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Althought we can all agree standard manga is too trash to be talked about there, did you ever find a manga so complex, with important tematics and well thought prose that should we include in the same rank with the greatest works of literature history?

Pic completely related

>> No.13733216
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Here's further proofs about what i'm talking about

>> No.13733232

>>13733199
Yes there are good well written manga.
No pic related is not one of them.

>> No.13733251

>>13733232
>t. Dr. Stone plebian

>> No.13733261

>>13733216
Cringe.
Read a book, and stop wasting time with Japanese garbage.

>> No.13733270

>>13733232
The thing is, I can't tell anymore when HxH posters are actually being unironic or when they're shitposting. Surly a decent number of them have to be unperceptive enough that they genuinely see it as some towering 'transcendence of the shounen genre' or whatever because it spends whole chapters treating inane details in ways that look systematic.

>> No.13733305

>>13733270
The Chimera ants arc reminds me the core works of Greeks epic poems, like the Illiad

>> No.13733318

I’m currently on volume 8 of ngnl light novel, manga is garbage picture books for idiots. Ngnl is really obvious pandering but I still like it

>> No.13733357

>>13733199
I know you're baiting but I really enjoyed the chimera arc, that slow motion bit with heavy narration in the palace invasion was pretty neat, I've never seen it done before

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>>13733216
>Hiatus X Hiatus fag
>thinks he's better than anyone

>> No.13733395

>>13733199
HunterxHunter is good as an/a anime/manga.
HunterxHunter is not good as literature because drawing pictures is not literature. And the prose is extremely bad, together with the overall flow of the story being like filler trash that feels like it was pulled from my ass.

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O MY RUBBER NEN clearly hearkened back to ancient Greek theatre where a God would be lowered from above the stage on a pulley to resolve the conflict of the play. This was called the Deus Ex Machina (God from the Machine), and, as we can see, is a proud part of the literary tradition which is carried on by HxH. People who mock it as an asspull are only displaying their own ignorance.

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>>13733199
Berserk is the only /lit/ approved manga. Fuck off Shonenfag.

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>>13733534
Reminder Griffith was right

>> No.13733565

>>13733534
Nice to see casca back in the latest chapter. It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here. It will probably take 5 more years for the story to progress enough to tell.

>> No.13733567

I know OP is trolling and definitely not the whole manga is deserving, but the second part of the chimera ant arc definitely deserves good recognition. Arguably also the auction arc. At least in the anime, I have not read the manga so I can't talk for the parts of the story after the anime or if the manga is better/worse in some parts.

>> No.13733586

>>13733549
>Strongly parallels the Antichrist
>Merges the astral and physical planes, making 99% of Earth pure hell to live in
>Possibly planning to sacrifice everyone in Falconia
>Has condemned anyone that merely interacts with him to the Void of Souls
>Caused all the problems that lead up to the Kushan invasion
>Betrays his loyal soldiers and violently rapes his best friend's lover, who viewed him with deep admiration
>"He dindu nuffin"
Literally what has he done that has been good?

>> No.13733595

Read Vagabond.

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>>13733565
>It will probably take 5 more years for the story to progress enough to tell.
Don't remind me Anon.

>> No.13733658

>>13733199
>>13733216
I read hundreds of manga unlike you who literally just watch popular contrarian garbage.

If a manga would be /lit/ I'd say:
We shall now begin Ethics
Yugami-kun ni wa Tomodachi ga Inai
Girl's last tour
Blue Period.
Hibiki - Shousetsuka ni Naru Houhou
Parasyte

>> No.13735179

>>13733658
> We shall now begin Ethics
just read this. it was awesome. Thanks m8

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>> No.13736785

>>13733534
>>13733549
>>13733376
>>13733658
Berserk is edgy porn garbage it only peaked during the Eclipse hellsing is better than the heaping shit miru feeds you

>> No.13736800

The NGE manga

>> No.13736828

>>13736719
Perfect example of the bloated nature of manga ruining a decent idea

>> No.13736856

>>13733305
Literally every and all Shounen manga is the Iliad.

>> No.13736861

>>13736828
How so?

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>>13733199
HxH is unironically the most lit manga/anime in existence. Comprehensive, aesthetic, thematic, and engaging; there really is no candle to be held. There is no singular group on /a/ other than hunterchads that feel so at home on high IQ boards like /lit/ and /sci/. Their posts are thoughtful and well-written, their analysis of the series spectacular. HxH is the singular god of artistic media comprising of both masterful art and literature. Hail to the king.

>> No.13737019

HxH is just like every other teledrama. Character speculation is like team sports, but nothing special is rlly happening unless it was about your favorite doing something cool. If there was anything meaningful it has to offer, it's probably just small tidbits of Nietzschean philosophy and the bad things that come with it but thats really nothing special. So far it's still shounen shit about whats fighting what, but it quite never goes beyond that. It's not a deconstruction of shonen like these drones say.

Go read/watch Kaiji instead

>> No.13737028

>>13737019
What do you think of One Punch Man?

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>>13733199
My opinion: the greatest comic story ever made (a complete single tale by one creative team) is Lone Wolf and Cub (子連れ狼 Kozure Ōkami, 1970-76), a manga set in 17th-century Japan, by writer Kazuo Koike and artist Goseki Kojima. Over 8,700 pages it tells one epic story of implacable vengeance, while weaving philosophy, politics, and a great deal of feudal Japanese history with bloody violence and perversions. Ultimately it shows the painful passing of the age of the samurai, with Ogami Ittō, the shogun's executioner and perhaps the most dangerous man of his age, exemplifying the lost martial life-path of bushido. During the Tokugawa shogunate, samurai increasingly became courtiers, bureaucrats, and administrators rather than warriors. Ittō's mastery of Suiō-ryū Iai Kenpō and even his choice of weapon--a dōtanuki katana, thick, heavy, plain and sharp--mark him as a relic of a passing era. As a rōnin and assassin for hire (despite having a toddler in his care) Ittō manages to shake the very foundations of the power that betrayed him--the increasingly stratified and labyrinthine social structures of the Tokugawa shogunate--and devastates the Yagyū clan that murdered his family and disgraced him. It's bloody, Gothic, melodramatic stuff, but it's also superb, immensely rich, and in some ways even profound.

>> No.13737161

it will only be lit approved if leorio gets an arc and marries kurapika

>> No.13737173

>>13733199
Oyasumin Punpun
Vagabond
Berserk
Vinland Saga
Uzumaki
Hotel

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Based Shingeki No Kyojin.

>> No.13737227

>>13737125
A more adult Rurouni Kenshi. Nice. I'll check it.

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The only acceptable manga are
>Welcome To The NHK (The novel is better though)
>Anything by Junji Ito but that's mostly due to his art not the actual writing
That's about it. Anything else is on the same level, if not lower than cartoons for children. We all have our dirty pleasures but if you read manga regularly and seriously and aren't a japanese elementary schooler, you have a problem.

>> No.13737847

>>13733199
>>13733305
>>13733454
>>13736895
Awesome posts.

Hunterchads always upgrating every board with their presence.

>> No.13737853

>>13737768
I thought people only liked NHK because it was relatable to autistic neets, it's definitely not good.

>> No.13737870

>>13733199
Berserk is pretty good, got some nice philosophy in it to.

>> No.13737895

>>13737028
Shit

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>>13733199
Daisuke Igarashi's Children of the Sea and Tezuka's Phoenix are my favorite manga.

>> No.13738058

>>13733199
>>13733658
There's some mangas that i consider interesting to read:
Aku No Hana
Pun Pun
Emanon
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou
I'm sure there's more to read it: i'll take a look your recommends

>> No.13738069

>>13737173
>Uzumaki
This
Has anyone read 20th century boys? I didn't, but i'm just curious about that. It's good to read?

>> No.13738148

>>13733595
No, read Eiji Yoshikawas Musashi, the book which vagabond is based on.

>> No.13738298

>>13733261
Manga is often simplified versions of novels they were based on, and they are often as good as most western young adult novels.

>>13733199
I don't think it equates to some of the greatest works of literature, but the wordplay in the Konosuba novel is top notch at some times.

>> No.13738302

ARIA is pretty great

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Here's your /lit/ anime and manga bro

>> No.13738512

>>13738304
Most of the manga section is trash

>> No.13738894

>>13738069
Don't bother with 20th CB. If you ARE gonna bother with it, drop it on its first third or the second third at the latest.

>> No.13738905

>>13737768
NHK is shit. Not qualified for /lit/.
Junji Ito is good, though.

>> No.13739103

>>13738894
What about his other works?

>> No.13739117

>>13739103
I've read Monster, Pluto and Billy Bat which were all good reads.
20CB is okay but a bit too long and drawn out at points, I'd say its worth reading if you like his other works a lot.

>> No.13739138

Shintaro Kago.

>> No.13739144

Dragonball >Dragonball Z Sayian- Frieza Saga> Android/Cell saga >>>>> Buu Saga >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other shounen shit.

>> No.13739195

>>13739103
All his works are worth the read. I think the nature of manga serialization hinders the quality and pacing of his works quite a bit. Pluto, being the shortest, is his only good paced manga. Billy Bat is good alt-history-fantasy. 20th CB is starts out 10/10 but dips in quality hard while Monster is consistently 8/10.
>>13738058
I've been recommended Aku no hana four years ago but didn't bother with it then. Just gave it a read because of your comment and I gottay say it's quite good. I'm only on vol.3 and I would take it if it ended shortly after the mountain scene. Dunno what the author will do for another 8 volumes but I'm sure I won't be disappointed.

>> No.13739279

>>13738512
Look, you know how manga fans just love to act like manga is full of mountains of hidden gems far beyond what anime has, that that the latter is looked down on as something 'for children' in comparison, ignoring that the biggest reason why manga is so much more popular in its native country is because people read it on the train when they don't have anything better to do.

>> No.13739438

What do you think about european comics ? I think it's called franco-belgian comics

>> No.13739461

>>13739138
this
>>13739195
Aku no hana It's quite good: not the best, but it's a good read. And please: don't watch the anime. I advise you

>> No.13739545

I really enjoyed Onani-Master Kurosawa. It was literally one of the few stories that I thought was touching and made me smile when I'd finished the whole thing.

I also liked Humunculous. Itichi the Killer by the same guy was great too, but it's mostly glorified torture porn and musings about S/M.

20th Century Boys was pretty damn good, but it went downhill in the later arcs.

I also enjoyed some of the Samurai manga, especially Vagabond and well Blade of the Immortal, but while it has a few interesting points it's mostly badass / crazy characters doing badass and crazy things. I love it for what it is though.

Vinland Saga is also interesting. It starts of pretty generic, but the Prologue or first part is one of the best things I've read. While the farm arc is rather boring, it also gives great insight into the character.

Lone Wolf and Cub, as mentioned by >>13737125 is also fucking great.

I'd also say give Akira a try, it's also pretty interesting.

In terms of art, I'd say read Berserk, Blame! and anything by Junji Ito. Berserk is also great in terms of story and themes though. If you're into manga it's pretty much a must read.

I've read a lot more. There are quite a few manga I'd say are good, when compared to the rest of the genre, but not many can call themselves real literature if any at all. Especially shonen is mostly trite shit.

>> No.13739579

It's still not literature. Why not try to get rid of the retards in /a/ or /co/ and take those boards?

>> No.13739936

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