/lit/ - Literature

>>13551143
Leftist are environmental determinists, it's a core aspect of their doctrine.
It's like saying: where do i find a Christian theologian who is an atheist

>>13551143
>>13551143
All you can do is devise a way to stimulate intelligent people to reproduce. (((They))) are already promoting the counter and have been for a long time...

>>13551215
Not really, i can believe race is real and that intelligence(which's a tremendous important thing in a hyper capitalist society) varies between races, and still want to destroy capitalism. I think you're confusing it with marxism.

>>13551143
Leftism really is nominalism married to the construction of political machines. If they acknowledge reality they're dropping nominalism and inhibiting their production of political machines.

>>13551259
Destroy capitalism for what reason?

>>13551143
This isn't quite what you wanted but Reviving Ophelia is essentially a feminist realizing that kids need structure.

>>13551143
the usual counter discussion is that socio-economic factors contribute more to iq than opponents would accept/acknowledge, and that even if there were racial differences it's a matter of policy just like it is towards sexual differences in intelligence which I don't think anybody denies
the people on the left that tend to deny the science are highly politicised sjws that have found niches within niches, usually it's lefties in places like europe that are the ones doing the research and writing social policy on these findings

>>13551259
Not the same guy, but I have a marxist friend who is probably the biggest racist and anti-Semite I’ve come across.

marxists believe in the idea of historical materialism.
if it was scientifically proven that certain races cause damage due to certain actions a marxist would investigate and try to find a solution (by looking into the materialist causes to such problem) instead of just leaving it to be or creating ethnic conflicts.
look at how hoxha solved most of the problems with religious fanatics and how the USSR tried to get rid of shitty central Asian traditions without totally destroying the culture. so far in the last century leftists are the only ones who addressed "race" (more like culture) problems successfully which made ameritards and anarkiddies lose their shit over muh freedom of speech.
btw lynn got btfo'd several times because he believed lighter skin tone equals higher iq.
he claimed southern Italians have an iq of 70-80 when statistics have shown that there was no difference and that some southern Italian regions even have higher iq scores. he did the same mistake in japan and southern asia and he never accounted for other factors or had data to support his claims

Even if there were an ethnic IQ, I do not think the world could handle knowing that there was one.

>>13551143
who gives a fuck? what is the "problem" with racial IQ differences? you should oppose all policies (positive or negative) that target a group of people based on race

let people qualify for things based on their own merit (or lack thereof) if you're going to give/deny welfare based on someone's IQ, why discriminate on race as well?

>>13551215
I don't agree -- the core of leftism is that people have the right to consume independent of what they are able to produce. So if they think one group is able to produce less due to some genetic deficiency, they will advocate for that group's rights more rather than less.

>>13551366
Why shouldn't one discriminate based on race?

>>13551240
Stimulating intelligent people to reproduce won’t help when we’re this outnumbered by the stupid, an ethnic cleansing of africans is necessary.

define what you mean by "leftist"

>>13551366
Why should we oppose policies that target people based on race or similar categories? We can make many facilities and institutions more efficient by treating people as they should be treated. It's a matter of economics, we could have agencies like the TSA strip search every single person that comes through the airport but that would cost too much, both in terms of money and the passengers time and there's really no point in searching 90 year old ladies if your goal is to stop terrorist hijackings. It's much more cost effective to generalize and stereotype and focus on the types of people are more likely to hijack planes.

It's the same deal with policing. It's not worth devoting the majority of police resources patrolling white affluent areas because they don't commit a lot of crime in comparison to black and Hispanic areas. I can think of a thousand examples where it makes sense to discriminate but I can't think of any rational reason why we shouldn't.

>>13551436
Lmao
Actually Jordan Peterson is a leftist who acknowledges racial differences in Iq

>>13551456
he's about as conservative christian as it gets

>>13551143
Peter Singer wrote a short book about this, can't remember the title though.

>>13551406
Honestly both need to occur...

>>13551456
>>13551436
>>13551468
how do expect to have a meaningful discussion if you cannot even come to some kind of consensus as to what "leftist" means?

>>13551468
Jordan Peterson is pro-choice, pro gun control, supports the separation of church and state, pro immigration, pro drug legalization, pro gay marriage, pro government healthcare, and believes wealth inequality is a problem. He is not a conservative in any sense.

>>13551406
>only jews should be allowed to reproduce
I wonder who's behind this post..

>>13551366
Regression to the mean is the obvious problem there. The fact is that populations are divergent, and pretending they aren't and that they have no right to prioritize their in-group is a misguided (and tragic) project.

>>13551494
What? Is this some malbrained lefty thinking I’m some sort of intelligence elitist? Africans don’t reach the necessary bar of intelligence to support modern society.

>>13551512
Nah youre still gonna need dumb people, some of the last jobs projected to be automated are some of the trades

>>13551512
expand on that, what is modern society and what about it is so high intelligence dependent

you guys realize that IQ is down and violent behavior is up because ghettos get tainted water, right? lead poisoning does that to people. if the government started putting black kids in middle class homes before they could get fucked up by the water, they would grow up to be just as normal as white people
it's not biological, it's fucked up infrastructure

>>13551580
We have grown to an immense and unprecedented population because of technological innovations brought about by a higher iq society, the low iq put that at risk. It’s also just not fair to the rest of us to have to support black people.

>>13551396
What's your justification for doing so? It's fine to have an in-group preference and join the proud boys or whatever but on the level of policy/law/business what's the purpose of being purposefully antagonistic to your own countrymen?

>>13551450
Nothing to do with IQ or domestic policy. You should absolutely use every correlate when it comes to security. Often times race won't be the best one though, and denying some black guy parole for a non-violent crime cos his "fellow" nogs have high recidivism rates is obviously unjust. But yea sure strip-search a guy, its a few minutes off his time, well worth it.

>>13551632
Rich black kids are more likely to go to prison than rich white kids but I know you have an excuse for that too

>>13551650
>Rich black kids are more likely to go to prison than rich white kids
unambiguously false
>but I know you have an excuse for that too
I don't need an excuse to ignore false statements, just as one doesn't need an excuse to say that 2 + 2 is not 5

>>13551143
“IQ problem” is real, but you are too much of a coward/brainlet to face it.

>>13551632
you need to do more research, not only the lead theory was disproved (as in, black communities had no more significant lead than white ones, and the lead is quite low since the 90s), but other theories such as education, were also disproved. black adoptees scored the same as non adoptees, that is, 85IQ. black kids adopted into high middle class families had no more IQ than blacks born in the ghetto.
100IQ blacks though, have the same stats as white, basically. same income, education, social mobility, etc etc

>>13551645
IQ matters in terms of education. Regardless of whether blacks IQ is genetic or a result of environmental factors, they have a significantly lower IQ. The problem is we treat them as we do everyone else, and it hurts them and everyone else because when you put stupid kids into a classroom that isn't tailored for them, they become a distraction for the normal kids who don't need special services. As it is now schools are accused to discrimination if they put too many black kids in special education and many leftists support busing low IQ black kids into majority white schools even though they don't live in the white district.

The fact of IQ disparities between blacks and white is itself a rational justification for some types of racial segregation. Black will be happier and better served in their own schools and maybe down the road they won't need them anymore.

>>13551215
>Leftist are environmental determinists
Isn't Race environmentally determined?

>>13551689
>you need to do more research
yes, you do

>>13551508
You're 100% free to choose who you associate with, and some leftists would complain there's plenty of institutional in-group prioritisation by old white men.

You should certainly prioritise certain skills for certain jobs, your scientists should be high IQ, regardless of what skin colour they are. And judge people on their cultural values, if you hate a black intellectual simply cause he's black you're just an asshole

>>13551695
No. The child of two black parents isn't going to be white just because they're born in Canada.

>>13551708
what kind of answer is that though? anyway, you can see more of the research:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
check the sources, there's a ton of studies there that pretty much proves the black/white gap is genetic.

>>13551731
>he unironically links to Wikipedia

>>13551486
>and believes wealth inequality is a problem
I've never liked these types of statements because they're open to interpretation, but I'll give you this one
>pro-choice
his position is definitely nuanced and I'll agree that he's pro-choice but he does not like abortion at all (has said that it's immoral and wrong, and that wrong things should be illegal) and would prefer anything else over abortion, not exactly a controversial view for conservatives
it's also worth remembering that of the developed world it's only american conservative christians that largely consider abortion to be murder, what is conservative in europe or canada when it comes to abortion is not conservative in america
>pro gun control
another topic that is going to be skewed heavily by american politics, every other country in the world that allows its citizens to own guns looks almost authoritarian in comparison to america and in such countries being in favour of (existing) gun control generally doesn't go against conservative mantra
he has said that he doesn't think reactionary gun bans will stop shootings in america, it doesn't seem like this would go against conservative mantra in canada
>pro immigration
on what little I've seen he has taken the 'immigrants are educated and skilled and require less welfare' approach, not controversial for conservatives
>pro government healthcare
don't know enough about canadian politics to really address this one but if it's anything like europe then this isn't a controversial opinion for conservatives at all
>pro drug legalization
more of a libertarian/liberal than conservative viewpoint but there are plenty of small government conservatives that would rather tax or legalise it than spend tax dollars on fighting it, he's also canadian mind
>pro gay marriage
again probably more libertarian/liberal than conservative but there's plenty of small government conservatives that question government involvement in marriage in the first place
>supports the separation of church and state
not controversial for american conservatives at all despite being a liberal value

you make a compelling case against him not being an american conservative, I don't know enough about canadian politics to say for sure but would you accept a downgrade to centre-right? he is most definitely not a lefty though

>>13551750
uhh, wikipedia is just a summary of its sources (or at least, the good articles should be). attacking the main test just cause "m-muh i don't have other arguments" is simply pathetic. you won't get out of this one easily, my nigga. please read the sources and educate yourself.

>>13551757
I'm not reading this autistic shit. Stop greentexting.

>>13551692
So set up a retard track that failing kids go to, to receive your troglodytes of all races, instead of indefinitely holding people back grades.
You could try to teach them some trades in the retard track at the same time.
Or if you feel the need to not bother with the tests and segregate a priori, set up an honorary-white track that'll send some bright kids to college. Otherwise you are just being a racist for emotional reasons instead of rational ones.

>>13551767
quoting shit you said is different to greentexting you fucking retard

>>13551757
bruh

>>13551761
>please read the sources and educate yourself
I already have. you're the one stuck in a free-to-edit tertiary source that still considers chaos magick to be a """"""""""fringe theory""""""""""

>>13551794
You're quoting and responding to individual sentences and it's something only retarded people do. That's why I don't read them. If you don't have the ability to respond to multiple things at a time without resorting to that then I'm not interested in what you have to say.

>>13551695
In a sense yes.
It is sub-speciation due to geographical isolation.
Though in the context of leftists, they think that all of the differences in intelligence and behavior are due to the environment that the specific person grew up in. Not genetic differences that emerged in the last 100'000 years due to different selective pressures being present in different environments.

>>13551788
So do you agree that IQ can have something to do with domestic policy? That's the point, I don't give a shit about schools.

>>13551486
He’s a conservative by modern standards. Main feature of conservatism is conceding more and more ground to the left over time. But he represents the conservative thesis of “do yourself” vs the lefty “gimme”

>>13551817
IQ, sure, but not race. That’s why there’s no “IQ race problem”, if the race is full of retards let nature take course, but you can’t tar them all retards and deny them opportunities to prove themselves just cos of some dumb cousins

>>13551838
You call him a conservative because you want him to be a conservative. He doesn't believe what conservatives believe, he doesn't identify as a conservative, he's not a member of any conservative organization, yet you insist on calling him a conservative for no rational reason. This is stupid.

>>13551863
But you also agreed or at least didn't dispute the point I made about it being okay to discriminate against certain groups of people in terms of policing. IQ is a way to identify groups that should be treated differently. If the majority of black people are low IQ, it makes economic sense to treat the group as if it's low IQ.

>>13551143
The difference between individuals is greater than the difference between groups.

>>13551359
Most of the world accepts it by default.

>>13551757
What does being a conservative even mean?
All those positions were leftwing a couple of decades ago.
He is at best center left if not a full on progressive who just doesn't like calling trannies with special pronouns.
What a fuck clown world that we live in.

>>13551813
look I can accept that it's an autistic thing to do but you didn't give me a lot of ways to respond appropriately when you listed off a bunch of stereotypically liberal things that aren't necessarily against conservatism, healthcare, abortion, and gun control have the most merit there but the latter two are heavily biased by american politics so a response to those points will depend on whether you're more american or canadian

>>13551887
The differences among individual zebras is greater than the difference between zebras and humans

>>13551881
It would be simple enough to say he’s a Canadian conservative. Hence some different beliefs from American cons (healthcare, guns) Other things like gay marriage, pro choice, weed are lost causes there since Canadian liberals have been moving faster than US ones. I thought most of these would be lost causes in the US as well but georgia’s abortion ban was a welcome surprise.

>>13551895
Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

>>13551907
Why the fuck should I account for European politics in a conversation about an American? I don't care what Europeans consider conservative.

>>13551881
When a cop or TSA agent stops you they’re taking a couple minutes of your time. If you pre-select all blacks to shit schools you are squandering all the non-retard blacks for irrational reasons. Just let them fail some tests first, it’s good PR

>>13551917
Meant to reply to >>13551872

>>13551931
The nonretard blacks aren’t common enough to consider. As a whole blacks are a net negative.

>>13551931
Nobody said anything about pre-selecting blacks and sending them to shit schools. In the majority of cases I want to segregate them from white schools and send them to their own schools which are tailored for their needs and culture. We're not helping black people by busing them out of the ghetto and into affluent neighborhoods and expecting them to act like a white kid and have the same values.

>>13551642
>be African
>live in shamnistic, tribal society
>village raided by rival tribe
>taken prisoner and marcherd to the coast
>white man walks up to your cage and buys you
>survive treacherous oversea journey and arrive in North America
>survive seasoning
>family survives in totally foreign society as slaves
>finally emancipated
>still work for shit pay
>still not educated to this foreign society's standards
>4chan faggot blames you for ruining 'high iq' Western society

>>13551968
As a people, the Jews suffered far worse than blacks. Stop being retarded.

>>13551924
he's canadian dipshit

>>13551944
In your very limited experience it may be so
>>13551957
>tailored for their own needs and culture
This is worse. There are limits to how much of a parallel society you can make when you’re all part of the same economy. What’s their school gonna teach? Hip hop beat making? The problem is letting them get away with thinking you’ll let them have their own “culture” and share in your material wealth. No they can either integrate or lift amazon boxes for food. Making exceptions and treating them differently only prolongs your problems. Culture is the entire problem - notice how immigrants from Africa can become entrepreneurs and otherwise integrate well. Even your northern blacks were culturally white until the southern blacks moved in and exacerbated racial tensions.
>not helping black people by busing them out
Worked for that chick on the dem debates who dissed grandpa Biden (assuming she has an actual career and didn’t get to where she is purely by identity politicking)

>>13552002
Which is a country on the American continent.

>>13551968
The jews literally suffered worse than that and they're 115IQ. There's no excuse. It's simply a fact of nature.

>>13551977
>>13552016
>comparing any other race to the race literally chosen by the creator of the world
the most blatantly false analogy I've ever seen

>>13551968
You mean white people bought you from your nigger slave owners, gave you better life conditions than you could have ever had and emancipated you.
But you still complain like a faggot and live like a parasite instead of thanking for the privilege of living in a white society.

>>13551977
>>13552016
>Jews thrive in a society that they not only were apart of for centuries but also helped shape
Shocking.

>>13551957
>>13552009
I mean otherwise your solution just seems to be “out of sight out of mind”

>>13552029
I mean their ancestors did suffer but they are certainly reaping the benefits today. Most of the world are desperate to be Americans

>>13552041
They helped to shape because their high IQ. They faced as much restriction as blacks. They literally couldn't have normal jobs for fuck sake. Blacks when slavery ended were free to do pretty much what they wanted.

>>13552029
>be me
>family keep me in the basement
>don't let me go to school, give me barely any food
>know barely any English
>one day suddenly get a room
>treated like a normal member of the family
>also held to sibling's standards
>"HAHAHA WHY ARE YOU TALKING SO STUPIDLY"
>"HAHAHA WHY ARE YOU SO MALNOURISHED LITERALLY JUST EAT"
>"HAHAHA WHERE ARE YOUR TABLE MANNERS"
>"HAHAHA YOU DON'T KNOW BASIC MATH"
>"WE LET YOU OUT OF THE BASEMENT AND YOU'RE STILL LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE BETTER CONDITIONS YET YOU COMPLAIN, YOU DON'T THANK US, IT'S LITERALLY YOUR FAULT, YOU'RE JUST LIKE THIS NATURALLY"

>>13552029
>sold into slavery
>slave masters release you
>'thanks for savinge me!!'
Not surprising that an Anglo would think all races are into being cucked.

>>13552057
Blacks were performing better in school and committing less crime before desegregation and welfare.

>>13552051
>free to do whatever they wanted
A lot of them became share croppers and worked on the farms they were enslaved on for a pittance. Mainly because Southern blacks had no career path in the South. Jews had a very specific place in the West as money lenders, teachers, and bankers. I don't doubt the gorrillions of Jews killed throughout history, but the society in which Jews lived in was far different from that of Africans.

>>13551921
Yea but 4chan says it's spam so i pasted it here https://pastebin.com/YE7L0e6v

>>13552057
Invert racist baizuo detected

>>13551968
>>be African
Low iq
>>live in shamnistic, tribal society
Low iq
>>village raided by rival tribe
Low iq
>>taken prisoner and marcherd to the coast
Low iq
>>white man walks up to your cage and buys you
Guess you had some physical worth
>>survive treacherous oversea journey and arrive in North America
Good genetic viability
>>survive seasoning
Good genetic viability
>>family survives in totally foreign society as slaves
Low iq
>>finally emancipated
Low iq
>>still work for shit pay
Low iq
>>still not educated to this foreign society's standards
Low iq
>>4chan faggot blames you for ruining 'high iq' Western society
Low iq

So that settles it, they’re closer to animals than people.

>>13552155
>Guess you had some physical worth
nothing to do with IQ, slave buyers did not select for intelligence

>>13552155

>the smart Africans didn't get put on the market since their societies didn't want to lose them
>the few smart and average intelligence ones didn't get sold since the whites didn't want slaves that were capable of escaping
>the worst of the worst get on the boat and go to America
>pointing at the descendants of these sub 50 IQ primitives and saying "SEE!! WHITES ARE THE BEST RACE!!" while immigrants and non-Americans act as walking, talking refutations
>white Americans too dumb to realize the error of their judgement, black Americans dumb in general because of their ancestry
is America a brainlet magnet?

The summer that never ends.
gonna see you in 2 months /lit/

>>13552248
Blacks in mainland Africa are ridiculously less cognitively capable than the ones in America. If anything, the white admixture, plus good environment, made American blacks to be better than the African ones. It's why they have achieved a few things artistically in music, for example.

>>13552259
We have this thread every day, summer or not.

>>13551240
chinks behind ashkenazi's have the highest IQ and they have no problem breeding like rats

can we take the realistic pragmatic approach instead of shitting out ideals and theories?
race [x] has a problem.
creating tension might lead to a civil war, exterminating race [x] is counter productive and impossible so we are left with either ignoring the problem until it goes away or try to fix problem.
no one is funding a research that will lead to a slight improve in the productivity of workers from [x] race so we are left with ignore until it goes away

>>13551726
That's a nice platitude, but westerners were lied to by their governments when they were told that immigration reform wouldn't profoundly alter the racial demographics of their nations. Since then, their in-group preference has been the target of aggressive indoctrination with the aim of destroying it. What does 'freedom of association' really amount to in that context?

It's telling how you on-the-sly imply that in-group preference is bad, that race amounts to only skin colour, that culture is somehow independent of race, and that preferring and preserving your own people involves hating others.

>>13551887
Bullshit. You only get that result by comparing relatively few loci. When you increase the number of loci sampled, you find that members of an ethnicity are much more similar to eachother as they share a similar distribution of many alleles. It's also worth considering that not all gene variants will have equally profound impact on manifested divergence, and so treating all loci as statistically equivalent is also a fallacy.

>>13551259
What are you even talking about, I'm a Marxist, also ethno differentialist, but Marx had absolutely nothing to do with races.
>>13551265
Because it steal the life of wage workers away? >>13551338
Marx didn't really like jews and congoids. So you friend is legit in being both Marxist and racist.
Marxism is about an acute critique of the Capital. Not about loving diversity.

>>13551650
>Rich black kids are more likely to go to prison than rich white kids
racism 101, one gets bail while the other doesnt for the same crime, you see young rich white rapists get off all the time (scott-free sometimes even)
what a joke desu

not racist, just don't like em. simple as

>>13552882
>I'm not racist, but [thing that is literally, unironically racist]
come on, at least own it, stop being so insecure

>>13551143
I’m pretty right wing, have read the Bell Curve, and I get that a lot of critiques of IQ studies are motivated arguments that are mainly political in nature

Having said that, can we talk about Taleb’s point that the measure is largely uninformstive and is only really useful for very low-IQ people (where many measures would suffice) and almost uncorrelated for high-IQ individuals. In essence, people pretend IQ has a linear relationship to outcomes when it’s actually a multi-slope function with several likely break points. I’m becoming more convinced the IQ-psych discourse is misleadingly uninformative

Article: https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

>>13552953
the first based anon in the thread

>>13552953
Taleb was fucking humiliated when he started speaking out about this.

>>13552788
>marx didnt really like jews
Marx was jewish

>>13552953
Finding a few noisy charts and making blatantly false claims ("many people get yuugely different results for the same IQ test (I mean the same person!), up to 2 standard deviations") doesn't invalidate the mountain of good data on IQ. The truth is it's a strong proxy for general purpose computational power of the human brain. That's obvious if you know how the tests work. If you don't think that's a useful quantity to know you're insane.

>>13552953
https://youtu.be/fSXYhnrwjQE

>>13552953
I would challenge Taleb to find a single whiff of a correlation between reading his books and income.

>>13551143
Race exists for two reasons. Will to be distinct and will to survive.

>>13552953
i cant believe you guys still embarrass yourself like this on here, read literally any of the IQ literature. Christ this isn't twitter or reddit, but you still act like mindkilled retards trying to affect some social standing on a website filled with pedophiles and nazis, that is fucking anonymous, you won't ever be held accountable for what you say, but you still act in this lying retard fashion. Immensely fucking tiring.

this thread is the stupidest thing ever to exist

>>13551468
He has Nothing Christian Nothing conservative And nobody gives a fuck about your psyops here.
You glow in the dark.

>>13551632
>What is Sub-Saharan Africa?

>>13551663
Unambiguously True.

>>13553701
Your slut face is the stupidest thing to ever exist.

>>13551921
Just listen to any honest person in a rural place

>>13553776
False.

>>13551322
>the usual counter discussion is that socio-economic factors contribute more to iq than opponents would accept/acknowledge
How much? We have adoptive twin and voucher studies(for socioeconomic condition and school quality influence) to show it and it shows that IQ is more heritable than it isn't(heritability at 60%).
>it is towards sexual differences in intelligence which I don't think anybody denies
Maybe a year ago there was some MEP who said women earn less because they're dumber and everyone and his dog was outraged.
>usually it's lefties in places like europe that are the ones doing the research and writing social policy on these findings
European anthropologists, especially eastern-european are more likely to acknowledge biological race differences than American ones.

>>13551366
>who gives a fuck? what is the "problem" with racial IQ differences? you should oppose all policies (positive or negative) that target a group of people based on race
Well good, now let's stop arguing for welfare programs because there's a "RACIAL INCOME GAP" or some other shit.

>>13551215
This isn't true at all. It's a contingent fact about the modern American campus left. I have ultraleft positions (anti-market, anti-nationalism), but I think conservatives are mostly right about the empirical facts behind race and IQ. I just disagree with the political conclusions they draw from them.

>>13553831
>>13553776
>>13551663
>>13551650

>>13552953
>Taleb’s point that the measure is largely uninformstive and is only really useful for very low-IQ people
His point is false.

>IQ

Brainlets leave

If you tards accept this as "science" then saying "transgenderism is a mental illness" is science denial as well.

>>13554181
I’m more than willing to believe that the desire to transition is legitimate and caused by real suffering. I only think that what is required to accommodate trans people is too great a strain on society to be worthwhile.

>>13554181
>Trans people are the brains of one sex trapped in the body of the opposite
>Dementia causes their brain to revert to the birth sex
hmmmmmmmmm, big think.

>>13554181
There's nothing scientific about gender ideology. The distinction made between gender and sex is a philosophical assumption with no biological basis.

>>13554181
>3 genetically unrelated children develop gender identity issues, only common factor is the adults raising them.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

>>13551143
What are some rightist books/thinkers that view problems holistically as opposed to just repeating crime statistics over and over again like a Buddhist mantra?

>>13554181
>"transgenderism is a mental illness" is science denial as well
???
How can it NOT be a mental illness? The notion itself is totally absurd, if transgender people were healthy, they wouldn't need to be medically treated. As treating someone (especially to the degree of their treatment, intentional bodily disfigurement) who is not ill can be nothing then very severe malpracticeby medical professionals.

Clearly, these people have a disagreement between external and internal reality. If that isn't a mental illness, nothing is.

>>13551663
>unambiguously false
Do you have any data?
It would be downright idiotic to answer a question so directly without having seen the evidence.

Because, at least according to Alt-right Fake News Publication, the Washington Post it is unambiguously true:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/?utm_term=.294e405a47cd

>>13554269
yet somalians aren't retarded so the statistic is obviously wrong?

>>13551265
I'd have no problem with capitalism if it didn't destroy the environment

>>13554404
Exactly.

Think about it, if they were retarded, then it's likely that their homeland would be impoverished hellhole where they can't even grasp sustenance farming, full of internal strife and endemic famine. A lot of African countries have average IQ in 60-75 range and as we all know, no such things take place in Africa, the continent is peaceful, rich, net agricultural exporter with high tech industry - if it was any different, all these people from other, more primitive parts of the world wouldn't risk their lives trying to come there.

>>13554404
The issue with retarded people is not just that their iq is low.

A better question:

What is the leftist solution IF race realism is correct?
Race realism along the lines of:
>blacks can't build or sustain a first world civilization due to their genes

>>13554404
You watch too many movies.

You can be of very low intelligence and not retarded.

>>13554528
why would a legit leftist care about sustaining first world civilizations?

>>13554528
Isn't that literally the same question as the op.

>>13554544
>being so afraid that you can't even accept the question without purposefully misrepresenting the meaning

I think you very well know understand the implication of the question, that blacks would be incapable of sustaining any civilization/peaceful/functional society whether it's democracy or communism or anything that isn't primitive basic tribal tier.

You're too afraid to even tackle the question in an anonymous image board, this is how internalized the fear is.

>>13554553

No it isn't, the OP question is about the inability of leftists of accepting or even entertaining the question.

I'm asking what would leftists do if race realism was correct.

>>13554540
Then what's the point of just using I.Q. when there are clearly other factors at play? You've immediately provided more insight and nuisance in one sentence than Molyneux has in his entire career.

You can say "well obviously X is also a relevant factor" but rightists never seem to do so until their clinically retarded ideas are backed into a corner and now they are forced to widen the scope a little bit.

>>13551977
Jews are the cause of their own suffering. We were nice and attempted to permanently end jewish suffering.

>>13554572
This is an anonymous imageboard, can you be frank for just one second, do you believe there's no genetic component in intelligence and behavior when comparing a somalian and a japanese?

Can you answer honestly?

>>13552057
>All black people are one person

You are a special kind of retard.

>>13554591
>do you believe there's no genetic component in intelligence and behavior when comparing a somalian and a japanese?

No, I believe there is. Now I guess it's time for guys like OP to just point the finger and go "ah-ha!" and post tired memes all day.

After nearly a million of these threads, I have yet to see even been an attempt to try measure this component and then weigh it against other factors that might relate to whatever /pol/ says is black people's fault this week.

>>13554572
The point he was inartfully making is that very low IQ whites often have comorbidities that give them classic signs of retardedness, like Down's syndrome. They'll have funny looking appearance and poor hand eye coordination, low socialisation etc. in addition to not being able to handle novel situations or do basic math. Low IQ somalians mostly won't have those comorbidities, they function physiologically perfectly fine, they just can't work out basic math problems or think of solutions to novel problems.

>>13554617
Read

>>13554427

>>13554617
>or think of solutions to novel problems

At that point they wouldn't even be able to pick up a stick and get out of the ooga booga stage let alone hijack modern tour ships

>>13554610
Then you aren't following the research. The reason IQ is considered the explanation for black failure, is because it persists even after countless environmental interventions, from adoption studies, to voucher studies, to sports studies (that is, kids of black sportists who enjoy good education and wealth are still low intelligence) black IQ simply doesn't raise. It doesn't matter if a black kid grows up in the ghettos or in a high class white adopted house. His IQ will still be low. And IQ predicts so much of your behavior is ridiculous. It's highly correlated to wealth and crime, for example. It's up the the environmentalist side to propose an environmental cause that hasn't been tested and proved to be false.

>>13554572
>but rightists never seem to do so
Because it is irrelevant.
If I tell you "this substance causes" cancer, will you then go on to say "How dare you not mention that X also causes cancer".
It's down right retarded that you believe that mentioning that "X causes Y" requires you to also discuss how "X1, X2, ... XN causes Y too".

If you want to discuss why something is good and bad, you put forth reasons why it is good and why it is bad, it would be idiotic to go on a huge discussion for every point why this bad thing is also caused by other things.

>>13554637
Robbing people at gun point is hardly a novel problem for blacks.

>>13554568
I mean, you're just wrong about that though

>>13554639
That's the worst fucking example I've ever heard. Smoking by itself doesn't cause cancer, it's just one major contributing factor that scientists are constantly weighing up, researching and testing against others. At no point have any of you faggots actually tried to compare I.Q. against other potential issues, assuming that race is the smoking in this case and not something else entirely. I wouldn't know, because the only example that fits this narrative is The Bell Curve because lets face it, the kind of people who research this kind of thing aren't exactly intellectuals.

>If you want to discuss why something is good and bad, you put forth reasons why it is good and why it is bad

That would be awesome, too bad it's just one reason and one reason only which is offered because it's a simplistic explanation that white retards bellow the standard 100 mark can follow along and meme about.

>>13554662
We know race is the issue from studies like >>13554638 mentioned.

>>13554637
You're just proving his point then. They're obviously not retarded, but they're also not fit for modern civlization when THAT is the solution they come up for their problems.

>>13554662
Are you legitimately retarded?
You demand that to talk e.g. about "Black people commit more crime", the right wing has to engage in a discussion about ALL the factors that are involved in crime.
But this is absolutely, full on retarded.

>At no point have any of you faggots actually tried to compare I.Q. against other potential issues
Did you meant to say that "the right" never compared race to other factors, such as income, or education?
I mean, firstly that is plainly false and secondly its irrelevant, to the question of "Do black people commit more crime" or the discussion about eg. "is not wanting to live in a black neighborhood evil?".

>too bad it's just one reason and one reason only which is offered because it's a simplistic explanation that white retards bellow the standard 100 mark can follow along and meme about.
Yes, but you are making the discussion impossible, because all you do is demand that "the right" discussion UNRELATED causes for crime.
You do not put forward a case why "people should want to live in more black neighborhoods" or anything similar, all you do is try to invalidate arguments of "the right".

>>13554676
If he'd >>13554638 cite any sources for his grand claims about black IQ being static, perhaps we would. But he has not, so we do not.

>>13554662
>At no point have any of you faggots actually tried to compare I.Q. against other potential issues,
Family income and incarceration is compared here >>13553902
pic related compares county level average family wealth.
Everytime crime is raised as an issue the left says it is due to economics - poor people commit crime because they have to in order to survive. This is wrong, or at least not the primary cause. Low IQ and impulsive and aggressive behavior, caused by high testosterone and the 2R MAOA allele, are the main drivers of crime. This is also moderated by environmental conditions, like lots of illegal guns, drug trade, police presence, 'culture' like rap, but given the identical environment whites will commit fewer crimes.

Leftist here.
I have converted 4-5 people out of race realism.

AMA

Also blacks commit more crimes because they are poor.
Whites ravaged Africa, that's why Africa is poor.
There is subconscious racism that keeps blacks down.

Literally the answers are simple it's just racists keep doing mental gymnastics to avoid reality, because they just hate brown people.

>>13554764
Damn this is revolutionary

>>13554693
You just have to include a million caveats with every statement and i'll totally be ok with your ideas :^)

All group of humans in this planet have the exact average intelligence and behavior when put in the same environment.
Period.

>>13554764
>Also blacks commit more crimes because they are poor.
Are you fucking retarded?
Do you NOT KNOW that there are a million other factors influencing crim, you know that education also has an affect RIght????

How can you be so very narrowly minded??????????????

>>13554638
>IQ is highly correlated to wealth
no it isn't.

>>13554790
Do you have a Study showing that?
Also do you accept evidence from the far right, Neo Nazi publication "Vox":
https://www.vox.com/2016/5/24/11723182/iq-test-intelligence

>>13554782
racist spotted, kys nazi

>>13554721
He doesn't need to, because IQ itself is static.

>>13554805
IQ is just about education.

>25% of janitors and truck drivers have a higher IQ than 25% of college professors and lawyers

>>13554822
That is irrelevant to the question of whether or not IQ correlates with income.
Also "Vox" disagrees, are they Nazis?

Contrapoints btfo'd race realists
*mic drop*

>>13554827
Evidence?

>>13554836
The only thing he BTFOd is his dick..

>>13554822
Wrong, studies such as the Minnesota Transracial Adoption studies, Swedish Adoption studies, vouch studies, have all shown that education matters little if at all. Black kids adopted by high class whites showed no improvements on IQ at all. The swedish adoption study concluded that adopted asians (south koreans), from homeless shelters and such places, had an IQ HIGHER than native swedes. Black adopted kids showed no improvement.

>>13551143
>that realize that the race and IQ problem is real
>No racists though
You're asking for a contradictory person. The "race and IQ problem" is bullshit. If a person "realizes" it, they're racist.

>>13554764
If blacks commit crime because they're poor then why don't we see the same criminal behavior in populations in similar economic circumstances? I'm sure you're going to say something about slavery and discrimination and if this is the case, why were blacks performing better in education and committing less crime before desegregation and the welfare programs of the 1960's?

>>13551240
Alas, it seems like being intelligent isn't good enough to pass as an evolutionary strategy.

>>13554845
subconscious bias is a real thing
those rich white families probably didn't pay enough attention to black kids.

>>13554843

>>13554860
[citation needed]

>>13554847
this, race is made up and so is IQ

>>13554860
Are you referring to the unconscious bias studies which even the creator no longer holds as valid?

>>13551259
Then again, if you were intelligent enough to want to destroy capitalism, you'd also be intelligent enough to know that racism is just a thing greatly promoted by the elite to divide the working class.

>>13554865
>citation for subconscious bias
>there has to be a citation otherwise it's false
You're essentially saying the subconscious isn't a thing.
The absolute state of righties

>>13552953
>Taleb's point that the measure is largely uninformative and is only really useful for very low-IQ people
Yeah, finding people with low cognitive abilities is literally what IQ is for. I don't know why people still don't know this.

>>13554832
IQ doesn't correlate with income in any statistically meaningfully way as literally any mathematician can tell you, and there's one study IIRC which actually does find a relationship with people with higher IQs getting into financial difficulty by racking up massive debts. You can Google Scholar or SciHub this, people have been looking into it for decades

>>13554870
He probably got pressured by some rich right wing billionaire.
>inb4
No, right wingers fight dirty, they are willing to do anything to win, coercing one person is literally nothing to them, they do genocides for nothing lmao, wake the fuck up

>>13554877
You have to show that subconcious bias is a thing and that it plays a part hindering IQ growth and that is a thing exclusive to blacks.