/lit/ - Literature

So is chapo actually socialist or is it socdems larping? I've never listened to the podcast

>>13636985
They're radlibs

>>13636967
yeah, my wife’s son highly recommended it

>>13636967
black, red and cum.

>>13636967
>chapo trap house
I cannot express how terrible this book must be
You are a subhuman retard for ever considering it could be good in the first place

>>13636967
Just read SOME theory ANY THEORY and find an actual community IRL, you fucking nerd. It's really not that hard. Fuck. The chapo subreddit is like a bunch of airsoft nerds who think they're troops.

In any Communist country these guys would rightfully be in prison. Why do western degenerate drug-addled pervert liberals LARP as socialists? They aren't.

>>13637045
Chapo's harmless, they're just Bill Maher for millenials.

>>13636985
>at party
>5 or 6 beers in
>talking to a DSA member, a revolutionary communist, a moderate black nationalist marxist, and an anarchist (who is periodically doling out coke and some other substance to his girlfriend)
>start talking about how hitler wasn't all that bad and maybe third positionism is the best
>marxist tells me i'm dead wrong
>anarchist tells me i'm dead wrong
>black nationalist laughs
>DSA member throws up her hands and goes "whoa-kay this conversation just got a little much for me!!" and leaves all huffy

Guess which one was the chapofag

>>13636967
It's just a thin veneer of irony and edginess over pearl clutching over how racist everyone is and uncritical advocacy for some vague kind of socialism.

No substance.

>>13637345
Damn, actually a good concise summary.

>>13637318
All four were the same person

As a fan of CTH, I can say that is not a good but it can be funny. Read ACTUAL theory

>>13636967
I was a little underwhelmed, I expected a bit more meat wedged in between the goofs but it's pretty much all goofs
Eli Valley's illustrations make it a neat curio, like the type of thing you'll flip through in 20 years when recalling your youth, but you're not missing out on much if you don't read it

>>13637439
Why recommend hommage to cathalonia this book show commie yo be evil bastards and anarchist as easily exploited fools.

>>13636985
point of privilege

Ah, a fellow member of the shart left! We're not like these liberal chuds on MSNBC, let me tell ya. We say the f-word (as in "fuck," not "faggot," which is deeply offensive and upsetting) and know which movies came out in 2003. Don't think we're pals just because you're a woke dipshit also, kiddo. Have you even smoked weed out of a soda can? Also, here are my thoughts on the Turkish economy. Did I impress you with my effortless blend of highbrow and lowbrow? Bet you didn't think a man who owns a gaming chair could pretend to know about the complexities of Middle East, did you? Heh. Well, shart ya later

>>13636967
https://www.counter-currents.com/2019/04/i-listened-to-chapo-trap-house-so-you-dont-have-to/

>>13637540
Lmao

>>13637540
amazing copypasta, thank you for this

>>13637540
>shart ya later

>>13636967
>not this thread again

>>13637720
that's just a statement. if you want to greentext it, it should be something like
>this thread again

>>13637258

Chapo Trap House is the Charles Bukowski of leftism, in that both of them are embarrassing phases every suburban white kid goes through some time around his sophomore year of college.

Thankfully, most people outgrow it.

>>13636967
It's alright, if a little confused as to what kind of audience they were aiming for. Most of the book serves as a general overview of their ideology seemingly geared towards people unfamiliar with Chapo, but there's a bunch of injokes and references that would go over the heads of anyone who isn't already a fan. It's not a rigorous philosophical examination or even a "guide to revolution" of any kind. It's a pretty decent leftist analysis of contemporary American politics with some jokes thrown in.

>>13638397
hasn't it been around for like 3 years. how can it already qualify as a "phase" "every suburban white kid" goes through

>>13638657

Do you not understand how short pop cultural life cycles are in the 21st century, or do you just not think it's possible for someone to go through a phase that lasts less than three years

>>13636985

Depends on the Chapo, but generally no, they are socdems.

Will is a lukewarm socdem.
Matt is somewhat more to the left, but his obsession with electoralism means he's effectively just socdem.
Virgil is the closest one to being what most people associate with a zoomer leftist, but he's honestly the best because he's the least likely to have his coke habit get in the way of his bits.
Amber is a contrarian, it's fucking hard to figure out what she means at any given point, and she's inconsistent as hell. Union-based labour socialism is her deal, and she hates everything else.
Felix plays too much the retard to know anything about him, but if you listen you can figure out it's a bit. He's often said he's basically read only 3 books in his life, but then he goes on and quote Thomas D'aquinas...

>>13636967
Why would a non elite white male support the left except out of masochism?

>>13637540

You just mad because your imaginary gf thinks about Felix while you are hypothetically inside her.

Chapos are the type of people who claim to be really left wing but sigh reminiscently when they watch Blazing Saddles and say "That movie could NEVER be made today... the world's too politically correct.

I'm just kidding, chapos are too young to have seen blazing saddles

>>13637318
If this story is true, then you are autistic, as you have no ability to gauge who to discuss redpilled politics in front of.

>>13637815
>(you)

>>13637345
There is nothing edgier or more transgressive than unironically worshipping Hitler

>>13638821
Why? All three of the people who remained are chill, open-minded people I now consider friends. I would never have formed those friendships if I had been a milquetoast little bitch and said nothing that night.

>>13638833
Sure, that's why there was a demand for something like Chapo. It's just edgy enough to keep some people on the plantation that might otherwise go to the right.

>>13636967
It's not "high literature" or anything but it is funny and worthwile if you like the show.

>>13638834
Doesn't mean you're not autistic. If you keep doing things like that, one day your life will be ruined by an ultra-SJW who isn't willing to just walk off, but desires to try and get you fired from your job, or publicly smear you.

>>13638878
Fair enough. I am autistic, I just hate normies trying to thought police people.

>>13638863
Is there anyone out there advocating for Absolute transgression and Absolute excess as worthy ends in and of themselves? My insatiable thirst for the infinite cannot longer be contained. I feel compelled to debase and defile and destroy, to blaspheme like a heretic, not only to commit every manner of crime and vice but to encourage it and promote it among others.

>>13638889

Ok, I think we found Epstein, apparently Matt was right, it was a body double switch!

>>13638397
Nope, lefty kids embrace Bukowski as much as anyone else. Again, Chapo is Real Time with Maher for millenials

>>13637318
>moderate black nationalist marxist
>moderate

>>13638889
The only people who do that are insincere academics who have never met a policeman in their lives.

>>13638889
unironically Jonathan Yaniv. I'm completely convinced that he is only acting

>>13638947
There are also absolute madmen like Renzo Novatore, the first man to prove handgrenades are but means of killing police officers.

>>13637318

Redpill me on Destiny, chapobros.

>>13639045
Centrist ben shapiro who plays too many videogames

>>13639045
gamer bugman, reddit as fuck

>>13639053
>toes the line of every leftist position
>centrist

>>13639045
Some angry dwarf who plays videogames and rapes teenagers

>>13639045
neoliberal shill

>>13639206
He favors diminishing government regulation in financial markets?

>>13636967
>>13636985
Chapo are basically the cringe and unfunny version of TDS, which is an Alt-Right podcast.

I support them because they're Trotskyites, and thus their ideas have doomed Leftism to the shitpile of history where it belongs.

>>13639258
To be fair, all those alt-right podcasts are fucking pathetic. Have you ever met the people who browse TRS in real life? They're incredibly Reddit, the_donald plus Nazism. I say this as a Nazi.

>>13639254
he favors synthesizing financial markets with US hegemonic CIA nigger pursuits

>>13638722
Jews will do it because they hate white people.
White people with inferior genes do it because they understand innately that in a just society, they would be exterminated, and they feel guilty for being alive.

Physiognomy is real. Just look at some pictures of these guys.

>>13637318
>showing your power level

>>13639045
Watch the Ryan Dawson "debate" where Dawson literally crushes him into powder in the first ten minutes, and then has to explain Destiny's own position to him so that he can explain why it's wrong.

Steve is the living stereotype of Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

>>13638927

See, but Bill Maher is the Final Boss of insufferable liberal smugness, where the Chapo boys are more interested in faux-transgressiveness. Like Bukowski, the only people who think Chapo is in any way transgressive or edgy are sheltered millennials.

Like Bill Maher was twenty years ago, but certainly not like he is today.

>>13636967
Any good straussian neoconservative extrotskyte ironic podcasts ? Would be way more entertaining than Chapo

>>13639265
I listen to Strike & Mike because Striker actually reads, but the rest is only good as background noise if you like listening to guys with new york accents get drunk and yell about Jews.

>>13639321
Have you met actual Straussians? It's like a caricature of the jewiest fucking jew imaginable.

>>13639265
NRx podcasts tend to be quite kino in my experience

>>13639420
Recc me some NRx podcasts

>>13639347
>tfw you finally come to terms with the undeniable fact that the CIA and the RAND corporation were the real revolutionary communist vanguard all along and that american hegemony really is the most effective way to advance intersectional social justice on a global scale.

>>13639435
By social justice do you mean "no more nationalism, ergo no more holocausts, but fuck everybody who isn't Jewish?" Because that's what a Straussian is.

>>13639321
check any cable tv liberal talkshow when they bring on someone like bill kristol or max boot. i mean they're not decidedly ironic per-se, but the irony of having trotskyite soviet emigrees dictating US foreign policy and imperialism is palpable. it's that kind of greater cosmic irony that you can't reduce to a quippy twitter profile

>>13639433
Myth of the 20th Century

>>13639475
>be nrx, an movement started by a jewish capitalist
>call your podcast after a book by a nazi
The absolute fucking state of reactionaries.

>A manifesto against Logic, Facts and Reason
After hearing their views on "sex positivity" I can no longer be sure this is ironic

>>13639347
Harvey MANsfield is a straussian and, imho, pretty much the definition of Based. Mansfield even wrote a book called Manliness, which even at the time, was notorious for triggering and BTFO'ing libcucks and feminists. The book opens with a earnest dedication to the troops and the 9/11 first responders, and to be honest I was expecting an apple pie slice of bushzeit kitsch and fox news americana, but no, it's a surprisingly nuanced and complex book about nihilism, the death of god and the end of history, man's excessive nature and woman's immanence. what if the war on terror was the only thing keeping america from descending into full nihilistic managerial gynocracy?

>This book invites—no, demands—a response from its readers. It is impossible not to be drawn in to the provocative (often contentious) discussion that Harvey Mansfield sets before us. This is the first comprehensive study of manliness, a quality both bad and good, mostly male, often intolerant, irrational, and ambitious. Our “gender-neutral society” does not like it but cannot get rid of it.
>Drawing from science, literature, and philosophy, Mansfield examines the layers of manliness, from vulgar aggression, to assertive manliness, to manliness as virtue, and to philosophical manliness. He shows that manliness seeks and welcomes drama, prefers times of war, conflict, and risk, and brings change or restores order at crucial moments. Manly men in their assertiveness raise issues, bring them to the fore, and make them public and political—as for example, the manliness of the women’s movement.
>After a wide-ranging tour from stereotypes to Hemingway and Achilles, to Nietzsche, to feminism, and to Plato, the author returns to today’s problem of “unemployed manliness.” Formulating a reasoned defense of a quality hardly obedient to reason, he urges men, and especially women, to understand and accept manliness, and to give it honest and honorable employment.

>>13639475
I like m20c, but calling it nrx is a bit off the mark

>>13639510
That might been the most amerimutt post ever written.

>>13639510
>what if the war on terror was the only thing keeping america from descending into full nihilistic managerial gynocracy?

But that's what we're in now, in this timeline where the war on terror happened. So to my eyes Mansfield is a shabbos bitch who supported a war that may have killed off some of the manliest men left in our society for no purpose at all

>>13639537
They died for something greater than them. What more could they demand?

>>13639510
seems like an outdated take today considering how war, at least for americans, has been so thoroughly feminized by drones and proxy conflict. unless you're the actual target of an american invasion, war is a feminized spectacle whose proponents are never remotely in any actual danger.

the average american soldier is stationed in a conflict-free zone, jerking off to porn and playing xbox all day. i guess this is the most logical way to justify the inevitable cutting of veteran pensions.

>>13639556
>t a yuropoor

>>13636967
no

>>13639457
Max Boot. Even his name is based and aproppriately neoconservative. As a zoomer and a child of soviet refugees, I feel true nostalgia for the decadent Bush era, the noble prospect of spreading democracy around the world and being proud of saying this is who we are. Despite the unease of the aughts, the lamentable gradual loss of our judeochristian identity and grounding on western civilisation, an idealism and a sense of solemn moral purpose shines through, long vanished from the american left and now the american right. As the events of Dayton Ohio prove, alt left ideology has the potential to be a catalyst for violent extremism, appealing as their counterparts in the white supremacist right do, to dissafected young white men who were raised by single mothers or else grew up without a reasonable father figure. What we really need is a renewed militant liberal democracy and a commitment to enlightenment values. Things like lgbt rights and anti racism when properly understood, are a logical development of judeochristian humanist values

>>13639435
Why is chapo soft on Russia? Are we witnessing the birth of a duginist red brown green alliance of illiberalism? The chapo left even go as far to deny all collusion, just as Donald Trump himself. The traditional humanist and democratic values of the left have given way in this case to a violent and dogmatic discourse which is a mirtor image of the far right.

>>13640020
>this spooked

>>13640020
Based

Broke:
Huuuuurrrrr duuuuurrrrr reasoning bad because Ben Shapiro talks about it
Woke:

>>13640574
Wasn’t Hume a huge racist?

>>13640076
Left wing antisemitism is very real as seen by the behaviour of some in the Corbyn wing of the uk labour party.

>>13640600
why do you ask this?
>>13640642
>

>>13640741
I thought leftists didn’t like people who were racist, even if it fit the time period
See CuckoldTube’s video on Kant

>>13636967

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Chapo Trap House. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of socialist theory most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Matt's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Garfield literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who quarantine r/ChapoTrapHouse truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Will's existencial catchphrase "Chapo Let's Go," which itself is a cryptic reference to The Ramones' epic "Blitzkrieg Bop".
I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Felix Biderman's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a r/ChapoTrapHouse tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

>>13640600
>>13640600
yeah he was a racist monarchist, very odd choice, youd think they'd pick a more left wing enlightenment figure.

>>13640870
The most left wing enlightenment figures were classical liberals and very right by today's standards. Though Thomas Paine did propose public retirement pensions, disability welfare and a ~ 1000 dollar inheritance in today's money for anyone who's 21.

>>13639045
A cuban duck who need to spend less time around milkerino and more time with Lily. He should also tell BadBunny to keep his name out her mouth.

>>13641077
many cuban americans are CIA agents

>>13641045
yeah but someone like Locke is way more fitting. Locke even has the exact kind of btfoing of the right that they are talking about in his first Treatise on Patriarcha. Locke would undoubtedly have been one of them were he born in this period, he was exactly that sort of person, you can't read that Treatise without being reminded of them.

Hume on the other hand was a very different sort of person, and depicting him shushing someone is retarded, he was one of the most thoughtful and honest men to ever live, and wasn't a dick at all. And again he was a fucking monarchist.

>>13641077
in English please

>>13640020
>>13640642
neocons failed democracy and ruined our end of history, now you will be force fed your own shit and i expect you to keep a smile on your face throughout every bite you fucking worm

>>13636967
do you enjoy listening to basedboy feminazis?

>>13640076
>>13640741
>all the serious mainstream media are wrong, stalinist LARPers, enemy propaganda outlets and literal nazis are right!

>>13636967
Rapist Frat House? No.

>>13641422
>THEY ARE NUKES IN IRAQ, THEY JUST HAVENT FOUND THEM!!!!

>>13640020
Liberalism is evil and all sensible people know this. The sort of person who seriously defends modern liberalism in 2019 is the sort of person who gets his news from John Oliver.

What actual value does the ideology have?
>Well we have more rights!
Okay but we also have massive debt and failing birthrates and every state service is a ponzi scheme.

>Well we have freedom of speech!
Except we actually don't.

>Well we have fair elections!
Except we actually don't.

>Well we're making progress!
Except we aren't, our infrastructure is collapsing and the people are sliding gradually into debt.

>Well at least we have the future to look forward to!
There is no future anymore because if you're right wing we're being overrun by 80 IQ shitskins who are incapable of civilization, and if you're left-wing we're destroying the planet and everyone is going to die of starvation in 120 degree weather.

>W-well at least we have all those cool apple products to look forward to!
The rare earth elements are all mined in China which is in a death spiral of capital-rich thoroughput investment that will never pay off, and the country is turning into a desert that can't produce food.

>w-w-well people of color are b-b-better off
Open air slave markets in Libya, Africa is about to be colonized by the Chinese who we know are willing to burn minorities alive with flamethrowers in public and laugh about it.

In short, liberalism is evil. It is an opiate that snuffs out the public's ability to reason what is good and evil.

>>13639510
>as a burger i need to be in a massively overpowered death frat and kill and maim brown children for years on end ... to feel Manly.

>>13639451
That's Kojeve, who Strauss disagreed with.

They both shared Allan Bloom as a student, which is why so many Bloom-loving Straussians also tend to have weird Kojevian beliefs that don't fit with the rest of their Straussianism.

>>13638889
The Order of Nine Angles

>>13639317
You're retarded. Maher is just for sheltered libs in their 50s now in the same way Chapo is for sheltered lefties in their 20s. The latter will grow into the former.

>>13636967
Can someone red-pill me on CTH? I have no interest in listening to their podcast, is it the left's response to the idiocies of the right? Answering to insanity with more insanity?

>>13636967
I thought this did it better.