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The Qur'an reconciles the tension between the extreme brutality of the Old Testament, and the unrealistic wub-ewewybody meekness of the new Testament. The harshness of Moses (peace be upon him) for example is much less, his accidental killing of the Egyptian is something he deeply regrets and repentance for, and the plagues inflicted on Egypt do not include the slaughtering of the firstborn. As for the Deluge, in Islamic doctrine humanity was only one tribal settlement (the Qur'an doesn't suggest the flood covered the whole planet, just that it wiped out that settlement). The Gospel, originally a collection of sayings, does preach forgiveness of your enemies in Islam, but justice is still held to be an eye for an eye; forgiving expiates your sins, however. But forgiveness does not mean pacifism, and the Qur'an outright forbids you to love your enemies in certain cases (see Surat 60).

>> No.13647519

>>13647511
so it's basically a shitty reboot. like that ghostbusters film
allah doesn't exist and muslims are pedo rapists

>> No.13647520

>>13647511

> “It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.”

How do Muslims deal with the fact that their prophet is undeniably a pedophile?

>> No.13647526

>>13647520
by becoming pedophiles themselves

>> No.13647549

>>13647520
I don't know why you say that, he only had one child bride. Incidentally she was the only virgin he married (all of his other wives were widows or divorced) and he married her because of a dream.

Technically the Arabic says he was betrothed to her at six. If he consummated the marriage quickly it is because not doing so is a violation of the wife's rights. So a pathological predilection for children is clearly not there

Ibn Taymiyyah never got married but he took hundreds of slaves in war and actually was sued by one of his slaves for not having sex with her, lol. He trained multiple female scholars so he seemed to get on well with women.

>> No.13647554

>>13647549
That is, betrothed at six, married her at 9.

>> No.13647555

>>13647549
>he married her because of a dream.
yeah lots of muslims dream about six year old girls

>> No.13647569

>>13647555
She was the daughter of his best friend and first caliph, and became the most influential woman in Islam.

>> No.13647573

>>13647549

> This mental gymnastics

He was a 50+ year old man, fucking a 9 year old girl.

Would you be happy to see your 9 year old sister or daughter being married and fucked by a 50 year old man? If not, why is it ok for Muhammad to do so?

>> No.13647579

>>13647511
>unrealistic wub-ewewybody meekness...New Testament...

>Jesus:
>"If your right hand causes you to commit sin; cut it off and throw it away"
>"It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

Meek aye? Also, the New Testament warned strictly warned against lewders of the gospel:

>Jude 1:4 "For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

A prophet marrying a six year old and consumating at at 9 is not a prophet but a perverder

>Jude 1:7 "as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

Yeah. The New Testament is so meek isn't it.

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>>13647573
Depends on the man. And though Muhammad, peace be upon him, was fifty he was by all accounts extremely handsome and charismatic. That in itself is literally given as a reason by some of his followers as to why they believed him, because they saw his beauty as otherworldly. His skin was white with a manly reddish tan but not swarthy, his face was oval not long or rounded, his height was above short but not freakish. His voice was always soft even when angry, he robust and walked fast as one going down a steep hill at all times, never tiribg. He was gentle and even shy, never slandering others, but he was unwavering in justice and religion. He was extremely wealthy but never ate to fullness and slept on a leather mattress fill with date palm leaves, concerned that a more comfortable bed would cause him to sleep in and miss pre sunrise prayer. He was a loving father and when his daughter in law Fatima complained Ali (may Allah be pleased with both of them) was going to take another wife, he interceded and Ali did not until Fatima passed

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>>13647579
You think Jesus or any Christian before modern times had a problem with child marriage? It is Biblical

>> No.13647629

>>13647608

> It is biblical
> Posts an example of some random English king from the 1300s

>> No.13647650

>>13647629
Biblical was a reference to Numbers 31:18

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>>13647569
yes, so influential that even now in some countries muslim parents follow their lead and give their children away to older men for them to rape

>> No.13647664

Why do Sunni and Shia still hate each other? Can't they make peace like the Catholics and Orthodox did?

>> No.13647669

>>13647604
spot the pedo

>> No.13647702

>>13647657
Female activists in Islam in fact are mostly inspired by Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, since she was very assertive. The normal age for women in marry in Saudi Arabia is 20's. Yemen is pretty unique, eight is considered too young by most Islamic standards, which tend to permit child betrothed but set the marital age at the local conception of the age of majority

>> No.13647707

>>13647664
The divide here is a lot sharper, it isn't over grammar. Twelvers cut themselves and religiously curse Sunnis and allow sex changes