/lit/ - Literature

>>13606999
Women like better men than they are. Everybody should submit to their superiors.

>>13607003
No that’s dumb

Because it's specifically marketed to bored middle-aged housewives. They fantasize about being taken on dates by a rich powerful alpha and after dinner getting their asses whipped because their sex lives are boring or non-existent.

>>13607011
Why don't they just ask their husbands to do that with them?

>>13606999
Modern men are pussies who don’t amount to much. Women crave dominance and status.

>>13606999
Women are absolute trash and are worthless human beings. Our greatest mistake has been to consider them as belonging to the same species of human beings. women are absolute trash.

>>13607048
Because they're afraid of rape accusations.

>>13607048
Because these women don't actually love their husbands, they had to settle with beta providers who are too busy at their jobs.

Just about every woman is a cumbrain

>>13607048
>communicating within the relationship
Anon that isn't how it works. Just keep it all in, all will be fine eventually. Time heals all wounds.

>>13607119
Based and Otto Weiningerpilled

>>13607048
Women think men are mindreaders and should just "know" these things

>>13606999
Because he's a handsome high status gentleman. "Omg imaging fucking a guy like that. I'd do literally everything he told me to and it'd be super hot." What's not to get?

>>13607119
It’s actually very rare to find women interested in sex.

Here I have a woman interested in sucking my cock all day. Instead of doing errands she is sucking cock! :3

>>13607048
Because their husbands aren't handsome billionaire CEOs who play classical piano. It's all about who's doing the whiping, that's what makes it errotic.

>>13607108
I bet you charm a lot of women with this rhetoric

>>13606999
>why do men love harem stories?
>why do women love a story about having a perfect rich boy lust after them and provide them with infinite wealth?

>>13607177
Women like the latter but not the former.

>>13607133
this

>>13607108
Check out men's porn viewing habits before you make such a statement. Pot and kettle situation is near permanent due to sexual dimorphism.
The only instances are in the extreme ends of men vs women cases, not really somewhere where most posters on this board fall.
Rather, if we are the 130+ IQ board, then men would outnumber women, making the dating market really, really 'unfair' for us. In terms of wanting an equal or near, partner. This may end up forming a grudge unless you are willing to compete for the rare women. I for one assume that most high IQ men give up upon learning the statistic, and I'll go where my heart pushes me.

>>13607108
Elliot ?

>>13606999

Women do not love.

>>13607200
I think there is an important difference between male and female oriented pornography. Pornography for males cater to a greater diversity of tastes. Sure, most female porn actress have the old bimbo look, but you also have porn featuring BBW, nerdy women, MILFs, all kind of fetishs, from extreme male domination to extreme male submission, it is as varied as male tastes can be.

Female oriented pornography is basically all the same. A powerful and violent guy ensnares a girls and rapes her until she likes it. And the guy is always a rich CEO, or an Arab sheikh, or a bandit of some kind, modern or historical. There is no variety in female tastes, they literally all want the same thing. There is no female porn where the women is more assertive than the man, who is docile, shy and introverted. There are only "Very Virile Vikings", never "Actual Loving Accountants".

Realizing this has been very "redpilling" for me, as it means that I will literally never find a woman who desires me. Even if I manage to leverage my wealth and stability to arrange a transactional relationship with some gold-digger, she will always pine for a fling with a drug lord who treats her like shit. I won't even try to have relationships now that I know I will never find love.

>>13607163
what do you mean
they like sucking cock but not sex?

>>13607245
fuck man, that was really hard to read
can you try changing or something

>>13607244
A woman can only love herself and her children, but never her partner.

>>13607311
what about women who make sacrifices to be with men because of isane love towards them

>>13607311
I have serious doubt it women can love even their children, nowadays. I wonder how much of this "love" are merely imposed cultural superstructures. Now that we see these superstructures removed, we see women killing and poisoning their own children for status with no moral qualms about it. And of course, women everywhere have always submitted their children to abusive stepfathers for as long as they felt sexual attraction towards them.

>>13607245
Women are for sex and having children, not companionship, anon. You only desire a deep emotional connection with women instead of with your same-sex friends ( and I don't mean faggotry, mind you ) because that's what every generation since your grandparents has been bombarded with.

A woman would sooner forgive you for killing a man than for showing weakness.

>>13607324
*bombarded with by the media.

>>13607324
posts like this are killing me
how the fuck do i unbluepill myself though
reading red pills like this just makes me emotional

>>13607320
I'm not sure myself, either. My mother let me and my brother be abused by our father for the sake of her comfort. Would a mother who truly loves her children let that happen?

>>13607334
All change is painful, anon, but it's in your best interest.

>>13606999
capitalism

>>13607438
I'm sure women in the Soviet Union also dreamt of being buttfucked by NKVD torturers instead of bland Lada factory workers.

>>13606999
>>13607108
>>13607109
>>13607119
so many incels in this thread, seriously just be yourself and have sex

>>13607334
Hang out with Tinder thots until the grip of insanity grabs you by the balls. Your only option will be to hate women. You can no longer believe in their innocence. Either they leave you because they want Chad or throw themselves at you where you are only an object of their desire, and the harlot has done this to hundreds of other guys. Then when you finally break down in front of one shout "I can't... I can't... They won't let me be good!"

>>13607297
Actually many more dislike sucking cock.

Making me even more lucky :3

I never saw my step mother read at ALL before this book came out. Then she just read it straight up in front of everyone, probably getting wet while everyone is around her. Stupid cunt. It's LITERALLY based on a Twilight fan fiction. Also, pic related is an example of why women love it.

>>13607731
Yeah my mom went to see the movie with her friends. All of them middle age. Not just a housewife, they all also work but pretty much the type of people that went to see that movie. My mom NEVER EVER went to see a movie in the last 3 decades except for this shit. God I just dislike the way life is. I don't blame women wanting the best of the best when they look for a man. But I sure am jealous I'm not the best of the best and I want to kill myself.

>>13606999
its porn for females

>>13606999
Because It's litteraly the course of nature and all they wish for.

>>13607200
There is no chance this is a high iq board compared to some other boards. Discussion here is about the same level as /v/, or maybe worse because people usually just refuse to answer to a post if they disagree with it or argue somethibg like "what does 'x' really mean?" if they are losing an argument.

>>13607683
ffs i don't want this
i literally want love and romance
halp

>>13607748
>yeah my mom went to see the movie with her friends. All of them middle age. Not just a housewife, they all also work but pretty much the type of people that went to see that movie. My mom NEVER EVER went to see a movie in the last 3 decades except for this shit. God I just dislike the way life is. I don't blame women wanting the best of the best when they look for a man. But I sure am jealous I'm not the best of the best and I want to kill myself.

>>13607836
The closest you can get to love and romance in the year of our lord of 2019 is by living a 'queer polyamorous lifestyle' where she(male) fucks a lot more than you do, but more time to play vidyames

the absolute state of lit in the current year of our lord

>>13607850
Lmao I didn't meant it like that but now that you mention it I do have a mom son fetish but I don't feel like that towards MY mom.

>>13606999
for the same reason why they love the book a handmaid's tale by margaret atwood, and the tv adaptation, and this is why in burgerland women dress like the fictional sex slaves in pro abortion protests. Inside every feminist there is a submissive slut calling out for brutal male domination. Under Liberal society woman is free to fuck around, she can get everything except the only thing she truly wants

>R.A.P.E.
>(Revolt Against Penis Envy)
>Contributing Toward an Understanding of Male/Female Harmony

Woman, in her bitterness, blamed man for the position in which she
found herself. This was surely his doing. He had cruelly cheated her
out of all that was rightfully hers. The cad! Allowing her emotions to
run wild (as usual), woman blamed man for all the world’s ills,
attacking male values at every opportunity. Ironically, it was the
collapse and disappearance of male values which permitted woman’s rise
to begin with. The “domination” which she so fervently attacked had,
for all intents and purposes, long since vanished from public life.
The positive, aggressive male values behind every step of upward
evolution have been superseded by a soft and passive female ethic.

What can be done to subdue the sickly sway of feminine values? How can
we silence the interminable whining of feminism’s sob sisters? In a
nutshell: Woman must be put back in her place. Man’s great error was
to put woman on a pedestal, when she is far more at ease on her knees-
where she belongs. The only way to subdue feminine values is by
subduing the female herself. Woman must be reacquainted with truth and
force. She must be reacquainted with truth through force.

Since woman is above all an emotional creature, appeals to her
“intellect” are worthless. She must be shown in no uncertain terms the
absolute nature of the master/slave relationship endemic to the sexes.
What plainer way to demonstrate this relationship than the simple act
of rape? This primary act reveals beyond a reasonable doubt certain
irrefutable verities: Man is taller, woman is smaller. Man is strong,
woman is weak. Man is master, woman is not.

Life truly is suffering as a submissive man to be honest, the only women who pretend to enjoy it are actually just whores who you have to pay. Last time I was dating a girl she pushed and prodded me for months to reveal my sexual fantasy. I hinted that I was into BDSM and she got really excited, but then I finally admitted that I was into femdom and her interest waned admittedly. Never tried it in the bedroom, and she dumped me for an ultra-macho soldier soon after. Sad!

At least homos have a small community of partners, even if they're ostracised by most of society. Submissive men only have their hands and the internet.

>>13607893
your mom is seen as the standard of what women want, you have a mom fetish. I'm curious, how was your father like? was he a masculine alpha male?

>>13607324
I understand that, it's just that I don't see the point in changing my entire personality and behavior and becoming someone I despise just to end up with a woman who will never love me anyways, just the performance I make, and will dump me the millisecond I show weakness.

Is it worth it? If the fantasy of a loving relationship is just that, a fantasy, it is still better than the cold logic of real relationships. If that means dying alone, so be it. I would die alone either way because I wouldn't be able to maintain the façade of being an aggressive and dominant alpha male for long enough to not end a marriage in divorce.

Pic related is everything I ever wanted.

>>13607946
I did see him as that for a big part of my life.

>>13607955
and why did your opinion of him change?

>>13607965
I'm not a kid anymore and I see things more realistically I guess. From what I gather he's acting alpha because he's insecure and full of complexes. As a kid I couldn't see that.
Are you my therapist anon?

>>13607324
This idea that modern advertising companies created the childish fantasy of love is just low IQ nonsense desu. Men and women have been falling in love since time immemorial, our entire folklore is full of it.

>>13607245
t. pornsick cumbrain

>>13607324
>>13608027
The pill and abortion killed the love story

>>13608109
Is this what modern romance looks like?

>Connor and I kept our relationship on the down-low due to the polyamorous nature of it. I was engaged to another man while dating Connor, and all parties involved knew about the situation. Everything was consensual, even if it was a bit of an adjustment. Connor didn’t know that when I first asked him out for coffee, though. He didn’t drink coffee, so we went out for drinks that night instead.

>He was a perfect gentleman throughout our relationship. He never pushed me to do things I didn’t want to do. His biggest concern was that I was comfortable. Polyamory is confusing for everyone involved, but luckily he and my fiance at the time were both understanding and consenting.

>Our relationship mostly consisted of us going out drinking and talking about our mental illnesses and him telling me about world tragedies and me talking about TV shows.

>>13606999
It's escapist porn for women who slept around and pretended to act like men during the best years of their life, pursuing a career and posessions and promiscuous sex instead of a family, and now realize they fucked up and have an empty, lonely, miserable life.

In the US it's a very large demographic thanks to commies and their propaganda.

>>13607048
Rapists don't usually get married or stay married for very long.

>>13608146
See how perfidious women are. When he was just another average beta male, she considered him merely an orbiter in her polygamous harem, not worth of consideration or any thought and dumped him with no qualms.

As soon as he became a mass murder she revisits their relationship and find out they were really romantic involved. I'm sure that if he got the chance, he would finally have now the sex that she probably denied him that whole time.

>>13608169
america as a society is mentally ill. this is what happens when you detach people from any meaningful culture, and saturate them with pornography and high grade military industrial complex propaganda mkultra cybernetics. btw old Dr Freud was right, everything is about sex, sex and nothing else but sex, specially politics and terrorism. This world is a boschian or maybe lovecraftian hellscape throbbing with death, together with all kinds of sexual misery and degradation, man is a venal and stupid animal, an eternal cuckold, woman is a cow.

>>13606999
They are told to like it

>>13607334
Have a gf or fuck somebodies gf

>>13606999
Women are slaves

>>13607245
Have you considered that maybe you want to be one of those viral brutal men, and are projecting your inability to do so on woman?
Not that I disagree about your assessment, it’s very accurate, but you can see plenty of low-quality woman settling with nice low quality men. These people still have satisfactory sex lives and so on. Your inability to recognize it as such is probably a symptom of your own desire to be a pirate lord who subjegates woman.

>>13607003
Great way to waste a shitload of human capital by reducing denunciation of how the dumb musical chairs game of sexual selection is wildly inefficient to nothing more than LMFAO VIRGIN COPE OLOLOLOL

>>13608574
if you are an unironic incel in the year of our lorrd 2019, it would make rational sense to just give up masculinity and become submissive trannies and sissies who get homosexually dominated by men.

>>13607133
To be honest, you should know these things - it’s basic knowledge

>>13608589
That’s what they want you to do though:
5/10s and under become submissive traps or be incel and die alone
6/10s will have to settle with 4/10 and under or the traps
7/10s will have average girlfriends, usually longterm. May have phases of flings and ONS.
8/10s will have their pick of the litter, the rest of women will join harems and share the top 20% of men

>>13608589
Holy frickin based Lois!

>>13606999
god i wish that was me

It blows my mind that grown adults were surprised by this shit, that women enjoy sexual submission.

>>13608526
>you can see plenty of low-quality woman settling with nice low quality men

That may have been true before Tinder, but now even low quality women can score dates with high quality men. Even if they are ephemeral and never develop into relationships, it's still better to have five minutes of alpha than an entire lifetime of beta.

>>13607324
Only incel post itt that’s true

>>13607200
>if we are the 130+ IQ board, then men would outnumber women, making the dating market really, really 'unfair' for us. In terms of wanting an equal or near, partner. This may end up forming a grudge unless you are willing to compete for the rare women. I for one assume that most high IQ men give up upon learning the statistic, and I'll go where my heart pushes me
>muh iq
autism

>>13607334
literally just have sex

>>13607011

I dated a few 18yo on Tinder telling me how they soaked themselves watching this with their friends at the cinema. So I guess it's not only something for housewifes but something instinctual

>>13607748
Go back to /pol/, underage retard

>>13608909
>male celibacy starts skyrocketing around 2012
>2012 is also the year tinder was created
hmm

>>13608897
If you happen to be the kind of person who's infatuated with Ryuko presumably you can understand how it's traumatically contradictory to that feeling of affection to imagine her desiring to be sexually dominated
>tfw no gf to whom it doesn't occur to integrate power dynamics into sexuality

>>13608909
Get the fuck out of my board incel

>>13608970
Dude, it's one of the few things that actually makes me feel affection for women. Letting you use her body as a kind of stress toy; how is that not a profound display of affection?

>>13609000
Because the idea of robbing her of her dignity by dominating her upsets me. Nor do I want to be dominated, incorporating power dynamics into sexuality is inherently degrading and sad and robs it of its emotional intimacy

>>13609030
There are no equals in sex. You're either the one dominating the other person or the one being dominated. Sorry :(

neoliberalism seems to run counter to foundational western ideals

>>13609040

>>13608974
I'm volcel. I could easily arrange a partner if I tried hard enough and debased my morals, but I'm not willing to do so.

>>13607948
>Pic related is everything I ever wanted.
Either get a 2D waifu and/or tulpa or just stop looking for a girlfriend and live your life the best you can. You're not likely to find a positive romantic companionship if you're actively "looking" for one. The love you should have for your wife should be the same love you have for your closest friends, just with the added facet of sexual attraction. Sometimes the dating thing works out but usually if what you want comes it'll come from very close to you while you're not searching for it.

>>13609030
>>13609040
Get a power bottom or a switch or something. Someone who likes being the active and the passive party. It's nice to be able to both own and feel owned and once you get comfortable with one another hopefully you'll both end up getting exactly as much and what kind of sex you want.

>>13609053
Some learn, some don't.

>>13609030
A woman's dignity is her ability to be a woman. You aren't robbing her of that by letting her express her natural submissiveness.

>>13608962
my oneitis went to see this
fuark

>screwed wife in the butt last night
>woke up to her aggressively riding my morning wood
>she pinned me down and had her way with me when I got home
>scrubbed her insides with my cock in the shower before she went to read in bed
>going to make an onahole out of her when I go to bed (unless she's already asleep since she hasn't been sleeping enough lately)
>we'll be sleeping in tomorrow but she'll probably wake up at some point and use me for stress relief

Y'all sad sack homos need stop hanging around broken people. A healthy sex drive is a sign of good mental health. Cooperation to solve mutual problems, such as horniness, is a sign of a healthy relationship. Life is too short not to take it easy.

>>13607003
>>13607094
>>13607048
this, modern women flick their bean to this in their studio apt of cats, modern man has porn addictions in their mothers basement

>>13609000
>Letting you use her body as a kind of stress toy
have sex

As long as you love yourself you can have sex whenever you like, with whomever you like, the key is realizing your partner might as well not exist.

You guys ever think about what it'd be like to be me? To love yourselves as much as I love myself?
It really is a different level of existence. I realized some time ago that I don't feel attraction to others. When I have sex I don't enjoy that person's body, I enjoy being observed by them, and observing myself performing. I'm quite simply, attracted to myself, and since I discovered this my life has been radically changed. It all turns into a spectacle about myself and for myself to watch.

I don't pretend to be a sociopath, faking grandiose mental illnesses is for slightly less mentally ill folks.
What I'm trying to say is than most people are always yearning for something exterior, and their lives are aimed towards seeking this something / someone. A life time in their own company has dulled down any sense of self love and admiration they could have for themselves, after all, they know the weakness that looms in their hearts better than anyone; in other words, they have rejected the role of the protagonist in their own lives, for they're obsessed with the concept of "the other".
But when you're like me, you already have the greatest thing you could possibly want, and you goal is to enjoy it, and preserve it, and enhance it.

Speaking truthfully, it seems to me that people who use terms such as "the one/ my oneitis" have a lot of fears, expectations and overall emotional baggage tied in with the prospect of sex.
in my experience, those who live in fear of failure experience disappointment threefold, for the first time when they imagine their future self, for the second time when they are going through the ordeal an it looms on them, and for the last time when their future self reminiscences about their past self.
A view as romantic as the one these people hold is worthy of a proper don quixote, and they are in need of their sancho panza, a lady who despite sharing those ideals will never present itself, cause she will still be attracted to the the mainstream male attributes also, and in the almost impossible case the connection is made, you'll have a picture perfect folie a deux.

Before we start, remember, whores are human shaped stepping stones in your narcissistic pursuit, even if she could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch she is still worth nothing , with that said if you still want to score for your pleasure:
The first thing to do with any woman you want to penetrate is assert a distance between you. (cont)...

>>13609576
Do not let her get close. Keep her at arm's length and only very rarely make it clear that you want and desire her. People in general (and women in particular), are arrogant and self centered, they DO NOT want to worship a human being other than themselves; they want an image, a reliable, powerful, consistent force that they can attach themselves to, shade themselves under, and live vicariously through. By being a cutesy idiot sending lengthy texts to her explaining your pleb-tier opinions you are begging for her validation and feedback, you are basically oblivious to the fact that this submissive, masochistic little cunt wants a sexual partner, or a boyfriend and not some entry-level "my first playground romance" cuckboy.

Women enjoy the dynamic of tension and then relief, intimidation, the utter debasement of themselves in service of a man who represents brute force and who apparently gets as much of a kick out of choking her, destroying her dignity and violently using her body and forcing her to admit her utter inferiority as she does in allowing a guy to do that to her. Very few women are looking for some dumb nerdy nice dude with tenuous philosophical positions.

But there must be some initial spark, based on physical attractiveness or power-orientated competence to provide the initial impulse in her desire of you. Girls simply do not fall in love with you "over time", or feel indifferent towards you at first only to suddenly become overwhelmed by desire after overhearing you tell your buddy about how exiting was that video game tournament you watched last weekend. The initial phase of inter-gender attraction is the most important, and the way you conduct yourself at that stage sets the tone for any relationship you may have.

Be too distant and you risk her losing interest or judging you to be oblivious and / or capable of simply "ignoring" your own instincts. Be too forward and you are admitting that you are needy, non-repressive and indifferent to high-tension dating rituals that women love. You should assert your attraction by an exchange of glances alone. This tells her you notice her and feel strongly about her, but are at the same time aware of etiquette and too appreciative of the aesthetic ritual to simply ask her to let you use her hole You must tempt her and maintain the intensity between you two. Make her feel impatient with you for not simply grabbing her and taking what you want from her. Make her ashamed of her intense desire and physical yearning for you. Make her touch herself at the thought of you, make her want to fuck her dog just to get rid of this burning urge that you have kindled. Make her view any woman you talk to as the potential ruiner of her entire life.

>>13609563
I know exactly what he means though. You can tell when your girlfriend doesn't even really want sex but she's still happy to get you off because she knows you want it. I did the same thing for her when she needs it and im not really feeling it, it's just basic compassion in a relationship. Sometimes sex is a mindblowing union of your desire, and other times one just needs it and the other goes along because they know that and it doesn't hurt them at all to do so.

>>13609576
>>13609586

>>13609586
And THEN, when her inner turmoil is at its summit, when the delusional self-aggrandizing image she holds of herself starts to crumble under the weight of her instinct that compels her to be bred, only then you will ram her with your cock, and from that point onward with the outer layer of her persona shed from existence, she will be forced to stare into her real self and admit herself a slut, and she will be less human for it.
With a single swift thrust of your hips, their entire lives up to that point validated; your meat rod falls upon them, striking their soft flesh like the whip of the very same Martin Luther during his daily session of self-flagellation, and much like the pain freed him from the guilt of his past sins, the pleasure of your instrument will quickly wipe away their feelings of self-loathing.

If I had to cut to the chase and address the core of the issue, I had to say women don't understand, and therefore cant place any real value on the concept of "freedom", most major misunderstandings and quarrels between male and females (both ad individuals and as a collective in society) steam from how much worth they place on it.

Women would rather live life as a pampered slave, than to have to face strife, or even discomfort in pursue of freedom.

>>13609591
>sex is a need
You're obviously an incel. Stop larping.

>>13609612
I honestly don't believe you've ever lived with your partner if you don't know what I'm talking about. You enjoy giving each other release from your sexual desire, even if you're not into at that moment for any number of reasons.

>>13609618
I don't understand what you're talking about because I'm still a slightly normal human being. Being coerced into sex by your partner when you're not in the mood is not some amazing level of love dude

>>13609576
>>13609586
>>13609607
I appreciate, admire, am intimidated by, and am saddened by this

>>13609648
>Being coerced into sex by your partner when you're not in the mood is not some amazing level of love dude
Do you also refuse to grab things for people that are too short to reach them or check on your friends when they're sick?

>>13609648
it's not coercion, sex doesn't harm you unless you're a puritan with hangups. you just don't really want it but they do

example, my girlfriend was clearly ovulating and wanted dick intensely, I was very unhappy because of personal shit happening in my family and I was just sad and didn't have a hint of libido, but I still fucked her because it made her feel good and that made me feel kind of good to give it to her, and being close to her still feels nice even if im not really wanting sex.

She did the same things for me, if I woke up wanting it and she was sore she'd give me a blowjob, if she was just not horny she didn't mind having sex because it didn't hurt her at all and she liked to see me have release.

I really don't know why you see that as coercion, I would never have made her do it or let her make me do it. In the times when on person says 'no i really dont want to to this' then of course you dont push it.

It is very obvious when sex is a kind of mutual intense desire or just one person stimulating the other, and neither are wrong at all.

>>13607317
It's just love for Chad's seed nothing else

>>13609591
wellll, that magically sounds better the way you said it, I am a faggot

>>13609716
My wife and I have always bonded over the fact that we both used to deal with intense stress with masturbation. Being horny is normal and healthy and part of being in a healthy sexual relationship is being responsive to your partner's sexual needs. If you love somebody enough to live with them then getting them off when they're horny shouldn't really be much of a chore, especially if they're willing to do it for you too. It's no different from massaging stiff shoulders or making her chicken soup for an ill person.

>>13607048
Women are fucking retarded.

>>13607311

Not even that.

>>13606999
It's COPING MECHANISM. Women of today KNOW, that most men want to have abusive sex with them, because they have been provided it by porn. Nothing less satisfies men anymore, unless they are in a severe lack. So, women choose to like being facially abused, anally fisted, strangled and beaten up. It's easy to trick yourself for liking something you do not really like, in order to cope. ALL PEOPLE do it, including men. Just think about how people of today APPRECIATE COLORFUL WORK RESUME, thinking how great it is to have been in such a wide selection of jobs and work places. It's all just a mechanism to cope in the present situation of short-time jobs available only. Back in the 90's and even early 00's steady, long career in the same place or profession was being appreciated, AS IT WAS STILL POSSIBLE, and it would be appreciated today too, if it was still possible. And think about all of those NEETs who loath the "wage slaves". It's nothing but COPING MECHANISM to survive with their own unemployment. Well, the same with women, they choose to like being the bottom in abusive sex as they believe it's the only way for them to be able to have relationships with men. And those are needed, as without them a woman can't have friends to post images of on their social media pages, and without that they can't have following and without following they can't have a job. As no one wants to be a friend of a woman with no relationships and no one wants to follow a friendless loser and no one wants to hire a loser with no following. The nasty circle created by the tyranny of social media.

An yeah, part of the SELF-DELUSION to be able to cope, that is called coping mechanism too, is that you are not aware of having the delusion. So, women create this delusion for themselves that they enjoy being sexually abused, to cope, but they are NOT AWARE OF THEMSELVES DOING SO.

Piece of cake. I wonder where people keep their brains not getting this or realizing other ways people cope with. Won't check any replies, as I know there will be a bunch of retarded liars and blind idiots denying what I say about both women coping this way and the social media. This is just for everyone's information.

Haven't read the books and won't. Concluding from the movie they're as shit as the movie.

>>13607748
I actually have very strong influence in my family.
I am unequivocally the most intelligent and argumentative person in it, so I can impose my beliefs easily. It helps that my dad agrees with most of them.
So I basically dictate the morality of the household.
Anyway, my point is that if my mom even considered watching that movie/reading the book, I would berate her, directly and indirectly, until she realizes that I'm correct in my moral judgments. That's probably why she didn't dare even mention it in the first place.
Plus I have evidence of degeneracy they keep secret that I'm saving to nuke them with if they dare fuck with me

>>13609586
I wonder. If generalizing all womankind for that one unit is the correct option, then women should be married to their rapists.
If on the other hand, this is not a truly womanish thing to do, then it shouldn't be that big of a deal outside the people who know her.

>>13607123
The depressing truth.

>>13606999
god I wish I was her

>>13607948
>That image
I acted like that toward the last girl I was interested in. She rejected me, but not without leading me on. I hate being an emotional, "soft" man raised without a father figure. I'm constantly afraid that I'm much more of an immature pussy than I actually am, and it is this fear that causes me to act like a fool. I don't fit the male ideal, but if I were born a woman I'd probably have an entirely mirrored series of problems. It feels bizarre to have desirable traits but never be viewed as desirable.

>>13607048
you niggas act like married men don't cheat on their wives and fantasize about whatever supermodel or pornstar
yeah guess why they don't ask their wives to blow them off while doing a handstand
men irl aren't like your average 4channel poster

>>13609576
>>13609586
>>13609607
This is genuinely THE NUMBER ONE most based thing I have ever read in my life.

>>13607133
>what do you want then?
>I-it's not the same if I tell you!
Exact transcript of the last conversation with my ex. Women were a mistake.

>>13607908
A rare instance of women being based.
You really should stop being effeminate like this. And yes, you can do it anon.

>>13607908
Being submissive as a guy is fine if you're into relatively mild stuff. Most women won't care about indulging it, and with prudish women you can just decline to mention it but still eat their pussy and ass a lot. I've never had a single problem. Most basic bitches are at least mildly curious to indulge some playful dominance and get eaten out with enthusiasm for a change.

It's when you're into the weirder shit, especially anything that hinges on you being effeminate, that you're really fucked. I thank god every day I don't have to deal with that. The worst guys are the ones who think it's a fucking lifestyle or sexual orientation, and that there are "mommy gfs" out there who will have "female-led relationships" with them. How about you have a girlfriend like a normal human being, and then when you're in the bedroom you do some kinky shit? Why you gotta turn it into a weird gayass internet persona like a furry?

>>13610245
tell us the secret

>>13610499
Ok awesome.

Meanwhile I mention sucking my pretend dick with a dildo yesterday and Butterfly went home with a dildo and NEVER CAME BACK. WHAT HAPPENED BEHIND THOSE CLOSED DOORS :3

>>13610580
sex toys.
Now, you'll probably scoff at how minor that is, but trust me, in my family I could assert myself as the overlord of morality just with that one peace of information.
All it would take is this during an argument:
>yeah really, I'm going to listen to some fucking morons with a collection of fucking sex toys
Said with extreme anger and spite, plus a few personal insults as well as explicitly stating how much better I am than them, and none of them would ever question a single thing I say or do again.
I have no reason to stage such an aggressive coup at the moment though, I'm saving it for when it'll be useful, like if my sister gets older and my parents become lenient on degeneracy

>>13610619
A perfect look at the mind of an 18 year old.

I wish there was a higher age restriction. :3

>>13610627
please elaborate
You dont know my family dynamic, so you cant make assumptions
we explicitly use the words degeneracy and degenerate on a regular basis
we have a strict notion of morality, and I now know that I am objectively morally superior, giving me the high ground in any future argument

>>13610655
just don't reply to it

>>13610655
Oh come on. Everyone has at least one kinky fetish. I know you do too.

#20190809 Hear Bruce Springsteen's Previously Unreleased Track "I'll Stand By You" - Rolling Stone
http://tridejur.uy/t123.php?id=2377508&alta=2019-08-09%2005:39:17

https://youtu.be/Y70yfKSAPrc

>>13610726
I genuinely don't.
Unless you count lingerie and underwear (while worn)

>>13610726
The whole concept of kink exists due to the pornification of society. Stop looking at porn and see all your "fetishes" disappear.

>>13610828
Just looking? Or do you also get a rise out of feeling the lingerie on a woman’s body? Lingerie is incredibly sexy, and is also very sensual to the touch.

>>13610851
Just look at him already redefining people's tastes to convince them they have a kink lol i hope mindgeek pays you well for your marketing skills lol

can you imagine claiming to be a man, but being a sex addict like a woman ?

that would be so weird lol

>>13610873
haha based

>>13610828
OH MY GOD ANON YOU SICK FUCK

;3

Okay guys, former incel here. Woman just like the implication that she is being dominated. Being tossed around in bed is a simple version of this. Bring out thr gag ball and they will most likely tell you to fuck off. Just like men like submissive aspects of femininity, women like dominant aspects of masculinity. It is why girl cream when I'm tall and muscular. I can protect them and internally they like the feeling innately. Not a hard concept. If you watched the movie, this is pussy bdsm and no girl would bother. Fucking hell being rich is a valuable trait stop acting like it isn't at least a little bit of a factor if your potential gf could buy everything for you. Good day.

>>13610958
Pretty much this, i’ve had girls straight up tell me that’s the reason as well

>>13610958
Again, the difference here is that there are variety between men, but not between women. Are most men into submissive women? Sure. But there are a significant minority, maybe 20% or even 40% who want an assertive woman or an equal partner.

How many women want a submissive man or a equal partner? 1%. Most would immediately dump a guy because he cried at his mother's funeral, as that is a show of weakness.

Besides, when men are attracted to submissive women, they want someone kind and mild. When women are attracted to dominant men, what they want are literaly psychopaths like drug dealers and murderers.

>>13606999
Because it was mostly read by soccer moms and those alike that probably had shitty sex life and weren't satisfied by their husbands, so this provided much needed fantasies.

>>13608962
They're the submissive gender and like when the guy is in charge, so not that weird.

>>13607108
>belonging to the same species of human beings
Literal tard

>>13607324
That's faggotry though.

>>13607011
and
>>13607115
is probably right on the money

>>13611004
No man really wants a assertive woman. They only want that because it allows them to put in no effort. Total cuck mentality to want your woman to dominate you. These are broken men. Hell some women like the one fucking that deformed guy like it when they are supreme. Don't pull numbers out of your ass.

in my experience, working at a book store, attractive women do not buy this book / movie. it is almost entirely older women, obese women, trailer park girls who smell bad, etc. it is a fantasy for women who are so ugly that no man would want to love them even if it meant punching them in the face. they are worth that little attention. i know it sounds incelly but try to seek out an attractive woman who has read this and you will see i am right. usually it goes like this: i get 50 books, a stack of amish lit, harlequin, childrens books, and then slipped in the middle somewhere is fifty shades. she looks impatiently over to her husband, who is often shorter or fatter than she is, and he hands her his credit card.

>>13611704
oh and when i say "older women" i don't mean cougars, i mean chunky wrinkly raisins.

gooey clit boners

>>13607948
The thing is, you'll never find a girl that gives you everything you want in pic related. Most people--especially females--don't spend that much time considering the feelings and troubles of others. Even a caring and considerate gf wont satisfy everything.

The solution is two-fold:

First, you have acquire a personal philosophy that allows you to overcome your troubles without a female serving as a crutch. This is tough for guys that have had lots of female support when they were younger in the form of mothers, sisters, friends, etc... Christianity is a great solution because it orients one around serving others instead of serving oneself.

Second, find male friends of your class and ethnicity. They understand better your struggles than any female ever will.

Butterfly comments on every single thread except this one... lmfao

>>13611962
really makes you think

>>13606999
Because it's popular.

>>13610431
it's pretty easy to understand. they want surprises, so if they ask for a surprise it's literally not a surprise anymore

>>13610245
>>13610619
You sound like a fucking cult leader.
I genuinely feel sorry for your family.

>>13611962
fuck that old cunt

>>13606999
People think it’s about the kinky sex but the sex is a minute part of it, it’s more the whole package. Rich, young, in charge of his business chad, who is obsessed with an ordinary girl. It’s essentially popular with women for the exact same reasons the bachelorette is.

>>13606999
There's nothing more pleasurable than submitting totally and completely to someone else. It removes all responsibility, all worries, you can let go absolutely. This goes for both men and women, it's just more common for women to be the ones submitting because of the biological differences in strength and also the learned roles of men and women in society.

>>13606999
they dont it's 8 fucking years old dude

>>13612978
Did they finish making all the movies? As I understand it all women watch the movies.

>>13609586
>You should assert your attraction by an exchange of glances alone.
Can someone explain how this works? I'm kind of illiterate in terms of body-language

>>13606999
Read Madame Bovary

>>13610459
Yeah I know I can, it just won't be particularly interesting. The idea of dominating a submissive girl does very little for me, even if she's beautiful.

>>13610499
Fortunately I'd probably fall into the former category, and I've got no interest in being effeminate or doing anything particularly obscure. I just like girls who enjoy being completely in control and who like to tease me, that's all.

Women are whores at the quantum level

>>13613492
really?

>>13606999
it's the pleb version of Nymphomaniac, a much better movie with the same themes.
human instinct makes women gravitate towards being controlled by males, and in modern society, the instincts are either countered by females with reason or taken even further to desiring abuse.

>>13613526
Nymphomaniac is PEAK pretentious schlock. 50 Shades of Crap had no pretensions of being anything other than softcore porn for middle-aged housewives.
>I mentioned the Fibonacci sequence I'm so smart and cultured

>>13613505
Me on the left

>>13610245
>>13610619
Based.

>>13613541
are you a granny? OwO

>>13613540
the mathematics stuff is the worst part of the movie because it is preachy and conceited in writing, but the rest of the movie is pretty good. I'm saying that it's way better than garbage.

>>13606999
>getting hot and heavy with a girl
>gently caress her face
>slowly move my hand down to the base of her neck then back up again and gently grab her around the neck
>girl gets wetter than Niagara falls
This is my go to move and has worked on every woman I've been with.

>>13613698
Back when I wasn't an incel, I would deliberately start grunting like an animal during foreplay. Again, Niagara'd. Don't know what the fuck it is, grunting seems so silly

>>13607748
that pic is cringe

>>13610287
My Ex wanted me to be like you.
So, even though it is true you could find an ideal partner, I extremely suggest you to man-up, because you do not want to get involved with anyone "in need" or "depressed".

Even if that makes you feel better at first because it's your ideal partner, I assure you, you'll change your mind.

>>13613713
>Back when I wasn't an incel
...how are you an incel if youre not khv?

>>13613713
>Niagara’d


verb

>>13607908
I feel your pain

They will soon be advertising Cascada water once again in the radio

>>13613488
Same. I'm not submissive in bed but the idea of dominating someone does not really turn me on.

daddy spanky SPANKY make my puss puss tickle

>>13613713
This. They love the grunt

>THE WORLD OF WOMEN
>READING TOGETHER
>50 BILLION SHADES

>>13611927
>First, you have acquire a personal philosophy that allows you to overcome your troubles without a female serving as a crutch.
This, but it ain't going to be Christianity.

>>13614703
It's the mindset, my melanin-enriched companion

>>13609576
>>13609586
>>13609607
When I was 20 I had this primal instinct you are talking about here, after than i tried to change my persona to the Muscular CEO that all women would wield on. It failed miserably because i just worn myself out with all this lifting and wagecuking.

Now i'm 27 and i only fucked 4 women in the last 5 years. Maybe i should go back to being more of a 'heart' than a 'brain' guy?

>>13609576
>>13609586
>>13609607
hyper based

Straight women have to grapple with dissonance of being sexual submissive while while striving to be "empowered" in all other facets of their life. BDSM helps them compartmentalise sexual submission away from the rest of their self-identity because it is a heavily ritualised activity that draws heavy distinction between "fantasy" and "reality" at least as far as its dogma and rhetoric go.

>>13607108

women are passiv

what would you say a billion is an old meassure

>>13609586
>Women enjoy the dynamic of tension and then relief, intimidation, the utter debasement of themselves in service of a man who represents brute force and who apparently gets as much of a kick out of choking her, destroying her dignity and violently using her body and forcing her to admit her utter inferiority as she does in allowing a guy to do that to her. Very few women are looking for some dumb nerdy nice dude with tenuous philosophical positions.

One of the finest examples that comes to mind about this is Star Trek TNG.

Riker comes off as a strong Chad. The moment he sees a girl, he instantly reacts and goes for the attack. Hello there, how's about you and me go to my quarters and I insert my woomb wombat inside of you at zero gravity.

While Geordie is a weak willed engineer trying to woe his mate with his knowledge of dilithium core and phase inducers, designing elaborate make-believe in the holodeck - we get it your a sexually frustrated engineer with way to much time on your hands.

Heck even Data gets more pussy than Geordie, and he's a fucking Android. Though because he doesn't have any emotions, nor emotional awareness, he trees over other girls emotions, which ironically makes him an alpha and makes the women desire him whether they want to or not.

>>13607948
Pic related is literally my gf though I'm like that towards her too

>>13615196
It's like being on /fit/ instead of /lit/. The heart guy is sometimes preferable; Henry Miller might have written derisively about the "writers" who lounge around cafes chatting up women and producing nothing, but in the end it was him who was reduced to fucking prozzies in between trying not to freeze to death

>>13608146
>>Our relationship mostly consisted of us going out drinking and talking about our mental illnesses and him telling me about world tragedies and me talking about TV shows.

Sweet Jesus this is hilarious and sad.

>>13610340
>men irl aren't like your average 4channel poster
men irl aren't like this?

>>13606999
Because it's mommy's first erotica, anyone who knows the genre can find something better at a lower price.
Also i personally think that the cover helped a lot with the popularity, usually books like these have really embarassing covers that mostly consist of just abs or something similar while the 50 shades cover is a lot more tasteful it's nice to look at and it doesn't scream softcore porn

>>13609048
>two fingered wisdom

???

>>13607334
You shouldnt take redpills on 4ch too seriously. Maybe there is some truth sometimes, but you have to make your own observations, otherwise you go from one lie to another.

>>13607048
this question is so far gone

Women don't want to lead or take any responsibility for want they want. If they had to communicate it to you, you don't have what it takes. For what they really want is for you to take the initiative and create the conditions in which she can relax and submit.

If this triggers anyone or if you feel like this intuitviely sounds right, listen to some patrice o neal on the blackphillip show.

Women are, the niggers of gender

>>13614997

There's a reason women love left-wing political ideologies so much.

The male principle is the principle of order and hierarchy. It establishes systems and institutions that last millennia.

The feminine principle is the principle of chaos. It tears down the Greatness that men build.

Women and feminine men love ideologies like Marxism and progressivism so much because it allows them to rage about their "oppressors"; it provides a method for them to derive dumps of dopamine without actually ever building anything. Soviet Russia collapsed into dictatorship a mere few years after leftist men took over. One has to search extensively to find nations built on left-wing principles that have survived after the original generation of founders had passed.

Monarchies, aristocracies, restricted-enfranchisement Republics, and other fundamentally hierarchical, and thus metaphysically male systems are the origin of almost every nation on earth. The greatest civilizations of all time, Rome, ancient India, Japan, post-14th century Europe, all of these had systems that valued strength, honor, and order. The revolutionary spirit of femininity rarely creates anything that is beautiful and that lasts.

Supporting left-wing ideologies is the most fundamentally female thing one can do.

>>13608970
It's actually hot as fuck thinking about dominating the fierce ones. Once You achieve it It's the deepest pleasure, despite the fact at You know full well that she was pretending all along and that all She wanted from the beginning was to be broken in like a Wild animal getting domesticated.

>>13608909
maybe people just dont marry, or marry later

>>13615240
for real, prob the best post i have read on this website

>>13609576
>>13609586
>>13609607

can sempai elaborate on when and how to make a move? women have always chased me when i take this attitude, but when it comes time for me to make a move like kissing and shit I don't know what to do.