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SF&F CITIES EDITION
>What are the most memorable cities that you've come across in sff literature?
>What are you currently reading?

Monthly Reading for August: TBD

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

Fantasy:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105363.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21328.jpg

Science Fiction:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/def184ad8f/124507.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114401.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21332.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21330.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php


Previously:
>>13549630
>>13539413
>>13529127
>>13520485
>>13511392
>>13497339

>> No.13566352

>>13565958
Is it good

>> No.13566363
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what are some fantasy novels where the good times have been and gone and all that's left are slowly crumbling ruins with a few people left to bear witness?

>> No.13566469

>>13566363
Hello, dark souls fren

>> No.13566595
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Where's the monthly anon?
Why is the thread slave still screeching like a fucking moron?
What should I read?
Why are all good authors dead?

>> No.13566596

The lathe of heaven is fucking must read. I regret bad mouthing Le Guin after reading the Wizard of Earthsea series. /End blog post

>> No.13566622
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Highly recommend this to anyone that likes dying earth as a story premise.

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>>13566338
Are the sequel books for The Waking Fire better than the sequels to Blood Song?

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DISCUSSION TIME

>Did you like the book?
>Who is best "sibling"? (Hint, it's obviously Margret)
>What was the point of the Jack Reach-, eh, Edvin character?
>How did you like the whole keikaku theme?
>Was is autism?
>Any other thoughts?

Also, reply to this post with nominations for next months reading! Some guidelines: Shorter is better. Part of a series is generally bad. If the description makes the book sound absolutely fucking worthless you might want to attach an argument for why we should read it.

>> No.13566994

>>13566338
>cities
New Crobuzon
Chasm City
>readan
The Black Company

>> No.13567004

>>13566363
BotNS

>> No.13567009

>>13566989
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Other_Worlds

>> No.13567010

>>13566596
Quite based blog post desu

>> No.13567042
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>>13566622
Tales from the Flat Earth

>> No.13567050

>>13567042
>>13566622
*Meant to say if you like that you may like this.

>> No.13567071

>>13566989
I liked book
Pothead girl best sibling
Lions were cool
8/10 made me want BBQ

>> No.13567091

>>13566989
>Did you like the book?
I kinda did. It wasn't that good but kinda fun and really easy to plow through in a short time.
>Who is best "sibling"? (Hint, it's obviously Margret)
Can't say I liked any of them. With their different catalogues being such a big deal I feel like more time should have been spent on them.
>What was the point of the Jack Reach-, eh, Edvin character?
Entirely pointless.
>How did you like the whole keikaku theme?
I disliked it. The whole change the past reveal removed any sense of accomplishment and rendered all struggle Moot.
>Was is autism?
Yes. Everyone, including you, me and the author.
>Any other thoughts?
We should read Castle in the Air by Diana Wynne Jones next. It's part of a series but according to Goodreads it reads fine as a standalone.

>> No.13567104

>>13567071
>Lions were cool
Fuck, I forgot to mention the lions. The lions were neat but the whole plot to recruit them was beyond retarded and was probably only inserted into the story because the author wanted to make some kind of animal rights statement. Like seriously, Michael had a pack of tigers and cougars on standby, why did they have to go on a quest to collect two lions to fight 500 dogs? Makes no sense at all.

>> No.13567116

>>13567091
Anon, we don’t read books by women

>> No.13567118

>>13566987
Yes, although the ending is a bit flat. There isn’t a major quality drop off, like Blood Song, but it never reaches the highs that Blood Song hit either.

>> No.13567119

>>13566363
Most of them? The fantasy genre, specially those inspired by D&D, is almost always set in a decadent world, otherwise there are no dungeons and ruins to explore.

>> No.13567130

I think one of the issues with female authors is they write stories the same way they tell stories in person: babbling on and on about inane details instead of getting to the meat of the actual story. I read a short story recently by Andre Norton and it was EXACTLY like listening to a woman tell you a story about what happened to her at work that day; just seemingly endless details about something that could have been told in half the time.

>> No.13567134

>>13566595
>Methods of Rationality
>ok tier
This compromises the whole image.

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>>13567009
>In Other Worlds again
I support your struggle anon but you might just have to let it go.

>>13567071
>8/10 made me want BBQ
Yeah same. Where do you buy a hollow bronze bull grill anyway?

>>13567091
>including you
Say that to my face fucker not online and see what happens

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What read next?

>> No.13567173

>>13567130
Robin Hobb is your grievance personified, and some people love her for it. Me, I think books like hers are the reason people make fun of us.

>> No.13567178

>>13567162
The Stars My Destination
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
Blindsight
The Gap series(for space opera)

>> No.13567204

>>13567162
I've read and liked 3 and 5. So maybe 3.

>> No.13567215

>>13567162
Nice cat. Start with Childhood's End.

>> No.13567236

>>13567119
nah man, everything inspired by D&D just has dungeons as an instrument for dangerous quests with no substance or real backstory. they're always vibrant worlds with thriving cities teeming with different fantasy races living in a happy harmonious society.

>> No.13567297

>>13567116
I am pretty sure almost everyone here has read something by Le Guin
>>13567134
Its better than the vast majority of modern fantasy. Sure its pure escapism, conforming to Yudkowski's fetish of grandiosity and intelligence, but many still find it entertaining.

>> No.13567333

>>13566338

I'm gonna go with the good old Ankh-Morpork, along with Gormenghast if that counts.

Right now I'm not reading anything, I'm actually trying to find a good SF&F book that is written like a history book or some other non-fiction style.

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>>13566338
>>What are you currently reading?

>> No.13567358

>>13566989
>Did you like the book?
It was okay.
>Who is best "sibling"?
Who gives a fuck about any of them? Most of them were irrelevant, and the rest weren't interesting.
>What was the point of the Jack Reach-, eh, Edvin character?
Probably to establish that the rest of the world did exist and was responding to their bullshit even though it was irrelevant.
>How did you like the whole keikaku theme?
Not much. It was unconvincing as genuinely intelligent planning, and therefore pretty much just bullshit. Doesn't really help that there were magic powers and mind reading to make it harder to reason about.
>Was is autism?
Yes.

>> No.13567402

>>13567104
The lions were also unconvincing. They're basically Noble Savages in cat shape rather than animals.

>> No.13567519

>>13557557
Fuck, I see it. Gonna get that changed. Also those are eyes.

>>13557587
>A 20m+ mecha with a pilebunker arm and rocket-propelled cleavers for calves looks like a generic green man capeshit villain
The design pays homage to a lot of things and capeshit is none of them.

>> No.13567595

>>13567519
Does it really matter when most of your audience will see it in the context of capeshit?

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I just finished reading Stanislav Lem's Solairs and His Master's Voice.

I don't want to say it's the most "realistic" depiction of contact with alien species I've ever stumbled upon... but it's definitely the most realistic depiction of what contact with an alien species would actually be like I've ever stumbled upon.

>> No.13567656

What are some NTR kino?

>> No.13567661

>>13567402
>They're basically Noble Savages in cat shape rather than animals
While I did like the lions (once freed, that is) the whole idea that there is no magic, only advanced science, really did not make much sense in the same setting as highly intelligent lions, deer and mice.

>> No.13567665

>>13567595
Yes because I am writing a sci-fi fantasy western with heavy cyberpunk themes for an audience that has a stronger connection to weebshit than capeshit
I get people asking about trigun more often than some random capeshit character that nobody cares about
thank fucking god that capeshit is a dying industry outside of cinema

>> No.13567667

>>13566987
>reading dragon safari

>> No.13567766

>>13567656
The Name of the Wind

>> No.13567792

>>13567665
>I get people asking about trigun more often than some random capeshit character that nobody cares about
Nigga you need to get out of your weeb bubble.

>> No.13567795

>>13567766
someone post that page again please, I always forget to save it

>> No.13567800
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>>13567766
How dare you?

>> No.13567804

>>13567792
I see way more mentions of weebshit online than capeshit
know why?
comics industry is fucked
the only thing keeping marvel alive is the mcu

>> No.13567806

>>13566338
Definitely Armada, the city made from hundreds of pirate ships lashed together in Mieville's "The Scar". Wish he'd return to that setting desu.

>> No.13567807

>>13567766
>kino

>> No.13567809

>>13567795
>YOU MAY CUM ALL OVER HER FACE BUT IT WILL BE MY LIGHT SHINING INSIDE OF HER, YOU TRUMP-SUPPORTING NAZI

>> No.13567828

>>13567661
>there is no magic, only advanced science
I found this entirely dubious anyway. The "science" included the ability to say a couple of words to someone and stop time for them. Also it stops gravity but somehow leaves them floating in place, and also still lets you touch them.
In any case the distinction is entirely academic given the context.

>> No.13567846

>>13567804
I know multiple people that read comics and 0 people who read Trigun lmao. Normies will still read/pirate the classic comics and stuff even if they won't touch the new crapola.

>> No.13567856

>>13567846
Comics industry is on its deathbed
Weebshit industry is exploding
Go woke, go broke

>> No.13567861
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>>13567804
As I said you need to set yourself free from that weeb bubble.
You don't want to be the weeb that wrote capeshit, do you? At least to the vast majority of people not initiated in the deeper mysteries of shitty chinese cartoons but familiar with freaks in spandex.

>> No.13567866

>>13567846
>Normies will still read/pirate the classic comics
No, they will watch the movies and nothing else. Stop deluding yourself.

>> No.13567871

>>13567861
Fuck you nigger I will write about space magic cyborgs piloting giant robots with all the idiosyncracies of super robots
and i will get an infinitely greater number of weebs recognizing the references than capefags because capeshit is dead

>> No.13567878

>>13567866
Do you live in Asia?

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>>13567871
The only thing that drags down this really funny post is realization that you might be serious.
But I hope not.

>> No.13567894

>>13567878
No, why would it matter? No one anywhere is reading capeshit in large numbers, just watching the movies.

>> No.13567908

>>13567891
I give exactly no fuck about weebshit as it is now, but weebs are still more bearable to deal with than capetards

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>>13567795

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>>13567667
>dragon safari
fuck you I like my toys and kino dragon fantasy books

>> No.13567935

people who sit on Thrones of Glass shouldn't throw stones

>> No.13567942

>>13567656

Trysmoon Saga

Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn

Spook's Apprentice

The Farseer Trilogy

>> No.13567944

>>13567931
Thanks. Still boggles my mind.

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>>13567908
No one is talking about how insecure capetards make you, to use your term.
What I am pointing out is that it's far more likely that the prospective reader of your fine weeb works will be a capetard (of the movie kind, those really, really popular ones) and that he will take one look at it and say "Oh-Em-Gee this is just liek in mah movies". Not that it's just like some crappy chinese cartoon.
Which is actually a good thing because it means more readers for you, since the movies did all the heavy lifting.

>>13567931
This is like something out of those "all wimin are whores" threads on /fit.
How horrible.

>> No.13567963

>>13567950
>implying movie capefags give a fuck about or even know what brainiac looks like
also the mecha still looks nothing like brainiac.

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>tfw currently reading a story that features a scene with a magical, detached hand battling mutant spiders
Fantasy is awesome, bros.

>> No.13567981

>>13567950
>This is like something out of those "all wimin are whores" threads on /fit.
The author actually commincates the idea that all women can be whores if they want and that its a good thing. The woman in that page encourages every women she meets to use their body to their advantage in whatever way possible. Kingkiller Chronicles can be summerised as: men dumb, women cant do no wrong so let them fuck every man to get what they want without any other skills besides sex being necessary.

>> No.13567990

>>13567931
>best rated reddit fantasy book
Of course

>> No.13567995

>>13567963
We'll let the capetards decide.

>>13567974
Oh no it's that S&S DYEL.

>>13567981
Now that sounds like something a white knight would post in "all wimin are whores" thread on /fit.

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A new Neal Stephenson book. The first few dozen reviews barely make it past 2 stars out of 5,so I wonder what you folk think of it?

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>>13567995
>Oh no it's that S&S DYEL.

>> No.13568012

>>13567995
>Now that sounds like something a white knight would post in "all wimin are whores" thread on /fit.
isnt surprising.
he had a massive meltdown when trump was elected. like it affected him personally somehow.

>> No.13568013

>>13567981
you have literally never read the books, have you?

>> No.13568016

>>13568013
But that's literally what happens. Someone post the bit from the second book where Denna encourages that noble girl to become a prostitute.

>> No.13568020

>>13568013
Thats literally what happens in the books.

>> No.13568023

>>13568013
Have you seen that one Rothfuss interview regarding Denna?

>> No.13568032

>>13567931
The sequel is even worse. It's so obvious she is a whore and he will forever be a beta orbiter.

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>>13568012
Trump Derangement Syndrome was one of the funniest things that came out of 2016 election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/even-one-of-trumps-favorite-foods-has-a-hidden-russia-connection/2019/07/29/69d594f0-a1a4-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.50103298c496

>>13568010
I don't think you wanna go there fatty. I am pretty sure I can squat your weight for reps.

>> No.13568051

>>13568046
>the turbosperg is an internet tough guy
who woulda thunk

>> No.13568053

>>13568046
>I don't think you wanna go there fatty. I am pretty sure I can squat your weight for reps.
Nice try, blob.

>> No.13568061

>>13568004
I liked it enough. Basically mind-upload “afterlife” that turns into fantasy adventure walk.

>> No.13568066

>>13568016
>>13568020

Denna encourages a girl to be a prostitute because in the setting's time period prostitutes had more autonomy than women in most other professions. Its a basic fact you all should be aware of. frankly you'd think the people who call themselves The Right would make an effort into being right

also, that whole comment about men being idiots is a complete sack of crap. you know as well as I do — assuming ypu actually did read the books — that most of the smartest characters in the story are men. One little exhasperated insult by someone who isn't the main character doesn't erase the whole context of the book. you just suck at reading comprehension

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>>13568051
>>13568053
How can I flex on you guys if you can't even read the training logs?

>> No.13568073

>>13568066
Ok Pat

>> No.13568076

>>13568066
>call themselves The Right would make an effort into being right
literally no one did that in this thread.
the thing is simple. Rothuss is a cuck, infuses his agenda into his books and encouraged others to follow his agenda. regardless of what political leaning you have idiocy and retardism should never be encouraged.

>> No.13568086

>>13568066
Oh I like this.
Subtle, nuanced and with just the right amount of smugness.
You're pretty good anon.

“Call a jack a jack. Call a spade a spade. But always call a whore a lady. Their lives are hard enough, and it never hurts to be polite.”

― Patrick Rothfuss, The Name of the Wind

>> No.13568088

>>13568076
Being the fat neckbeard (wizard beard?) that he is he probably was in that same situation (orbiting some stacy that called him a nice guy but fucked chads) and he actually believed his love was platonic, and that was poured into this two books.

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>>13568072
>How can I flex on you guys if you can't even read the training logs?

>> No.13568099

>>13568088
Shieeet nigga I thought personal suffering was supposed to improve one's art.

>> No.13568116

>>13568099
He's obviously not a great or even average writer. Writers write. This fat fuck wrote two fucking books of a trilogy in 15 years. That's worse than that other fat fuck (but at least he made a fortune with HBO). I don't get how this books got so popular, same thing with Ready Player One. Amazon Best seller, film directed by Steven Spielberg and the book is atrocious. Literally worst writing than Pat and people ate it up like it was the best sci fi book ever. God I hate people.

>> No.13568128

>>13568116
>2/3 books in 15 years
christ
Going by how much I wrote just in the last month and a half, I could crank out two reasonably substantial books a year if i really tried and still have a quarter of the year off
and i'm an amateur

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>>13568128
But would your work resonate with the reddit audience?
https://www.reddit.com/r/KingkillerChronicle/comments/5qd6e8/spoilers_how_did_i_ever_think_denna_was_a_whore/
"(Spoilers) How did I ever think Denna was a whore?"

>>13568116
Maybe you hate people cuz you don't understand them?

>>13568093
Wrong kind of big guy anon.

>> No.13568165

>>13566989

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lud-in-the-Mist?wprov=sfla1

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>>13567665
>>13567804
>>13567856
Why are you so obsessed capeshit?

>> No.13568183

>>13568176
because giant robots are not capeshit
i fucking hate that capeshit is allowed to steal from other genres and then have fanboys act like it did it first

>> No.13568219

>>13568183
But that's the fanboys fault not the writers.

>> No.13568230

>>13568219
capeshit is a cancer because of the fans
at this point the fans became the writers multiple times over
its an industry of masturbatory inbreeding of ideas

>> No.13568242

>>13568230
>its an industry of masturbatory inbreeding of ideas
That sounds a lot like annie-may industry.

>> No.13568248

>>13568242
yes but the murderous japanese work ethic either chews you up in the grinder of moeshit/shonenshit or gives rise to true auteurs that thrive under the pressure of carrying a world on their shoulders

>> No.13568266

/sffg/, what do you think is a better symbol of a character accepting his own insecurities: replacing a broken sword with one made of ironwood, or polishing and sharpening the broken blade?

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>>13568248
>gives rise to true auteurs that thrive under the pressure of carrying a world on their shoulders
Like little girls camping instead of little girls with (or as) tanks, airplanes or warships?

>> No.13568281

>>13568276
that still falls under moeshit

>> No.13568302

>>13568266
buying a gun

>> No.13568309

>>13568266
Having the real weapon within his reach but never putting in the effort to actually get around and make it his own due to lack of confidence.
So, if he had a broken blade before, make him reforge the blade into an entirely new weapon. Make him accept his own person instead of adhering to customs. Have him use a mace instead or a spear (that's done in stormlight, scratch that)

>> No.13568321

>>13568281
But moeshit is the pinnacle of anime!

>> No.13568326

>>13568309
the sword in question is like a smaller version of the one from bleach, so sharpening it into a cleaver would have that effect. it also looks less like the character is compensating for something since its a smaller weapon

>> No.13568349

>>13568266
I would go with repairing and sharpening the sword one has. This symbolizes the necessity of working with what one has. However, you might want to add some clever addition to the reforged sword like a groove to administer poisons or an advanced maneuver to enhance the effectiveness of the character to further symbolize their inner resolve and growth.

>> No.13568354

>>13568266
>character accepting his own insecurities
Modern fantasy is such garbage.

>> No.13568374

speaking of representing character change
in my story, the main character has a full on exoskeleton. His arms have also both been replaced after he stumbled into town with no arms and a piece of heat shielding for a mask, symbolizing that he was given new agency and purpose by the belief of others in what his people used to symbolize.

In the first major fight he got into, the mask got stuck and he forcefully broke the lower half off by opening his mouth and speaking for the first time.

I want to eventually have him suffer serious damage to his exoskeleton where it deforms and impedes him, so he sheds it and exposes his true self to the world at large. Is this a good representation for someone opening up and deciding to fully confront issues with overwhelming will and ego rather than trying to deal with them discreetly and cleanly?

>> No.13568392

How interesting would be a SFF novel with the specific setting that some children up to age (whatever) let's say 15 are able to phase through matter like ghosts?
And the whole society revolves around mind-breaking these children for various things, from noble causes like search&rescue to theft and assassination, all while trying to keep control over them because even 1 lunatic child out of control can effectively murder an entire city in a night, phasing in and out people's houses and simply mindlessly killing, and nobody can realistically detain him because how the fuck do you capture / kill something that can pass through anything like a gust of ghostly wind?

I've had this idea in mind for a long time now, even up to how society would exist, like for example people would rather build wide instead of tall, because it's easier to protect a wide area from these ghost kids than a tall building where everyone is confined within a very limited space. And humankind would develop more towards chemical weapons and wave/sound/shock machinery, as well as turning more towards a martial arts / self protection society where everyone can defend themselves against a random attacker, and guns were never really invented / needed.
It's small things like that.

My main concern is the whole SJW thing, I don't know, I feel like people would get buttmad because "le violence against children" and stuff.

>> No.13568396

>>13568392
change the age bracket

>> No.13568401

>>13568326
Have him try use the sword as a sword to fill in the void of his actual incapability, since the sword is symbolized as noble and true.
And to accept his own persona, he grinds the weapon into a brutish cleaver because he's finally accepting his thick self and the fact that he'll never actually be some posh knight.
In this sense he kinda makes the weapon worse by accepting his flaw, but at the same time he become better with the cleaver because that's his "ninja way"

>> No.13568404

>>13568183
>capeshit is allowed to steal from other genres
Everyone is allowed to do that. Fanboys should be ignored anyway.

>> No.13568423

>>13567162
The children of the sky

>> No.13568427

>>13568392
>My main concern is the whole SJW thing
To be honest they're really overblown. Not being disrespectful but I doubt your novel will get big enough to attract those locusts. There are plenty of novels with fucked up concepts or scenarios but they don't read them because in general those types don't really read at all. They just gravitate towards the trendy book of the month and circlejerk each other on Goodreads. As for your idea, it has less with the concept revolving around children and has more to do with the fact that writing a child oriented cast in a book that (I assume) you're marketing towards adults is general not a good way to go. Unless you plan to use the children as antagonists or plot devices and not central characters, which in that case it sounds fine.

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Any good books where magic is proeminent and imprtant? Like for example Mistborn, magic has a pivotal role in it, you could even say the whole conflict is caused / solved with the in-world magic.
Or even Prince of Darkness. Magic is sorta important but you can say that the main big conflict is basic-based with souls and flesh-crafting and stuff. And even things like setting up a character's story is done through magic (the scylvendi's armies getting shit on by a few imperial wizards)
Basically I hate soft fantasy where the world is like real world only with whack names. I want some hard ass fantasy with DBZ wizards leveling mountains for the heck of it and battling so hard that it created storms and hurricanes and shit. Nobody is willing to write that.

>> No.13568448

>>13568436
people sure do write it
problem is that normies refuse to read it

>> No.13568459

>>13568392
They wouldn't be able to control children, so they wouldn't be able to educate them. I'm dubious you'd be able to develop agriculture in those conditions, never mind industry.
Ignoring that I'd think you'd want to build up rather than out, because phasing through matter while you're 50 feet up sounds like a bad time. Though I guess that suggests other issues, like phasing through the Earth's crust. And what happens if they un-phase part way through something.

>> No.13568468

>>13568436
>I want some hard ass fantasy with DBZ wizards leveling mountains for the heck of it and battling so hard that it created storms and hurricanes and shit.
Why not just skip the middle man and just watch DBZ?

>>13568448
But they do watch DBZ.

>> No.13568479

>>13568427
Well both the main protagonist and the main antagonist are children.
>Unless you plan to use the children as antagonists or plot devices and not central characters
Why though? Why can't they be a main character? Children can be mature, these kids won't be your typical nagging brat, some would be cold, pinpoint accurate aliens practically, after years of conditioning and training and undergoing harsh realities. How do you think a child would develop if he were to be specifically rained to secure data or carry out cryptic messages, or assassinate, or even small things like patrolling?
Kids today are sheltered and quite stupid but think only like 100 years ago, or even today in rural areas where kids learn what work is from a young age. I imagine if these kids were so unquantifiably valuable, they'd go through extensive training both physical and mentally to carry their duties in that world.

>> No.13568489

>>13568479
>young characters with mature personalities and superpowers
>said maturity is derived from conditioning and "mindbreaking"
You just want to write an edgy animu plot and that is okay
Go write your Tokyo Ghoul
and post it here i wanna read it

>> No.13568519

>>13568459
I did say ghost-like. If they phase out they're basically Frodo in a non-world, floating and existing in it and out of ours. But they can still see what's going on in our own world even if they are phased out, and people still see them even if only as translucent shapes.

>They wouldn't be able to control children, so they wouldn't be able to educate them. I'm dubious you'd be able to develop agriculture in those conditions, never mind industry.
I think mental conditioning works. A kid would never grow up to understand the concept of disobeying, and I think violence would never be the way. A child has an inherited need for a protector and a parent, organizations and schools would fill that role, or even their real parents as they'd be employed specifically by the system. The child would see their lives quite comfortable in the service of these schools compared to the "outside world" where it's chaos ruled by ghosts more or less.
Nah, I think with the right conditioning they'll be kept under control.

But the more I write about this story, the more I nee how problematic it would be. This is basically children abuse, it's a tough topic, most people won't accept it.

>> No.13568525

>>13568436
Wheel of time.

>> No.13568538
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>>13568489
Yes
like I said here>>13568519
I see the problem with it. In m mind it sounded better but once I started talking about it, it was apparent how problematic it would be, or even mindlessly edgy and anime.

Oh well, I guess I'll stick to my fantasy hero's journey (not that there's anything wrong with the hero's journey)
I just wanted to develop my other ideas a little bit.

>> No.13568544

>>13568519
>This is basically children abuse, it's a tough topic, most people won't accept it
You seemed to be more concerned with potential audience reaction than you are actually writing your story. There are books and other forms of media with a lot edgier topics than using children as living weapons. Hell it's pretty much a trope in Japan and those kids of series have plenty of fans in the west.

>> No.13568547

>>13568525
I started reading it but couldn't finish the first book. It's unbearably slow. I want something smart and snappy, even though BotNS and Dune are my top favorite stories of all time.

>> No.13568550

>>13568538
I feel like everyone should write at least one hero's journey. It's a timetested schematic that's lasted for so long for a good reason.

>> No.13568552

>>13568436
Coldfire trilogy

>> No.13568555

>>13568436
Mask of the Sorcerer

>> No.13568561

>>13568519
>I think mental conditioning works
I don't see how, when it's physically impossible to control them, and this will be quickly very obvious to the child. Child abuse would be more or less impossible, because kids lack emotional control and pissing one off could be deadly.

>> No.13568567

>>13568436
Most Forgotten Realms novels. The Elminster series for example.

>> No.13568599
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>>13568550
Yep, I do love the hero's journey. Not necessarily the basic farm-boy meets wizard, is sent on a journey of discovery, faces defeat, learns about his destiny, master dies, farm-boy overcomes the struggle and wins in the end. Not the classical part, but the developing portion of a character, whether for good or bad.
And the "master" trope is the best. Protagonist will eventually meet someone that is clearly a "master" but we won't know until much later. And when the "master "eventually shows his true powers and everyone gets hype. I admit that's pretty cool. I especially enjoy me an old man Gandalf (or even Jirayia) who is actually a mega badass that could have, once upon a time, slapped the shit out of the main villain.

Oh, and the second best trope is a villain who is powerful and strong in certain areas but is actually a pathetic creature that, in other circumstances and better times, would have been slapped around like a limp worm.

>> No.13568610

>>13568599
crouching grandpa, hidden badass

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>>13568610
Yep, overdone to hell but it's one of those infinitely comfy tropes that never actually turn sour.
I think, in a multi-part series, the first villain turning to the good side against a bigger villain is an equally comfy and awesome trope.

>> No.13568645

>>13568632
i personally am particular to an early (non-major) villain getting his ass handed to him and eventually coming back way stronger as an ally, showing that he had his own return to glory story going on while the hero had his journey

>> No.13568689

>>13568632
Were all gonna make it brah

>> No.13568699

>>13568632
We will all get our recognition brah
in this life or the next

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Since we're talking about tropes, how overdone is "experiment escapes the research facility" trope and what are actual good books with this trope?
One side character is this basically, and I don't know how to rightly incorporate it into the larger scheme of my novel.

>> No.13568732

Just write whatever you want anons. I'm writing some half assed goofy hero's journey where the protagonist has a massive MILF fetish and will try to bone any half decent lookin MILF regardless of her marital status which obviously leads to plenty of problems. Is it fucking dumb? Of course but at the end of the day it's fun and engaging for me to write.

>> No.13568754

>>13568732
truer words have never been spoken. I actually needed to hear this from someone.

>> No.13568762

>>13568732
>>13568754
Oh and can you post an excerpt? I'm genuinely interested to see what people write here. I've consumed enough "official" books, I think I need new insights into this genre, from people who aren't conditioned by the public.

>> No.13568781

>>13568762
Right now I'm just playing around with ideas so the everything I've written at this point is a jumbled mess. Though I'm sure some other anons here who've written something coherent have no problem posting their stuff.

>> No.13568797

>>13568754
The MILF part or the part about writing?

>> No.13568831

Planned publication dates
Dungeon Deposed 3 Aug 7, 2019
Remnant 2 (October?)
Swing Shift 2 (November?)
Antihero 1
Incubus 2
Cultivating Chaos 2
New Series B 1
Remnant 3
Swing Shift 3
Inc Inc 3
New Series A 2
New Series B 2
New Series C 1
New Series D 1
New Series A 3
New Series B 3
New Series C 2
New Series D 2

So Cultivating Chaos is expected next year?

>> No.13568833

>>13568392
If you're into weebshit, watch Shin Sekai Yori. It takes place in a society designed to stop exactly the problem you bring up.

>> No.13568870

>>13568833
Watched it in response to it. I actually had my idea long before I ever heard about Shin Sekai Yori.
It was very good, I admit. Liked every part of it.

>> No.13568881

>>13568870
Oh, cool. I've been trying to get other people to watch it for years but they give up at the gay forest adventures episode.
>>13568732
This anon is posting truth and facts. Don't write for an audience, write for yourself, and people who enjoy the same things you do will be drawn to it.

>> No.13568888

based MILF anon giving people hope

>> No.13568903

>>13568561
I think I need to do more research and put some thought into this idea. I think it has potential if I am to explore that exact part.
Maybe lengthening the phasing power to adults would offer me insight into some ideas I never considered? Or some other class of humans? Light skinned ones? Dark skinned ones? Only females? Only males? Only left handed people?
Somehow I feel the original "age group" is significant, of more like the "group" part of it. Basically I want to have a certain % of humanity able to do this, and the rest of humanity, with help from a % of that % working to make use and control the larger % of those with this special ability.
The "group" part is significant because there won't be any tangible (get it?) threat to any of it otherwise, and no conflict in maintaining control because when everybody is special, no one is.

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>>13568888

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>>13568888
MILF quads, nice, checked.

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To the guy who asked about books with lots of food in it or descriptions thereof:
If you can handle it, read The Wandering Inn, it's turning more and more into foodporn the further I read as the MC starts getting a handle on her cooking skills.

>> No.13569200

>>13566363
The Black Company. Starts with an evil empire rising to power and the titular mercenaries join forces with them.

>> No.13569227

>>13567519
I meant the triangle with dot thinga made it look like a brainiac robot. That is how you recognize them. They have a three pointed triangle.

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I'm looking fir a short story I read as a kid in a library book, it was about an entity that lived off the ghost- or spirit-energy if the dying.
The story explained how it came ti be in some swamp and at first only took the energy of insects and such, but one day it found something like a dying dinosaur and when it took its energy its mind, power and size expanded by orders if magnitude. It soon expanded over the whole planet, then leapt the space between solar systems and engulfed other planets capable of bearing life, but after it engulfed the whole galaxy, it realized that it grew too big for its own good and even though it consumed the spirit-energy of the whole galaxy, it would soon die from needing more that which was provided.
Cananyone name the story? It's making me crazy not knowing and multiple google searches came up empty. The story is really just a few pages long, if I remember correctly.

>> No.13569549

>>13569547
Damn and blast my fat fingers when typing on my cellphone

>> No.13569624

>>13568436
>battling so hard that it created storms and hurricanes
Mercedes Lackey

>> No.13569668

>>13568004
Love Stephenson but this one was a let down. His extended universe and internal references are cool but by the end I just didn't care anymore.

>> No.13569753

>>13566595
>Why is the thread slave still screeching like a fucking moron?
The fuck are you even on about, did you forget to take your pills again?

>Worm, PGTE
>god tier
Yikes anon.
Badly written cape shit aside, PGTE is the single worst thing I've ever read. Nothing worse than a hack writer that cannot decide if they're writing a parody or not. The constant shifts from bog standard coming of age fantasy story on one page to trying too hard to be edgy and different from "standard fantasy" on the next one was infuriating to read.

MoL was ok, shoddy prose though even for a web novel.

>> No.13569847

hello where are the dickgirls

>> No.13569882

>>13569847
Kim Stanley Robinson's 2312

>> No.13569943

>>13566595
I liked The Games We Play, and I followed it from the first post to the end. However, the daily posting was not kind to it. You know you've got a problem when several chapters have less than a second of realtime in-story passing. Unironically, half the word count or more could be cut with minimal loss of meaningful content. I did enjoy the shift from sort of normie/neet MC to completely disconnected from normality and alien worldview (literally). I've read it three times in total, with a lot of skimming. The lore and world building are pretty cool too, since I've not really encountered Hindu/Indian mythology in fiction. There's so little RWBY that it would be a lot better if the word count was cut in half, and all the RWBY content was cut/sanded off to be published as an original work.

>> No.13569971

>>13569753
Not the original poster, but MoL is written by an ESL-kun. I'd probably order that list like so:
MoL
WtC
TGWP
TWA
HPMoR
APGtE
Pact
Purple Days
The Gam3
Wandering Inn
ISSTH
The Good Student

Not read:
the rest

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>>13566338
I love these kinds of vertical cityscapes where you can't see the ground.

>What are the most memorable cities that you've come across in sff literature?
Hard to pick one. A lot of the cities in Wheel of Time stick out in my memory. I can recall their general shape, even names of districts. Part of that is just because of how long characters would spend in some of them. None of them in particular stands out as "the most" memorable though. If I had to pick a singular city that I think of almost immediately when I think of a series, it would either be Luthadel from Mistborn, or Darujhistan from Malazan Book of the Fallen.
>What are you currently reading?
Pic related. Enjoying it a lot more than I expected to. It's refreshing to find a new author that isn't another GRRM wannabe. Since it's a stand alone novel the pacing is also fairly quick and I've yet to hit a slow part despite its 800 or so pages.

>> No.13570026

>>13566363
Malazan Book of the Fallen has that feel. You feel like you came in at the tail end of something grand and are watching the last embers burn out. Whether its empires, races, or gods or entire worlds, everything is dying.

>> No.13570029

>>13568547
Try the Black Magician Trilogy.

>> No.13570030

>>13568888
Witnessed

>> No.13570033

>>13566338
>What are the most memorable cities that you've come across in sff literature?
The city from the novella "A Year in the Linear City".

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I am currently writing a fantasy novel. I hardly think it's great but I find it fun and am hoping its at least an enjoyable read.

What are some common tropes and other pitfalls I should be wary of when writing in this genre? My world is basically a typical D&D inspired world, with a few twists.

>> No.13570056

>>13569130
>>13568831
Go make your own thread, fat neckbeard incels

>> No.13570059

>>13570056
dilate

>> No.13570093

>>13570052
Give the BBEG an actual motivation to be evil.

>> No.13570096

>>13570056
What's wrong with food?

>> No.13570100

>>13570003
Read the back cover, saw that book was being praised for it's feminism, immediately threw it back onto the shelf in disgust

>> No.13570142

>>13570093
What if there isn't any BBEG? Is that an issue? The synopsis of the story is basically

>Royal Blacksmith kills crown prince of Renaissance-era kingdom (Baldur) after years of frustration
>Flees to another kingdom (Belfrie) which is melting pot of races, more late medieval in technology
>Three years later, unlikely group of adventurers are hired as bounty hunters by Baldur special forces to capture the Blacksmith, alive
>The guy who is apparently head of special forces is actually the Blacksmiths best friend
>Group goes through a whole bunch of shit to eventually get the dwarf, a few twists along the way including one of the party members actually being a demon summoned by a blood pact made by king of Baldur to kill the Blacksmith
>When party returns Blacksmith to Baldur special forces, they are betrayed, fight ensues
>Best friend of Blacksmith is killed, Blacksmith is injured
>Party ends up contacting King of Baldur themselves to claim the bounty
>King of Baldur comes to Belfrie, executes the Blacksmith himself
>Epilogues of what each party member did with the vast wealth they received, some pursue noble causes, some not so much.

Obviously a lot of details are missing there but that's the basics of it. I'm currently 20k words in but have a full scaffold and structure that I am following.

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>>13568732
Based

>> No.13570206

>>13570100
It actually feels way less feminist than the last book by a new female author I read, The Poppy War. That book was like super condensed screaming primal fury feminism. This book feels more like "grrrl power" feminism from the 90s, and there's enough else going on in the story that it doesn't feel overbearing. That could change later on since I'm still in the first half, but so far it feels more like an interesting story that happens to have some "girl power" angles to it, which I find tolerable.

The Poppy War's ending was so over the top it borders on ridiculous though.

>> No.13570216

>>13570052
Avoid theme park feudalism at all costs. If you don't know how feudal societies work don't try to write one, it's embarrassing to read. Put some thought into how society is organized. Who rules? How did they come to power? How do they maintain order? Answer these questions then start filling in stuff, don't just take medieval fantasy staples as a given with peasants and knights and kings and then try to build around it. It always comes off half assed.

Also if you want to write exciting pitched military battles, read up on military history so you know what you're talking about. Don't be another Abercrombie.

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Finished Murderbot diaries #2, I'm sick of him being pic related, it's the solution to everything and this is not how good action/scifi books are written, fuck.
Book 1 is good though.
Ah searching for my next book to read is a hassle.

>> No.13570293

/sffg/, I am continually revolted by the pointless cruelty, baseless pride and intentional ignorance of the average person. Are there any books where I can get my catharsis?

>> No.13570298

>>13570274
#3 and #4 are even worse. It's a good premise but the writer is too much of a hack to do any justice to it.

>> No.13570321

>>13570274
I forgot to give you a rec, check out Hospital Station by James White.

>> No.13570336

>>13570293
Do you mean works that may restore your faith in humanity?

>> No.13570366

>>13570336
works where the villains suffer more than the sum total of all the suffering they caused

>> No.13570529

>>13566989
I just bought "Dragon's Egg" so let's read it.

>>13568165
>tfw I left my copy on a fucking airplane

>> No.13570548

>>13570142
I would like to give this a try anon

>> No.13570598
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Moraine is my /sffg/ waifu

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>>13570598
We all know who the official /sffg/ waifu is

>> No.13570611

>>13570606
I would cuddle Ursula and talk to her about anarchism

>> No.13570619

>>13570611
I like her story about how she met her husband. Cute.

>> No.13570623

>>13570606
what a lesbo

>> No.13570629

>>13566363
Lord of the Rings

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>>13570598
Conan is mine.

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>>13570548
Here you go anon. Like I said, I don't think it is anything special; it needs a lot of refinement right now but I hope you at least enjoy it :)


https://www.dropbox.com/s/93qmdmksze4kzpn/The%20Bounty%20of%20Barthin%20Steelforge.pdf?dl=0

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>>13570059
>Stretch boipucc
Says the faggot that beats it to dick girls and elves and shit

>> No.13570727

>>13570598
It's Moiraine you dumb shit.

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>>13568732
And then after he becomes a hero he comes back to his home village and fucks his buxom witch mom,right?

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>Call a jack a jack. Call a spade a spade. But always call a whore a lady. Their lives are hard enough, and it never hurts to be polite.

>> No.13570764

>>13566363
Mistborn

>> No.13570779

>>13570744
This both looks and sounds like a Xanth book.
>>13568732
>>13568781
Keep working on it, man. I for one would love to read some once you're ready to show us your work. Unabashed ecchi fantasy seems to be outside the domain of traditional publishing nowadays.

>> No.13570780

>>13570623
She was a mother of three though

>> No.13570795

>>13570748
The implication being that whores are not deserving of respect but you should treat them with such anyway? There's a festering ugliness in this statement.

>> No.13570798

>>13566989
>>Did you like the book?
Turned out pretty good.
>>Who is best "sibling"? (Hint, it's obviously Margret)
Marcus?
>>What was the point of the Jack Reach-, eh, Edvin character?
>>How did you like the whole keikaku theme?
Wasn't too bad, nice little hints.
>>Was is autism?
Something like that.
>>Any other thoughts?
It had a really slow start.

>nominations
Nation - Terry Pratchett

>> No.13570847

>>13570682
When i read it i'll tell you what i think anon . Thanks

>> No.13570853

>>13570795
But whores are not deserving of respect what are you trying to say anon ?

>> No.13570869

>>13568165
Just a heads up, Lud-in-the-Mist is on the verge of being to well known/read in the thread. It's featured in the selected fantasy chart and I've seen discussion and recommendations of it during the recent months. If we get more eligible nominations I'll probably disqualify it.

>>13570529
>Dragon's Egg
By Robert L. Forward? There's like 5 different books with that name.

>> No.13570873

I need something good in audiobook form, guys. Job is killing me.

>> No.13570879

>>13570869
>By Robert L. Forward? There's like 5 different books with that name.
Yeah, the relevant 80's hard sci-fi one about neutron star aliens.

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Why are so many fantasy novels so fucking bad?
No I don't care about your stupid magic system you spent 2 years developing to 'make sense'.
No I don't care about those wacky animals with ineffective limbs the characters casually points out for no apparent reason.
No I don't care about the long-long history of who's and who.
No I don't care about how capable your unique red haired protagonist is and how much sex he gets and how it is not self-inserting at all.
No I don't care about these places with dumb names that means nothing and that the characters or book will never mention again.
No I don't care that females are just as strong as males even though it does not make sense at all.

>> No.13570943

>>13570890
I'll bite: What DO you care about then, anon?

>> No.13570953

Benn trying to read The wheel of time to see what all the fuss is about but I seriously can't stand it. The first book was so-so, but the second was terrible and I have been stuck in the middle of the third book for a month now. Is it worth to power through or should I just drop it? I heard the series gets better, but I would rather die than having to read more of this meandering filler

>> No.13570967

Has anyone ever written a communist dragon?

>> No.13570968

>>13566989
>OMG tacos haha
It was boring self satisfied nuFiction

Neuromancer or Snow Crash

>> No.13570970

>>13569753
Someone complains about the OP rec links in every thread, and rightly so. No one has said anything in its defense. So why the fuck do those Brent Weeks links remain?
>Worm, PGTE
It sounds like you have misunderstood what PGTE tries to achieve. It becomes very clear at some point that it is not a parody, despite parodifying certain tropes. As Catherine grows, her action gradually shift from falling into the same old cliches, to conscious manipulation of them, and outright breaking them.
Worm starts off mediocre, probably because that was the first thing Wildbow ever wrote. But it becomes continuously better, is great by the S9 arc, and peaks at the end. I mean you may not like it, but you should at least admire the depth of the setting, and good characters. Its miles better than Marvel or DC or any of that shit.
>>13569943
desu exactly my thoughts. I only read it after the lies we tell got announced (where the fuck is it?), but the RWBY setup is kinda pointless. The too-many-words is something almost all webnovels suffer from, so I can deal with it. Still, a fun story.
>>13569971
Decent list, anon. I would order them like this:
MoL
WtC
APGtE
Pact
HPMoR
TGWP
TWA
The Gam3
Purple Days
ISSTH
Wandering Inn
The Good Student

>> No.13570977

>>13570943
Good story pacing, conflict and interesting dialogues. Which is scarce beyond belief in fiction. There is a reason why novels from the 1800 still stands to test the modern authors ability to create a cohesive story. They simply are not eloquent, creative and poetic enough make a piece of art that impresses. Fiction writers, especially American ones, are too focused on being a niche to hook and bait the readers. There is nothing good coming out from a lazy fat American writer because they know neither suffering, wisdom or experience of hardship.

>> No.13571036

>>13568392
Actually, Isaac Asimov's The Gods Themselves features an alien civilization with phase shifting child beings which have sex in trios

>> No.13571049

>>13570953
>I heard the series gets better
Wat. Actually it gets worse.

>> No.13571052

>>13571049
Well apparently books 4-6 and also 11-14 are good

>> No.13571104

>>13571052
I personally find 1-3 to be the best. During 7-10 (approximately) nothing at all happens. 11-14 however are the absolute worst in the series, because of the author shift the writing is jarringly different. While I'm kinda fond of the series because I read it as a teenager I would not recommend anyone read it, it's a huge waste of time.

>> No.13571154

>>13571104
Well the only reason I have been meaning to read it is cause of how often I see it talked about, hell even spotify recommended me a few wheel of time songs, like "the flame of tar valon" but I mean, is this really it? How come so many people like this? I understand the appeal of things like marvel movies or romcoms but this has me flabbergasted. Should I just drop it?

>> No.13571164

>>13566596
You have convinced me to check this out.
Thank you anon.

>> No.13571168
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GUYS
GUYS
sadpanda is back

>> No.13571208

>>13568436
Sabriel

>> No.13571227

>>13566989
Shit book. Too fucking american. Just count how many times the word "american" is used. Knowing every single language perfectly the characters still use "american" for all the human population.
Explosions fuck yeah American Military fuck yeah. Also felt like a Malboro commercial.

Hated Erwin the mathematical genious, army veteran, war hero, movie star, teacher, special agent, hillbilly(but just pretending lmao), makes friends with the president in 5 minutes mary sue piece of shit.

>> No.13571252

>>13571154
>How come so many people like this?
People have shit taste.
It's well known so many read it as their first longer series.
Many read it when young, giving them fond memories of it.
When you spend half a year reading a series you're bound to form some emotional attachment to it, regardless of quality.
>Should I just drop it?
I'd say so. You've given it a chance and did not like it, there's no point spending the rest of the year reading a series you do not enjoy.

>> No.13571279

>>13571252
that's kind of a shame though, I was hoping to read some good longer series. Is Malazan any good?

>> No.13571280

>>13571227
>Erwin
Oh yeah right, that was his name.

>> No.13571284
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13571284

i want to read a book about mermaids doing shenanigans and doing adventures. anyone help me find one?

>> No.13571308

>>13571284
Just jerk off dude.
Get it off your chest before you start posting here.

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>>13571308
no i want to read a book about mermaids.
its no different than reading one about elfs and dwarfs or whatever.
im sorry that youre such an angry person.

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>>13571360
It's okay nigga, I understand - you need some weird fucked-up shit to get off. Kinda like that actor from Simpsons. It's a tough place to be in.
I am just pointing out that this general is really not the place to go looking for fap material.

>> No.13571460

>>13571445
post fe

wait a minute..

>> No.13571478
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Finally finished The Night Land. Damn, that was beautiful.
>a man in broken armor, that did carry a maid forever

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>>13571445
im sorry youre such a closed minded person with such a suppressed sexuality that you cannot help but have neurotic outbursts that project your own sexual fear shame and hate onto other people which drives you to try to suppress valid discussion of fantasy themes in a fantasy thread. your life must be a poverty of negative emotions. i will pray for you.

>> No.13571649

What's a Kutherian gambit? Anyone ever read anything on that? Anything good on it?

>> No.13571682

>>13571478
based

>> No.13571711

>>13571284
Only book I can think of featuring mermaids is artifex by gentry race. It's indie and one of -those- books. I haven't finished reading it so I can't tell if it's good.

>> No.13571845

>>13566596
LeGuin is best

>> No.13571888

I just want to read a book with, no extreme sexism but no sjw agenda either, no autistic worldbuilding to the point to dying of boredom, a good captivating plot or arcs at least, some original fresh style or substance, you know just any cool shit?

Does such one exists /sffg/ ?

>> No.13571892

>>13571888
Doesnt matter fantasy or sci fi.

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>>13571553
The things a man will say for fantasy fish pussy.

>> No.13571947

>>13566338
Are there any realistic and dark fantasy books out there where women aren't infantry? Serious question. I've read Gardens of the Moon and bitches are running around wearing full trimmed rune armour and nobody's raping them.

>> No.13571982

>>13571925
who is she? i love her?

>> No.13572026
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>>13571227
jealous of our freedumbs

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>>13572026
USA!
USA!
USA!

>>13571982
Do your own Internet stalking dude.

>> No.13572204

Ji Ning is about to fuck up all these Kings on the Crescent World

>> No.13572229

Why are elves such sluts? Jesus fuck these bitches have magma pants. They are always hot and wet for a sticking. Why do people write them so slutty? Is it because when faced with eternity, the only way to beat boredom is to become a slur?

>> No.13572240

>>13571947
>and nobody's raping them.
Let them be caught in battle and see what happens.
I like when guys go to rape the girl and sbe willingly spreads her legs, he thinks something is up and decides against it, but the girl pulls a reverse uno and forces herself onto him.

>> No.13572244

Where are the cradle fags?
It's the second of August and no new uncrowned for me to read.

>> No.13572267

>>13572229
What elves are you talking about, specifically? I know a couple, maybe, like that, but I don't see a big pattern here.

>> No.13572272

>>13572229
stop reading self-published smut

>> No.13572400

>>13571947
>bitches are running around wearing full trimmed rune armour and nobody's raping them
Because they also do the raping.
But it's not like woman in combat don't get raped in the series.

>> No.13572446
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13572446

Are there any modern fantasy writers who actually write female protags that are likable? And actually written as a female and not a man with tits?

>> No.13572514

>>13571154
Just read the Mat and forsaken chapters. Skip the girls and werewolf fag.

>> No.13572684

>>13572446
>man with tits
What does this even mean, you moron? A woman has to exist within some preconception of yours or she's not a woman?

>> No.13572691

>>13572684
all women have to act like modern bipolar roasties or they are the dreaded "she-man" trope

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>>13566595
>Webnovels
>Harry Potter
>Wandering Inn
You don't belong here

>> No.13572738

>>13572684
>>13572691
Are you roasties really this retarded?

>> No.13572786

>>13572738
Shut the fuck up retard

>> No.13572816

>>13571888
Meryvn Peake Titus Groan/Gormenghast.

>> No.13572825

>>13572446
Terry Pratchett Witches series

>> No.13572828

>>13572446
frazetta don't play brehs

>> No.13572835

>>13572786
Bitch, you stupid lol

>> No.13572879

>>13572720
>Imagine gatekeeping in a general where Randi Darren is among top 5 most talked about authors

>> No.13573024

I think the main problem with most modern female protagonists isnt that they're tough girls, its that every single one of them is a tough girl. the missing element is not femininity but variety. Give me a female protagonist who has a sense of humor. Give me one who's a dumbass, or who tents her fingers because all is going according to plan. give me one who's a violent alcoholic, a shrinking violet, or a starstruck fangirl. anything for the sake of variety

>> No.13573178

>>13570890
>No I don't care about how capable your unique red haired protagonist is and how much sex he gets and how it is not self-inserting at all.
Where you reading Wheel of Time again, anon? We warned you about that series.

>> No.13573201

>>13573024
NO!
all portrayals of female in writing must be submitted to the political commissars in the feminist/media classes. every female character must check every box in the list handed down to us from our moral and intellectual betters who have taken 2 undergraduate classes in gender studies. there is ONE acceptable female personality, and any deviation from that is misogyny.

>> No.13573202

>>13570890
>soft magic system
>no useless animals with useless limbs
>no retarded history dumps
>no fug for MC
>no retater names
>ayylmao females are stronger, bigger, and more aggressive than males because because sexual dimorphism
>body shape is a nonfactor in humans when anyone with enough credits and the proper certs can get a custom-built body strong enough to punch through walls

i did it lads, my novel is not shit

>> No.13573220

>>13573202
Great! Now you just have to write it.

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>>13573201
The fantasy is lost!

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>>13571478
>that final stretch between the House of Silence and the Pyramid

>> No.13573231

>>13573220
Already 19k words in

>> No.13573265

>>13573231
Anon please. It's one thing to ask me to believe someone here is "writing" a decent novel. It's another to ask me to believe that they're actually writing it.

>> No.13573269

>>13572720
What's wrong with Wandering Inn?

>> No.13573280

>>13570890
Stop reading modern fantasy.

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>>13573269
>What's wrong with Wandering Inn?

>> No.13573296

>>13571888
Vlad Taltos

>> No.13573298

>>13573265
I never said it was decent, just that it lacked the traits that other anon mentioned as being signs of a shit novel.

It's a cyberpunk western with fantasy elements. MC is a transhuman with a body so heavily customized it doesn't even have any factory-made parts to identify. Crashed ship, damaged memory banks, driven purely by his own moral compass and inherent desire to be something.

So he becomes a western hero. Because of course he does.

>> No.13573333

>>13573285
Cool answer, bre.

>> No.13573347

>>13573269
Some people (not me) consider too long a series a chore instead of enjoying the scope and sheer worldbuilding
I'm not calling these people brainlets but lets say some people enjoy READING more than others.
TL DR: LONG BAD

>> No.13573357

>>13573296
Sounds Hungarian therefore it must be bad.

>> No.13573648

>>13573202
>credits
And it's shit.

>> No.13573664

>>13572446
How do you even write likeable females without her being a sex object or man with tits?
Are there even genuinely likeable females?

t. incel

>> No.13573666

>>13566338
>tfw poor as fuck student
>tfw this general gives me a new book to read every month

>> No.13573681

>>13573648
I refuse to ever call my sci-fi cryptocurrency anything-coins. At least "credits" is a simple term without any underlying connotations.

>> No.13573683

>>13573298
Are you the lizard guy with the armless robot?

>> No.13573689

>>13573683
who else in this general would unironically write cyberpunk western

>> No.13573696

>>13573689
I ask because I liked that excerpt

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>>13573696
the answer is yes
though the MC is a human, not a robot.

>> No.13573855

>>13570744
Is that what happens in this book? Asking for a friend.

>> No.13573882

>>13573855
Not as far as I can tell.

>> No.13573895

>>13566989
I nominate Babel-17/Empire Star by Delany. Ada Palmer rated it 5/5 so it must be something special.

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>>13573664
This Red Sonja novel I read does a pretty good job of having a likable chick protag who isn't a sex object or a man with tits. And even though she has the typical RAAAAAAAAPE backstory she isn't a man-hater; she even falls in love with a man in this book.

>> No.13574079

>>13573855
Sadly no,they have a wholesome relationship and he helps her getting a new bf because she hasn't date anyone since the mc was born.she is a buxom hot witch tho.

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>>13571711
>Only book I can think of featuring mermaids is artifex by gentry race. It's indie and one of -those- books. I haven't finished reading it so I can't tell if it's good.
idk what "-those- books" means.
thnx for the info tho anon.

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13574497

FUCK FEANOR
FUCK NOLDOR
FUCK HURIN AND HIS CHILDREN
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY
FUCK THE VALAR
AN FUCK ERU

>> No.13574515

>>13574011
>female protagonist with a lover
into the trash it goes

>> No.13574522

>>13572244
It got pushed back. October is the new month to wait for. But this is an actual official release date, rather than April fools theory crafting.

>> No.13574556

>>13574515
You need to work on that reading comprehension, anon. I said she falls IN LOVE with a man; not that he becomes her lover. In fact part of her backstory is she can't physically love a man unless he bests her in combat.

>> No.13574562

>>13574556
>she has sexual feelings for another man
into the trash it goes

>> No.13574621

>>13574562
Okay, weirdo.

>> No.13574624

>>13573347
Wandering Inn anon, stop false flagging / pretending. We it's you praising the series, and no one else.
Take your never ending webnovel with you.

>> No.13574629

>>13573666
>tfw you can go to the sticky and get any book you want
End your education now, because it's not helping you.

>> No.13574638

>>13574473
>>13571284
>>13571360
Mermaidfag. You do know that real mermaids would be bald and nasal cavities set up in a way to conduct sonar.... right?

>> No.13574724

I read the main Foundation trilogy and liked it. Are the other stories just as good?
I preferred the earlier stories' jumping narrative to the constant MUH MULE stuff towards the end though
Also, I got totally bamboozled about the Mule's identity but it was blindingly obvious where the Second Foundation is

>> No.13574728

>>13567931
>I started donating more to her patreon and during her intervals at Bunny Palace I made sure that all the subscribers know that new videos will pop up as soon as she gets back; I contacted the performers, scheduled shoots, bought better equipment and double-rinsed all the plastic.

>> No.13574736

anyone got latest abnett book?

>> No.13574759

>>13574624
More than one guy reading it. I just broke into book 3.
Still no explanation why you (?) posted reaction images.

>> No.13574772

>>13574724
In my opinion the other foundation books are better than the main trilogy. Read Prelude to/Forward the Foundation, then remember what happened in the main trilogy, then read Foundation's Edge, then finish it off with Foundation and Earth.

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>>13573855
Perhaps

>> No.13574781

>>13574759
>why you (?) posted reaction images.

>>13574624 no image
You what?

>> No.13574783

>>13574624
Wrong, we are at least 3 people who liked it. Again, it has to be related with length, I have't started Malazan or the Wheel of Time but I noticed most people hated they were so long. I doubt most people gave the wandering inn a chance for the same reason and they didn't even try it and they shit on it, like you. For a second time; some of us enjoy reading.

>> No.13574784

THREAD WHORE

>> No.13574803

>>13574724
The later Foundation books are good but they're more long-form continuous narratives. They're also a bit stylistically different since Asimov wrote them three decades later after the scifi boom in the seventies. One of the prequels is really good and the other is just decent and I can't remember which is which because they have interchangeable names.

If you want more jumping narrative stuff by Asimov, you should definitely read I, Robot if by some chance you haven't already. Or just read his short stories; dude wrote an absurd amount of short stories.

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>>13574772
Many thanks, friend

>> No.13574814

>>13574784
chill,we still on page 2(two)

>> No.13574825

>>13574805
if you read prelude to foundation it wouldn't hurt to read the Robot books,since they are connected and have le ebic references

>> No.13574828

>>13574803
>if by some chance you haven't already
Literally the only sci fi I read is Star Wars books as a kid and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, I'm trying to bone up on my reading
I Robot is definitely next anyway
>Asimov wrote them three decades later after the scifi boom in the seventies
Did he update the technology or is it all still nuclear-powered hijinks with flight computers that take days to plot a course?
>>13574825
I'll read I, Robot afterwards

>> No.13574846

>>13574828
>Did he update the technology or is it all still nuclear-powered hijinks with flight computers that take days to plot a course?
The computers are beefed up and a bit more prominent but there are no glaring retcons that I recall. You can handwave it as the Foundation advancing tech.

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Please rate my OC

>> No.13574859

>>13574847
whose dat

>> No.13574887

>>13574783
Anon. I have no problem reading self contained long novels, or a story that is 1k page long (I'm sure I read more doorstoppers than you). But I will not read one never ending book that has at least 11k pages and counting.

>> No.13574903

>>13574859
Morgoth Bauglir and the three silmarils

>> No.13574923

>>13566989
I nominate
An Unattractive Vampire by Jim McDoniel

>> No.13574924

>>13574887
That's your prerogative (even though they are mostly self contain stories in their own way, following different characters in the same world), but if you don't give it a try, then sure as hell can't say it's shit just because it's long. I enjoyed it and some other people here did, that's why I recommend it when people ask for recommendations, that's all.
>(I'm sure I read more doorstoppers than you)
No. You did not. Because you see, I didn't like Worm and at least I stuck to it to half the webseries, because
I
Like
Reading

>> No.13574925

>>13574859
>>13574847
He cute

>> No.13574947

>>13574924
>reading for the sake of reading
wew

>> No.13574958

>>13574924
>I Like Reading
kys only retards and children enjoy reading

>> No.13574962

Why is it that if the sales pitch for a book starts with the protagonists name it's almost always the sign of a shit book?

>> No.13574982

>>13574962
The story of Oliver Twist - orphaned, and set upon by evil and adversity from his first breath. After running away from the workhouse and pompous beadle Mr Bumble, Oliver finds himself lured into a den of thieves peopled by vivid and memorable characters - the Artful Dodger, vicious burglar Bill Sikes, his dog Bull's Eye, and prostitute Nancy, all watched over by cunning master-thief Fagin. Combining elements of Gothic Romance, the Newgate Novel and popular melodrama, Dickens created an entirely new kind of fiction, scathing in its indictment of a cruel society, and pervaded by an unforgettable sense of threat and mystery.

>> No.13574989

>>13574962
>Bob Dicknose just wants to be a normal kid. He wants to make good grades, get on the sports team, and maybe get the attention of Lady icknose across the street. But all of that is going to get a little bit harder when a mysterious man in a pointy hat knocks on his door.

>> No.13575000

>>13574962
>Harry Potter thought he was nothing special...
Yeah, I know what you mean

>> No.13575032

NEW
>>13575016
>>13575016
>>13575016
>>13575016
>>13575016

>> No.13575070

>>13567042
>Chapter 1
>Lord of the underworld buttfucks a 16 year old boy
No thanks bro

>> No.13575095

>>13574724
Really? The stories with the mule were the ONLY intriguing ones in the entire trilogy. Could barely power through the first book.

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Two questions:

What are some really good fantasy short story collections? Multiple writers. The only good one I've read is Swords and Dark Magic.

Second question would be if any interesting new author showed up in 2019 - my favorites are Wolfe, Malazan guy, Abercrombie and a short story from CJ Cherryh, not her sci-fi. Oh and Glen Cook.

>> No.13575423

>>13566989
>>Did you like the book?
Really liked it. Although I tend to like a lot of things, so I’m not sure how much my opinion counts here.

>>Who is best "sibling"? (Hint, it's obviously Margret)
Hard to say, since we didn’t really get to learn too much about them. Math dude, I guess. Or Carolyn for keikaku reasons.

>>What was the point of the Jack Reach-, eh, Edvin character?
No idea. Felt Mary Sue-ish but I still liked rooting for him.

>>How did you like the whole keikaku theme?
Really enjoyed it, though I usually enjoy that sort of plot. It was fairly obvious early on that Carolyn was behind everything, though I’m surprised I didn’t see the Father twist sooner.

>>Was it autism?
yes :^)

>>Any other thoughts?
I pictured Father as the guy from Kids Next Door. It worked pretty well, I think.

>> No.13575429

>>13567162
Fall of Hyperion. (Don’t read Endymion.)

>> No.13575439

>>13567162
>>13575429
Wait sorry I misinterpreted your post. Hyperion (then Fall).

>> No.13575460

>>13568004
haven’t read it, but reviews say that the first half is fantastic ideas while the second half is mediocre story because Stephenson realized that he has plot to write, which sounds generally par for the course. Honestly, if Stephenson just wrote worldbuilding without any meaningful story or plot to go along with it, I’d be super down.

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Unironically Stormlight, but since you mentioned Mistborn I’m gonna assume you’ve read it