/lit/ - Literature

There is nothing civil about civilization.

Why is Whitehead there

>>13721575
Guy in the middle on the top looks a lot like stefan molyneux

*destroys butterflys sexuality with my dick*

I can't wait for her to completely swallow my dick and tongue my balls all day. I just feel like she would do it. :3

A bunch of retards that nobody reads destroyed Western civilization?

Or was it the resulting hedonism of capitalist abundance?

>>13721594
He is named Sartre

>>13721596
She is grinning at my post. The sheer absurdity of it most likely :3

But who knows she might have something in mind

>>13721602
kek

>>13721596
>>13721614
wat did he mean by this :?

>>13721575
Baudrillard was actually based and known for his transphobic views.

>>13721602
Very funny, good comedy.

>>13721575
Who the hell are these old faggots? I swear all white people look the same. I recognize foucault, marx, derrida but that's it.

>>13721709
ok also identified baudrillard, adorno, benjamin.
spoonfeed me the last three, homos.

>>13721723
wait, whitehead? the fuck is he doing with the rest of these?
still need two more.

>>13721728
Stop talking to yourself

>>13721723
top: deleuze, whitehead, foucault
middle: santa claus, adorno, benjamin
bottom: derrida, baudrillard, debord

>>13721738
ok i'm a faggot for not knowing what deleuze looked like. never would have gotten debord though. why isn't guattari on there?

>>13721736
make me.

>>13721750
>why isn't guattari on there?
it's cheating to put them both in a 3x3. also because he may in fact have been Joaquin Phoenix all along

I fail to see how these thinkers “destroyed” Western civilization. On the contrary, they seem to be very much embodiments of that civilization.

>>13721601
>A bunch of retards that nobody reads destroyed Western civilization?
>Or was it the resulting hedonism of capitalist abundance?
I blame liberalism (not in the American sense)

Society Must Be Defended

>>13721575
Reminder that marxism is still a deeply eurocentric ideology.

marxism is just an escape hatch for white guys who are a little too smart to be open all out nazis but really want to avoid a serious moral confrontation with their whiteness.

>>13721804
at first I misread that as "Defunded", which I think I like better.

>>13721813
>but really want to avoid a serious moral confrontation with their whiteness.
whoa, explosive take there. what ideology do you prescribe to remedy this?
there are plenty of Black marxists by the way.

>>13722171
it's not about ideology, it's about empathy, moral courage and radical honesty. The attempt to reduce racism to economics is not only wrong but also deeply offensive.

>>13722171
Society Must Be Defended is also a great book that compiles a series of Foucault lectures.

>analyzing societies self-destruction == destroying it
okay peepeeson

>>13722203
this. brainlets don’t understand that critical philosophy is quintessentially western. it’s not the end-all be-all, you also need a constructive philosophy, but it also serves an important role

>>13722240
also philosophy is sterile and can't destroy shit

>>13722282
you sure bout that?

they're more symptoms than causes desu

>>13722171
i'd say existentialism, obsession with capitalism as an abstraction can be and often is a means of running of one's ontological whiteness, which is always already implicated in the oppression of black and brown bodies. Can mere economic change heal what are really metaphysical and ontological wounds? Black and Brown people(and queer people) are less likely to advocate for this sort of naive utopian universalism, specially when universalism and humanism have been so often used to dehumanise them. Marxism is colonialist in it's universalist and developmental model, why should white marxist academics know more than indigenous people?

>>13722438
existentialism is just angry white guy navel gazing, we /afropessimism/ now.

>>13722462
Is afropessism relevant to people that aren't African? Is it like a geographical thing, like Continental philosophy?

Recc. me afro pessimists.

>>13722462
well why don’t you afrokillyourself then

Is "whiteness" just a meme word for imperialism?

>>13722494
Yes.

They were all more intelligent and interesting than you

>>13722438
the call to seize the means of production still opperates fully within the framework of production, which is the framework of capitalism and european settler colonialism. It is far more radical to advocate for the full restitution of all stolen land to native sovereignty.

>>13722523
It is more radical still to return all stolen land to nature and exterminate humanity as a whole.

>>13722494
It means alleles supporting individualism.

>>13722535
A position so radical it is entirely politically impotent is, in fact, not so radical at all anon.

>>13722494
imperialism and capitalism are mere symptoms of whiteness, it's not the other way around

>>13721583
What a great man, shame he lost.

>>13722610
i think this is ultimately the problem with marxists, they want to reduce everything to capitalism, as if that absolves them of their complicity

>>13722438
>>13721813
this is so fucked i cant even be pissed about it

>>13722660
it's whiteness that is fucked and you'd better be pissed off at whiteness.

>>13722732
define whiteness

>>13722786
the ontological condition of being benefited, -economically, psychologically, or existentially- from the structures of white supremacy, among them capitalism, patriarchy and imperialism. Your anticapitalism is meaningless if it is not coupled with a thorough comittment to decolonisation

>>13722829
antiwhiteness is an astroturfed dysgenics program.

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>>13722462
Spotted the black incels. Enjoy your ghettos.

Also have sex (without getting herpes).

>>13722171
there is definitely a problem with ''leftists'' who complain about ''political correctness'' and generally ape cultural right wing ideas which points to a flaw in all purely materialist thought. If anything we need more ''political correctness'' not less. It is not the revolution's work to comfort the privileged, the revolution is transgressive and breaks down the patterns of normalcy. As the maoists say, we need to bombard the reactionary headquarters by adopting always the most confrontational position not only in economics but in social and cultural matters. Anything else is capitulation in the face of atrocity.

>>13721575
dont you mean eastern?

>>13721575
cry more pussy

>>13721813
Whiny condescension reinforces self-interest

>>13722732
I'd rather promote oligarchy out of spite

>>13722890
funny because the original PC brigade found inspiration in Mao's little book too. He wrote "not to have a correct political point of view is like having no soul"

>>13722919
if being asked to comply to a minimum fucking standard of human decency is enough to make you into a nazi, then you were probably a shitty person to begin with and we shouldn't risk having you around anyways.

>>13721575
modernists destroyed the western civilization
postmodernists did a good riddance with them so they are semi based

>>13722990
>PC is just the minimum fucking standard of human decency
then explain its creepy cult-like mind control aspects

>>13723010
you are simply not used to feeling uncomfortable. the discomfort you feel at ''pc culture'' is not even one millionth of what marginalised people go through every instant of their conscious existence.

>>13723010
why is being nice to other people creepy? to queer folks disabled folks or people of color ''political correctness'' means there is finally an expectation that they have to be considered as actual human beings.

>>13722645
>they want to reduce everything to capitalism,
to the mode of production and reproduction of material reality you absolute doof, pointing out that its capitalism right now isn't reductive.

>>13723034
Can't tell if troll but your insane hyperbole speaks to your lack of genuine empathy. PC is a kingdom of lies as evidenced by its chief exponents presenting as high empaths when they're usually quite reptillian opportunists with a childish at best understanding of other people.

>>13723075
Its not his fault you cant tell the difference between not being a dick and liberal propaganda to sell you rainbow hats.

>>13723081
and besides, it is our duty as communists to defend progressive bourgeoisie culture against fascism and to support all movements of liberation taking a bold stand against all oppressive and established hierarchies. Instead of cynically complaining about ''woke capitalism''and playing along with reactionary propaganda we should be the ones exposing capitalism as not woke enough we should be the ones taking every chance to demand more justice in every aspect of our lives, from work, to school, to personal relationships. the personal is political and the political is personal.

>>13723063
Microaggressions is one example. Constantly monitoring others for the tiniest perceived slight is a way of breaking them down psychologically. You're either an all in cultist or a troll so my breath is wasted on this crash course on why it's a cult.

>>13723108
you got it exactly backwards displaying an astonishing sense of entitlement and a total lack of self awareness, microaggressions are very real and have an empirically demonstrable impact on marginalised people, who believe me, are used to being 'constantly monitored', and who have withstood more than you without even coming close to breaking down psychologically.

>>13723115
>empirically demonstrable
Source?
Your depiction of pre-PC society as this totalitarian dungeon is ahistorical bullshit. And I find your rhetoric around entitlement is simple projection in many cases.

What’d Baudrillard ever do?

Stefan Molyneux is a postmodern neomarxist?

>>13723115
What’s your race, sex, and socioeconomic background?

>>13721596
how dare you derail this GREAT thread anon?
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please be more graphic

>>13721575
based

>>13723282
As a white guy, I believe society isn't nearly hard enough on us white guys as it should be. And I grew up in a struggling household with a working single mother, I got ahead in great part due to my privilege and that is why I feel a commitment a pledge and a responsibility to use that privilege for good.

>>13723416
Lmao, got baited, I’m a goober.

>>13721796
i blame our selvs

Those people *are* western civilization. What will destroy western civilization will be the upcoming Joint-dictatorship of the proletariat of oppressed nations.

>>13722890
so thats why all the edgy 14 year olds are maost and Marxists, they basically say just be an asshole and try to be different to subvert progression.

>>13721589
you mean Stefan Molyneux?

>>13722438
I see what you're saying but I struggle to accept that literally any good will come from whites embracing existentialism of all things
see>>13722462 which I really fuck with, personally.

>>13722535
>see, the problem with genocide was that they didn't kill everybody
yikes, anon. maybe lead by example and swallow a cabinet full of pills to start us off.

>>13722850
>>13722862
it really wouldnt be 'dysgenics' if people like yourselves got killed off, now would it

>>13723063
shaun is so based.

>>13723075
what a dangerously immature pile of garbage.

>>13723133
you're palpably uncomfortable at getting called out because you know that other anon was right in doing so.
entitled as fuck and you can't even realize.

>>13721575
And that's a good thing

>>13723660
>>13723674
>>13723681
You busybody cunts simply must come and ruin the last sanctuary away from you. You'll never stop will you?

>>13723072
the ''white working class'' does not exist under global white supremacy.

>>13721709
It's funny becuase neither are these people white, nor they wanted to harm any civilization

>>13722919
to be moral is to go against your self interest.Thsi is why pure economism will always fail as an analysis and willl always enable white supremacy. Real change requires a moral reckoning and a never ending process of personal growth.

>>13722990
This is a bit, right

>>13724371
I dont understand leftiststs, its easier to regard them as outright enemies with which no dialogue is really possible, they have nothing to offer me except taking away my freedom and its not like they can reward or punish me in the afterlife.

>>13723717
>You'll never stop will you?
They explicitly say itt that they won't.
They'll continue until the last nice thing is torn down and the queer brown-ish communism has become utterly hegemonic over the entire globe.

>>13721583
>This Christmas carol is too brutal for me to handle!
>That painting is fucking metal!
>These gardens are the gateways to hell
Only a sith deals in absolutes.

>>13723081
What if there is no difference?

>>13722919
This is not about self interest, under a just world order you'd be objectively worse off but it is still the moral thing to support

>>13721575
>be "Western civilization"
>gets destroyed by some nerds with pen and paper

Lmao

>>13723393
>Why yes I do drugs and kill turning police with k-tactics, how did you know?

>>13724578
>justice is when your self-interest is morally bad and mine is morally good
lol ok see you in the corporate cyberpunk dystopia if we're really gonna poison the well on collectivism like this. Protip, I'll still be a Nazi there

>>13724641
Stop being a pants-on-head mentally challenged retard.

>>13724689
>corporate cyberpunk dystopia
Stop reading comics for 12 year olds.

>>13722890
>Shaun and Jen
An intellectual titan

>>13724698
Look out your window

>>13721601
This.
Cuckservatives are specialists at inverting cause and effects.
For them, the world is only ideology, never materialistic conditions.
No wonder they can't see clearly at all.

>>13722645
Their complicity of what exactly?

>>13721583
T A H I T I ARTHUR!

>>13721575
>not a picture of capitalism
>*destroys the Western civilization*
cringe and bluepilled

God bless them all.