/lit/ - Literature

Threadly reminder that litrpg, chinkshit, and other degeneracy belong in the chinkshit general

>>13584168
>STOP LIKING THINGS I DONT LIKE REEE REEE REEEEEEE
off yourself

>>13584168
Hear hear!

>>13584170
>N-nnnooooooooo I want to tell you about my self published furry smut
Feel free to like whatever demented shit floats your boat. It still doesn't belong in SFFG

>>13584170

>>13584204
>>13584190
Thanks for letting me live in your head rent-free, plenty of room in here.

>>13584213
As long as you stay quiet in the corner with the Dunce cap.

Think I'm finally gonna take a chance on Elric again except I'm only going to read the stories Morecock wrote/published in the early 60s since those seem to be the best.

Does anyone know where I can find a recent issue of The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction online? I'm trying to get a sense of what is considered publishable by the big mags now and that's the only one I can't find.

>>13584213
Bro, you're not in anyone's head. Understand this: we're a bunch of grown ass men that like to talk about wizards and robots and shit. We are not here for your sexual fantasies, nor is anyone interested in the latest harem webnovel that you pulled your peen off to.

>>13584327
He says as he reads Kingkiller Chronicles and beats the fuck out of his dick to the cuckery.

>>13584335
You too would be choking your monkey to the exact same premise if it was isekai or some other weeb shit.

>>13584353
>falling for le ebin isegai meme
the same way most modern books are trash, most modern jap media is trash, Either way you have to go dumpster diving in a mountain of lowest common denominator porridge to find anything decent.

>>13584335
Dopamine receptors so burnt it can't even fap to porn like a normal person anymore, all it can do is seethe

>>13584168
Why does litrpg not belong into the science-fiction and fantasy general again?
I would like to hear a good exolanation for that.

>>13584368
i literally dont have the time to beat the meat, try again

Daily reminder that you shouldn't post about stuff you haven't read

>>13584439
Oh take your trash somewhere else.

>>13584366
Oh just take your trash to /a.

>>13584459
This thread is not yours, grognard.

>>13584468
Go on, git!

>>13584429
Because 1) it's not science fiction, 2) it's not fantasy. Take the notes from your futanari squirrel girl GURPS session to /tg/, they may be interested. Tossing a wizard into your furry porn roleplay may be your fantasy, but it doesn't make it Fantasy.

>>13584535
yes, yes it does. is it shit fantasy? yes. but it is still fantasy. fuck off with your retarded elfshit """""fantasy""""""

>>13584548
>My sexual dysfunctions are a literary genre
Pls stop anon. You're embarrassing yourself

Why can't these threads just be about the same 4 books written in the 60s because old is good and new is bad and I have to show how cool I am by reading a terrible book just because it was written decades ago and is actually horrible but contrarians praise it because old is good and new is bad old is good new is bad

>>13584566
muh triplanetary
muh doon

>>13584566
You forgot to post a shitty low-res "artwork" of some barbarian and a babe.

>>13584566
Post new books you think are good then.
>>13584600
Post artwork you think is good then, bugman.

>>13584566
>>13584600
>old is good new is bad
We aren't going to buy your cringey book, Virlyce

>>13584632
>anyone I disagree with is this specific person that made me butthurt this one time

>>13584607
We already discussed this S&S fatty.
Don't @ me until you can bench at least 100 kilos.

>>13584632
Same butthurt energy.

>>13584669
Post new books you think are good, fag, or fuck off back to plebbit.

>>13584535
>no dickgirls allowed

Daily reminder that science fiction >>>>>>> fantasy

>>13584678
Maybe if you ask me politely.

>>13584688
Science fiction IS fantasy. Don't @ me, nerds.

>>13584649
You aren't fooling anyone
>>13584669
>God and the power of anime are on my side
Fucking kek

How about you fags post about books you like instead of bitching about books other fags like?

>>13584693
Science fiction is the only fantasy genre that still has the potential to be truly fantastical.

>>13584781
Said no one ever.

>>13584762
b-but muh superiority complex

>>13584170
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>>13584570
>>13584600
>>13584649
>>13584669
>>13584692

Why don't you guys just start your own general on /tg/? Those stories are basically just weird d&d type scenarios with levels and classes and stuff, right? Then you could be with your own kind, plus it's so slow over there your thread would never 404.

>>13584795
Stop spamming the thread.
You are butthurt, we get it.

>>13584795
No thanks, I'll rather stay in the science-fiction and fantasy general, which clearly covers litrpg.

>>13584805
No butthurts, fren. Jus trying to help u find de wey to peace an harmony

>another fantasy general

Anyone read pic related? Is it good? I read several reviews, they all used words like "emotionally charged", I am wary of this being emotional drama.

>>13584830
To be fair, it could be argued that it doesn't even belong on /lit/, let alone in /sffg/. Even the characters in them realise they're playing a table top game or mmorpg, and the focus is on leveling and game mechanics rather than plot, prose or character development. More of a read along of someone pretending to play a game than anything resembling literature. Seems more appropriate for /tg/ to me.

>>13584966
Weak argument. Philosophy and the like wouldn't belong into /lit/ then, either, since you there is no plot in it.

>>13584966
It's not an actual game, so it's not /tg/.

>>13584966
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Connecticut_Yankee_in_King_Arthur%27s_Court

Looks like this has to be banned now for having a very similar premise to most litrpgs, sans levels, though the main character is literally talking about his skills.

>>13585003
Different kind of literature. Philosophy doesn't purport to be fiction
>>13585012
The entire thing though is a game where the author is player and dungeon master alike, so it is/tg/

>>13585030
Don't be daft. That book has no common points with litrpgays.

Ya'll niggaz is stupid

>>13585046
No common point whatsoever?

>>13584966
>it could be argued that
Only ever used when saying something you know to be untrue. So we can agree that you're just being a pissy faggot for no reason.

>>13585106
Yes.

Here we go again!

>>13585188 (checked)
That's one dick sucking image you've got there

>>13585188
>samuel delany
LOL the autist who cried about degeneracy and "fantasy" is going to love this degenerate scifi.

Conanchads are based.

>>13585188
>dragon's egg lost
such fucking bullshit
This and Ringworld not qualifying, fuck it, I'm out

>>13585854
Don't let the genre hit you on the way out.

>>13585854
>if you guys don't read this book I can't read it either

>>13585188
>/sffg/ will never read the books you want to read

I feel like shit /sffg/. I'm bored and sick of reading and have nothing else to do. In 2 days I'm also going to have a week off, and I'm just going to spend the whole time feeling pointless

>>13585854
I’ll read Dragon’s Egg with you anon

>>13585112
That's just untrue. Why so angry, fren?
>>13585459
I unironically will, because I like Delany and I voted for it. Litrpg trash still struggling to cope.

>>13586581
So you're the chart anon as well as the fantasy screeching anon too.
Cope elsewhere degenerate. I bet Hogg is your all time favorite.

>>13586604
>Chart anon
lol no, and the only ones screeching here are you two litrpg fags. Like, just Kik each other or FaceTime. You'd get more out of it that way, and you could read chinkshit to each other and cum on your tummies together or something.

>>13586656
I'll think about it.

>>13586656
>REEEEEEE get out

>>13584170
Recommend me a good fantasy with a gay mc . Fucking please

>>13586721
How about a lesbo?

What's your favorite Thieve's World book anon?

>>13586736
No i want gay men

>>13586721
LotR

Top 3 first contact sci-fi books?

Mine are

-Blindsight
-Prador Moon
-Pandora star

>>13586742
I've never heard of that series before but it sounds intriguing.

>>13586780
1. Contact
haven't really read any others

>>13584439
Pact is some good shit. I like it a hell of a lot more than Worth The Candle.

>>13584607
>Post new books you think are good then

Black Leopard Red Wolf.

>>13586791
That one is on my backlog but i don't know why i just keep going for other options
*Rendezvouz with rama
*Mote in gods eye
*Blindsight

Man blindsight was so good but watts edgyness really toned down the experience for me, im really into in depth physical descriptions of aliens or their planets so thats why rama will always be my #1

>>13586780
What's the name of that book bout a bunch of scientist listening to space radio that turned out to be an alien rockstar that fuck them in the ass?

>>13586742
>Thieve's World

/sffg/, my boredom is bottomless. give me something to do

>>13586721
Steel remains
Red wolf black leopard
Wait.... Didn't we give you a list a few threads ago, faggot?

>>13586780
Based Neal Asher anon

>>13586815
Then you will like Contact because it's an incredibly well written mix of a good plot, (then-) state-of-the-art descriptions of how the universe works (it's been written by Carl Sagan after all) and not roo shabby prose.

>>13586961
Xianxia

Any books with a misanthrope protagonist?

>>13586961
I'm starting to feel that way. After 2000+ books everything looks the same. It's why I liked litrpg at first because it was different, now everyone and their mother is writing litrpg. Then wuxia and cultivation became a thing, but there are like 5 or less books worth reading. I'm currently burnt out and have 50 books to read and none of them interests me.

Nothing is coming out in August. No tight pussy part 2, no uncrowned, no nothing.

>>13586997
we talked about this

>>13587003
The new Red Rising book just came out, read it and tell me how it is.

There's also the new Blood Song book. Apparently it's more like Blood Song and less like the sequels, waiting for someone here to confirm....

>>13587001
Black Leopard Red Wolf.

>>13587001
All systems red.
Dangerous To Know by KT davies (it's shit though)

>>13587024
I'm not touching another pierce Brown or Anthony Ryan book.

>>13587030
I was going to suggest that to him but the end he came around, kinda

>>13587037
You admitted to reading litrpg, how high can your standards really be anon?

That said I don't want to touch them either that's why I'm asking you to read and confirm if they're any good.

Recommend me comfy space travel novel, /sffg/.

>>13587058
mind, book 2 is shit but the rest are good.

>>13587001
Against a Dark Background
In a wider sense Conan and The Stars my Destination

>>13587062
Foundation's Edge & Foundation and Earth if you've already read the original trilogy.

>>13587005
.?

>>13587168
It's the stop liking what I don't like autist again, just ignore him.

>>13587058
would totally read that.

>litrpg book starts with 3 pages of descriptions of possible player races
>protag picks human

>>13587399
A wise choice. Death to all mongrel races!

>>13587409
The protag is now a human leading goblins....

>>13587399
>describes a bunch of unique races
>picks dark elf
>bunch of unique classes
>picks thief/ranger/assassin

>>13587439
..Death to all mongrel races except Goblins!

>>13586780
Solaris
5th head of Cerberus
Rendezvous with Rama

Alternatively The True History of the Conquest of New Spain

>>13587455
He’s now espousing the virtues of illegal immigration to the goblins

>>13587441

>>13587481
For some reason this always makes me giggle.

I wanna read about drow doing a bunch of drow shit with all the plots and backstabbing. Any recs?

>>13587596
Forgotten Realms novels.

>>13587608
yes, that's the idea. more specifically?

>>13586780
blindsight was so accurate, so reasonable, i thought i could never regard aliens as realistic
then i read Crystal Society

>>13587187
Imagine honestly thinking it's just one person telling you weaboos to shut the fuck up and go back to /a/...

>>13587639
imagine honestly thinking two or three retards sperging at half the thread would have any results

>books with animal companions
the drizzt books and game of thrones

Read Quarter Share. It was pretty nice, but I've heard from here that the sequel is shit so I don't know if I'll bother.

Just signed up for a newsletter and gotta new and free S&S anthology. Based.

I'm been reading some litrpg for a while, but recently I have been trying to get away from the genre because it's starting to really fucking annoy me.
Any recommendations of books I can read slightly harder that my dyslexic ass can read?

>>13588137
Dungeon Samurai

>>13566596
From Haber's introduction to the point Orr dreams of the plague I couldn't put it down. But once the ayys landed I didn't feel like there was any real tension even after Haber starts dreaming

>>13588137
Dying Earth.

>>13587639
I periodically graph /sffg/ timestamps, and it is clearly just 2-3 people doing that.
On the other hand, there are at least 6 chinkshit posters.
inb4 you accuse me of autism, I am autistic, and please don't judge me

>>13588205
That sounds like something a chinkshitter would post.

Is this worth reading?

>>13587481
Can't believe I read that shit
>an entire world is stealth archers

>>13588602
Tell me, why is the god broke?

Bought the first 3 books of the Gentleman Bastard series cause i needed something new to read to pass the time in the army. What am i in for?

>>13588724
Do yourself a favour and return the second and third book.

>>13587609
All the drizzt shit obviously
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Drizzt
you can read the "The Sellswords" trilogy out of context though, then there is "Starlight & Shadows", "War of the Spider-Queen" and its follow up trilogy "The Lady Penitent", which has nothing much to do with Drizzt.
Overall the Drizzt stuff is all right, the quality changes from time to time but it's overall an enjoyable read.

>>13588797
is it really that bad?

I thought it would be best to post it here rather than make my own thread for it.
I'm currently in the middle of writing scifi and fantasy novels.
However in one of the novels I'm taking notes from biblical stories and using them as a setpieces for the stories in that particular volume.
Would this be in bad taste ?
This volume could be scrapped entirely and not affect the larger story at all but would give a good sense of scope of things to come (the parting of the red sea, the plagues, the resurrection of jesus to name a few) which is why I was interested in using it.

>>13588869
Well it depends on your tolerance for shitty writing. The first books is not amazing but it is at least somewhat original and tense. The sequels are just pointless.

>>13588906
a mediocre timewaster is just fine if the premise is interesting. Guess im about to find out

>>13588879
Why would that be in bad taste? Have you never read The Chronicles of Narnia?

>>13587596
MSE posted the first three chapters of a series he was starting that featured mostly Drows. It was pretty good. It's really unfortunate that he'll probably never publish it now with the problem with amazon that will never go away.

>>13584150
What's wrong with kingkiller chronicle ?
t. nonfiction fag who sometimes reads fantasy

>>13588964
>The Chronicles of Narnia
I actually bought a box of the full collection a few years ago for a pound but I haven't read them yet.

I was worried that people would dislike the use of the stories as a setpiece (the stories follow an alien artifact through history that makes men and other creatures into gods), I'll have a look at Narnia to see what you meant since they aren't very long.

>>13589009
It features many things 4ch hates. Like women who sleep with men that aren't the MC.

>>13589018
But that sounds amazing, anon.

>>13589009
It’s written by a cringey neckbeard and stars his self insert Mary Sue protagonist.

>>13589009
Many things. Among them and most notably, >>13589029, which is an odd way to say "self-insert cuckold fantasy". It's also unlikely to ever be finished, as Rothfuss started too many plot threads to be able to finish all of them satisfyingly on a single book. Honestly, it's not good. There's nothing in it that makes people say "oh, that'so so good", besides hype and herd-thinking.

>>13589029
>>13589049
>>13589058
I thought it was engaging enough, well written. Nothing new there in worldbuilding or magic. I agree about too many plot threads, and about 4chan hating women that dont sleep with MC. As for the the Mary Sue parti thought it was handled alright. partially an unreliable narrator, and partly it's like MC is maxed out in certain stats but so weak in others causing him to be such a faggot he fails at pretty much everything he does

Other than rothfuss i read sanderson among modern authors and liked him better, what would you recommend for fantasy (I've been told to not read Malazan but everything else is fine)

>>13589048
>But that sounds amazing, anon.
Thanks, It's still a very long way away from being finished but I have a very clear image in my head of what I want it to become.

Is amazon still the way to go for independent writers to publish things or is it best to go to an actual publisher ? I have no idea how well physical copies still sell these days or who would be most interested in publishing something like this.

>>13589009
Personally I just found the main character to be an insufferable cunt who I didn't want to read about and dropped it pretty quickly. But I felt the same way about Catcher in the Rye, so what do I know?

>>13589133
It's nothing to do with hating women. He buys her shit only to see her use it on her chad boyfriend of the week, then he does it some more. I don't expect every guy to get the girl they set their eye and heart on, but I will not read about how an author poetically spews about being used by a bitch then having it rubbed in your face is the epitome of romance. Even if you want to say she is his friend, a friend would not sleep with your enemies. Fuck deana. She rode everyone's dick, and Rothfuss expects us to praise her for being loyal?

>>13589287
Hmm i see why he would be called a neckbeard for writing that, but I don't think the whole virgin chad slot slut idea is applicable in the story unless you reach a bit
Someone might say that a 9/10 by her isn't getting with a broke college kid but there's not much evidence
The canon explanation seems to be that denna wants to keep him away from her whoring and doesn't want MC to be someone else she leaves behind

>>13586962
I don't think it was me

>>13589353
Someone post that one Denna excerpt. You know the one.

>>13589385
Don't even need to upload.
>>13576877

>>13589389
>you've been inside the circle of her arms
And inside other circles of hers, I bet.

>>13586962
Can you post that list ?

>>13589133
>and partly it's like MC is maxed out in certain stats but so weak in others
You autists just can't get beyond leveling.
What a horrible critique.

>>13589444
Checked and destroyed but it's just another way of saying "ackshually he's not a Mary Sue, maybe he exaggerates his strengths a bit and swaggers over his weaknesses"

>>13588205
post graphs

>>13589389
>YOU MAY HAVE EJACULATED ON HER FACE, BUT MY LIGHT WILL SHINE INSIDE HER WHEN SHE LETS ME PREP THE BULL

>>13589389
That page isn't really right? It reads like a shitpost. Who would write this and believe that this is what romance is?

>>13589542
An old friend broke up with me and our entire cyrcle of friends because I hooked up with this cute girl he was orbiting. 2 years no one heard shit from him, don't undersestimate whiny losers.

>>13589604
Oh it’s very very real. In the second book, he fucks a little mousy girl instead (and also impressed a sex goddes with his natural virgin dicking skills). But still continues to orbit this whore. It’s really sad that Rothfuss thinks this is a romance and not just fucking pathetic.

>>13589604
Every time denna is mentioned it's a cringefest in this series. It's intolerable. But even if he scrapped everything denna-related, that would only promote it to mediocre quality. He abandons the most interesting plot-lines to pursue stupid filler-shit nobody cares about. I think the chandrian, the whole reason anything happens on this series, only show up like twice. Meanwhile he's off to fairyland, fucking, or to feminist village, fucking (it'd be interesting if the grill gives birth to a redhead afterwards, at least, but I doubt it will happen).

>>13589366
Then search the archive. Some literal faggot wanted a butt muncher protagonist.

>>13589604
>Who would write this and believe that this is what romance is?
Bugmen.

>>13588205
Show stamps

Excuse me while I eat some fairy fruit and fuck this dead farmer's hot pant wife.

>>13589699
>not the other way around

You fucking fruitty fairy

>>13589621
>natural virgin dicking skills
Of all the plotlines to steal from hentai, he picks this.

>>13587481
>know what it is based off thumbnail

>>13589622
Valid criticism. I think I'm fine with reading fantasy that bugmen read as long as it's well written but yeah i see the light now
t.>>13589009
Going from the other replies though is it not acceptable to read books with different worldviews than our own? Can someone not enjoy kingkiller chronicle if they're B&R ?
also, what would you recommend i read next, given that i liked Sanderson a lot?

>>13589808
It’s not just that it’s also stuff like, “I have to play the hardest song ever written, but now my string broke, so I have to play it on five strings instead of six so it’s double impossible!” Just fuck everything about Kingkiller desu.

If you liked Sanderson, try reading The Powder Mage. It’s written by one of Sanderson’s disciples.

>>13589751
The duke would like a word with you.

>>13589160
Amazon would be your best bet, publishers qill rip you off and force you into a trilogy-contract. And if you don't have at least one leftist/queer/trans/black character in it rhey won't even look at it.

>>13589389
Jesus. Are there any good recent fantasy romances? It feels like a lot of writers these days go full retard with love triangles, cuckshit, etc. Whatever happen to just plain old romance? I guess it could be considered boring, but is going in the extreme opposite direction really the best way to "subvert" that?

>>13589808

>>13589820
>>13589869
Cool desu

>>13589856
Too many writers think romance needs to be this overwrought and ridiculous thing instead of two people simply falling for each other and that being the end of it. Keep in mind I'm not talking about a hero having to rescue the woman he loves; I'm talking about the entire process of them falling in love in the first place. That shouldn't be an awful, convoluted mess so many writers believe it should be.

>>13589181
You’re correct in both cases friend.

>>13589847
>Amazon would be your best bet, publishers qill rip you off and force you into a trilogy-contract
I don't mind a trilogy contract honestly.
So far I have 9 novels outlined with more to be made without much effort.

>And if you don't have at least one leftist/queer/trans/black character in it rhey won't even look at it.
That won't be much of an issue either honestly since one of the themes is the degeneration of mankind as time progresses.
Things like trans, gay or queer would be nothing in comparison to the amount of degeneracy 250 years from now, much like how things that would be considered degenerate 250 years ago are common and even celebrated these days.

Powder Mage any good? The thought of Fantasy Napoleon is an intriguing one, but I dunno about committing to another multi-book series.

>>13589856
Someone recommended me the Vorkosigan saga novels. Haven't tried it yet.

>>13589869
Wow a decent list for once, except for Painted Man. That series devolves into tranny army that chops off everyone s dicks and muh magical genderfluid hermaphrodite babby both of which serve no purpose

>>13589887
honestly, the best romances are the ones written for children, because they lack a concept of drama and beligerant sexual tension and so all the only thing writers can do is actually depict intimate friendships between two people who are attracted to each other, which is exactly what love is supposed to be

frankly, the shallow bitter things boomers call romance is embarrassing to watch and poisonous to the ensuing generations

>>13590001
It’s pretty decent, but it also shows some growing pains, since it was his first series. I enjoyed it though. Ka-pol best girl

>>13590034
HarryxGinny a best

>>13589887
It bugs me that the only book I've read recently with a love interest that isn't absent for the entire plot is Codex Alera.

>>13589856
Lyonesse

>>13590026
>Abercrombie
>Meme Lawrence
>fuck adare
>Jim Butcher
>Peter Brett
>Sullivan
>NK Jemisin
>Islington

>decent list
Anon, that's the worst list in existence. The only good thing about that list is that it somehow surprisingly doesn't recommend Brent Weeks and Patrick Rothfuss.

>>13590034
One of my favorite romances in fantasy was in Legend by David Gemmell. A man and a woman stuck in a crappy situation end up falling for each other because of the time they spend together. It's so hilariously simple yet it's completely realistic and believable because that is how people fall in love in real life. A real life example of this is two pro-wrestlers went on a first date (a man and a woman) and at the end of the date the male pro-wrestler straight up asks the female pro-wrestler to marry him and she said yes and they've been married for almost 25 years. Pic related is them.

>>13589458
I get the point behind his post, I really do.
What I take issue with is this retardedly simplistic way he put it, presenting it in terms that one uses to describe a raid in some shitty MMO, not characters motivation (or in this case authors social ineptitude).
"Should have leveled up some more lmao!" is insulting to everyone's intelligence here (excluding litrpgayers and chinkshitters).
At least redditors put effort in their posts. I stumbled upon one of many "Denna is not a whore and Kvothe is not a cuck you meanies" posts there and it's paragraph after paragraph of the worst possible mental gymnastics trying to hand wave away the obvious. That dumbass did not just post "lol should have taken a few levels in pimping" and called it a day.

>>13590272
is that a boob job scar?

>>13590373
with that kind of shape there is no way it isn't

>>13590090
What are the best current contemporary sff writers in your opinion then?

>>13590272
>such exquisite cheek bones, such traps, such long shoulders, such toned stomach, such a specimen of chin
How big do you think his dick his?

>>13590439
He doesn't read contemporary. He will tell you conan, and peake and a bunch of other old shit that he doesn't even read.

>>13590446
Soooo... chinkshit or litrpgay?
Which one do you read?

>>13590439
Not that guy, but I've realized the only contemporary writer in this field worth reading is Michael Swanwick.

Maybe John C. Wright, if you're looking for "fun", but don't expect too much.

>>13584150
I'm powering my way through the entire Gene bibliography - all's fine and dandy - until I reached Peace. What the fuck my dudes

Why does /sffg/ never talk about YA? Artemis Fowl and Seventh Tower unironically are two of the most unique and interesting worlds in fantasy.

I'm bored and need a book to read. Should I read Jonathan strange?

>>13590501
Cuz no one here is 14 years old.

>>13590507
YA and adult fantasy/science fiction are equally derided by academia and "I only read literary fiction" hipsters, so why care?

>>13590506
Yes

>>13590454
>t. Sandersonfag

>>13590473
I like based s&s and lensman books.

>>13590507
Or a woman. YA is more targeted towards women than actual young adults.

>>13590501
Artemis Fowl is among the worst crap I've ever read. YA in general is worthless, with a few books standing out as readable or great.

>>13590501
YA can be have amazing and unique ideas but its prose is always limited as fuck which limits enjoyment; however, this may be specific to English. I'm fluent in Spanish as well and I'm not sure if it's because it's a second language, but I've found even YA Spanish prose to have a real elegance to it. Any other multi-language anon's have similar experiences?

>>13590510
I don't care. I am just telling you why there is no discussion of YA works. Most here are too old, too well read and too cynical for it.
Honestly I would prefer discussing the latest adventures of the child criminal genius, his butler and the hot elf from the center of the world over litrpgays or chinkshit.

>>13590524
Also what this anon said. How quickly we forgot the Mortal Engines fiasco.

>>13590522
S&S DYEL we already went over this. Don't @ me until you can bench at least 2 plates.

>>13590510
>>13590501
Because we read it already and grew out of them. Why would we discuss things we have no intention of reading? If we had kids, yes, but not as is.

Septimus Heap
Artemis Fowl
Harry Potter
Hobbit
Charlie Bone
Percy Jackson (before the author forced his gay Political pandering shit into books).
These were good kids books, go read them if you want.

Why does this genre seem to go hand in hand with art more so then non-fiction?

>>13590517
You know there are hundreds of other contemporary works other than Sanderson, right?

>>13590090
Abercrombie and Lawrence are based tho

>>13590553
>t. Malazanfag

>>13590553
And you know fantasy was more varied and creative before bloated epic fantasy slogs took over the genre, right? Most fantasy writers these days write nothing but LOTR derivatives and it's beyond boring.

>>13590628
Spoken like someone who doesn't actually read books.

>>13590761
>Y-YOU JUST DON'T READ BOOKS
lol the irony of this coming from an OLD BOOKS BAD, NEW BOOKS GOOD retard. Feel free to list these new fantasy books and series that totally aren't LOTR derivatives you think are amazing.

Ok, decided to flesh out and fully commit to the story within the enchanting setting.
Everything and almost anything can be achieved through enchantments on non-living matter, which will affect living matter.
However, the most basic and cheapest enchants are the weakest, and here comes the Restriction & Benefits effect, in which an enchantment's potency is affected by what and how much you're willing to sacrifice and restrict so that you can increase it. Also there's only one enchantment per single object.

The society evolved in such a way that people are entirely dependent on enchanting as much as we are dependent on electricity. Take enchanting away, you throw the society into dark ages level of decay and chaos. The protagonist is a magically enhanced doppelganger capable of transforming into any human being at will, and the plot revolves around a successful coup against his former employer. The reason, his employer used to work for a certain someone or something known only as the Rose, who is not only immune to the effects of enchants, but can nullify these enchantments and in addition, is able to sway the minds of humans to its will. The protagonist is therefore also a tool of the Rose by association and needs to clear his name before working out who the Rose is and what are it's reasons for throwing the world into chaos.

Sounds good? I'm already some 15k words in.

Are these books by Salvatore as good as Drizzt?

>>13590628
You want to know how I know you don't actually read contemporary works?

>>13590900
How long have you been working on it?

>>13590910
See
>>13590804
Still waiting for you to name some books, princess.

>>13590909
That's a long ass title.

>>13590804
Who said I was part of your stupid time period good bad dichotomy? Where in the post you replied to is there something that screams x is better than why? It just point out (rightly) that you don't even read and you are just memeing.

>>13590922
I'm not the same person faggot.

>>13590932
YOU don't read, anon.
>>13590938
And yet you're just as much of a faggot as he is lol

>>13590900
If you are writing books with enchantments, make sure that people in your novel actually uses enchantments for practical purposes. So many books have the MC be a builder of stuff... Then have him build nothing.

>>13590932
And what do you read then?

Do you get autistic about armor and clothing or do you just go with whatever sounds cool?

>>13590959
both

@13590949
@13590922
@13590804
@13590628
Looking for (you)s huh? I figured you out.

no one cares about your "gimmick"
all that matters is the story and your characters of your novel
a good story can carry trough a bad setting, but a good setting can't carry a bad story or characters

>>13590959
>>>/tg/

>>13590986
>no one cares about your "gimmick"
>all that matters is the story and your characters of your novel
This. Morons too hung up on world-building; as if that shit matters when it's about the characters and story first and foremost.

Recommend some dark humor sci fi books?
I like Kurt Vonnegut and David Wong.

>>13590995
>>13590986
Yeah, but don't forget you also have to let the reader know what level the mc is and how much hp they have left so they know if there gonna beat the bad guy or not

sorry bout the grammer, I'm extremely drunk

>>13590959
I don't read fantasy novels that lack bikini armors.
Simple as.

>>13590454
That Conan fag is living rent free in your head anon, you're seeing him everywhere and no I'm not him nor do I have anything against modern fantasy. I haven't kept up with the new releases as much as I'd like but I've read and liked my fair share of both old and new books.

>>13590439
Some post-2000 stuff that I liked to varying degrees.

Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky
Guns of the Dawn by Adrian Tchaikovsky
City and the City by China Meiville
Blood Song by Anthny Ryan (book 1 only)
Senlin Ascends by Josiah Bancroft
Gray House by Mariam Petrosyan
Renegade by Joel Shepherd
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke
Rook by Daniel O'Malley
Bartimaeus by Jonathan Stroud
Troy by David Gemmell
Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin
Song of Ice and Fire by GRRM
Circe by Madeline Miller
Ironfoot by Dave Duncan
Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lycnh (book 1 only)
Curse of Chalion by Lois McMaster Bujold
Annihilation by Jeff Vandermeer
Traitor Baru Cormorant by Seth Dickinson (book 1 only)
Gods of Blood and Powder by Brian McClellan
Metro 2033 by Dmitry Glukhovsky
Silo by Hugh Howey
Goblin Emperor by Katherine Addison

>>13591149
I am that Conanfag and I am indeed living rent-free in that bitch ass nigga's head and it's HILARIOUS.

>>13591175
Lookit dat that low-res pic.
At least post some real art DYEL.

>>13591190

>>13590916
2 weeks give or take.

>>13590953
Well the world is a cold earth (it has plot relevance). One of the most common enchants are heat floors. Relatively cheap since they don't need to be very hot, just enough to warm the house. Speed pants/boots are also common for the sheer need of transportation, however for greater effects people are willing to sacrifice quite a bit for super speed. Strength items are also common and basically always needed since it's still a physical society. Then come heat clothes, water-proof clothes, greater vision glasses, adhesive boots, there are all sorts of things. Anything you can think of, literally. Now, that's all practical and fine, and I decided on whom exactly can enchant, so I made enchantment a 3-part work.
First comes the skill itself, which is gnostic in nature, doesn't need thought, only pure knowledge and technique. In a way, it's like mathematics.
Then comes the material itself, and I decided upon a magical substance which, when acted upon, creates the enchantment. So you can't enchant a boot, but a boot which has this particular material inlaid in it.
And the 3rd part comes in the Restriction, and what you're restricting for the enchant to work. That being said, only a society of monks within the world can do enchants. Well everyone can if they meet those 3 requirements but the monks own the material monopoly, own the knowledge of this practice and teach their students in their temples, and do the enchantments on command, which will place the Restriction burden upon the client, and not the monk initiating the enchantment.

Now add in the Rose and his ability to remove enchants and you have yourself a plot. BotNS is still my favorite book though, and I don't expect the plot to carry it. I'm confident in my prose, but I'm even more confident in the themes and characterization. I'm actually quite happy with what I've been writing so far. If I can keep up the quality, I have faith in what it'll be once finished.

>>13590916
2 weeks give or take.

>>13590953
Well the world is a cold earth (it has plot relevance). One of the most common enchants are heat floors. Relatively cheap since they don't need to be very hot, just enough to warm the house. Speed pants/boots are also common for the sheer need of transportation, however for greater effects people are willing to sacrifice quite a bit for super speed. Strength items are also common and basically always needed since it's still a physical society. Then come heat clothes, water-proof clothes, greater vision glasses, adhesive boots, there are all sorts of things. Anything you can think of, literally. Now, that's all practical and fine, and I decided on whom exactly can enchant, so I made enchantment a 3-part work.
First comes the skill itself, which is gnostic in nature, doesn't need thought, only pure knowledge and technique. In a way, it's like mathematics.
Then comes the material itself, and I decided upon a magical substance which, when acted upon, creates the enchantment. So you can't enchant a boot, but a boot which has this particular material inlaid in it.
And the 3rd part comes in the Restriction, and what you're restricting for the enchant to work. That being said, only a society of monks within the world can do enchants. Well everyone can if they meet those 3 requirements but the monks own the material monopoly, own the knowledge of this practice and teach their students in their temples, and do the enchantments on command, which will place the Restriction burden upon the client, and not the monk initiating the enchantment.

Now add in the Rose and his ability to remove enchants and you have yourself a plot. BotNS is still my favorite book though, and I don't expect the plot to carry it. I'm confident in my prose, but I'm even more confident in the themes and characterization. I'm actually quite happy with what I've been writing so far. If I can keep up the quality, I have faith in what it'll be once finished.

>>13591216
Seems everyone jumped on the same bandwagon when it comes to futuristic combat armors.

>>13591244
It is a good bandwagon.

I am especiall fond of elements from tank armor on humans.

>>13591245
>It is a good bandwagon.
Bandwagons are never good. Now we are awash in samey, overly detailed and too clean armors that are all style over substance.
Art station is full of 'em.
I like Beck's approach (and a few others), where it actually looks like used equipment - he has an eye for mechanical details, probably because he builds custom race cars in his spare time.

>>13591269
consider

>>13591277
As I said I am not a fan of overly stylized anything.
That looks way too anime.

Anyone read this series? Just finished the first book, had a pretty good time, not sure i like where the series is heading though. Surprised i enjoyed a female author so much desu

>>13591300
That's a really low quality bait.

>>13590995
>>13590986

I disagree. Characters and plot matter, but if your gimmick is retarded or if you cram too many together stupid ones together nobody will even bother to pick it up. You can write fantastic characters and plots, but if you approach gimmicks like that food anon with the wonderland/rat king/pokemon/wilderness survival survival/cooking crap you're dead in the water

>>13591300
I read it, it was alright. Where it's headed is a definitive end, with explanations and lore dumps and some more flash backs. More of what was in the first book, with higher stakes.

>>13591322
Nice, will finish it then. A problem I'm having is I'm not sure I dislike the (bad guys) enough. They just seem to be doing whats needed for humans to survive.

>>13589869
Sabriel/Abhorsen series is the top of this book pyramid by far

if you haven't read it youre not living

>>13591381
Just wait, black female dumbledore will show them the woke way to save humanity.

>>13586801
The author is a nigger . Is it really good (if yes , why ? ) Or are you just trolling anon ?

>>13591471
Charles Saunders is black and a good writer. He made Black Conan aka Bronan aka Imaro.

What are some books?

>>13590532
Yes, most of the classic German children's or young adult books feature fantastic prose, it depends on the writer though, like Otfried Preußler or Erich Kästner. Krabat (alternatively known as "Krabat & the Sorcerer's Mill" or just as "The Satanic Mill") for example is exquisite.

>>13590909
I dunno what the series is called by Salvatore's one with magical crystals is good, so if it's that then yeah

>>13584566
>Why can't these threads just be about the same 4 books written in the 60s because old is good and new is bad and I have to show how cool I am by reading a terrible book just because it was written decades ago and is actually horrible but contrarians praise it because old is good and new is bad old is good new is bad

The actual reason for the worst posters in here obsessing over a few old books is because they don't actually read much and thus can't talk about other stuff.
That's why they have so many posts all hours of the day in these threads lol

People who can't handle science fiction because it has to be all big explosions and monsters
And I didn't want to feel like part of a movie or a series of movies where some plot is just going to be set up for the whole story to play out, and the whole thing can be taken apart and reassembled later on without any friction.

I love that this story doesn't have any major plot lines or characters, it's just two guys who find themselves in a spaceship, going somewhere in space, and there's no clear end for it.
You can basically keep reading and thinking about them for pages and then they're out there somewhere. It's all pretty straightforward but I'm loving the simplicity of it.

>>13591545
?

>>13591544
>The actual reason for the worst posters in here obsessing over a few old books is because they don't actually read much and thus can't talk about other stuff.
>says the fag who doesn't discuss any books at all
lol

>>13591084
Another roastie with a crotch tattoo and boob implants. Just watch porn. Why do you even frequent sffg?

>>13590955
I read both old and new. Both have stinkers and you have to wade through some chaff to get the grain.

>>13584439
>fanfiction

>>13591021
>maxed out level of butthurt

>>13591242
I recommend you read the cogweaver trilogy

>>13591566
Nice coping mechanism

>>13591600
Remember when fanfiction was bannable? Pepperidge farm remembers.

>>13591630
>t. Malazanfag

lotr is just ring cycle fanfic

>>13591637
>yfw this nigga wrote a fanfiction sequel to Vance's Dying Earth series that was good enough that Vance allowed it to be an authorized sequel

>>13584795
On the /sffg/ web novels chart in >>13584439 I'm familiar with 7/8 of the listed works. One has levels and classes, another has classes.

Unsong is about a world where Christian/Jewish mythology is actually true, the geocentric model is how the universe works, and we crack open the sky and start to break reality when we launch the Apollo rocket to the moon, leading to all sorts of fucky stuff happening like Kaballah ritual magic starting to work.

Mother of Learning is a time-travel fantasy novel. Character faces enormous challenge, gets put into a time loop where he has to Groundhog Day it over and over, honing his skills and getting further over time.

Pact is a fantasy novel where the fae and their magic are real and you can make bargains with them for power. They all hate humans and they're all basically contract lawyers who will fuck you over if you give them any conceivable loophole.

Worm is about superheroes, except grimdark, and there's never a happy ending.

etc. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Guys if you stop giving (you)s to the non reading cunt he will eventually leave.
If you see someone mentioning conan, Malazan od Sanderson just ignore them.

>>13591783
Nice try, litrpgfag.

>>13591783
Or litrpg and chinkstuff*

>>13591494
Yeah , but i'm asking about this book . I'm really worried after seeing the author's video with vice with all that shit about Africa storytelling and gender fluidity lol

>>13591871
Jemisin is shit and everything written by her should be avoided. There.

>queried previously why authors don't make their bland and generic quasi-medieval fantasy worlds slightly more fantastic by replacing horses with giant birds as an example
>currently reading a story that has giant birds as steeds
Absolutely based.

>>13590930
for you

>>13591900
There’s a guy who tried to make game of thrones but with dinosaurs.

Hint: it sucks ass.

>>13592004
Is it Malazan?

>>13592004
That's because Game of Thrones sucks ass. Dinosaurs totally rule.

>>13592015
No it’s called The Dinosaur Lords

>>13591900
You pic gave me flashbacks.. I thought "that" person was back.

>>13591471
I like it a lot. The main cast are all some variation of anti-hero. I'm really interested in the premise (A trilogy where each book is an unreliable narrator recounting the same quest).

The use of African folklore/magic realism gives it a different vibe than most contemporary fantasy novels.

>>13592056
>The main cast are all some variation of anti-hero. I'm really interested in the premise (A trilogy where each book is an unreliable narrator recounting the same quest).
That sure sounds awful. Read Charles Saunders if you want to read some actual good African fantasy.

>>13591175
Based Conanfag. You may not read the stories in the proper chronological order, but you're an alright guy.
>>13591300
>Da wh*te Pipo are sabage imsestuwus cannibals, but da brown gurl gon sho wh*tey wussup
No thanks, anon.
>>13591728
Then he retconned it and wrote based Cugel's Saga. I liked his story in Swords and Dark Magic though, so I'm gonna add it to the list.
>13591783
Good idea. No more (you)s for faggots

>>13592020
>Dinosaurs totally rule
What are you - 12 years old?
Why would you cram something so lacking any fantastic elements as dinosaurs in fantasy?
You end up with badly written shit like Malazan.

>>13592069
What's it about?

>>13592097
>Why would you cram something so lacking any fantastic elements as dinosaurs in fantasy?
You are incredibly retarded and don't know anything about fantasy.

>>13592110
Heh.
Don't forget to give them feathers.
We have to be scientifically accurate after all.

>>13592103
See
>>13591494
Unfortunately only one Imaro novel has been released as an ebook and the others are only in paperback and long out of print. He's written other non-Imaro African fantasy though.

>>13591877
jemisin is not the author

>>13591877
The author of Black Leopard Red Wolf is Marlon James.

Anyone read this? It's described as a steampunk western with Roman vibes and the reviews on GR seem decent and free of any 16 year old girls.

I've been trying to get back into history books but it's annoying me that I keep losing a lot of the small details like who different poets were or something along those lines (the one I'm on now is A Concise History of Italy by Salvatorelli). So I'm thinking about jumping back into sci-fi or fantasy after I'm done with my current book, depending on my mood. What are some good new books to start me out?

>>13592316
>and free of any 16 year old girls.
This is not a good thing.

>>13592381
I meant the review section on GR you degenerate.

>>13592435
Don't judge me.

>>13589869
A few good but still a lot of shit on here

>>13591783
I’d rather ban litrpg shit

>>13591796
>>13591836
>>13592503
Based

>>13591288
>stylized anatomical realsm is somehow anime

>>13592696
Bruh, it's got anime letters on it...

>>13591300
It's good but not "INTRICATE AND EXTRAORDINARY". However I will forever be salty that its sequel, and not Too Like the Lightning, won the 2017 Hugo for best novel.

>>13592734
Because the artist is chinese you fucking brainlet
this physically cannot be anime because it does not even remotely approach any sort of anime art style

>>13592753
Those aren't Chinese anime letters though, they're Japanese anime letters. I'm pretty sure that means it's a manga at least if not a full blown anime

This edition of /lit/'s containment chamber has reached its limit. Please move to the next one in an orderly fashion.

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