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Last thread was pruned and I was banned, thankfully I appealed and it was lifted

Itt I will post screenshots excerpts from texts by the major Islamist theorists and talk a bit about them. Keep in mind that Islamism to Muslims does not simply mean Sharia (that's Islam, period), but support for Muslims having a united polity. This is strongly opposed by some states with Sharia, such as Saudi Arabia.

This is a discord for Islam and Islanism if you have questions I can answer them here, or there

https://discord.gg/K8F8teB

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>>13715382
From the same work

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>>13715419
From his economic program

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Here is Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the foremost Islamist today (an Islamist among Muslims means supporting a unified Muslim polity--just supporting Sharia is part of Islam). He is wanted in Saudi Arabia for promoting terrorism against Israel

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>>13715439
From The Limits of Fiqh

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Here is Abul A'la Maududi, a seminal thinker who sought to incorporate Leninist thought in Islamism. His funeral was one of only two in history observed in the Kaaba, though now Saudi Arabia regards him as a terrorist

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Here is Sayyid Qutb, a revolutionary who believed the West was materialist and soulless but that Islamic countries had spiritual potency but lacked technical finesse and materialist affinity. He believed the unity of both would achieve an ideal of spiritual vigor combined with material competence. He was put to death for plotting to assassinate Nasser

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>>13715460
More Qutb

>> No.13715550

>>13715382
>>13715419
this sounds rather similar to christianity

>> No.13715558

I work with a guy who is obsessed with Qutb. He basically refuses to read anything but the Quran and Qutb’s commentary on it

>> No.13715613

>>13715550
Saladin exemplified chivalry to Medieval Christians and Ibn Hazm developed courtly love in The Ring of the Dove, so

>>13715558
That might be going a bit too far, although I do like Qutb

>> No.13715652

>>13715372
Easy refutation to Islam:
Islam holds the Christian gospels to be authoritative and the Quran appeals to the Christians to judge by the Gospel and their scriptures which it asserts were sent down by Allah. We know exactly what the Christian scriptures looked like in the 7th century, and they are virtually the same as what you will find in your bible today. Therefore we are left with two options: (1) the Christian scriptures are true, as the Quran claims, in which case Islam is false because it contradicts them or (2) the Christian scriptures are untrue, in which case Islam is false because it endorses them.
In all cases, Islam is false.

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>>13715652
The Truth is in Power not the hairsplitting logic of lesser men

>> No.13715674

>>13715652
Islam holds the Gospel as inspired, not the GospelS. In Islamic doctrine, the Gospel is the Q Gospel or its forunner. It is not a narrative but a collection of sayings from God, Glorified and Exalted, that were brought by Jesus, peace be upon him. It may never have been written down exactly, although the Gospel of Thomas gives you an idea

>> No.13715696

>>13715674
No it isn't. Muhhamad is told to implore the Christians to judge by the Gospel and their scriptures to see what Allah has revealed therein. I hope I don't need to tell you that the Christians muhhamad would have been talking to in 7th century Arabia were not in posssession of the Q manuscript, which is a theoretical document.

>> No.13715705

>>13715696
I hope I don't have to tell you that the four Catholic Gospels are Greek works, clearly written by non prophets, and that he never refers to Christians, but Nazarenes.

>> No.13715718

>>13715705
I wish I was assed enough to go and find you the quotes. Allah tells him to go out and explicitly address Christians. The Christians of his time, unless he was told to speak to dead men, were reading the same Bible, with a few trivial differences, as the one we have today.

>> No.13715731

>>13715718
Christians is used in English translation but the Arabic says Nazarenes.

>> No.13715769

>>13715731
I can't read Arabic, so I don't know, but I'd take the words of the countless Arabic scholars and dedicated Muslims who translated the Quran and all said the same thing over the words of some layman on 4chan. Its the only interpretation that makes sense anyway as, again, muhhamad was told to go and speak to these Christians and tell them these things, and no implication is made that these were dead or ancient people; indeed the language seems to imply that these "Christians" were alive. Besides, the Quran tells the "people of the book", which means Jews and Christians, to judge by their scriptures in another verse, so you can't make this same bullshit argument here.

>> No.13715803

>>13715769
The Nazarenes were alive at the time especially outside the Roman Empire. Nazarene is translated the same as Christian because in Islamic jurisprudence they are considered the same for all intents and purposes, but you will notice the polemics against Catholicism like Trinitarianism, deification of Mary (may Allah be pleased with her), and worship of the cross, never mention Nazarenes [Christians].

>> No.13715827

>>13715803
Okay, but we know what scriptures that these Christians the Quran refers to were reading, and they contradict Islam; not on any dogmatic basis like the three examples you listed, but on the execution of Jesus. So go back to my original argument; islam is false in all cases.

>> No.13715833

>>13715827
We actually DON'T know their Gospel, it could well have been a sayings Gospel regardless of their traditions about the crucifixion

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>>13715372
>Look Allah I shilled my discord again!
>Wah wah I was banned for advertising

>> No.13715941

>>13715914
I was banned because the janitor is a dog

>> No.13715949

>>13715941
By Allah, if these janitors persist in this behavior I will be forced to use my shoe

>> No.13715962

>>13715382
>>13715419
So how does this translate to throwing fags off rooftops and stoning women in the street?

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>>13715652
Nope. Islam unequivocally teaches the opposite (Qur'an 2:75, 79, 159, 174, 3:78, 187, 4:46, 5:13-15, 6:91, 7:162, not to mention the several hadith to this effect, e.g. al-Bukhari, 65.4485, 96.90, etc.). Countless academics have attested to the Qur'ans accusation of distortion (tahrif). Your Christian interpretation holds no basis. Q. 5:43-47 is referring to the hypocrisy of the Jews and Christians, who have come to the Prophet for judgments in spite of possessing their own scriptures, and how they do not even judge by their own scriptures. Q. 5:42 gives the Prophet the choice to either judge among them or to leave them to themselves, and the text continues in Q. 5:43, rhetorically asking, "[H]ow is it that they come to you for judgment while they have the Torah, in which is the judgement of Allah? Then they turn away, [even] after that; but those are not believers." Why would it say that if they apparently had the true scripture and believed in it? Furthermore, Q. 5:44 explicitly warns, "do not exchange My verses for a small price" and reiterates what is said in Q. 5:43, "whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed—then it is those who are the disbelievers," and it explicitly noted the Jews as being "not believers" in Q. 5:43. Continuing on, Q. 5:45 sheds some light on the context for this entire passage: "And We ordained for them a life for a life [...] And whoever does not judge," etc., etc. This is obviously referring to some dispute between the Jews which was relevant to this law, and we know from the hadith that the Prophet had on another occasion reproved the Jews for not implementing the punishment of stoning an adulterer (al-Bukhari 86.48), that is, not judging by what God had revealed. Q. 5:43-47 should thus be read in light of these considerations. Anything else is just eisegesis. My advice, christcuck, stop listening to James White and learn to read.

>> No.13715994

>>13715989
why isn't she wearing a hijab. remove this haram from this thread immediately, akhi

>> No.13716003

>>13715994
didn't feel like photoshopping a hijab on

>> No.13716101

>>13715962
Those are sentences in the Islamic penal code (Hadd), not rules of war. Death fall is punishment for sodomy, stoning is a punishment for adultery (for either sex). Both require convictions in a court of law. Al-Banna strongly supported Sharia including flogging for fornication. I don't know how you inferred liberalism from the rules of jihad

>> No.13716105

>>13716003
for every stroke in ms paint that brings you closer to putting a hijab on her, you will be rewarded with a houri in paradise

>> No.13716173

>>13716167
Fuck off with your random shit Pablo

>> No.13716518

>>13716173
Reminder to always report low quality posting

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Opening picture because the seething jannie deleted it.

>> No.13717698

>>13717695
>>13715419
>>13715428
This is Hassan al-Banna btw, the first thinker to develop a distinct discourse of Islami, making his relationship to it analogous to Marx's relationship to revolutionary socialism. He was killed by the Egyptian government

>> No.13717705

>prevales
Why? Why make an elaborate picture and not even spellcheck it? It takes a few seconds at most

>> No.13717966

>>13715613
>saladin exemplified chivalry
Yeah sure buddy

Islamist lit is literal garbage. The only thing we should be thankful to the muslims is that some of them kept the classical greek lit while Europe fell into the dark ages

>> No.13717969

>>13715652
Based

>> No.13717976

>>13715989
Implying that eastern orthodox dont BTFO everyone. The rest of christian sects are heretics. Especially protestants.

>> No.13717982

>>13715666
>t. brainlet

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Islam on slavery.
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