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So when are you converting to islam?

>>13632233
Good job anon. I'm reading Nicolas Berdyaev and he develops a similar critique while attacking capitalism and marxism.
"It is the result of a secularization of economic life, and by it the hierarchical subordination of the material to the spiritual is inverted. The autonomy of economics has ended in their dominating the whole life of human societies: the worship of Mammon has become the determining force of the age. And the worst of it is that this undisguised “mammonism” is regarded as a very good thing, an attainment to the knowledge of truth and a release from illusions. Economic materialism formulates this to perfection when it brands the whole spiritual life of man as a deception and a dream. "


>>13632243
Islam was prudent for Guenon because he was mainly looking for a valid "initiation" into a religious practice that wasn't full blown monk-mode but also not normie tier like protestantism.
I'm orthodox christian and I find Guenon useful.

>>13632243
>So when are you converting to islam?
yeah i don't get this, reading his books he seems negative when referencing Judaic influence in east and west. surprised he didn't become hindu.

>>13632302
he couldn't get to india

>>13632243
not op, but unironically going to convert to Islam after having been introduced to Guenon and his traditionalist school

>>13632302
He thought being Hindu was cultural appropriation, Islam is the closest Western equivalent

>>13632328
Have you looked into Orthodox Christianity? Frithjof Schuon was a close colleague of Guenon who recommended Orthodoxy quite highly.

It's really the best way to have a personal relationship with God imo, a personal God who is both transcendent and immanent in the world. Islam's concept of God is quite impersonal, more like a law giver/judge but not willing to enter the world, never expressing authentic love for man, always distant, and his forgiveness is quite arbitrary, a muslim can't have much confidence in his own salvation. etc...
I'd recommend reading the New Testament and The Philokalia and just researching our Church Fathers and Saints. That helped me a lot.

>>13632362
cope

>>13632365
Cringe

How to into perrenialism?

I've seen some perrenial works of Celtic theism which I'd like to read, but I feel a more general introduction would be to my favour

>>13632328
>>13632362
Islam and Orthodox Christianity are just two flavors of Judaism.

>>13632342
No he didn't, it just presented more practical difficulties (going to India, learning Hindi etc, assimilating into the culture and finding a means of living there) and he didnt want to become a full-blown ascetic monk as another anon mentioned. Living in Egypt was already difficult enough and he only managed to survive through the patronage of rich readers and friends of his who sent him money, one even purchased the home he lived in and gave it to him. Becoming a Hindu and being initiated into various Hindu spiritual lineages in not at all impossible though. John Levy was an English Jewish traditionalist who converted to Islam and then traveled to India, left Islam and converted to Hinduism and spent some time there as an acetic. Even after moving to Egypt and adopting the outward practices of Islam Guenon mostly focused on Hindu teachings in his writings and his personal library of books were mostly composed of various Hindu texts in Sanskrit and translations.

>>13632387
Judaism and Islam are very close in terms of their rituals and theology, there's nothing quite like Orthodoxy though, it's very unique, man is no longer a bond-servant to God but a friend of God, a son of God...working with God not simply obeying as a slave.
It's the truth of man's destiny and extremely freeing and salvific.

>>13632377
Huxley's 'The Perennial Philosophy' or Guenon's first book

>>13632397
Okay, so you are a creepy orientalist.

>>13632397
>Judaism and Islam are very close
Of course, Muhammad destroyed the religion of the Arabs and forced them to worship the god of the Jews.

>>13632362
Yes, but (mystical) Islam is much more accessible to me here in Western Europe for I have several sufi schools close by.

I'm advocating Orthodoxy to my Serbian friend who wants to move there when he's done with his studies. That'd be more appropriate for his circumstances and heritage

>>13632427
Serbia isn't located in the Middle-East you orientalist retard.

>>13632442
I meant my Serbian friend, who was born and raised in West-Europe, wants to move to Serbia when he's done with his studies here.

>>13632233
>>finally start reading
stopped reading there

>>13632427
>(mystical) Islam
So there is more than one Islam?

>>13632450

>>13632450
Islam is a shit sandwich of many ingredients

>>13632457
Sorry, I don't speak African.
Is that round thing a sacred tam-tam?

>>13632457
>>13632458
>>13632450
Islam has a mystical aspect which is what the sufi's teach. Sure you can have some profound experiences like how buddhists do, they seek sensuality in the religious, and they even might improve their moral character...But it doesn't really matter if you're not worshiping the God who incarnated and saved you, and follow a pedophilic arab. Come on now.

>>13632520
>mystical
>sufi
Yeah, getting drunk and spinning around in a fucking dress is so mystical.

>>13632520
The union of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Aisha symbolizes the acceptance of the urges that the most-high Allah (swt) placed in all of our hearts. Why would the omnipotent all-knowing Creator make men have a sexual interest in children nearing puberty if He didnt want us to take them as our lawful wives?

>>13632553
>Why would the omnipotent all-knowing Creator make men have a sexual interest in children nearing puberty
That's due to the fall, bro. A 9 year old isn't ready to raise children and become a wife, and also there are physical complications that happen with pregnancy at that age, even for 14-15year old girls, a huge percent of them become incontinent due to the tearing, they shit/pee themselves because their bodies weren't ready to give birth.

And Aisha was 6 when he molested her and 9 when they fucked. Kids are hitting puberty earlier today because of all the hormones/chemicals/pollution they are exposed to in the environment. Which is also causing their breasts to get bigger for some reason. https://nextshark.com/japanese-womens-breasts-growing-last-40-years/

>>13632553
You'll end in jail you pedo scum.

>Nooooooooooo materialism is correct! Everything is matter and you should only care about your material interests!

>>13632397
timshel

>>13632602
>you should only care about your material interests
That's why René Guénon wrote those paper books for a living.

>>13632427
>Islam is much more accessible to me here in Western Europe
Europe is beyond pathetic

>>13632683
ISLAM BAD
CHRISTIANITY GOOD
SKYRIM ANCESTORS QUOTE FUNNY

>>13632692
islam and christianism are the same orientalist bullshit you moron

>>13632719
Christianity is the truth, all geographic regions can take it up and use it for their good and salvation.
And to be fair the jews rejected it, while the gentiles took it up and Christianity grew in Europe and shaped Europe for thousands of years, while all the old superstitions died and were replaced by Christian truth.

>>13632763
>the old superstitions died
What old superstitions?

>>13632763
>the jews rejected it
You are wrong: the Christians didn't reject Christianity.

>>13632770
pagan myths, gnosticism, cults (zalmoxis, dionysian, etc), magic (human sacrifice, channeling spirits), etc.

>>13632763
>Christianity grew in Europe and shaped Europe for thousands of years
Christianity was merely a thing in Europe, it lasted about 2000 years.
2000 years is nothing.

>>13632777
wasted trips.
learn english.

>>13632763
the truth has been replaced

>>13632784
>pagan myths
What pagan myths?

>>13632784
>pagan myths
Tell me more about those evil pagan myths all Christians are talking about.

>>13632804
>>13632816
basically just white hinduism

>>13632804
Reincarnation. Ancestor worship. Idolizing false-gods. Making charms/runes to influence causality. Offering sacrifices to false gods. etc.
Ask Varg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalmoxis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Dionysus

>>13632821
>white hinduism
What is "white hinduism"? Is it another christian concept?

the beauty of Platonic Idealism which is analogous to Hindu Idealism which are the most noble of all the faiths any human has ever aspired to hold is perfected in the disgusting ressentiment filled scheming cave mutterer screeds of the desert people and their domesticated European adherents

Which is embodied and perfected in the Abrahamic faith so.. there goes that theory.

The best faith is something Neoplatonic, like Neoplatonic Islam. the beauty of Platonic Idealism which is analogous to Hindu Idealism which are the most noble of all the faiths any human has ever aspired to hold is perfected in the disgusting ressentiment filled scheming cave mutterer screeds of the desert people and their domesticated European adherents

>>13632787
>>13632804
>>13632844

Eastern Orthodoxy is the original European religion that will save mankind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biU7TsfNoiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biU7TsfNoiQ


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>>13632855
>monistic gibberish
You're posting cringe bro.
God isn't an impersonal perfect monad that also emanates evil for no reason.

>>13632826
Why should I care about those middle-eastern-tier oriental germanic and roman stuff?

>>13632864
>Eastern
>European
LOL
I don't care about your roman/germanic oriental bullshit.

>>13632362
Is the Orthodox Church the healthiest surviving denomination of Christianity? Are there substantial differences between the various nationalities of Orthodoxy, like Greek, Russian, etc.?

I'm an American who grew up secular. I had long been interested in Catholicism, but given the corrupt nature of the church and the dilution of its practices, I have decided against converting. I've always thought that Catholics had the most robust philosophy and theology, ancient and modern, but perhaps I'm overstating their case and underestimating their compatibility with other forms of Christianity. I just don't really know what to do when even modern Catholics like Ed Feser are starting to lean towards sedevacantism when the whole point of the Catholic Church is that there's one apostolic church headed by the Pope in Rome to the exclusion of others. I also don't understand how serious, intelligent, and moral Catholic thinkers can tolerate the leadership of the Catholic Church either. I could continue rambling on and on because I've taken in so much information, yet I am no better off than when I started with religion.

>>13632896
Actually, scratch that. How could I forget that Orthodoxy were extensions of political power too? The patriarchs of Constantinople were often appointed by the Byzantine emperors for political reasons, and the Russian Orthodox Church was often used to spy on political dissidents back in the days of the tzars.

Honestly, is there a single Abrahamic religious institution that is free of politics or pedophilia? Serious question.

>>13632763
>while the gentiles took it up and Christianity grew
Genociding 1/3 of Europe is taking it up? Like picking up a jar of pickles at the grocery store, right?
You suck jewsus’ peeny so faithfully.

>>13632826
>reincarnation
Maybe
>ancestor worship
Noble
>idolizing false gods
Sun, moon, Mother Earth are more real than your evil demiurge jehova.
>making charms/runes
Reminders, self-fulfilling prophecies, like having a prayer in your heart or a priest in your ass hole.

>>13632896
The state needs to be subservient to Gods'laws as well as the individual, otherwise you get a misguided and evil state. Inaction is destructive in the face of internal or external threats.
Christianity is not purely a subjective matter but a way if life so the nation and state need to follow along.
If you want christian anarchism see Nicolas Berydaev.

>>13632969
>these transient, dependent phenomena are more real than their eternal, unchanging Source
>matter is more real than spirit because I see it
Yikes.
vargish Neo-Paganism is so goofy.

>>13632233
does becoming Guenonian mean you have to not believe in science anymore?
I find explanations by Evol. psycholgy and other sciences useful, what kind of alternative methods does he offer in regards to Science?

>>13633198
Evolution is fake and gay. Most evo psych explanations can be explained without the evolution part added on top, it’s superfluous.

>>13633193
Yeah, their posts are suspiciously similar to schizophrenic coprolalia.

>>13632864
u just think it looks mystic and cool

>>13633214
But Rab-shakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? Hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? (2 Kings 18:27)
LOL orientalism is so embarrassing.

>>13632909
judaism lol.

>>13633214
They don't respect you, it seems.
How surprising!

>>13632763
Based

>>13633506
t. stinky orientalist

>>13632233
>>realize that a big source of misery in today's society is due to the entirely materialistic view of man

Expand on this.

>>13632875
>no reason

Its not for no reason.

>>13632875
t. jay dyer

>>13633198
Evolutionary psychology and in fact any anthropology reducing man to (biological) pseudo-functionalism is not 'science' as in natural science.
It is a philosophical position, and a pathetic one.

>>13633866
Why?

>>13633893
The arguments put forward are philosophical, they are not scientific hypotheses that can be investigated using the scientific method.

>>13633866
gonna need some arguments boyo

>>13633924
That's not what I mean by why dude

>>13633193
Pagans may or may not believe in a single source, but they definitely believe that there are lots of creators and gods between us and the creator of all matter.

Christians are like a bacteria thinking the persons mouth they are in is the supreme creator of all matter. It’s retarted.

my gf is into bondage, is there an anime genre I can pull imagery from along those lines? To send her I mean. thx

>>13632397
>Judaism and Islam are very similar
This is only superficially true. Muhammad hated the borderline worship of Jewish rabbis and accused them od being to rigid and extremely lacking in esotericism.
Quran 9:31
>They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks

>>13634509
LOL
Muhammad literally destroyed the religion of the Arabs and then forced them to worship the god of the Jews.

>>13633373
you can't be serious

>>13634572
And he did the right thing. Arab Paganism wasn't even sophisticated like in Rome and Greece to make good we wuzzing material or interesting like with the Nords Hindus and Slavs. It's literally just desert people dancing to the goddess of vaginas before engaging going on raping sprees. All he did was speed up the process of converting them to an actual religion.

>>13634629
>it's literally just desert people dancing to the goddess of vaginas before engaging going on raping sprees
wtf that sounds based as hell

>>13634583
there is no way (((abc news))) actually featured an article like this, has to be a fake image

>>13634629
>an actual religion
So you are a jewish supremacist?

>>13634645
google "mohel herpes death", plenty of articles

>>13634647
No. I consider Zoroastrianism Buddhism Classical Chinese faiths and certain sects of Hinduism as actual religions. The Greeks and Romans had a rich mythology and their philosophers changed the world.

>>13634673
>their philosophers
Their philosophers took their knowledge from the druids of the Gauls, as written in presocratic fragments.

>>13632287
Still think no one knows how you let a gay Jew with HIV lick your ass in 2014? Everybody Knows, Juche. Maybe you too should convert to Islam so you can cash in on polygamy.

>>13634673
Many of those "roman" philosophers were romanized Gauls.

>>13634720
Not the person you where replying to, but where can I find more info on this

>>13632362
> Islam's concept of God is quite impersonal, more like a law giver/judge but not willing to enter the world, never expressing authentic love for man, always distant, and his forgiveness is quite arbitrary, a muslim can't have much confidence in his own salvation. etc...
Blablablabla...

"Among the people are those who set up compeers besides Allah, loving them as if loving Allah —but the faithful have a more ardent love for Allah— though the wrongdoers will see, when they sight the punishment, that power, altogether, belongs to Allah, and that Allah is severe in punishment."

>>13632362
You want god to be your daddy and mommy

>>13632362
>Posts Leon Bloy quote
>Is an schismatic Orthoshill

Retarded American LARPer

>>13632520
In a lot of Arabic cultures kids run riot and you do whatever the fuck you want until you're a man, then you have to listen to the Imam. It's almost the opposite of the Euro model, where you are an obedient little shit or you get slapped, then when you're a man you're free but responsible.

In Asian, Confucian cultures you're obedient forever.

But anyway, strict, legalistic crap is there for angry young men, Shia is a bit gentler than Sunni, but when you hit about 50 and get tired you can be a Sufi and go all mystical.

I still think Buddhism as taught by Jesus is superior, pity it got buried in pagan calendar and clerical power.

>>13632553
Not many people are sexually attracted to children, good bait tho, i responded/10

>>13632588
All asians have a better diet with more meat in it than 40 years ago. Holy shit i've seen 6' tall Korean girls in flat shoes and they don't stand out too much in a crowd.

40 years ago the 'asians are small' meme was true.

>>13632233
OP could it be the case that a world view bringing misery has no bearing on it being true or false ?

Ie our understandings of genetics means that we can tell that certain innocent people will suffer horrifically for reasons beyond their control despite that being repugnant to our ethical desires

>>13632387
Christianity is a Greek mystery religion buddy.

>>13635356
Pretty sure in Islam it's no rules until 7 and then some rules until 15, then you're pretty much under man rules

>>13632243
This kills the guenonist

>>13632233
I can't trust anyone with a forehead that small

Hey anons.
How do I get started with Guenon?

>>13635761
Read the very first Cosmotech thread in the archive, the screenshot of Guenonfag, and then buy all his books on Amazon, burn them, and be happy you didn’t waste your time with such a weak, tremendously cowardly thinker.

>>13635761

>>13635699

>>13635796
Are horsefaces the new manlets?

>>13632621
Right, that's the only reason he wrote books