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>From the failed 1848 revolutions untill the 1860's Marx thought an industrial crisis would cause a revolution in France
The revolution and the crisis never occurred and Marx was subjected to ridicule by his peers.
>Marx thought the recession in 1857 would lead to a revolution
It never did.
>Engels thought a crisis would lead a revolution in England by 1886
A revolution never happened and the economy in Britian recovered by 1888.
>Marx thought Capitalism had the long run tendency to keep real wages at a subsistence level
In reality, real wages have gone up in the long run.
>Marx thought workers' plight would lead to Communism
In reality, modern day plight of workers has not led to a renewed interest in Communism.
>Marx thought Capitalism had the long-run tendency to decrease the rate of profit
In reality, the rate of profit has not decreased.

>>13621858
>real wages have gone up
this post is retarded
and socialism is back in public discourse

>>13621909
OH NONONONO

>>13621845
I had a dream about Noam Chomsky

>>13621916

>>13621845
>the vast majority of normies don't care that the pedo Epstein is dead, theyre just happy another sicko killed themselves. Can't see the bigger picture of what his death represents

honestly I'm so sick of the world

>>13621937
>he doesn't know that the Marxist reading of that graph is actually inconsistent with Marxism because it implies that exploitation and workers plight can and has been reduced.
>he also doesn't know that only reason wages have separated from productivity is because benefits are not included and rising healthcare costs are chewing into disposable income which can be combatted via universal healthcare

>>13621958
How is it that the people against Marxism always know so much more about Marxism than its adherents?

>>13621927
even your dreams are hackjobs about hacks

>>13621946
kys

>>13621958
what is rate of falling profit

>>13622042
It's not falling.

>>13621937
There's no reason to think productivity should rise with earnings because productivity can rise purely from technological advances which don't necessarily require harder or more skilled work that result higher earnings. If we suppose that a carpenter can make 10 dollars an hour building and selling chairs and then somebody comes along and invents an automated chair making machine, the earnings gained from selling individual chairs is going to go down even though productivity or the amount of chairs being made goes up.

Bump

>tasteless pedophilic bougeois elite
>literary weeb ecological communism
But weebs are pedophiles, impostor.

>>13622389
weebs who are into loli's are tasteless rookies. Ive seen 300 days of anime and want to fuck my mommy.

>>13622451
Real weebs are into both, plus futa

>>13621845
/pol/ is cancer enough for 4chan, /leftypol/ nigger should fuck off.

Nothing is ever going to happen, OP. The woman who began the whole Panama Papers thing was murdered and no one gave a shit. The Bourgeoisie (with a capital B, not the owner of the bakery down the street) are untouchable. They can do whatever they want and no amount of proselytising to the proles is going to make them stop it.
A fucking child molestation island. Fuck me.
>>13622451
Nonsense. I want to sexually submit to a stronger male now that I've watched a lot of anime

>>13622060
It rose with the massive destruction of capital throughout the great depression and the second world war, and it has been steadily falling since then. This is 100% consistent with Marx.

>>13621916
Another confirmation of Marx's predictions. Marx said that, in the circumstances of rapid accumulation of capital, real wages would go up in absolute terms and fall in relative terms (that is compared with the revenue of the capitalists).
>If capital grows rapidly, wages may rise, but the profit of capital rises disproportionately faster. The material position of the worker has improved, but at the cost of his social position. The social chasm that separates him from the capitalist has widened.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/ch08.htm

>>13621909
>socialism is back in public discourse
If by that you mean a bunch of re-branded liberals calling their ideas 'socialist' is back in the public discourse, then yes.

>>13622482
>Cancer cells are bad enough, we don’t need any red blood cells around here.

>>13623458
I think you mean white blood cells, and it's ironic because in the case of Leukemia, cancer cells result in an overproduction of white blood cells which in turn prevent the creation of red blood cells in the marrow, speeding up the death of the patient.

>>13623491
based and red blood cell pilled

>>13623491
>ironic

>>13623508
Well, the gist is, not only are you an idiot, in the corrected version of your analogy, you are still part of the problem.

You are the white blood cells killing the patient, please leave.

>>13623528
I’m a socialist, you ningnong

>>13621916
Marx actually says wages will go up though, just that it will decline relatively in regards to the rich and the gap between rich and poor is widening.

fren=comrade

>>13623554
So they did. Until the labor surplus of 1970s when stagflation hit and never went away. It doesn’t go away.

>>13623545
No, you're still not getting it. You positioned leftypol in the position of white blood cells (erroneously saying red blood cells because you're a pinhead) and /pol/ in the position of cancer cells. In this situation, just as the person you were replying to correctly stated, these are both things contributing towards the death of the patient. Please leave.

>>13621909
>>13623429
Yeah socialism has never been more dead. Labour movements are neutered or nonexistent, before they were unobfuscated and a force to be reckoned with. It's not possible to be seriously socialist today anyway because you will get raped by inane social 'issues' that don't allow you to be realistic or hold any power for real change. Your 'change', at best, is changing curriculums to make new gens more servile to liberals and weakminded. That is their design after all. In my country liberal policies and privatisation, in the explicitly negative sense (terrible economic management operating on an overall loss that also compromises healthy society and national sovereignty) are the norm.

>>13621909
Yeah and fascism is back in power, while a bunch of radlibs whine about trannies being underrepresented and calling it 'socialism'.

>>13623658
fascism? you mean white incels with glasses shooting innocent people?

>>13623677
No i mean far right parties being in power and reshaping public discourse by withering away social democracy, you fucktard

>>13623566
Well it's not specifically true that he says wages will rise, just that standard of living will.

Do you really think you have the upper body strength to overthrow the government?

>>13623381
>It rose with the massive destruction of capital throughout the great depression and the second world war, and it has been steadily falling since then.
Not even close. The reason for the abnormally high rate of profit after WWII is because massive government interventions to stop wages from rising, price inflation, and the huge demand for war material and other output during the war.
>Another confirmation of Marx's predictions. Marx said that, in the circumstances of rapid accumulation of capital, real wages would go up in absolute terms and fall in relative terms (that is compared with the revenue of the capitalists).
Well, no shit. When there's prosperity there are usually high profits and high wages.
>>13623554
Why was there a reversal in those trends in the post war era up until about the 1980's?

>>13623572
No I didn’t. I called them red blood cells, and I meant it. And it fits, as far as your post puts it. >>13623491
The whites (traditionally the imperialists) cause the cancer cells, pol/fascists

>>13623696
I donno what exactly Marx said. Some standard of living goes up but capitalism prefers a girthy ring of middle class men to protect them from the anti-capitalists, but always a poor and homeless class to keep wages mostly stagnant. Now, after the labor surplus, more than ever. Seems like they want most of that middle class dead. Hence the rise of socialism