/lit/ - Literature

>>13738127
I'm glad I never fell for the dostoebsky meme.

I like all of the evidence that he gives for these delusions as well...

>>13738142
He is literally a reactionary facist
And tolstoi is just a ultra conservative christfag

>>13738142
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Schiff

>>13738142
>>13738154


Got to love the retardation of /lit/, he predicted everything that was going to happen perfectly and you both are still acting like he is some lunatic conspiracy theorist.

>>13738173
such as?

>>13738142
>>13738154
>>13738173
basically this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIavCjjRg8k 1:33

>>13738176
I mean, he is telling exactly what is going to happen with Russia here, as the Jews made up about 80% of the leadership of the Soviet Union. Socialism was just a useful tool to bait the masses into hating each other. What followed was essentially the most evil doctrine in history. If you were a Christian, you got sentenced and worked to death in Siberia. That's why Hitler needed to relocate all the Jews as well – he knew that he may have to wage war with the Jewish-run Soviet Union later on. It's the exact same thing that happened in the US with the Japanese camps after Pearl Harbor. Furthermore on the United States topic, the Federal Reserve is an institution founded and controlled mostly by the Jews as well, as Dostoyevsky brilliantly states how the Jewish bank will outlive everything.

Rank his books : brothers k, idiot, c&p, demons, notes from underground

>>13738335
Demons followed by the Idiot, Charls Carrol blogz

fake quote.
also wasn't he a part of the Petrashevsky Circle?

>>13738335
Brothers K > C&P > Notes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Idiot

Haven't read Demons.

>>13738269
>Socialism was just a useful tool to bait the masses into hating each other

Christian masses never hated each other? Did the thirtyyears war happen? Civil war in the (Christian) US was just about slavery? Did the medici family, one of the wealthiest in Florence, believe in judaism, or catholicism?

>>13738127

Where exactly does Dostojevski transport this (supposed) antisemitism in his works? Are his novels about the human mind, conscience, his relationship with and the reasons for evil... or are they political? If so, name one political novel he wrote?!

>>13738407
>he didnt get the idiot

>>13738413
It was poorly written & rushed. Compare the mc's rant about evil catholics vs. the erudite discussion between the essences of orthodoxy & catholicism in brothers karamazov.

The idiot was dosto's first and failed attempt at exploring the ideas that he presented masterfully in brothers karamazov.

>>13738445
You're reading Dostoyevsky for the wrong reasons

>>13738408
The Christian peoples committed atrocities against each other and others. So did the Jews. The fact that it's controversial to say that Jews also committed atrocities really says it all.

>>13738408
As long as there are people, there will be some kind of conflict between them, that's just basic human nature. Christianity taught people to love their neighbours and humanity in general. Under socialist thought in the Soviet Union, if you criticized the system, you got put into labor camps without a trial for even the smallest of missteps. These weren't your regular prison, it was a minimum of 10 years of hard labour with minimum rest, you were pretty likely to die there or at the very least contract a debilitating illness.

Also, the teaching was that everybody was equal in every sense and therefore the only way someone could have more riches than them was by being an oppressor. Even in a basic society there is always envy between different wealth classes or people who do better in general vs the people who are doing worse in life, but this doctrine kicked it into absurd gear. The richer farmers got marked as kulaks anyway and got sent to the camps, but say if you wanted to get rid of someone you hated, you could just inform on them and they would be sent away. Informants themselves got better apartments and bonuses, etc. This created a truly fucked up society where nobody trusted anyone, as anyone you knew could be an informant and send you to Siberia, but even keeping quiet didn't always save you as someone could just outright lie and you would still be fucked.

I don't really get what point you are trying to make with the wars desu. The point people are trying to make is that when an Italian family is at the head of an Italian banking institution, that's normal, but when Jews are running an American banking system or the majority Russian Soviet Union, that is a bit fucked. Personally I'm quite fond of the Jewish economical system, so I'm not complaining, but I can see why others have a problem with it.

If you read The Brothers Karamazov, about 3/4 of the way through, when Alyosha goes to see Lise, she tells him how she read about a Jew who cut off a boy's fingers and watched him die. This is a reference to all the various ritualistic murders that the Jews have committed on the indigenous populations for centuries. That's also a big reason for why they have been expelled from many countries in history.

>>13738494
ok bud

>>13738521
>This is a reference to all the various ritualistic murders that the Jews have committed on the indigenous populations for centuries.
>This is a reference to all the bullshit stories peasants make up about outsiders for centuries and beyond

Fuck, i really hate /pol/ i mean damn, i've always thought they were wasting their braincells on absolute bullshit, but now they infest every corner of 4chan with their backwards, 19th century drivel.

Bad old ideas always have the upper hand against good new ones, but holy shit, seriously, fuck you, you braindead cunts.

>>13738521

>As long as there are people, there will be some kind of conflict between them, that's just basic human nature

Being a bully is discouraged even in kindergarten - that's basic human nature, too.

>Christianity taught people to love their neighbours and humanity in general

Hence they have a dead man on a cross as a symbol...


>Under socialist thought in the Soviet Union, if you criticized the system, you got put into labor camps without a trial for even the smallest of missteps. These weren't your regular prison, it was a minimum of 10 years of hard labour with minimum rest, you were pretty likely to die there or at the very least contract a debilitating illness.

In the context of WWII, yes, but the same happened everywhere. Outside of it - critique all you want, look at Solzhenitsin (funny how he has лжe in his name - means "lie" in russian).

>>13738619
>>Christianity taught people to love their neighbours and humanity in general
>Hence they have a dead man on a cross as a symbol...
stopped reading there

>>13738657

Truth must hurt, they probably taught you sacrifice is righteous and noble, and the mundane and natural is evil.

>>13738407
Maybe I'm a brainlet but I really thing Crime and Punishment is far superior to the Brothers Karamazov but many people seems to prefer the Brother Karamazov.

>>13738142
he's a genius. who cares if he has dumb political beliefs?

>>13738719
What was dumb about his political beliefs?
Try to be specific and explain your reasoning.

>>13738700
>>>13738657 (You)
stopped reading there

>>13738536
>>This is a reference to all the bullshit stories peasants make up about outsiders for centuries and beyond

>>13738536
Something isn't false just because you don't like it, nor is something false because the media tells you it's false.

>>13738743
Why would jews convert?

>>13738269
>Jews made up about 80% of Soviet leadership

Stopped reading after that. Literal fucking hitlerite bullshit

>>13738799
It's true you fucking ignorant prick.

>>13738799
wow look at this crazy hitlerite!

>>13738815
>quotes a billionaire dictator clown
faggot

>>13738775
To avoid expulsion and continue undermining host nation i imagine.

>>13738799
Don't worry. It was not only the Soviets, it was every socialist or communist revolt that happened in Europe during the interwar period was led by majority jews.

This is a historical fact.

>>13738799

buuump

>>13739281
Why? All the leftists always leave as soon as they are shown jews incited the communist revolutions. Tomorrow we will have the same thread again because by then the leftist have supposedly never even heard of jews inciting the communist revolutions.

>>13738706
They're both excellent, and I suspect preference for one or the other is largely influenced by which theme resonates more with the reader. I think there are many people who are dissatisfied with today's atheistic societies for various reasons, both consciously and unconsciously, and that's why TBK resonates so heavily.

>>13739297
>gradually i began to hate them.

Sweaty he's a wh*te chr*stian str**ght m*n, he was never not cancelled

>>13739315
>gradually i began to hate them.
You laugh, but that is how it works

>>13738127
B A S E D

>>13738142
How long can you really ignore the jq

Lefties literally don’t even exist anymore because they refuse to acknowledge the jews

>>13739330
I know.

>>13738335
Demons > Notes > The Idiot > C&P
Haven't read karamazov yet but im guessing it's considered his best work

What's up with retarded /pol/tards finding confirmation bias in Dosto's works? The message in these books is the total opposite of a fascist viewpoint. I'm starting to think people who post here have never read anything by him, and have just watched bunch of summaries. Like Dosto's whole thing was that characters had their own views on the world, and often were influenced by current events and their own upbringing. I guess people often confuse the reactionary views of his characters to Dosto's views himself. The character closest to himself he wrote was the protagonist of The House of the Dead, and he was getting along just fine with the worst of kikes and muslims, because he genuinely believed in the human in them when you wash away all the dirt. Like if you think Andrei in TBK or the narrator in Demons are self-inserts for Dostoevsky, you are fucking dumb, and wasted your time reading these books. Saying that he's a contemporary reactionary is idiotic considering his works predicted decades of Russia's history, and are still relevant to this day.

>>13739800
>What's up with retarded /pol/tards finding confirmation bias in Dosto's works? The message in these books is the total opposite of a fascist viewpoint.
In this thread it's not about Fascism.
It's more about that we are told everyone with a hint of anti-semitic views is, and has always been idiots.

>>13738536
>He doesn't know about Ariel's Toaff book.
A jewish Italian university professor wrote a book about the christian ritualistic murders perpetrated by Jews in the middle ages and confirms as well as demonstrate that even though some of them might have been faked and or false, some have been real.

« Reactions to the book concentrated on the final chapter, which addressed the story of Simon of Trent, a young boy murdered by Jews in order to extract his blood to be used in making bread for Passover rituals. Roman Catholics commemorated Simon's martyrdom for five centuries, until, in 1965, the Vatican [(II)] published Nostra aetate, which aimed at extirpating antisemitism from the Catholic faithful. The Bishop of Trent signed a decree proclaiming that the accusation against the city's Jews of that city was unfounded, although Saint Simon of Trent is still recognized as a saint. »

« A week after its publication, Ariel Toaff withdrew the book from circulation,[10] in order to "re-edit the passages which comprised the basis of the distortions and falsehoods that have been published in the media"[13][14] The book was republished the following year. Toaff added an afterword entitled, "Trials and Historical Methodology. In defence of Pasque di Sangue." »

>>13739800
He'd publish in ultra-nationalistic papers and one of his last public speech, before dying, was a love letter to Russia as a whole.
You don't know what you're talking about. He was concerned about socialism and Jews just like SO MANY intellectuals from that time.
If you study the thoughts of socialites and anarchites even from France for instance, it's always the same. The Jew is always represented as a spy, conspirator, and banskter.

It's only after 1945 that Jews have become, for many reasons, these invincible, intouchable collective tribe possessing too much power of influence.

please stay in /pol/ brainlets or at least read a history book that isn't just propaganda for muh master race. Pretty interesting how every "race realist" happens to be in the superior race. If you actually took race realism seriously, white people would have to serve the objectively more intelligent and successful asian and jewish races. why should low IQ white people have any position of leadership when the facts say otherwise? It ain't jews and asians shooting up schools, selling meth, getting addicted to opioids and not going college.

>>13740008
K but can you respond to the majority of jews being in the 1%

>>13740017
provide some facts from objective sources. Maybe you should stop complaining and start working hard. Its free-market capitalism, why should there be special treatment for white brainlets?

>jew do thing bad

>>13740030
Well finding data on the 1% is tricky, since it starts at like 400k a year, but they’re believed to be 1/3 of the 1% while being 0.5% of the population meaning two thirds of them would be 1 percenters. They are 11.6% of billionaires which still makes them ridiculously more wealthy than any other race. Truly the jews are the worst enemy of the left.

>>13740030
Anyway you prove exactly the point I make, the only people who could possibly approve of the jews are soulless cutthroats.

>>13740008
> "race realist" happens to be in the superior race.
I am Armenian though.

>>13740008
I'm not even White, try again. Jewish supremacism actually concerns all of humanity, you dumb fuck.
From Africa, to the Middle East, to Europe and even Hong Kong right now.

>Yaaaaas! Speak truth to power!
>N-NOT THAT POWER!

>>13738154
Tolstoy was literally excommunicated from the church bc he explicitly denied the divinity of Christ

>>13738407

>>13738154
dos is not even close to reactionary or fascist, i'd say that he is conservative at most but unlike american neoconservatives (what people today consider conservative) he actually has a spine and his ideas are interesting.
tolstoy is just another Christian socialist with an extra sprinkle of intellectualism and asceticism

russia ended with the defeat of the romanovs. everything after is jewish sponsored mass killings.

>>13740375
and thats a good thing

>>13738849
Why do stormfag keep spreading this shitty graph? The first source is a litteral blogpost who doesn't have any source itself, the second one is from a 500+ pages book but it doesn't tell you what part of the book it is from and the third one is from some anglo journo who made up list of commie leader were he added jews.

The fact that this picture still exist is the proof of stormfag being either NPCs who accept everything they're told or venomous snake who only want to infect other with their ideological venom.

>>13740386
and those same strains are the ones using you as ideological pawns

>>13740375
inbred aristocrat or a deranged Georgian?
desu stalin wasn't that bad, other than the five years plans he was just your average Machiavellian politician. he acted against his ideals several times just to secure his place and strength

>>13740117
>https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/
44% of household are above $100k, which would put them in the top quarter. But it shows its impossible for the majority to be in the 1%. I would also imagine there is a massive falloff as you get higher income

>>13740398
The funniest part is source 4 was written by an actual member of the SS

>>13740443
exactly, he had the choice to keep the standard after the romanovs but backpedalled in favor of the jew side. he couldve done a trio with germany and japan.

>>13738127
What's the best book to get started on Dosto?
I have:
>The idiot
>The eternal husband
>The demons
>The brothers karamazov

>>13740481
crime and punishment

>>13740462
Hu, I never looked up the other source since at least 60% of the graph is bullshit.

>>13740472
Since germany main goal was grabbing lands in the east, he would have been backstabbed anyway.

>>13740570
Read Culture of Critique.
Watch Herve Ryssen's "Jews and the bolshevik revolution" documentary.
Read Solzhenitsyn, and just shut the fuck up.

You think we're arriving at this "anti-semitic" conclusion with a stat and a graph? No, we've been reading, and studying these matters for years. It takes time to actually be educated on jews and judaism.

>>13740620
>Read Culture of Critique.
Why? I've read severals critics of the book, including one written by one anon here, demolishing the book for poor scholarship and given the pretty piss poor record of antisemits honesty, I'll rather not waste my time with yet another shit book.

>Herve Ryssen
>a fucking denier
No thanks

>Read Solzhenitsyn
I think you should read it first desu

>You think we're arriving at this "anti-semitic" conclusion with a stat and a graph?
Well, if you have so many evidences, then why make graph full of lies like >>13738849

>No, we've been reading, and studying these matters for years.
And? Feminists study gender stuff for years too. Are they right?

>>13740788
First of all, there aren't several critics of CoC. The only one written is by a university prof. named Nathan Cofnas and he did a piss poor job of it, where the author himself responded to him destroying his attempt.
There are absolutely tons and tons of references and proofs in the book, and the analysis/thesis is this: Jews (self-identifying as jews) were responsible for pushing psychoanalysis, creating the frankfurt school and communism as well as many revolutionary movements in the 20th century that led to the demise and critique of western civilization, Civil rights' act and the reform of immigration in 1965.
Ryssen is not a denier, imbecile. And again, he cites MANY references. None of these people invent anything.

Feminists are wrong because they believe in an abstract simplistic world-view, oppressed vs oppression, rich vs poor, white against blacks etc. Most anti-judaics actually cite REAL people, involved in REAL affairs and QUOTE them directly, it's called History, you're seriously retarded.

And I didn't even quoted the Talmud, or the Zohar, or even said anything about jewish lobbies or freemasonry.
Ignorant people like you should stay silenced. If you don't know, you let others speak.

>>13740952
>First of all, there aren't several critics of CoC.
I'm pretty one was written fairly recently on /lit/

>where the author himself responded to him destroying his attempt.

I disagree. Hell, McDonald open his rebutal by saying that he believes jews are the one responsible for importing muslims and nigers in europe, which simply go against his theories since both muslims and niggers hate jews far more than the average european.

>pushing psychoanalysis
How is it bad
>creating the frankfurt school
what a meme
>and communism
yes, I'm sure communism popularity was because of the jews, not because of the conditions of the people at the time. Violent popular rebellions against the power that be, filled with retarded peasants and led by intellectual turned tyrant? Never happened before, it's entirely the jews fault.

>Ryssen is not a denier, imbecile.
Oh yeah, sorry, I mixed him up with Fergusson since they're both french.

>And again, he cites MANY references.
So does >>13738849
He also seems to believe in Nation of Islam's "muh joo were responsible for slavery" which distord jewish documents to misled people into believing an impossibility.

>Most anti-judaics actually cite REAL people, involved in REAL affairs and QUOTE them directly,
It's funny you mention that because >>13738849 is often posted with pic related. I'm sure all those REAL peoples are REALLY honest and truthful.

>And I didn't even quoted the Talmud
Last time someone showed me a quote of the talmud about how jews are allowed to kill goyim , it turned out to be a passage about some guy buying wine.

>>13740337
>dos is not even close to reactionary
sure he was, the rest you say is true

>>13738269
>If you were a Christian, you got sentenced and worked to death in Siberia.
Fucking hell imagine actually believing this

>>13738815
>first
yeah then stalin, extreme antisemite, came in

>>13739344

It's simply amazing to me how people can ignore it. It's such a basic premise to study those in power to understand how a society is operating, and low and behold jews are grossly over-represented, especially concerning culture (mass consciousness). I agree it's boring to just blame everything on the jew, and jew this, jew that, but to deny their influence on humanity is just hilariously stupid.

https://thezog.wordpress.com/

>>13742433
There's nothing wrong with seeing the nepotism at work, and identifying the jewish stereotype of being good at exploiting money out of idiots, but then you tards start throwing stupid theories like white genocide, and a normal person instantly marks you as an idiot and stops listening to whatever you have to say next.

Also thinking there is some grand plan of jewish domination makes you look like a bigger idiot who hasn't studied his facts right. You can make that case for zionists, but most jews in position of power are just power-hungry for themselves. Like how can you compare the jews that were leading the communist movement with today's ones pushing degenerative consumerism on society? And if that little paradox is not enough, explain to me why the same capitalist jews are trying to push their garbage into Israel's market?

You see something and fill it with your racist confirmation bias, the mark of the brainlet. Yeah, jews were to blame for the nigger making out with a white girl in a shitty music video, but that was not part of some grand plan of world domination, that's simple marketing at work trying to garner a larger audience by being inclusive to everyone, not just your white ass.

>>13739965
Bro, do you need me to carefully explain to you, like to an idiot, the difference between Dostoevsky's nationalistic views and those of fascists and other radical right movements?

Do you have any idea how many different nationalities live in the territory of Russia? If you think Dostoevsky's speeches were for the pure blooded slavic russian people or if you think he was targeting all jews, and not a specific group of ones, you need to go through a lobotomy, my guy, because it's too fucking late for you.

>>13742506

I never said I thought there was a conscious conspiracy for world-domination. That's you projecting. I just think their influence has been largely negative.

My opinion is that jewish intellectuals/policy makers were over-represented in much of what is wrong with the modern West (they were the ideological sources), but at this point, it's a Frankenstein out of their control. I like history, seeing how culture/thoughts change. If you are interested in that arena, you're bound to get into the JQ.

>>13738142
are you gonna drop every artist for saying negative things about jews? because that would be quite a lot to avoid.

>>13742506
Jews do what they think is best for the Jews. That involves, among other things, subverting their host nation and breaking its traditional structures. It might not be a centralized conspiracy but it definitely is a parasitic relationship. Niggers would probably do the same but they're incapable of anything else than living off welfare money.

>>13742611
Maybe because when you have a population with no culture that's exactly the same as a population on the other side of the planet, you can market to it the exact same product. It's done purely for financial gain.

Even CIA ops of starting revolts in underdeveloped countries is done for financial gain, and not some defense or world domination reasons.

When you focus on the race alone, you misinterpret the motivations and goals of that group, and discredit yourself.

>>13742670
So you agree about Jews jewing, you just disagree about the motivations behind it.

>>13742688
Congrats anon. Here you have a sheep that will do anything to defend minority groups and gets immediately triggered by any white person complaining. Do you ever notice that all the nigger porn on
/gif/ is BMWF? It is because cucks like him along with niggers get off on the fantasy of them taking the hotter women with "bigger" (lol not true) dicks. The guy watches cuck porn.

>>13738142
>I like all of the evidence that he gives for these delusions as well...
based

>>13738142

>>13743511
having this pic saved is basically an admission of being schizophrenic

>>13738127
wtf I love Dosto even more now

>>13738536
Imagine being so brainwashed with zionism from an early age that you react like this when people criticize Jews.
Thank God I don't live in the first world.

>>13740008
>If you actually took race realism seriously, white people would have to serve the objectively more intelligent and successful asian and jewish races
Why do people always make this strawman? It gets really tiresome.

Why are there so many jew-loving commies on /lit/?

>>13741168
>muslims and niggers hate jews far more than the average european.
So? It's a gamble, as long as it doesn't get out of control, for the Jews it's better to live in a multikulti, fragmented society where whites can't organize and have a racial consciousness. Nationalism is dangerous for the Jews.

>How is it bad
>Neurotics pushing drugs on people to assuage them of the mental problems caused from living in a shitty system is good

>yes, I'm sure communism popularity was because of the jews
That's a strawman and has nothing to do with it. Of course people were looking for other systems, but that anon is simply saying that most key figures in communist revolutions were always Jews.

>>13743526
>Noticing repeated patterns is a sign of shizophrenia, despite the abundance of it.

Ah yes, it must be a coincidence....

>>13743986
>that anon is simply saying that most key figures in communist revolutions were always Jews.
Also, it makes even more sense when taking your observation into account. Jews were oppressed with pogroms and the like, especially in Eastern Europe, so it makes sense that they would overwhelmingly pour into revolutionary movements like zionism and communism. But of course, never fascism or anything that would emphasize European nationalism.

The weird thing is that it's generally criticized to even point this out, when it's not only fact but it doesn't bear any hostility to Judaism in itself. If it is called antisemitic, it's simply because it lays the foundation to start noticing other, more pernicious things about Jews.

>>13738335
brothers k > idiot > c&p > demons > notes

>>13740008
>the objectively more intelligent and successful asian and jewish races
>Asians
why do people fall for this meme all the time? Aside from Japan Asia is notorious for its inability to innovate like the West.

>>13742688
I'm saying that the jews in power got there through nepotism, but they aren't the only power-hungry sociopaths in charge. Also the jews that run things are only but a small percentage of all jews.

I'm saying that if you want to criticize the so called "jewish cabal" in charge, you should form a better statement or an argument, by cutting all the stupid shit. Or else you end sounding like this brainlet >>13743074
Do you think anyone outside of your /pol/ echo chamber will read that post and not weep at the stupidity?

>>13740788
>reading a critique of a book without reading the book itself
Jesus Christ you people are absurd sometimes.

>>13738142
Honestly some peoples eyes must be fucking painted on.
>>13738173
Got to love it or its a tragedy. The fact that people cant see or refuse to believe the scam of Yahweyism is the greatest evidence that most of us are not much better than cattle.
>>13738335
Probably pleb tier but BK,CP,NU,D,I

Fuck this thread. Just because Dosto was a chist cuck doesnt mean he was wrong about the kikes ffs. Their Shibboleth of progress [see gensis 1 28] and their free willism has fucked over nearly every culture on earth.

Plebs gonna pleb though. You don't necessarily need to be angry about it either. Just exit their frame of thinking and live your own life as best as you can outside their hamster wheel.

>>13738154
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0O1nXJvtj8V

>>13743942
They came here from Reddit and have never left. Some retard shared our Top 100 image over there a few years ago.

>>13743511
Based pic.

>>13744873
>Also the jews that run things are only but a small percentage of all jews.
It's kinda like islamic terrorism. Most Muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims, and the opinion and general ideology of the former is generally favorable to the latter. The same with Jews and positions of power, and being a negative influence on the host population.

>>13739800
>implying there is bias

>>13738445

ladies and gentlemen, low IQ right here!

>>13740008
I'm asian, not a race realist, and I fucking hate the jewish elite. What now retard?

>>13738822
That billionaire dictator was a communist party insider like the other russian oligarchs.

>>13741168
Fake quote. It's actually from David Duke.