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>>13622336
Being

>>13622336
body without organs

>>13622336
The concept of not saving thumbnails.

>>13622336
philosophy is useless

Deleuze without dumbing it down

>>13622404
That's the thing though, are D&G's ideas even worth parsing? I don't want to sit here and pore over every paragraph just to find out it's a bunch of bullshit.

>>13622336
Neologisms

>>13622457
Well, considering that they didn't understand schizophrenia and then built a whole worldview based upon that it's not a very good sign.

>>13622336
no bullshit? the concept that cold hard logic is the only valid form of truth-seeking. The concept that everything most people do and think on a daily basis is to abstract themselves and revel in nebulous, nonsensical ideas and principles when the bare truth is right under their noses the whole time.

>>13622351
Becoming

dialectics

>>13622336
unironically marxism

>>13622544
based deleuze poster

The last 7 pages of my diary tbqh

>>13622336

Geist probably

>>13622336
God
determinism
consciousness
morality

>>13622537
Shut the fuck up Descartes. You were already BTFOed by Hegel and Hume and Kant

>>13623338
>>>/b/

>>13623339
Nigga Descartes basically invented these clowns

>>13622336
The Numogram

>>13623196
Heraclitus poster*

>>13622490
>googles "the definition of the [insert neologism]
>"nothing personal kiddo"

>>13622358
kek. top post.

>>13622336
Idiosyncratic bullshittery

>>13622358
lol

>>13622358
+1 XD

>>13623923
heheh le upbote so funneh amirite save it pls lori

>>13624729
Shut the fuck up

Upper-level mathematics is more complicated than anything in philosophy as a whole.

>>13624766
+1 XD so edgy, I LIKE IT

>>13624772
Oh cool then can you explain to me Kant's refutation of Hume's problem of induction?

>>13622336

Absurdist ontology and its correlation with nondualist metaphysics.
The Cynics here know what I mean

>>13624781
Don't fucking @ me again you fucking meme

>>13624808
>@
go back to whatever shithole you're from faggot

>>13622537
>the concept that cold hard logic is the only valid form of truth-seeking
Why would you hold such a brainlet-tier belief? If by "logic" you mean "deductive logic" then the question arises: "where do you get your premisses?" Even back in Aristotle's day people were already aware that deductive logic is completely sterile without starting premisses, and you can't prove those premisses through deduction since it would lead to an infinite regress. You need some unproved assumptions and no amount of deductive logic can furnish those. And the inductive logic of Roger Bacon and John Stuart Mill didn't solve anything either, since empirical induction (while powerful and useful) will never prove anything beyond doubt. And in the first place, unless you have an initial hypothesis, you won't even know what to look for, so you won't even get to the starting line of inductive argumentation. The real motor of science, and discovery in general, has always been a kind of serendipity coupled with far-fetched unprovable assumptions. (Kepler discovered the laws of planetary motion while fiddling with pants-on-head retarded neopythagorean ideas.)

>>13624815
Yeah I'll go back into your mom's mouth with my big penis LOL rekt don't mess with me again nigga

>>13622353
>assuming something must resemble life to be able to operate
>>13623338
study operant conditioning
>>13624772
Irrelevant and it’s results
overall detrimental to human health
>>13622336
Currently it’s that humans are not actually autonomous acting agents. The sooner we accept that humans are a reflection of their environment, and not the other way around. This is the only way we can solve the crisis plaguing the results of our capitalist hyperreality without simply “kicking the can down the road”.

>>13622336
Repetition

>>13624772
the real redpill is realizing all nu-math is unnecessarily complicated for a reason because they're trying to cover up the fact that physics has been a meme since the copehnagen interpretation and it's literally 100% bullshit and every scientific advancement since the 30s has been based on an ever-increasing pile of lies and obfuscation and quantum mechanics is fucking bullshit. get woke my nigga. nu-math is a fucking meme

>>13624828
>Irrelevant and it’s results
>overall detrimental to human health
Why do you believe so? Just curious.

>>13623193

this. I've been having a wonderful time revisiting Marx, Lenin, and Mao before the Fall semester. They are such joys to read because their lines of demarcation are drawn excellently and their arguments are constructed with the rigor and precision of an engineer. Lenin especially has a writing style that I've been trained to view as essentially philosophical because of the dominance of analytic philosophy in the North American academy (although his brilliant dialectical skills exclude him from that category). All of my professors would love him if it weren't for the cold war hysteria around the USSR and Marxism-Leninism. Also has me thinking about how positivism has carved up the meaning of science, with Marx and Engels' claim that their epistemology is a scientific method.

The hegemonic Trotskyism of western "left" academia and the dogmato-revisionism of left-communism (Bordiga) are so boring compared to thinkers who have actually emerged in a revolutionary context.

>>13624825
>you can't prove those premisses through deduction since it would lead to an infinite regress. You need some unproved assumptions and no amount of deductive logic can furnish those.
LOL get a load of this other gay boi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema_(Kant)#Pure_concepts_of_the_understanding

>>13622645
Came to say this, anyone care to weigh in?

>>13624854
OP had Hegel in the OP for a reason

>>13624849
You sure about that? It seems to me that "nu-math" (starting from the foundational efforts of the early 20th century) has become increasingly divorced from physics and reality in general. Things like general topology, number theory, and algebraic geometry seem to have little or nothing to do with any practical issue. Nu-math is for the most part mental masturbation with no external goal; its only goal is its own self-perpetuation. Nu-mathematicians just hoard a bunch of mostly useless results in the vague hope that in the future someone might find out that one or two of those results were actually useful.

>>13624850
What exactly is “advanced mathematics” going to tell us in regards to solving things like the obesity epidemic, depression, suicide, addiction, etc? It’s all purely material gain and further proves as a source of despair in reducing the need and impact of human resource.

>>13624874
>Nu-math is for the most part mental masturbation with no external goal; its only goal is its own self-perpetuation.

Are you sure you're not talking about philosophy? Retard

>>13624893
This post gave me cancer

>>13624888
>>13624874
>>13624849
>>13624828
Back to /b/

>>13624901
I wish

>>13624852
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema_(Kant)#Pure_concepts_of_the_understanding
And? Sounds to me like Kant made a lot of unproved claims. You quoted my saying:
>>you can't prove those premisses through deduction since it would lead to an infinite regress. You need some unproved assumptions and no amount of deductive logic can furnish those.
Can you explain exactly how Kant can use deductive logic to prove premisses without falling into an infinite regress?

>>13624893
>Are you sure you're not talking about philosophy?
You might not realize just how much nu-math and philosophy are intertwined. It's people like Frege and Russell who got the ball rolling in nu-math, and they were analytic philosophers. Not to mention that Cantor studied medieval theology.

>>13622336
Higher maths

>>13624888
>It’s all purely material gain
It's not even that, if you ask me; unless you are talking about applied mathematics in engineering and finance. So far as pure math goes, there is little gain, material or otherwise.

>>13624916
>Can you explain exactly how Kant can use deductive logic to prove premisses without falling into an infinite regress?
He doesn't need to because he presents a priori concepts that are used for transcendental deduction without having to use inference

>>13624951
>it’s not even that
Yes it is. What other purpose does any form of math serve other than to better master our environment to
A: reduce discomfort
B: raise comfort
Of which it does neither and only causes more misery and pain by becoming and a ever more complex web with which we can never hope to escape.

>>13624976
But how do you know those concepts really are a priori? Isn't that yet another unproved assumption needed to start off the argument?

>>13624989
Because Kant said so faggot. How do you know the poster you were replied to wasn't operating in a Kantian framework? Your reply implied that there is an absolute reality without a priori concepts but Kant disagrees with you. Neither of you has any proofs

>>13624980
>What other purpose does any form of math serve
None. Math doesn't need to serve any purpose. Mathematicians do math for math's sake. Or, at most, for the sake of personal prestige, for the sake of being that one guy who solved that difficult unsolved problem. I mean, do you think proving Goldbach's conjecture will allow us better to master the environment? It won't change anything, most likely. Yet mathematicians have been trying to prove it for generations. Engineers may care about mastering the environment, but pure mathematicians seem to be fairly divorced from any utilitaristic goal.

>>13625011
>Because Kant said so
That's the bottom line: unproved assumptions.

>>13625019
God you’re a fucking autist

>>13625066
A correct fucking autist.

>>13622336
Habituation

>>13622336
The sky's the limit, systems of abstraction can only get more and more particular

>>13624782
I'm not the math guy but your post is dumb

>>13624815
you both can

Deconstruction

>>13625479
fuck you

>>13622336
You’re mommy being pounded doggystyle

>>13622544
Being is becoming.

>>13622537
This sounds more like stoner talk than philosophy

>>13622537
>>13624825
Reminder that "logic" was constructed out of philosophers' interpretation of what is entailed in proper thinking. It's not some sort of empirical field where instead of dealing with epistemology you just get raw, direct access to the material of "logic". And this can easily be seen not just by stuff like dialetheism, but even historically in things like the different disjunctions that were in use between 19th century Europe and post-Fregean 20th century Anglo philosophy, or the differences between Aristotelian and Stoic logic.

There is no such thing as "cold hard logic", it's exactly on the same tier as the other subfields of philosophy.

>>13624976
>when you think you understand kant

>>13622353
This. Can anyone offer any insight on BwO?

>>13625027
Go write your Kant refutation then

>>13625316
I'm not the induction guy but your mom is a whore

>>13622336
The aztec concept of teotl as it unfolds in agonic inamic dualities through the triple scheme of nepantla, ollin and mallinolli.

>>13622336
Not sure if it's the hardest to grasp but I find the concept of hacceity to be a subtle and very interesting concept.
Apparently some Italian guy in the Middle Ages said he despered so much of understanding Aristotles' concept of entelechia that he was considering killing himself. But he was probably a brainlet.

>>13625635
>when you try to imply someone doesn't understand Kant but you know you don't understand it yourself so you can't commit to a refutation and have to stick with a greentext

>>13624849
>>13624874
You seem unaware of the growing influence of topology in both materials physics and applied computer science, not to mention how crucial it was to the development of chaos theory and the study of non-linear dynamics. This literally helped us make meteorological predictions that aren't complete bogus. Not to mention even upper-level topology retains a intuitive content that in some respect makes it more approachable (at first) than traditional analysis in R or C.

The idea that divorcing maths from physics must be modern degeneracy is also slightly retarded. The Greek already considered arithmetic a contemplative endeavor, you think Pythagoras founded a cult around numbers because he found them useful in building bridges? The Greek modeled their buildings after their maths, not the other way around.
And fwiw physicists still borrow heavily from advanced maths. The problem is not so much the abstraction of the models (in reality the phenomenon are just as inscrutable if not more) but the difficulty of realizing experiment. Our theory is reaching microscopic scales that our instruments can't distinguish.

Maths is still the product of human intuition and human (if autistic) language, it's not really that divorced from reality, unless you have the feverish urge of turning any theorem into a tool for building consumerist toys.

>>13624888
>What exactly is “advanced mathematics” going to tell us in regards to solving things like the obesity epidemic, depression, suicide, addiction, etc?

Those things might need a hand from advanced stgatistics and optimization, and yes both of those include heavy doses of maths, and yes they're already in use.

t. Worked with a epidemiologist specialist of diabetes and helped him build a statistical methodology

>>13624951
You have to realize how high-level the maths in finance is. Because it's officially "applied" doesn't mean it's made by retards. The idea that "high maths" = "pure maths" is indeed a modern, but it's misleading.

>>13624931
This. I read a description of the 11th dimension written in 2002 that was so theoretical it might as well be describing the easter bunny. The 11th dimension is infinitely long, 2mm wide and 2mm from every point in our universe. The math all checks out, but it's about as useful as religion.

>>13624980
This nigga acting like he's trapped in a spiderweb of maths. Unless you're a graduate student in mathematics you're not, nobody is holding you hostage, get over yousrself. You see almost none of the maths that underpins your daily life.

>>13625253
whats it about lad

>>13626044
>The Greek modeled their buildings after their maths, not the other way around
Kinda. They noticed how math and things in the physical world corresponded and thought they'd found the key to everything. Particularly the stuff about strings and notes played, it's freakin beautiful and leads you into more beauty that just isn't there for the uneducated eye/ear.

>>13626067
Just because it sounds far-fetched doesn't mean it's magical. The point is that dimension was introduced to fit a model of experiments. Now perhaps trying to fine-tune the mathematical models is the wrong approach in this case, but not because it's "as useful as religion", more likely because it's over-tuning and not particularly enlightening, like the theory of epicycles (which did produce testable predictions).

>>13626063
what math do they use in finance aside from basic calculus?

>>13626076
Yes but again this is more contemplative than applied. It's about making their reality more mathematical, or bringing out in the open the mathematical character of their reality, not about using mathematics to service a particular engineering discipline.

>>13625316
im not the math guy but ur retarded if u dont understand something as simple as analogy proof math people dont understand mirrors and are bugmen

>>13626083
Stochastic calculus, chiefly Ito's Lemma and the Black-Scholes model that relies on it. Scientifically it's probably bogus anyway because they have to make a lot of unrealistic assumption to make the models tractable. But ultimately the difficulty is not that they're creating an all-too-abstract model but rather than the real behavior of the market is even harder to grasp than the high-level equations.

>>13622336
Justice apparently, it seems I'm the only person alive that has arrived at the ttue meaning of it

>>13626083
The same math every industry set out to optimize shit uses, partial differential equations

>>13626040
if we had to concern ourselves with every random fag that says dumb shit on /lit/, we would rot at the keyboard

>>13622336
can someone post the full size image so I don't hurt my eyes trying to read it

Idk but I assume fascism since none of you faggots seem to understand it.


>>13623193
Being this much of a jew

>>13625076
not that other guy but i like your posts

>>13626138
embarrassing

>>13626163
Maybe it's not meant to be read dumbass

>>13626106
Please share

>>13626340
maybe you are meant to take nigger dick in the ass all day faggot

>>13626347
Retard

>>13625648
IT FALLS BACK UPON SHITTING MACHINES RECORDING THE LOCUS OF ANTIPRODUCTION, WHILE BEING A SOCIAL MACHINE, WHICH CANNOT PRODUCE WITH OR WITHOUT DESIRE PRODUCTION

>>13623632
>googles 'teleoplexy'
>no quick definition
Looks like Uncle Nick wins again.

>>13623338
Based.

>>13624828
>study operant conditioning
What for?

>>13626342
This. And agree that it's one of the most difficult.

>>13624851
funny, and this could be due to my having successfully ignored any mention of bordiga by people born in the last 20 years online for a long time, but i find his work reads very similarly to lenin's in the sense you described, perhaps because he actually was an engineer.

>>13626542
For understanding life

>>13622336
impossible concepts such as philosophical zombies. This is because believing or feeling you understand something is not the same as understanding it. One cannot grasp a concept that pertains to the real world if the concept is impossible in the real world, one can only feel one grasps the concept.

>>13624825
>Even back in Aristotle's day people were already aware that deductive logic is completely sterile without starting premisses, and you can't prove those premisses through deduction since it would lead to an infinite regress.
By repeatedly using Bayes theorem you can start by using arbitrary starting beliefs and assign arbitrary values to them and by repeating the process you will arrive closer and closer to reality.
The Greeks identified a problem, they did not prove the problem unsolvable.
It is a shame you turned out to be a brainlet, son.

>>13624874
Math only has to be self consistent to be useful. To allow greater creativity it is better to continue with the current system were pure math is free from the shackles of applied math. Many of the greatest ideas in math that are now applied to physical or theoretical problems.
For example Fourier transforms had nothing to do with data transfer when the Fourier came up with the idea and now they are vital to society.

Maybe you are one of the retards who are angry when the state sponsors science where there are unknown if anything will come of it, even though almost all great discoveries come from such science.