/lit/ - Literature

>>13616571
>Was Ibsen just a SJW?
>Did Hamsun have autism?
You just want memes.

>>13616579
> ignoring my last question

Mostly wrote those two questions so people would start discussion. I know some have that viewpoint, but I don't personally agree.

Also whats wrong with memes. Scandinavian literature is rarely discussed here anyways.

>>13616583
>Also whats wrong with memes.
Let's just leave it.
You like Ibsen. Have you Brand? I think it's the best verse written in danish-norwegian. It's really sublime. Very good in Geoffrey Hills translation if needed

>>13616571
>Was Ibsen just a SJW?
he was more, he also hated the eternal *nglo (read terje vigen)
>Did Hamsun have autism?
clearly, but whomst among us
>Which authors should one read?
try laxness, he won a nobel

I think the reason denied any influence from Kierkeggard (which is very visible in the first act of Brand) was because resentment to Denmark in general because of the tense history between the two countries. Does anyone know if Brand ever said anything else about Kierkegaard?
Here is the part of Brand where he sounds like Sorens journals versified:

hans Fejl, hans Fortrin, gaar ej vidt;
han er en Brok i stort og smaat,
en Brok i ondt, en Brok i godt; –
men værst det er, – hver Brokens Del
slaar Brokens hele Rest ihjæl.

>>13616571
>Did Hamsun have autism?
I've only read Pan, but it described my love life almost perfectly. I doubt someone with genuine autism could write something which does such a great job at getting the intricacies of courtship in our time.

>>13616629
did you throw your waifu's shoe in the ocean?

I just finished reading Aniara by Harry Martinson the other day, a swedish science fiction poem that won the nobel in 1957. I had my doubts but it was actually really great, the setting, the progression of the story, the rhymes and sounds, and especially the ending were all amazing.

I tried reading it in original swedish as a norwegian mountain monkey and there were definitely parts that I had trouble understanding, but halfway through it got a lot easier and the swedish intonation came very naturally. I think I'll buy a copy to reread.

>>13616571
Hjalmar Söderberg is great and I'd recommend him to anyone. Doctor Glas really isn't discussed enough.

>>13616629
What about the courtship in our time do you think was described in that book?

>>13616641
Aniara is great, anon. I'm glad you tried your hand at it in swedish. You should check out some of the other writers of his generation of working class autodidacts, like Eyvind Johnson and Ivar Lo-Johansson. Oh, and Söderberg like in >>13616645

>1 in every 10 icelanders will write a book
Best literature from Iceland? I believe there's one guy who got himself a Nobel?

>>13616645
this, plus the serious game is comfy/funny af

>>13616640
Literally? Of course not. Did I do some petty shit to get revenge on/attention from my waifu, which I later regretted? Sure.

>>13616646
The struggle caused by outdated conceptions of manhood being confronted with female emancipation/the inability of (some) women to deal with their lack of a rigorous expected pattern of behaviour.

Required reading in highschool killed any interest I ever had in norwegian literature, I've only read a couple of Hamsun and Skram novels. Is there anything out there that is genuinely good and worth my time? I was considering giving Ibsen a go, but I have no idea where to start.

>>13616646
I'm not the anon you responded to but I would imagine her switching from being cute/inviting and forward, and then ignoring/snubbing him later on, first making him feel good and then small in turn and he is left frustrated not knowing how to behave or what to do.

>>13616655
>like Eyvind Johnson
Strändernas svall was so good, I have high hopes for his other works. He doesn’t seem to have been translated to english much, otherwise I would shill him more on /lit/.
I really need to get to Aniara, too.

>>13616682
maybe knausgård could be your gateway back into norwegian lit, he's actually good

>>13616611
I actually haven't read anything by Ibsen yet. I've seen Ghosts and Doll's house, and those were great. I have a book of some collected works by Ibsen, but do not remember if Brand is in there. Seen Brand recommended on here recently, so I'll eventually get to it.

>>13616791
I assume you mean starting with mein kampf. Is he comparable in any way to dosto?

>>13616571
>>13616661

Halldór Laxness is pretty much the modern Icelandic author and should therefore be the starting point.

>>13616682
I mean, Hamsun is genuinely good. As somebody else already mentioned, there is Knausgård. I'd recommend reading "Spring" first. It's a short novel, which will give you an idea about his style. If you like it you should read his work chronologically from there. His works are mostly reflections over masculinity, as well as the desire of wanting to be a genuinly good person (and father).

Solstad writes some neat novels as well. They're comfy, and also has some quite philosophical stuff going on in between the lines (which you can perfectly ignore and still enjoy the story, FYI).

Other authors I haven't read yet, but which I am quite excited to read soon: Bjorneboe, Ulven, Obstfelder, Sæterbakken

>>13616827
all norwegian writers are inspired by dosto, but no he's nothing like him

>>13616827
Knausgård is not anything like Dostoeyvsky. I'd go for Hamsun. "Mysterier" is a work that is clearly inspired by Dostoeyvesky.

>>13616641
Any tips for reading Swedish as a fellow Norwegian? Should I just go through with it untill it clicks?

>>13616645
Not the first time I've seen Doctor Glas recommended, should really get to read it soon. However, it's only available in english from what I've seen online, would love to read it in Swedish...

>>13616661
>1 in every 10 icelanders will write a book

Is this actually true?

It is said that Hamsun would travel around Norway and hold presentations where he critized Ibsen, Bjornson and others of his peers. Does anybody know what his critique went out on? I heard he even invited Ibsen to one of these events and he actually showed up.

>>13616859
>it's only available in english from what I've seen online
https://www.ark.no/boker/Hjalmar-Soderberg-Doktor-Glas-9788274887664

>>13616733
Strändernas svall is supposedly translated into English under the title Return to Ithaca. Probably not easy to get a hold of though, and even the Swedish original is not printed anymore.

Anyway, it's my favourite novel of all time

>>13616871
Cheers.

BUMP

>>13616641
Martinsons other stuff is great too, read nässlorna blomma + vägen ut and vägen till klockrike.

>>13616859
>Any tips for reading Swedish as a fellow Norwegian? Should I just go through with it untill it clicks?
Look up the weird swedish toddel letters ä ë ö, the words containing them can mean completely different things depending on how you pronounce them. Once I got the hang of those and purposefully tried to keep my inner monologue sounding as swedish as possible it went pretty smoothly and became sort of fun.

>would love to read it in Swedish
There's one on adlibris as well for 100kr, there's no picture to so I have no idea about print quality. Også tilgjengelig i masse utgaver på norsk/svensk hos deichman
https://deichman.no/utgivelse/pd29e05da70ac71f64ccdc4a493525ff4?searchQuery=hjalmar%20S%C3%B6derberg
Og du kan bestille den via oria hvis du har tilgnag til et skole/hogskole/utdanningsbibliotek.

>>13616867
>Bjornson
Trash, wealthy man with a funny name with all the right contacts, that pulled strings to get his stuff into undeservedly into the spotlight. Dated and not worth reading for anything other than the historical context.
I don't know what Hamsun had to say about him, probably nothing good.

>>13617217
Takk, skål.

>>13617232
> Trash, wealthy man with a funny name with all the right contacts, that pulled strings to get his stuff into undeservedly into the spotlight.

Do you have any source on this? I personally find his works uninteresting as well, but had no idea there were more to his way to fame.

>>13616933
Strändernas svall can be found on bokborsen.se, though likely read before. Not that it's expensive at all.

>>13616933
Nice to hear others have read it, there's this one thing I feel unsure about that I'd love to hear other thoughts on.
Do you think Penelope recognizes Odysseus when he appears as a beggar? I don't remember exactly how it went, but when he proposes the competition to decide who gets to marry her, she is hesitant and wants him to leave. She seems to have already submitted to the idea of marrying one of the suitors. Is this because she doesn't recognize him, has given up on waiting, and wants to move on with her life on her own terms?
Either that, or she does know it's him, but doesn't like what her husband has become. Is she actually trying to tell him to stay away and let her marry someone else? To keep the peace? Because she's scared of having to live with this war-torn man who's essentially a stranger? I know she has some of these thoughts later on, but thinking them and acting on them are very different.

And while I'm at it I might as well recommend the thread pic related. A guy tells the tale of his gay borderline pedo S&M relationship with his older riding teacher. Yeah I thought that sounded like garbage too, but the language and narrative style are actually really fucking good. There's a lot of stream of consciousness, jumping around in time, repetition, dream-like sequences and just general experimenting. Plus it's like 100 pages.

>>13617232
and he only got the nobel because he was pro-union

>>13617420
>A guy tells the tale of his gay borderline pedo S&M relationship with his older riding teacher.
That almost sounds like something from Nikanor Teratologen, a swedish writer responsible for "Assisted Living", original title being "Äldreomsorgen i Övre Kågedalen".

>>13616571
>Did Hamsun have autism?
no he was a genius. dont confuse the two

>>13617518
Haven't read him, but I don't think they're similar in tone as it's quite serious. Have you read Kågedalen? Any good?

>>13617595
I personally haven't read Kågedalen (As it is very hard to get a hold off afaik). However, it seems like an ubearably interesting book. It created some major controversies in Sweden when it came out.

Currently reading Kristin Lavransdotter, not in original language but an older Swedish translation that I found in my mothers bookshelf. It's a great book. I can't help constantly comparing it to Arn by Swedish author Jan Guillou, a series I find Kristin Lavransdotter vastly superior to.

>>13616641
Aniara is my favourite book of all time. It rekindled my love for literature at a time when I only read comics and the most generic fantasy.

quick question for the nordicfags: how come you haven't managed to produce anything as good as the icelandic sagas again in the last 700 years?

>>13617595
>Have you read Kågedalen? Any good?
It is one of those books where it's hard to tell if you're reading an absolute masterpiece or a legit turd. I'm leaning towards masterpiece, and most critics seem to do so too.

>>13617870
Because Christianity is a second rate religion when it comes to story telling potential.

>>13617870

> Carl Schmitt thread

>>13617870
quick question for the namefag: how come you haven't managed to produce a single good post in the last 700 threads?

>>13617870
>sagas
>good

>>13618039
Yeah, I thought the same.
The only sagas I've read are those from school, but I still found them crippling boring.

That guy in the OP is hot

>>13616571
What are some other good Scandinavian children's book writers or illustrators like Kay Nielsen, Sven Nordqvist, Astrid Lindgren, Tove Jansson, and Christian Anderson? Thank you.

>>13618388
Roald Dahl was basically Norwegian.

>>13618372
Based

>>13616571
Finns are superior to Scandinavians in every sense imaginable, so we'll pass

>>13618474
Has finland ever written anything good other than mummi and mämmi?

>>13618388
thorbjörn egner is canon in norway, not sure how easy it is to find translations of him tho

>>13618388
Ann-Cath Vestly

>>13616849
Sult is also very dosto-like.

>>13618474
big if true

>>13618474
All Finns worth mentioning are thoroughly mixed with their scandinavian brethren.

bump

what do you guys think, will fosse get the nobel this year?

>>13620303
They will also award the 2018 prize, now that they have cut down slightly on the internal bickering.

>>13620303
If Fosse is going to get the Noble price I have to get to reading all the books by him first

>>13617595
Kågedalen is great in my opinion, no idea how it translates though, it’s written in quite a distinct swedish dialect. The style is great, feverish prose, and the content is edgy as fuck, but not in a cringe way. 8/10 would read again

>>13620460
they're short, you could make it. start with trilogien

>>13616867
This is absolutely the case. Hamsun trashed his literary predecessors for writing boring, wooden literature, lacking in depth and sensitivity, accusing them of only writing characters which functioned as cardboard cutouts, representing ‘typical’ (if not archetypical) roles in society: the priest, the banker, the housewife, the editor etc. In contrast to this (practise what you preach i guess) Hamsun wrote about individuals, their inner life and subjective experiences, delving deep into the often illogical ways our mind works. Sult is a masterpiece in this regard IMO, and is one of the earliest and best uses of stream of consciousness in norwegian literature.

>>13616682
Tor Ulven (both his prose and his poetry), Jon Fosse, Obsfelder, Knausgård, Per Petterson (‘i refuse’ in particular), Olav Duun, Tarjei Vesaas, Sigrid Undset are all well worth your time.

>>13620482
Yeah I believe so as well. I already own 4 of his books and they're so thin! I've heard triologien is one of his best works as well, so will probably start with it.

>>13616571
Is this the /cuck/ general

>>13620847

Perhaps.

>>13620672
Is-Slottet by Tarjei Vesaas was pretty good lots of nice allegories and a cute loli scene, though I really would have preferred it if everyone had gone through the ice and drowned at the end
I've put Fuglane on my backlog for future reading.

Is Elling worth reading? I've only read one Ambjornsen book previously and it stunk.

>>13621256
What style is Vesaas? I've heard a lot about him, but it is rarely about his prose or style.

>>13621870
Simple short sentences, but it drew me right in pretty quickly and makes sense considering the main character.

>>13616571
>Scandinavian literature thead
lol

>>13622881
>>13620847


WHY DO YOU HATE SCANDINAVIANS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>13621943
Cool, I like somewhat of a minimalism to my literature. I'll check it out.

Dette er nordens beste bokmeistar og oppfann heilt på eiga hand den mest femnande skrivestandardi for landsmål, sei noko vent om han.

>>13623187
han har ei solid mustasj

>>13617595
>>13617783
>>13617876
>>13620478
>Äldreomsorgen
Legit one of my favourite books, i will sometimes just pick it up, open a random page and read a few pages and then put it away again, there's just so much stuff in there. It does take ages to read though and many people never get past the first few pages or can't stomach the over the top sexual stuff.
There's a current edition containing it and the sequel available new and there's a pdf floating around you can find with a quick google. Great stuff.
Can't really reccomend "hebberhålsapokryferna" though, bible paraphrase is just to dense to read and the good parts are to few and far in between.

>>13618236
You need to read many of them in order for them to become good desu, I've read them in their entirety and they sorta grow on you, especially since the same people will feature in many of the sagas so you develop a sense of whos who and whos related to who etc... It's pretty cool when you start seeing the same stories told from different perspectives and characters who are minor in one saga being the main character in another and shit like that. It's one of those reads that feel good to have done but can't really recommend it unless you have autism or a lot of time on your hands.


Currently reading "Röde Orm", was expecting it to be heavier and less of a classic adventure novel but its pretty cool i guess.

>>13623638
> It does take ages to read though

Didn't know Äldreomsorgen was a longer book. Seeing that it is written in some weird Swedish dialect as well, it's probably a safer bet to read the Stig Sæterbakken translation to Norwegian for me I'd guess.

> You need to read many of them in order for them to become good

Yeah this was the impression I got from reading Gunnlaug Ormstunge. Especially the part about the same characters reappearing in other sagas etc. It is kinda like the greek epics, right?

>>13616571
Are there any actual swede authors or are they all franks

>>13623702
August Strindberg, Teratologen, Söderberg, Lagerlöf

>>13623702
>or are they all franks
What do you even mean by that?

>>13623700
>Didn't know Äldreomsorgen was a longer book.
It's less than 200 pages but the dialect means it takes me 2 to 3 times as long to read as regular swedish, I have had to read some sentences aloud to myself in order to make sense of them, and for some I have to refer to the footnotes to get the meaning of some dialectal words or some really obscure reference.
Teratologen and Sæterbakken knew each other and afaik his translation has been praised and he was a good author so I'd probably go with that if I were you. But you can always try the swedish PDF first.

>>13623700
>It is kinda like the greek epics, right?
My experience with them are pretty much non-existent but there should be some similarities given that they were written for similar purposes.

>>13623715
Lots of swedes are ethnic french including the royalty

>>13623794
>Lots of swedes are ethnic french including the royalty
Royalty came from France 200 years ago, and I'm not sure "lots" are. Where are you getting that from?

>>13623794
[Citation needed]

>>13622881
Strange that this thread has had more discussion about actual literature than any other thread up right now. Despite my personal reservations Knausgaard IS one of the greatest contemporary authors on this Earth right now. Maybe despite the THEIR shortcomings Scandinavia will be the saviors of literature in our age? Norwegian renaissance when?

>>13623812
>>13623807
>>13623794
It's sort of correct, he is just wrong in saying that they are French.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloon_immigration_to_Sweden

>>13623836
Ah, the walloons. It's only quite common in the regions they migrated to, and even then it's only revealed through genealogical research as most surnames have been lost. It's actually kind of a meme to claim to be of walloon stock to explain darker complexions (as in; darker within the context of western/northern europeans) with a fully swedish family history.

>>13623852
>walloon stock to explain darker complexions (as in; darker within the context of western/northern europeans) with a fully swedish family history.
That's stupid. Scandinavia has always been diverse in terms of phenotype.

>>13623860
Yeah, it's always been quite silly. Found out a while back that I've walloon ancestry from my father's side (they're from one of the old metal-working regions), so I've now and then been tormenting my friends with an unjustified walloon nationalism.

>>13623827
> Norwegian renaissance when?

Could be in 10-20 years honestly. I am an 18 year old and am witnessing some strange things with my generation's relations to art and literature. It is not unusual to find a guy who is genuinely interested in, and has much knowledge about art and literature around. These guys don't come in astonishing degrees, but at least one in twenty. And they aren't "nerds" or outcasts either. Sometimes when a conversation barely touches upon the topic of literature, someone will suddenly show lots of knowledge, and even some interesting opinions and perspectives on certain authors and books, while being casual about it as well. There seems to be a heightened standard when it comes to appreciation of literature and art in the recent years among teenagers, and it is even very casual.

The result of this could be a wave of authors and/or artists with high quality products. Someone who is interested in literature these days can get all the knowledge they want for free, so as long as there is a passion, nothing will stop you from learning more and more.

All of these claims are very non-scientific, and it could be that this is just the case where I live, and nowhere else. After all, as Knausgård himself said, there is rarely more than one good author every 30 years or so.

>>13623860
Sweden definitely has two major races of white though

>>13616571
How do I get that fabulous haircut?

>>13624101
have your mom do it for you.

>>13624097
Every country in the world has at least 3 phenotypes in vast quantities.

what’s a comfy /lit/ bookstore in stockholm

>>13623961
Kvar er dette? Ja, eg berre spyr!

>>13624222
Sandefjord.

>>13624266
Kunne nær gisse at du mæla om eit av himmelrika på soraustlandet, det er ikkje i nærleiken av slik her i dei grå industrihelveta på vestlandet.

>>13624281
Janei nå vet jeg ikke akkurat hvor du er, men jeg kan forestille meg at slikt jeg forklarte det kanskje er tilfelle mer i Bergen og Stavanger. Hvor i Vestlandet er du fra?

Også hvis det går fint, hva er greia med skriftspråket ditt? Jeg skjonner at det er i retning nynorsk, og ville trodd du skrev kanskje slik du taler muntlig, men sier dere virkelig "gisse" og "mæla" der du er fra? Er ikke det i litt vell retning landsmål og gammelt?

Jeg prover forresten ikke være spydig, er veldig interessert i dialekt- og språkforskjeller.

>>13624293
Eg forsoker å rite hognorsk tilnærma Aasen-norma, er ikkje så god så du må orsake meg. Kjem i frå ein del lenger nord på vestlandet, ikkje mange byar eller folk som er opptekne av lesnad her.

>>13624308

> Eg forsoker å rite hognorsk tilnærma Aasen-norma
Kult! Var det jeg mistenkte!

Har selv slekt fra nord-vestlandet på begge sider. Besokte noen av byene ifjord sommer, var ikke mye liv eller ting å gjore der, nei. Husker ikke om jeg engang fant noen bokbutikker der, men av en eller annen grunn var det tusenvis av frisorbutikker.

>>13624319
>av en eller annen grunn var det tusenvis av frisorbutikker.
Det er vel skulda det at det er ei trygg form for tjenestetilbod, dei fleste må jo klyppa håret.

>NORSKE, SVERIGE, DANSER OG ICELANDERS HENTER ALLE.
>endda finere kommer ind
Vi færoere foler sig en smule ekskluderet

Thoughts on topelius

>>13624451
Er du nekarakonuanon?

>>13624451
Beklager. Trodde dere fortsatt var en del av det Danske Kongeriket.

>Finns are welcome as well as long as they don't act like samis
>act like samis

and who would want to act like a sami? we call them fjell niggers here in finland

t. bothnian with blue eyes and white hair

>>13624477
Doesn't samis have the same racial background as finns though?

>>13624720
No.

Is Nässlorna Blomma by Harry Martinson a good start for learning Swedish? I started learning English by translating some books for kids, I thought about picking this one up because it supposedly has a "child-like" language.

>>13624214
>tfw was going to recommend alfa antikvariat
>see that they’ve closed for good
What the fuck, this sucks. I guess Rönnels is next in line for comfyness.

>>13624720
Not really, unless you also think Mongols and Finns are the same thing.
Sami are black haired, Finns are majority blonde.

>>13624787
Probably not great, it uses a lot of pretty historical words and context iirc.

>>13623852
>It's actually kind of a meme to claim to be of walloon stock to explain darker complexions
kek, my best friend when growing up claimed to be a Walloon and he's literally among the whitest people I've ever known.

>>13624787
For learning Swedish you should probably read something more contemporary. The language in Nässlorna Blomma is not only somewhat archaic but there's also quite a lot of dialect (southern Småland, Blekinge) and I think that the combination could become quite confusing.

>>13625189
last time i was there was several years ago, i liked it
are there any places worth checking out in södermalm?

>>13623852
holy shit, thanks anon
my grandfather always said his side (dark hair and eyes) came from belgian steel workers, didnt realize this was a classified sort of history. either that or we’re part jew escaping pogroms

I literally just finished hunger before realizing there was this thread AMA I physically gagged at certain scenes (you guys know which ones), but in the same I got sick it was because this book was like opium, I literally had a flash back to an opium dream finishing this book Hamsun is fucking great I need to fucking finish Pan holy fucking jesus hamsun christ.

>>13623836
Pls take the rest too ;^)
Wat wals is vals is, sla dood!

>>13626230
which book to start with and which english translation

also, we should make a /scandylit/ chart

>>13625842
>>13623890
how join walloonian nationalism movement

>>13626275
it's called hunger by hamsun translation by Sverre Lyngstad

>>13626266
får får ikke får, får får lam xD

>>13626275
Please come to Louvain-la-Neuve to discuss.

>>13626285
What is this blabbering about sheep?

>>13626275
> /scandylit/ chart

Sure. Let's have atleast 10 contributions from each country to begin with, and take it from there. Suggest some essential works guys.

>>13626324
Nässlorna blomma
Vägen till klockrike
Doktor glas
Hemsöborna
Giftas 1-2

>>13616571
>Was Ibsen just a SJW?
He wasn't, he just saw the inevitable domestic conflicts as a good source for drama for his plays. He didn't advocate for any concrete kind of social change. He was more edgelord than ideologue.

>>13626324
strindberg the red room

>>13626324
I'd be dope to have one chart for each country, I think there's enough material for it. And there would be room for some slightly more obscure works and not just the mega classics. If any chart maker feels up for it.

Anyway, some swedish works
The Red Room, August Strindberg, or something else by him
The Dwarf, Pär Lagerkvist
Return to Ithaca, Eyvind Johnson
Doctor Glas, Hjalmar Söderberg
Kallocain, Karin Boye
The Long Ships, Frans G Bengtson
Aniara, Harry Martinson, or something else by him
City of My Dreams, Per Anders Fogelström
The Brothers Lionheart, Astrid Lindgren

>>13626827
How many books for each chart then? I am up to make them, just need suggestions.

>>13626324
>Norway
Peer Gynt and Brand by Henrik Ibsen
>Denmark
A Soul After Death by Johan Ludvig Heiberg

>>13626879
I dunno. Maybe I'm overestimating how many titles will be suggested desu, I guess we'll have to wait a few hours to see.

>>13626324

Norway:
Brand, Ibsen
Hunger, Knut Hamsun
Pan, Knut Hamsun
Growth of the Soil, Knut Hamsun
Bondestudentar, Arne Garborg
Is-slottet, Tarjei Vesaas
Jonas, Jens Bjorneboe
Bestialitetens historie, Jens Bjorneboe
Shyness and dignity, Dag Solstad
My Struggle, Karl Ove Knausgård

I'll admit that I haven't read all of these books yet, but I am familiar enough with Norwegian literature to know what is the quintessentials of our literature.

>>13627033
>Bondestudentar, Arne Garborg
"Fred" eller "Den Burtkomne Faderen"*
>Is-slottet, Tarjei Vesaas
"Det store spelet"*

>>13627046
Ålreit, var litt usikker på hvilke verk jeg skulle ta fra disse forfatterne, takk. Tror du listen gir et godt overblikk over norsk literatur sånn ellers?

>>13627055
Ein kan tenkje seg at det ikkje er naudsynt med to tidlege verk av Hamsun. Wergeland burde og vere inkludert på noko vis.

>>13627071
Ja jeg ser poenget ditt ang. Hamsun. Sult er kanskje ikke så typisk norsk selvom det er et veldig anerkjent verk.

There was appearantly made a documentary made on Stig Sæterbakken while he made Sauermygg. It was released in 2013 or something and lasts about an hour. Does anybody know where I can find it?

>>13626324
Spilt the chart into prose, poetry and plays. Maybe also different time periods. If you’re gonna do this make a seperate thread for it.

>>13626324
DK Prose

I think these are definitely the best danish books:
Andersens Tales
Kierkegaard Either/Or, and Fear and Trembling, Sickness Unto Death (he translates very well into english, if anyone is interested)
Karen Blixens Tales

Poetry. We dont have a lot of great poets imo. I think the first two should definitely be on the list:
Johannes Evald Poems
Inger Christensen "Det" or Alphabet.
Per Hojholt
Brorson

>>13626914
Have you read A Soul after death. What did you think?

bump

>>13627715
What I could understand of it it was quite funny and interesting as a critique of how empty and materialistic Danish society had gotten, but I didn't understand all of it. I couldn't find an English version anywhere so I took the Danish version and ran it through Google Translate bit by bit.

>>13626827
Lindgren doesn't deserve it tbqh

>>13627033
>Bestialitetens historie, Jens Bjorneboe
I don't think I have ever read something so trite, the first book put me off norwegian lit for a long time.

>>13626324

Attempt at a Denmark chart:

Enlightenment:
Holberg: Jeppe på Bjerget (Jeppe on the Mountain)

Romanticism:
Jens Baggesen: Labyrinten (The Labyrinth)
Schack Staffeldt: Collected Poems
Emil Aarestrup: Collected Poems
HC Andersen: collected fairy-tales

Realism/Naturalism:
Henrik Pontoppidan: De dodes rige (Kingdom of the Dead)
JP Jacobsen: Niels Lyhne
Herman Bang: Stuk (Stucco)

Neoromanticism:
Johs. V. Jensen: Kongens fald (King’s Fall)
Karen Blixen: Et Vintereventyr (A Winter’s Tale)

Symbolism:
Johs. Jorgensen: Collected Poems
Per Lange: Collected Poems
Thorkild Bjornvig: Collected Poems

Christian existentialism:
Soren Kierkegaard: Collected works
Martin A. Hansen: Logneren (The Liar)

Expressionism/Surrealism:
Tom Kristensen: Hærværk (Havoc)
Gustaf Munch Petersen: Collected Poems

Pseudo-Beat Generation:
Dan Turell: everything is pretty great except for his shitty 13 volumes of detective novels

Modernism:
Villy Sorensen: Sære historier (Strange Stories)
Klaus Rifbjerg: Kronisk uskyld (Chronic Innocence)
HC Branner: Legetoj (Toys)

Modernist Poetry:
Per Hojholt: Collected Poems
Inger Christensen: Collected Poems
Michael Strunge: Collected Poems
Soren Ulrik Thomsen: Collected Poems

90’s and early 21st:
Sonnergaard: one of his short story collections
Naja Marie Aidt: one of her short story collections
Das Beckwerk
Theis Orntoft: SOLAR

>>13628524
If I should read one of these as a mountain nigger from across the whale-road, what do I pick? I've already made a note of A Soul After Death by Johan Ludvig Heiberg, not sure if this is a good spot to dive into. Preferably something short.

>>13627706
Hvad snakker du om mand, danmark har poetry for days.

>>13628540
Klovn, greatest piece of poetry ever to come from the Danish shores.

>>13628354
Lindgren was absolutely brilliant as a children's writer, to be fair. But yeah, I wouldn't put her on a chart for 'adult' literature alongside authors like Söderberg or Martinsson; it's not where she belongs.

>>13628538

Top 3 novels:
1. Kongens fald
2. Loegneren
3. Hærværk

All IMO though.

>>13628524
you could just use this i guess: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dansk_litteraturs_kanon

>>13628715
>https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dansk_litteraturs_kanon

Litteraturkanonen er ok, men rimelig ufærdig. Der mangler ret mange gode og vigtige navne. Mest et testamente til, hvor vilkårlige kanonlister tit ender med at fremstå.

The Disciple asked: What is a misogynist? The Master replied: I do not know; but it is used by cowards as a term of abuse for those who say what everybody thinks.
Cowards are the men who cannot approach a woman without going out of their minds and becoming treacherous.
They buy the woman's favour by serving their friends' heads on a silver platter;
and they absorb so much femininity that they see with her eyes and feel with her feelings.
-August Strindberg

>>13628883
>strindsperg

>>13628883
Pretty good

norwegian here. barely read any. I liked Sult (hunger) a lot though

Currently reading Inferno (August Strindberg)
its pretty damn great so far

>>13629006
you barely read at all, or just barely read scandylit?

>>13617870
Ok now this is epic. Carl Schmitt thread when though?

>>13627381
Do this but I don't think another thread is needed.

>>13628883
Well, Strindberg's whole work stem from his inability to comprehend and socialize with women. Which is a good thing.

My ancestors are smiling at me imperial. Can you say the same?

>>13628540
Er åben for forslag. Læser V Jensens digte for tiden. De er meget afskyelige.

>>13629634
barely read scandylit

>>13628524
Arent most of these a bit boring? I mean, do we really want nondanish speakers to read Jeppe på Bjerget or Baggesen? The poems I've read by Jorgensen were really dissapointing. As someone else pointed out, why are you just slavishly following the canon by the cultureministry (until for the last 50 years). A chart is for reccomendations, it's not for people interested in what image of their own culture academic danes want to create.
>>13628347
I'm impressed. Really. You sound very dedicated.

>>13631190
Given that there’s truth to your statement (I would agree on some and disagree on alot, I think quite a lot of these are great), if I were to recommend some stuff personally, it would mostly be from the romantic and neoromantic/symbolist bunch. Disagree about Jorgensen, he is one of the goats IMO. Maybe I’m just a reaktionært roevhul. What would you recommend?

>>13631170
Staffeldt, Bjornvig, Sarvig, Hojholt, Thomsen. Inger. Det er alt sammen virkelig godt.

>>13624720

Nope. It's like comparing Finns to Hungarians (similar languages, completely different peoples)

>>13631235

I would reccomend these and only these.>>13627706 Granted I havent read alot in the modersmål (Bang and Pontoppidan, Heiberg and Stafeldt for instance). I found a translation Jorgensen did on a poem by Stefan Georg. It was very good. What poems or collections by Jorgensen do you like?

Vi kom från Jorden, Doris land,
klenoden i vårt solsystem,
det enda klot där Livet fått
ett land av mjölk och honung.
Beskriv de landskap som där fanns,
de dagar som där grydde.
Beskriv den människa som i glans
sitt släktes likdräkt sydde
tills Gud och Satan hand i hand
i ett förstört, förgiftat land
kring berg och backar flydde
för människan: askans konung.

>>13631190
>Jeppe på Bjerget
As a norwegian watching this in movie format is one of the few things I remember from school.

>>13631335
You should look into Martin A. Hansen’s works if you like Kierkegaard and Blixen.

‘Bekendelse’ is a good Jorgensen collection. One of my fav poems of his is ‘Faust til Foråret’ from his very first collection. It’s a very musical poem that rivals the french in expression of sheer spleen. There’s a reading of it at about 3:30 on this: http://den2radio.dk/udsendelser/johannes-jrgensen-1/

>>13631335
Do you know if Jorgensen did more translations of Stefan George? That one anthology of George in danish from 2009 is not very good quality, strips all soul and musicality from the german verse. Wish there were translations of George available of equal quality to something like what Bjornvig did with his Rilke translations.

Let the Right One In should be on the swedish chart, fight me.

>>13631491
I recently watch Grensen based on another of his books, it was quite an experience. Really drew a lot of parallels to some of the most fucked up fetishistic stuff you'll find on sadpanda. The twist was pretty good.

>>13631491
I agree. Most chart ideas are very limited when it comes to time period.

Where can I find epubs in Swedish? There's barely anything on libgen.

>>13631710
https://litteraturbanken.se/

is Danish the most /lit/ Scandinavian language?

I imagine Norwegian basically has no literature due to being a young official language, and I'm not sure I've ever heard of a Swedish author

>>13631776
Why are you proud of your ignorance, anon?

>>13631787
Was going to post this, you beat me to it.

>>13631787
I'm not proud if it, it simply is

>>13631776

> I imagine Norwegian basically has no literature due to being a young official language

You do understand that Norwegian literature has to do with the literature out of Norwegian culture, and not the language, right?

>>13631841
>>13631841
right, but I'm specifically asking which of the languages is the more literary, nothing to do with which books are culturally Norwegian.

>>13631860
They're all perfectly literary languages, and very similar. Why would you even ask for a ranking?

>>13631457
I think only made the one translation. Which is magical. You can find it on Ereolen under Jorgensen. One of the collections of his loose writings.
>>13631448
Tak!
>>13631776
I think sweden is the most learned nation, has the most snobbish culture (in a good way). In sweden the poets used to write villanelles. No major danish poet did that (as far as I know). I think that says alot about the difference. I think had two of the three great scandinavian authors: Kierkegaard and Andersen. Norway has Ibsen. The two languages are very close and I might prefer those three over Strindberg and Ryberg mainly because my swedish is bad. Still, I think denmark has the two (of the three) best authors even though I also think it has the most bad ones.

>>13631860
Written Danish and Norwegian is basically the same language, the main difference is the pronounciation. As a Norwegian, I find older dano-norwegian (Riksmål) writing quite beautiful.

Considering you're talking mainly about the literary, you must not forget the fact that we have multiple writing languages in Norwegian, Bokmål, Riksmål, Nynorsk, Landsmål, Hognorsk. Bokmål is simply the successor of riksmål, being more or less just a modern version of it. It is the most used writing language in Norway, and is quite similar to the dialects around Oslo and south-east Norway. Nynorsk, landsmål, and hognorsk is based mainly on dialects from the west-coast of Norway. Landsmål and hognorsk is pretty much outdated like Riksmål, but they - along with nynorsk (successor of låndsmål) - are way more poetic.

Written Swedish is also pretty poetic, imo. It is also very beautiful and melodic to me. As a Norwegian, I find Swedish to be the best scandinavian literary language in a "classical" sense, if you get what I mean.

However, Bokmål works really well with darker themed literature, and I find that you can express more with less when it comes to Bokmål; it is more minimalistic.

>>13631776
Danish is probably the worst if you don't count Iceland

>>13631907
cont.
I think Icelands early literature is the proper miracle in nordic literature Even Andersens strange genius isn't really as impressive and strange.

Ibsens verse is the best in the dano-norwegien I think. Even though he is norwegian, the language he wrote in was so close to danish, that he (even though this would have embittered him) ended up enriching danish literature even further. I think that making it a contest between the three nations is really unsophisticated. Literary battles take place within one language. The literary influence between denmark and swden has been (when it has been there at all) benign. I am so glad of living in a culture that at least sometimes has learned from the swedish aristocratic learned way with literature.

>>13631928
Thanks for the introduction. I get you mean by classical. Dont you find it interesting though that the swedes, though they have the most gorgeous language, do not have the best authors?
Can you reccomend some poetry in nynorsk, landsmål, hojnorsk, riksmål?

>>13632008

> though they have the most gorgeous language, do not have the best authors?

I really haven't read much by the swedes. I have read a lot of Swedish from being in Sweden and encountering here and there in school, but I have minimal experience with the literary world of Sweden. Based on that, you should take my opinions with a grain of salt.

> Can you reccomend some poetry in nynorsk, landsmål, hojnorsk, riksmål?

For landsmål/hognorsk (The lines between these are pretty blurred, FYI) I can recommend Haugtussa. I haven't read it myself, but my sister who isn't even that interested in literature found it beautiful. Arne Garborg in general is a great nynorsk/landsmål/hognorsk writer. AFAIK, he took the rules Ivar Aasen (the creator of all three languages) very religiously.

I don't have much poetry in riksmål, but Sigbjorn Obstfelder is a safe bet. He was a pioneer in literary modernity, and quite a special character. Anything by him will do.

>>13616571
>Was Ibsen just a SJW?
>Did Hamsun have autism?
Why are you so obsessed with reductionism?

>>13616831
I've been wanting to read Egil's saga for a long time now, I should probably just do it

>>13632121
It's my favourite saga. Find Egils family tree beforehand or draw one out yourself as you go along.

>>13632202
>draw one out yourself as you go along.
I love doing this with books and stories that justify it. Gives you that scholarly feel.

>>13632231
Then you will like that saga. It has many more names than any familynovel I've read.

>>13632104
To get attention.
Thanks.

bump

Vilhelm Ekelund is about as patrician as it gets when it comes to Swedish literature; if you're gonna read one Swede, make it Ekelund (mainly for his aphorisms, though his poetry is also great). Per Engdahl the corporatist ideologue is someone whom I think every Swede should read, his autobiography contains many solid insghts into the 20th Century (some of his works can be found here (http://www.nysvenskarna.se/enter.php?txt).). I see no mention of Horace Engdahl in this thread, pity. Apart from his critical works Horace has written aphorisms which have been translated into several languages. He has also been receiving a lot of flak from feminists and their ilk for his role in the Swedish Academy and for his friendship with ultimate Chad Arnaud. Literary critic/historian Peter Luthersson deserves to be read more, as far as I know he's the only one of our critics to be openly conservative. His two books on modernism are both great and he has a good series on literature at Axess TV with many free episodes available (one on Houellebecq for instance) https://www.axess.se/tv/program.aspx?id=3476

>>13634517
Thanks.

>>13619459
A Fennoswede wrote that.

>>13636066
No problem. I'll bump this thread with a lil recommendation which might be of interest to someone. Tidningen Kulturen has a slew of essays/articles on literature in their online archive (written by people like Nikanor Teratologen, Lars Holger Holm, Mohamed Omar etc) https://tidningenkulturen.se/
I'll drop some more underappreciated names later today unless the thread is archived by then

What is the best Norwegian translation of Homer?

I am getting done with the Iliad right now, the P. Ostbye translation. I've been told it isn't the best, and was wondering what you guys could recommend.

I know I could always read it in Swedish as well, as Lagerlöf has a fantastic job with it afaik.

>>13637256
yeah please make the next one so we can get an actual chart

>>13634517
>ultimate Chad Arnaud
shiggy diggy

I would recommend Pontoppidan's short stories. Anyone that likes Mann's The Magic Mountain should definitely read The Old Adam.

Why has nobody mentioned Bellman, the swedish Shakespeare?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHhGdbxJ3cw&list=RDgHhGdbxJ3cw&start_radio=1

Melding til alle nordmenn! Vennligst les Kilden av Gabriel Scott!

>>13637998
My man, my favourite Bellman interpreter is probably Fred Åkerström.

>>13637436
GARBORG
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>>13637687
Are you making a proper chart with covers and stuff? If so I'll try to organize my picks with titles and reading lists. For Swedish book covers you could browse for the titles on Bökbörsen and snag the pics from there, idk about stuff in Danish/Norvegian/etc, maybe they have similar sites for used books one could utilise

>>13638022
Cajsa, du dör! Himmel, hon andas;
döden ger liv, och kärlek bortblandas.

RÖDE ORM


RÖDE ORM

>>13638395
I haven't read Röde Orm, knowing fully well that I probably should. Frans G. Bengtsson was damn solid.

>>13637687
>>13636066
>>13637256
Aight here's some stuff I threw together quickly, copied over from notepad so might look weird. Haven't monitored the thread that closely so might be posting a couple duplicates, figured the big league names had already been mentioned so tried to pick out some lesser known stuff. As my selection would seem to indicate it is not often that I read female writers.

NOVELISTS:
-Gösta Oswald (modernist, died young, big Joyce fan, "Rondo" his best novel)
-Sture Dahlström (Sweden's foremost beat writer, "Den Store Blondino" considered one of his best)
-Erik Thure Lund (Myrbråtenfortellingene)
-Willy Kyrklund ( "Prosa" = all(I think) of his novels collected in one big volume)
-Vilhelm Ekelund, (All his poetry, his aphorism collections to be read chronologically. Since he uses a lot of Greek terms "Grekiska termer hos Vilhelm Ekelund" by Nils Gösta Valdén is a must for any new reader of Ekelund)
-Magnus Dahlström (only read a couple of his, not sure which is his best but I can vouch for the quality of his writings)
-Horace Engdahl (his aphorisms mainly, idk what translations are available, nothing in English afaik)
-Stig Larsson (of his novels I rate "Nyår the highest, he's written quite a few plays/screenplays as well)
-Selma Lagerlöf (token female)
DRAMATISTS:
-Lars Noren (some of his plays have been filmed for TV and are obligatory viewing)
-Jon Fosse (also novelist/poet, Beckettian)
POETS:
-Karin Boye
-Edith Södergran (arguably the best poet of the lot)
-Bertil Malmberg (criminally underrated poet, my top pick is his Spengler-influenced poetry collection "Dikter Vid Gränsen, there was a biography on him published this year)
-Gunnar Ekelöf
-Verner von Heidenstam
-Stagnelius
-Esaias Tegnér
-Gustaf Fröding
MISC(not for fiction charts I suppose):
-Per Engdahl (corporatist, his autobiography "Fribrytare i folkhemmet" is a good read)
-Tage Lindbom (a social democrat turned antimodern mystic)
-Swedenborg (mystic, Kant was reportedly fascinated by him and his supposed psychic abilites)

>>13638380
Bofinken nyss, nyss, Cajsa Lisa,
slumrande slöt sin kvittrande visa.
Solen nyss slocknat
och fästet har tjocknat,
enslighetens tystnad rår;
jag till Fröjas dyrkan går.
Regnet nedöst i bullrande låga,
välver i skyn sin brandgula båga,
som randas lugnt och skönt
av purpur, guld och grönt,
sen jorden Jofurs åska rönt.

>>13638523
Erik Thure Lund er norsk?

>>13638671
Oh yeah I was thinking for Scandi chart, Jon Fosse is Norwegian as well by the way. Don't know that much about non-Swedish Nordic lit so only included a couple. Willy Kyrklund and Edith Södergran are Finnish but they wrote in Swedish

>>13616831
>Prose Edda before the Poetic Edda

Finns det någon poäng med att skriva på sitt lands språk istället för på engelska i 2000-talet? Det känns som om du får mer beröm, mer pengar och mer läsare om du skriver på engelska istället
Vill såklart skriva på svenska ändå, men känns som om du vill tas seriöst som författare är det bättre att skriva på engelska

>>13639867
säkert enklare att bli publicerad i sverige på svenska, än att konkurrera med resten av världen

Grandpa from Assisted Living was the prototypical /pol/ memer

"— You deny the gassing of over 600 million Jews!? Johan Westermark screamed, grabbing Grandpa’s lacefrill and shaking him like a prostheticcock.
— Hearthisyouyouyou sweet thing, Grandpa mocked, those Jews I skinned in the war were infamous for setting themselves on fire with their own farts and that’s the only gassing I ever heard of, I swear by all that’s dear and holy."

>>13639867

Jeg har lurt på det samme egentlig. Likevel tror jeg at dersom man velger å skrive på engelsk, vil man ha så stor konkurranse at du like så godt aldri blir kjent. Ihvertfall i Norge er det ikke så vanskelig å bli en forfatter som kan tjene litt på bokene sine, men dersom man skal delta i den internasjonale forfatterkonkurransen ved forste bok tror jeg det blir hardt

Though a tough read, I really liked "Journey to the world under ground" by Ludvig Holberg, gonna read it again someday.

>>13639867
Skriver du på engelska är du bög och har låtit jänkare kolonisera din hjärna

>>13641158
Detta, allafall om man bor och är uppvuxen i ett icke-engelsktalande land. Man kan lika gärna bli transa om man nu är så kändiskåt.

>>13638523
Nice list, I haven't heard of some of these before.

>>13616661
I’d recommend Independent People by Halldór Laxness to start with.
>>13616859
We are only 300.000 so 1\10 is only 30.000 which isn´t suprising considering our country has existed for 1.200 years.

>>13616571
sjw is a mock term and is invalid when used in a context of time when there were cases of extreme "injustice" that needed to be corrected. the current "injustice" is just a deformed spawn of self-inflicted group polarities

>>13643238
Ibsen wrote femdom fantasy fiction that I was forced to read with my gf in high school. It was disgusting, and, being young, it confused me as well as her, and we broke up. Makes me want to gas the Norwegians, honestly.

>>13643992
ibsen is goat u pleb cuck

>>13616831
Mein nigga. My dad is from Iceland (unfortunately we live in burger land now) and he recommended me Independent People and it's quite good I must say

>>13643992
Come home, scandiman

>>13644238
shit, I meant to tag >>13644144