out and it was very well done. I think it is one of Reynolds' best stories, considering the pacing was spot-on. I was pulled into the plot about 5% in and didn't let up until the end of the book. Was not expecting it to be so gripping this time. I enjoyed the first Prefect a lot but Prefect 2 was even better.

>>13820067
It's not even really a prequel since it takes place in an area not covered in RS nor does it have anything to do with RS' overarching plot. It's just a slice of RS universe before the Melding Pot fucked everything up.

>>13819849
I was actually thinking about something new-ish, say within 5 past years or so.
Besides I never found Reynolds particularly interesting.

Better late than never. Anyway it's a lovely time of the year. If I never post again it's because I've mistakenly eaten poisonous mushrooms and died.

>>13820536
>C. J. Cherryh
>Susanna Clarke
>Ursula K. Le Guin
>Kelly Link
>Patricia A. McKillip
>Robin McKinley
>Hope Mirrlees
>C. L. Moore
>Evangeline Walton

You're missing out.

>>13820997
Moore is the only one worth reading on that list. And you left out Leigh Brackett and Tanith Lee.

>>13820881
>mistakenly
You know we all want to die here. There would be no mistake about it.

Why does SF Masterworks have absolutely the worst covers?

Why does Orson Scott Card have such garbage fucking endings
I just finished Children of the mind and it's literally fucking nothing

Why the fuck does he keep going "muh familia" route

I bet the faggot thinks he's actually ender

>>13820997
>>13821001
You're both retarded because you left out CS Friedman

>>13813492
I do, often and with love.

>>13815425
Why do people like this so much? It was boring and bland.

>>13821001
McKillip is just as good as Tanith prose wise.
Tanith's (much) stronger when it comes to themes though.

>>13821512
For some reason I always confuse her with that child rapist that wrote Avalon.

Janny Wurst is also decent if you enjoy epyc fantasy...

Is there a cattier protag?

>>13818736
Iron Dragon's Daughter. It's not a series btw, even if goodreads says it is. It stands completely on its own.
Islanders and Wanders by Cockayne

Both have a fairly complicated structure.

>>13821623
On a sidenote, Dragons of Babel and most of Swanwick's works are also what you're seeking.

Stations of the Tide and Vacuum Flowers are proper complicated novels full of symbolism.

>>13820551
idk i just find it really hard to care about anything when i know what the ultimate fate of the universe is. or hell, when i know the glitter band will go to shit and make anything that happens during these novels meaningless. call me a pleb, i really do read sci-fi for the themes and plots and the characters and their lives only matter to me in that context. literally can not bring myself to care what some cop on one planet of the huge universe gets up to, after i've read what the resolution to the galaxy-spanning main conflict is.

i might have been more willing to read it before i read absolution gap. or if you told me if it works as a legit stand-alone sci-fi novel that explores interesting concepts, like say, diamond age (off the top of my head)

>actually reading foid authors
Why do people do this to themselves?

>>13821603
>woman protag
>woman author
>woman critic

>>13821672
>woman author
Ilona Andrews is a portmanteau of the husband and wife combo that wrote it.

pretty good, kind of a nice comfy adventure until it picks up at the end

>>13821691
oh shit i'm sorry

>>13821696
Black Company sure is fun.

>>13818991
>>13818998
I made none of the charts in the sticky, except for one chart in mega.
The reason is that the charts linked are by far the best /sffg/ has to offer. I don't like some choices, but for the lack of a better alternative these will do.
Also Magician was garbage, and shouldn't be included for the same reason I removed Jordan+Sanderson charts.
Haven't read that other book, but the few times that a discussion came up about it here, most anons seemed to think it was the best Feist book.
Anyways, you are just salty that I removed your LitRPG-tier book charts containing books for literal children and teenagers.

>>13819849
revelation space's characters are so wooden and boring like goddamn. I'd recommend risen empire/killing of worlds if you want hard-ish sci-fi.

>>13821786
wooden characters in a sci-fi book? i don't believe this

>>13821786
is it a duology that concludes the story like in forge of god/anvil of stars? or are we waiting for more books

>>13821922
it was supposed to be a single book, and the ending is ambiguous, but yeah, desu it ties up all loose ends but doesn't quite conclude the story.

>>13821660
Nigga you crazy.

>>13821930
but will it leave me blueballed?

If you were to make a chart and put fantasy books there with ratings going from 1 to 10. what would be some of the books that you feel are 1/10, 5/10 and 10/10 etc.? (same with scifi) Interesting to know because I only read so much fantasy and sci-fi (mostly classics) and wanna see how others, who are way more versed than me, feel and would rank their best and least good fantasy and sci-fi out there.

I've developed a specific taste in the past few years and I seem to have exhausted the available offerings.
The stuff I'm looking for is meaningful character development, good dialogue, navigating high/foreign society, heavy worldbuilding, more mystery than action.
I'll pass on anything grimdark or with videogame-y action sequences or magic systems.
The Goblin Emperor, everything by Robin Hobb, Lois McMaster Bujold, Guy Gavriel Kay and Naomi Novik, the Feist/Wurts Empire trilogy are what I've found like this so far.

>>13820517
of what you haven't listed

Personally I've liked:
Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said
The Game-Players of Titan

were okay:
Clans of the Alphane Moon
Galactic Pot-Healer
Martian Time-Slip
Solar Lottery
Vulcan's Hammer

>>13820881
>still haven't provided a download

>Accidentally turned somebody against a book I hate by convincing them the author is misogynistic because there isn't a female PoV

>>13821305
Cause they're cheap

>>13819478
Jesus H. Christ, that's some stereotypical late millennial tier shit.

>>13821657
We don't know the fate of the universe, only the Milky Way. They do work as a standalone series though. A new reader would not need to read RS or anything in the RSverse to understand the Prefect books.

>>13822459
>Martian Time-Slip
>okay
wew lad

I NEED UNCROWNED AND I NEED IT NOW

>>13822783
Literally 10 days anon. It’ll be ok

>>13822777
I don't know if that means you thought it was better or worse than that.

>>13816612
>>13816726
is it trips, is Scalzi nig over?

>>13818991
Magicians? You mean the gay book that can't decide if it wants to be narnia or college harry potter?

Would you read The Dynasty of Poop if anon was to release it?

>>13823653
Probably not.

>>13821305
some of them are good. also that isn't even the worst SF masterworks cover for fifth head

>>13822783
>"I was initially skeptical about the introduction of sexy vampires, but the supernatural love triangle really sold me."
Are you ready for sexy vampire sluts?

>>13821754
Based. Litrpgfags btfo

>>13821305
>>13823768
The purple/green color combo can only be appreciated by gentlemen of quality

>new translator
>starts regularly using “y’all”

My god....

>>13824304
I grew up in texas and had no idea yall was considered trash tier slang until high school. I cant stop saying it though

ripping through the Hainish Cycle, fellas.
Surprised to say that I can't find any star maps of the league of all worlds. Guess I'll have to be that geek, huh...

>>13824306
y'all is objectively the best, most natural and intuitive option for the second person plural in english

>>13824306
Bitches love that Texas drawl so don’t worry about it.

Has anyone here read the Kingkiller series? I'm halfway through the first book and really enjoying it but I wonder if someone else feels weirded out by the way Rothfuss portraits romantic relationships? I mean, I know the whole book is pretty much a masturbation of the MC's awesomeness, but c'mon, does it really have to be an incel dream? Besides that I'm fucking love the whole University and how the magic works, it reminds me of Harry Potter but written in a more pedantic way

>>13824398
Loving*

>>13824306
Saying it out loud is fine, especially if you're from a part of the country where that's normal. It's only obnoxious when forced into a written sentence as an attempt to be gender-neutral, usually by people from the north where nobody actually talks like that.

>>13824412
As opposed to "you guys"? But there are situations in which "you guys" would be inappropriate, aren't there? ESL here, this is more of a question than a correction

>>13824398
Yeah, cuck fiction is a big problem, there's some stuff later on that makes it even weirder.
Unlike a lot of people, I also liked it, though after consideration there are some "issues" which come to mind. Not a chance in hell it's getting finished though.

>>13824436
I'm so glad I don't read fast, though by his pace even then I will probably finish the second before his done with the third. I agree there are plenty of other major mistakes he makes throughout the book, I'm honestly just glad to have some well thought DnD-ish setting to scape to from time to time. I don't think I'd recommend it to anyone but it really appeals to my tastes

>>13815625
>>13815625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fytHDD_nDM

Chapter Four week four is up!

On audiobook 2 right now. The Hyperion series is fucking amazing

Any good novels about UFO conspiracy/abductions?

>>13813566

Anything by Greg Egan,

>>13821561

I must admit I'm nearly done with book two and it's beginning to test my patience.

>>13823619
He means Magician by Feist.

What do they eat?

>>13824731
Each other.

>>13824731
>>13824731
Maybe Sauron sustains them through ethereal means.

>>13824731
Maggoty bread

Okay, I tried a new Wizard subclass based on the Shepherd Druid. Tell me what you think /5eg/

>>13818991
Because the Empire trilogy shits all over the stuff Feist wrote without Wurts.

>>13824731
They have farms. Volcanic ash is food for plants.

>>13824975
fuck, I just realized I posted this in the wrong thread

janitors, please delete this

>>13821696
>>13821699
Black Company is maximum comfy. I tried Hammer’s Slammers. Wasn’t bad, but with the constantly changing narrator it was hard to get comfy with it.

>>13820185
Absolute shit book and pretentious garbage. I regret reading it to the end. The one random cyberpunk try-hard part made me cringe. Also the author is a disgusting faggot (literally)

>>13819478
Welp I’ll have to pass on her book then

>>13820997
>no robin hobb
Shittiest of tastes

sometimes I think about the fact that Stephenie Meyer took the effort to make a new interpretation of vampires and then wasted it on a teen romance novel

>>13821127
I made this for you.

>>13822469
Find your own download instead of expecting me to spoonfeed you. I've already told you where to look.

>>13825573
The twilight books are better than 85% of the shit posted in these threads

yall ever read these ?

>>13825723
Read the first one, it was okay. Pretty interesting at times but lost me somewhat in the second half. Will probably read the rest soon.

>>13825733
Dark Forest is the best sci-fi I've ever read, the multi-disciplinary knowledge of Liu, and his sheer volume of interesting ideas is pretty remarkable. Death's End goes even further, but becomes a bit messy.

>>13825741
Cool, i'll check it out!

>>13825723
Was reading an epub of the second one a couple months ago when my hard drive died and I've been too lazy to find another pirated copy. I'm surprised three body ever got published with how hard it comes down on the communist party and the revolution.

Any book for this feel that isn't Lovecraft?
I'm not interested by the cult side as much as the character going batshit insane looking for hidden meanings in art and the path to the Mansus that lies beyond the dream.
Someone recommended The Athenian Murders the last time I asked, which was a good read but not exactly what I was looking for.

Just read Lilith by George MacDonald. It was excellent. Much thanks to the anon who shilled it.

I liked these books but I also intensely dislike the fans of this series.
Anyone else encounter this feeling with other titles.

>>13819101
>>13819081

Classic coomer

>>13824975
>>13825124

Pls guide the litrpgfags back to /tg/ with you. Jannies have no power here

>>13824975
>5e

>>13819101
How does one combat this?

>>13826040
Go outside everyday.

How much worse are Endymion and Rise of Endymion compared to Hyperion?

>>13825723
first one is okay, second one is bretty gud if you don't mind some chinese melodrama, third is pretty great.

Teranesia by Greg Egan

I've always wanted to read Permutation City, and was intrigued by Egan being a mathematician, an edgy recluse and write SF. I saw this in a bookshop, and it was cheap, so I bought it.

What a fucking drag and a piece of shit. The main character is Indian and gay, whilst the author is a white Australian heterosexual. How can you possibly write that, and why? I'm cca 120 pages in (out of cca 300) but I just dropped it, can't stand it anymore. He's a shitty writer, treats a reader like a retard, explains random shit everyone understands, is a smug MUH SCIENCE idiot. The story is boring, the atmosphere and feel is nonexistent, characters are flat and shit. Now I'm sorry that I've wasted some time with it, but more than that, I'm sorry I picked it up before Permutation City, because I now of course don't want to but it since Egan is a moron.

Anyone here read both mayhaps?

>>13826120
Do you enjoy feel good fanfic fixit stories in which the Shrike acts out of character?
Do you enjoy amazing landscapes and worldbuilding?
Do you like loli messiahs?
Do you enjoy a MC who is more annoying and whiny than the average male anime protagonist?
Do you enjoy one genuinely great character who is torn between his duty and his knowledge that what he is doing is completely wrong?
Do you like a story in which some character from the previous book turned into what is basically a comic book tier villain?
Then you'll love Endymion/Rise of Endymion

Jaime Lannister is the best written character in any fantasy novel and it's not even close.

>local nationally renowned bookstore doesn't have any Terry Pratchett because it doesn't have a fantasy section despite having a respectable collection of scifi
ok
prejudice is gay

>>13826209
If it's not there, just pirate it.

>>13826198
>asshole character has a character arc and becomes a not-asshole character
Wow.

>>13826169
Hmm. That does sound kinda bad but on the other hand there's that captivating phrase, loli messiah.

>>13826266
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it but it was a definite step down from Hyperion

Anyone hard sci-fi you guys would recommends?? Thank you in advance!!

>>13826281
>hard sci-fi

>>13826198
Nice bait.
Good on you pretending the most generic redemption arc possible is a master piece.

>>13826340
Name a well written character, you can't.
Except for Kvothe. He is a perfectly realistic portrayal of a cuckold

>>13826281
I won't bore you with the classics that everyone here has probably read by now.
Of the new-sih works I would naturally recommend Blindopraxia by Peter Watts. Also Rifters by him.
Andy Weir's Martian is a very well researched novel if you're up for some hard near future sci-fi (and fun to boot).
Not a novel but a short story called The First Cup of Coffee War by James H. Cobb.

>>13826434
Cheers !!

>>13824431
Y'all is an abbreviated form of "you all", not you guys.

>>13824306
>>13824304
I don't live in Klapistan, not even on their continent, and yall is used all over my country.
Americlaps have to learn the world doesn't revolve around them. Not because it's mostly the cowboys in merica that use something doesn't make other places bad.

>>13826531
>Americlaps have to learn the world doesn't revolve around them.
But it does, peasant.

>>13824487
>>13824398
Don't read the second book. You will be extremely disappointed. Just stop at the first book and keep your somewhat happy memories.

>>13824547
>>13815625
No one cares, lord of the bore fag.

>>13826026
>Jannies have no power here
Is that why you same pol shit multiple times every thread?

>>13824975
I knew those fa/tg/aggots where shitting up the general with their maps and retarded logic. Now I have proof.

>>13826565
based dyslexic poster

>>13825507
Back to rebbit where you can enjoy your suffer porn with link minded others.

>>13825716
Wanna know how we know that you are trying to not let us know that you are a female that grew up on Meyer? I net you enjoyed the host and divergent.>>13825716

>>13826571
Fag Taggot? What is a taggot?
It's not dyslexia. They gag on their own fumes after playing dnd, designing maps, and crafting cyoas there. So they are fat gaggots.

THREAD BITCH

>>13820536
Based.

>>13826783
>>13826783
>>13826783

New

>>13813598
I tend to find book 3 very exciting,

Some of the things you're confused about definitely make way more sense in retrospect, especially the dreams.

Some of the dream stuff is Forsaken doing Forsaken stuff, but some of the other dreams are just the characters' special abilities coming into form

>>13814837
It's such an anime series that I kind of wonder if Robert Jordan was a weeaboo.

>>13817469
The main thing about book audiences is the age of its Central characters.

It's hard to write a book with mature and dark themes when your characters are teens or in their early twenties.

Most people reading Harry Potter start at roughly the age of Harry in book one, the same goes for most other books.

>>13824641
Hyperion and the fall are amazing, it might leave one or two lose ends, but you can live with them. Endymion's series, on the other hand sucks, don't bother with them, I was about to kill Simmons after then tenth "I will explain later", without knowing that one hundred more were coming

Does anyone have any good recommendations for fantasy books that deal with social justice issues? I have to read a book that deals with social justice issues for an English assignment but dont feel like reading some modern day thing that will bore me.

>>13826281
>>13826434
Why nobody suggests Marusek? The Wedding Album and Counting Heads were more than amazing, Mind Over Ship (heads part 2) is next on my to read list