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Would Plato have been a Christian?

>> No.13546767

Yes.

>> No.13546770

>>13546761
aquinas was literally the reincarnation of plato.

>> No.13546773

>God in human form
No

>> No.13546776

In the modern day, probably.

>> No.13546778

>>13546761
No, but he'd probably be catholic.

>> No.13546779

Christ would have been a platonist desu

>> No.13546783

>>13546761
They would have killed him if he didn’t

>>13546770
That would make him a Buddhist

>> No.13546785

Is Plato in heaven?

>> No.13546789

>>13546779
If he only had an education. Poor provincial carpenter.

>> No.13546790

>>13546761
No. He would have found it absurd that a man could be god

>> No.13546794

>>13546761
Yes. Christianity is the ultimate conclusion of tripartite Platonic thought and would have never existed without it. God bless Christ, God bless plotinus and God bless Plato.

>> No.13546798

plato would have definitely been a hermetic

>> No.13546800

Plato hated Jews and said the Pentateuch was garbage.

>> No.13546801

>>13546789
This fits perfectly with the Socratic archetype, brainlet and philosophical illiterate. Kill yourself.

>> No.13546812

>>13546800
So did Christ. He was not Jewish as he born of divine parthenogenesis. God chose this as his birth place to confound the wise.

>> No.13546823

>>13546761
More like a Hindu if Plotinus was right about what his ideas were

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>>13546812
>muh god isn’t a jew
100% he is.

>> No.13546832

>>13546824
Paul defeated this

>Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things

>> No.13546836

>>13546832
What do you mean?

>> No.13546844

>>13546836
You don’t understand what that means? Are you fucking retarded or something?

;3

>> No.13546845

Since every soul is part of The One Soul he would technically be Christ as he is you, me and everyone else
At least if interpreted my „revelations“ correctly and I’m not just some guy with a fried brain

>> No.13546846

>>13546783
Reincarnation isn't Buddhist you dilettantish pleb.

>> No.13546849

>>13546845
Close. That argument is used in the Koran though.

To God do we come from, and unto God do we return :3

>> No.13546851

>>13546836
It means you're a brainlet.

>> No.13546861

>>13546846
Yeah, it is.
It’s certainly not Christian.

>>13546844
Explain what you mean by “defeated” otherwise its a joke.

>> No.13546869 [DELETED] 

>>13546783
>>13546789
>>13546824
>>13546836
>>13546861
I wish you were my bitch so I could put you in a bondage suit and fuck you

>> No.13546877

>>13546861
I hope you get Bianca'd soon

>> No.13546883

>>13546861
It wasn't him who wrote that. It was me. It means the God you described was obviously not the Christian God and your point was hence moot and invalid and served, literally, to make you a fool.

>> No.13546894

>>13546844
You're being a dickhead, dickhead

>> No.13546901

>>13546861
That Paul’s interpretation of God simply defeats you puerile notion of God’s tribal primitivism?

I really wish I could put on an atheist’s goggles and see reality through a completely idiotic lens, otherwise I can’t really empathize with anything you type or say, since that image is not even a refutation of Judaism let alone Christianity or Islam. :3

>> No.13546906

>>13546761
anybody saying yes is literally retarded. or worse, a liar.

>> No.13546908

>would someone living in greece have been a christian
yeah

>> No.13546926

>>13546883
Hm. So Yhwh isn’t the god of the Hebrews anymore.
This image was smashed and even the name was forbidden, but THAT IS your god. Paul defeated nothing, you brain dead fool.

>>13546901
It’s Yhwh. The one the only. The originator of your pantheon. And Asherah/Athirat was his wife. Its IN YOUR BIBLE

>> No.13546929

>>13546926
Low IQ. This is like arguing with an NPC in a video game.

>> No.13546931

>>13546926
You are by far the worst poster yet to use the « Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » mantle

>> No.13546933

>>13546929
Stuff your memes up your ass, brainlet

>> No.13546957

>>13546901
>I really wish I could put on an atheist’s goggles and see reality through a completely idiotic lens

yikes. imagine being this deluded in the world you live in. almost like schizophrenia or something. religious people really need to be culled desu.

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>>13546957

>> No.13546965

>>13546933
You’re cute when you’re visibly upset. You’re obviously a woman

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>>13546926
>>13546957
I'll pray for both of you tonight

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>>13546959
>>13546970

>> No.13546986

>>13546981
what happened to him

>> No.13546989

>>13546986
He converted to Christianity

>> No.13547002

>>13546959
lmao great response dude. I'm sure your imaginary friend is proud of you :)

hahaha I literally can't believe there are people believing in shit they've never seen on 4chan. hahahaha it's genuinley hilarious to laugh at you morons. oh and I've never worn a fedora lol.

hey buddy, I'll see you in hell.

>>13546970
and I'll pray for a good peaceful world. thank you very much for your kindness though. I'm sure your God isn't very happy with your racism though.

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>>13547002
>I'm sure your God isn't very happy with your racism though.
I'm not racist

>> No.13547037

>>13547010
lmao my bad dude I thought you name said "fuck off niggers"

forgive me I take back calling you a racist :)

I'm gonna go to sleep now cos it's 5am

>> No.13547046

>swastika tattoo across his chest
>Klan hood resting on top his head
>necklace of ears, all dark skinned
“B-but, I’m not a racist”

>> No.13547047

Plato would have been a Christian and a welfare king.

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>>13546761
No

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>>13547046
>chopped off dick
>take estrogen injections
>dilates everyday
"B-but I'm not a tranny"

>> No.13547067

>>13547060
So your name means you only go out with black girls?

>>13547047
Another fine gay priest in the fold.

>> No.13547076

>>13547067
It's up to interpretation

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>>13546783
>>13546789
>>13546824
>>13546836
>>13546861
>>13546926
>>13546933
>>13546981
>>13546989
You can't resist shitting up good threads.

>> No.13547157

>>13547140
>>13546869
You guys arent very sharp, are you?
It's not even her. The tripcode was discovered.

The price to pay for only using one pound sign.

>> No.13547169

>>13546783
Christianity has a soft concept of reincarnation. Not in the Eastern sense, or in one of total soul and consciousness, but in the sense of archetype and presence.
>13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John, 14 and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come.
Matt. 11 ESV
I believe this is a "mystery," one that's been forgotten in the obsessive thirst for simplification in the modern faith.

>> No.13547177

>>13547157
Butterfly fag is an archetype at this point. An archetype of tripfags ruining good things with turpentine huffing retardation.

>> No.13547179

>>13547157
>You guys arent very sharp, are you?
You can't resist getting that in there for your own self-affirmation can you

>> No.13547181

>>13546783
newfag here. Who is this bitch and why do you hate her so much?

>> No.13547184

>>13546824
butterfly you dont understand what that image means, it's a perennialist understanding of shamanistic religion as it relates to the major world religions

>> No.13547188

>>13547181
kill yourself newfag, jump in front of a train

>> No.13547212

Is it just atheists on /lit/ that are retarded? I swear they aren’t all like this

>> No.13547224

>>13546761
He was from Greece so he'd be a Eastern Orthodox Christian

>> No.13547227

>>13547212
Atheists in general are like NPCs, I have never met a sentient atheist

>> No.13547272

>>13546812
Denying Christ Judaism and Jewish blood is borderline schizophrenic. He was a Jew and followed and fullfiled the Law of Moses. There's so much NT quotes that recall the OT that is just absurd to start posting them, you're just delusional. The Father of Jesus was YAHWEH the God of the Jews; His Mother was a Jewess, his Apostles all Jews, Saint Paul and nearly every member of the Primitive Church was a Jew, the theological concepts used by Jesus recall those of the Pre-Christian Rabbinical Eschatology of the Targumin. You're deluded. Stop browsing pol. You're not different from people who believe the Earth is flat. Jesus was a Jew, both religious and racially, that's a fact.

>> No.13547297

>>13547272
Jesus wasn't Jewish. He spoke Greek, lived in a province that had been Greek for over 300 years, ministered to Greeks, named the Jews as worshipers of Satan, and was murdered by Jews.

After his death, there were many sects of proto-Christianity in existence, with gnosticism being truest to his teachings. The Jews co-opted one of those sects, through their Jewgold behind it, and formed early Orthodox Christianity with the Jew Peter as the first pope.

>> No.13547303

>>13547297
ΛΜΑΩ

>> No.13547308

>>13547272
Jews hate Jesus though. They see him as a heretic, and not one of their own.

Also in christianity Jesus is literally divine, so while he confirms the Jewish prophecy he is not Jewish, he is God, and the Jews who didn't accept him are by definition divorced from his truth. Moses was just a prophet in Christianity, Jesus is God himself.

>> No.13547314

>>13547308
>Jesus is God himself
Wait, really?? I thought he was the son of God. This is the most retarded shit I've ever heard.

>> No.13547315

>>13547297
ΚΥΣ

>> No.13547325

>13546761
Plato
>Transmigration of souls
>Reaching the heaven through intellect
>Fag
Christ
>Anihilation, or eternal damnation/salvation of souls depending on the bible hermeneutics of your choice
>Reaching heaven trought his blood and meat, good actions, active belief etc. Also depending in the bible hermeneutics
>Virgin
It doesn't look like

>> No.13547339

>13547325
neurotic fag, nasty guy

>> No.13547362

>13547339
Uh

>> No.13547364

>>13547169
True, I know, I was once a Christian, but that anon gave it an eastern connotation.

>>13547181
Because I don’t put up with their shit, I’m anti-theist, anarchist, homosexual woman. Various reasons. They coaxed it all out of me years ago. I actually kept things to myself at first.

>>13547184
It’s Yhwh. Their god was just like all the rest.

>>13547212
>>13547227
You people are like zombies, feeling like you’re special spiritual things.

>>13547314
I know, right?

>> No.13547366

You mean: would he have been Jewish. He was born and lived before Christ.

>> No.13547368

>>13547308
Yes, and Jews hated Baruch Spinoza. That doesn't make Spinoza or Christ less Jewish. You're making fallacious arguments. In Moses times there was no Christianity, Judaism or Mosaism was the true religion. We can only talk about a "Christianity" of Moses in that he hoped in the Coming Messiah just like all the Justs from the OT. Jesus was fully man, stop denying his humanity just because his ethnic origin makes you uncomfortable... He was both fully Human and Divine. God the Son IS the Jew Jesus Christ since the Incarnation.

>> No.13547380

>>13547314
god, the son of god, and the holy spirit, are all the same thing in christianity

>>13547368
In christianity Jesus is not just a man, he is God, this is why the confusion occurs on this subject. His humanity doesn't make him not God, that's the point of the trinity. His being Jewish as a human is immensely less revelant than his being literally God.

Spinoza also was not entirely jewish in thougth, just as the vast majority of Christian scholastics were not because of the influence of Greek thought on their work.Spinoza was a modern philosopher above anything, not a Jew who followed the Torah as holy revelation.

>> No.13547388

>>13547297
Jesus spoke galilee, not a single reference in the NT of Jesus spoking greek, SOME exegetes thinked that he spoke greek in the interview with Pilato, but that's just an opinion. The gospels were written in greek for evangelic reasons but the content is 100% judaic. Jesus wasn't less Jewish than St. Peter. In fact, Jesus is the truest of all Jews, the "Jewiest" Man in the World, the Divine Jew. God loves so the Jews so much even after they killed His Son that he decided that His Only Son became Flesh of the Israel people FOR ALL ETERNITY. He's the Jew per excellence. The synagogue of Satan in the Apocalypse are the FAKE JEWS who DENY THE MESSIAH, THE PROMISED MESSIAH OF THE OT, THE SERVANT OF YAHWEH (read the whole chapter and dont guide yourself by pol infographics, read the whole thing; quoting the Apocalypse is just ridiculous to backup your Antijewish claims because the Apoc is probably the most Jew book of all the NT canon, filled with OT quotes, references, vocabulary and Schatology)

>> No.13547393

>>13547380
The first council of Nicaea was a mistake. Homoousianism is retarded and so was Athanasius.

>> No.13547403

>>13547380
Jesus is both equally Man and God. Your denying of Jesus Mankind is just docetist heresy, a facade for your racial ideology.

I mentioned Spinoza because he and Jesus were "innovators" in Judaism: one an pantheistic heretic and the other the most Orthodox of Jews, but an innovator in the most genuine and positive form of the term. Both hated by the Religious Jewish fanatics.

>> No.13547440

>>13547179
Yes, that's right.
I justify my existence by how many pretentious quips I can get in with internet strangers on a tibetan apple carving forum.
Aren't you a sharp one.

>> No.13547449

>>13547403
I dont hate Jews at all, I literally used to wish I was Jewish, even though i do feel anger against them being a white as fuck gentile who they look down on. Ive known Jews intimately since I was a kid, I could never hate them as a people

Im also not Christian, and it wouldnt bother me if Christ were Jewish, I just don't see it that way. Jesus is God as Man, not God as Jewish Man. The universality of the Christian religion doesn't allow for the tribal selectiveness of the Jewish faith.

Spinoza is just a philosopher, you may as well call Hegel or Kant Christians when they have fuck all to do with the actual doctrine of Christianity, they invented their systems, they didnt take them from revealed religion.

I have a weird position, in which I believe Christ was divine, but Im not a Christian, because I think the Christian God is a God who does not control or see all. Christ is my favorite of all prophets but he doesn't say what I think the truth is, and I think that is because the Judeo-Christain God is an imperfect force among others, and the entire situation is more complicated.

>> No.13547685

>>13546778
So, a christian?

>> No.13548224

>>13547272

Not even "King of the Jews" is peculiar enough for Chabadniks, apparently.

>> No.13548253

>enter thread
>literally half of it is filtered
>leave thread

>> No.13548485

>>13547224
On ome Orthodox churches, he Socrates and aristotle are painted on the outside. Because they were Christian but sort of Proto Christian, theyre treated as proto saints. But this means they can only be on the outside of the church and not the inside with full saints.

>> No.13548761

>>13547364
You’re not a woman

>> No.13549307

No

>> No.13549828

>>13546761
Jesus was not white

>> No.13549841

>>13546761
Despite what Orthodox theologians would like to believe, Plato's ideas are simply INCOMPATIBLE with Christianity. Plato would think of GOD (as in the ultimate divine principle) as something which apprehends all existence as a single substance, not a person. Plato would call any God with a personality a lesser being aka an Archon.

>> No.13549843

>>13546761
Yes

>> No.13549939

>>13549841
>Plato would think of GOD (as in the ultimate divine principle) as something which apprehends all existence as a single substance, not a person.
That is YHWH

>> No.13549948

>>13549939
What retard can believe YHWH has no personality? All he does is bitch all the time about how people aren't honoring him.

>> No.13549986

>>13547364
You can only truly believe when you feel the touch of god. For me it was my Uncle during a 4th of July BBQ

>> No.13550047

>>13548485
interesting. any link for more on this?

>> No.13550300

>tfw I saw the transmigration of souls after nearly dying on a drug cocktail

How do I transmit this information to the atheist? Why is it not enough for my own faith?

>> No.13550398

>>13547364
*snap*
Yep, that’s going in my cringe compilation

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>>13549841

No personality does not necessarily mean no identity. In fact, that which subsumes all things could be the "I am that I am" Self-identity, by which all things are this or that. You've probably directly experienced it already in waking life. Perhaps when randomly sitting down, making contact with the chair took just marginally longer than expected and you found yourself stumbling into Identity proper. Or when suddenly waking up from an otherwise normal sleep and finding yourself perfectly aware, only to become less aware as you come to and remember your particular personality.

>> No.13550766

Christians are arrogant and evil
God bless its death in the west

>> No.13550852

>>13550766
amen

>> No.13550972

>>13547364
you simply cannot call yourself an intellectual if you're a materialist. i mean you can of course but you'd be lying

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>>13550972
Spiritualists are always lying when they refer to themselves as intellectuals, so I do avoid such pitfalls, thank you very much.

>>13548761
Sorry, there’ no cock for you to suck here.