/lit/ - Literature

Thoughts?

Just a reminder that the anon who shits on litrpg is the same anon who shills chinkshit and webnovels.

Why was it so underwhelming ?

>>13520485
I'm looking for a good book to read, I like the book of the new sun (and Gene Wolfe books), the black company, The quest of Kadath, and most of alastair Reynolds and Jack Vance stuff, any recs ?

sanderfag a hack

Sword & Sorcery

>>13520548
Check out Schuyler Hernstrom and Michael Shea for more Vancian style fiction.

>>13520566
Thanks braj

>>13520561
Based and Kalutapilled

what book like dark soul

>>13520530
>everyone in general is the same person

Anyone else having problems with 4chan today?

>>13520593
Beowulf

>>13520637
I have problems with 4chan every day.

>>13520561
Sword & planet though

>>13520539
You probably expected more gay shit.

>>13520637
I think their image server is on the fritz

>What are you currently reading?

im finishing oatbringer(sanderson) and im going to start with abercrombie that some anon recommended in the last thread

>>13520485
>Characters, Magic/Scientific System, Plot, Prose, World
Characters>Prose>World>Plot>Magi-science system
>Give examples of writer/s who excel at one or more of the above
Tigana had very good characters which I liked
BotNS has the prose and is my favorite book of all time, which goes to show that even if the characters are not the best, prose can win a lot in my eyes
World, I don't have clear examples because I research a book/author before reading so I only read things that I know I'll enjoy. Out of the top of my mind, Dune comes close with its mix of traditional emelents and scifi.
Plot, it's near the bottom. Plot is not that important to me, but most scifi novels that I read had good plots. Foundation, Ringworld, Dune again of course.
And magic comes last. If something meets all of the above, magic or science systems are without any value. I enjoyed Mistborn just as much as I enjoyed Rendezvous with Rama.
>What are you currently reading?
STILL finishing Foundation and I actually need some recommendations.

One (1) week left!

How many of you are writing shit with the intention to putting it out?

>>13520913
I do. I've already finished the second chapter and I'm a good 10k words in. When I posted an excerpt here a couple people praised it and that really gave me a push to just keep on writing.
It's sword&planet with a focus on the science, but it's highly unapologetic in itself, so expect weird aliens and weirder deep-space phenomena and some other things that have no explanation. I try not to get caught in the modern sff trap of taking myself too seriously (even though it's a thoroughly serious novel with plot and characters).
I don't know how to get published but I figure I'll find out how by the time I'm finished. The way I see it, self publishing is the way to go in this day and age.

/sffg/ what do you think makes a scene memorable or iconic?

>>13520913
ive been sitting on a completed novel for a year and a half without submitting it. you tell me

>>13520753
That explains it. I'm getting a lot of 404s when I try to see wtf the image says.

>>13520885
That book was shit.

>pic related is 80% of sffg

>ctrl+f "Reddit"
>only person bringing it up is the person accusing everyone of being from there
>this has always been the case
It's like they're so addicted to where they're from they can't help but bring it up here

>>13521093
Sounds like vegans and crossfitters desu senpai.

>>13520548
>The quest of Kadath
Read all of H. P. Lovecraft's work. Worth it.

>It was a war of souls, of frightful brains steeped in lore forbidden to men for a million years, of mentalities which had plumbed the abysses and explored the dark stars where spawn the shadows.
Prose like this gets my dick hard.

>>13520530
Based anon

>>13521123
I liked his horror works but I prefer hos "fantasy" books

>>13520485
How do I create cool name for my dark fantasy book ? So long I tried the dark souls method

>>13521220
Why do you think we're here? Tell us about the book.

>>13521220
Call it Charcoal with a Vanta-Black cover

>>13520530
Sounds like he's only half retarded, good for him.

>>13520485
>Characters, Plot, Prose, World, Magic/Scientific System.
Prose is mostly unimportant as long as its ok or better, but if its bad then unless chararacters and plot are very good, I wont read the book.
World and scientific system are important and if they are done badly, overdone and hard to believe nonsense then even if the book has best characters I wont read it.
I read Silo series by H Howey and jesus christ, the characters, plot, story, all good but that prose... at first I wanted to kms, later I got used to it just enough to be able to continue reading it.

World building and technology is excelent in most of Peter F Hamilton works, characters are ok too. A Reynolds, I read his stuff but his world building is very hit and miss, I liked the books/story with the captain fused to the shit (forgot the name) but some of his other books literally made no sense.

I kind of like King because of his prose, is that how dumb middle/lower class americans talk? Idk It just feels real, I guess thats why most americans (who pretend to intelectuals) dislike him.

Also old mans war and many other military scifi is just pure action, no nonsense world building with often solid characters, just like watching action movie but so much better entertainment value.
>In the order of your preference


>What are you currently reading? Nothing, I am kind of busy now, have no time to research and look for good books

>>13521126
You would love my sword and planet novel

>>13521236
A serial killer in a grimdark world is captured and sent by the powers that be into a parallel dimension similar to his world but post apocalyptic/dying earth, and he survives while making friends along the way. also there is interdimensional demons like in hellraiser.

>checking Desolate Era
>epub(7923KB)
>8303 pages
What in the world am I in for?

>>13521291
shit story skip it.

>>13520485
Characters, Prose, Plot, World, System.
Vance, Zelazny, Hernstrom, my diary, sanderfag a hack
Reading Neuromancer is good
>>13520530
>T. spills his spaghetti when anyone says grimdark
All those things are the same though
>>13521257
Master of Tendies

>>13521332
"Master of ___" is unironically a good name, thanks mate I just need to find the right words to go with it

If a writer's prose sucks, then most certainly the rest of the book sucks as well. Bad prose is the sign of the brainlet. That said, I've read many writers with a good grasp of language, and all of them sucked.

>>13521291
Don't fall for the chinkshit meme

>>13521342
Or a play off of his serial killing mo

>>13520548
>>13521199
>The Quest of Kadath
Lord Dunsany and Clark Ashton Smith
>black company
David Gemmell,start with something like Legend or Waylander

>>13521365
Well the mc is a serial killer whose day job is being a travelling executioner, so maybe something in the lexical field of the suffering

>>13521332
Master of chinkshitmemes (in space)

>>13521376
How does he kill people?

>>13521400
Beating them with his fists (with some kind of cestus), like Tony in Hotline Miami to give you an example

Just finished my Sword and Sorcery binge with Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser. These stories are simple yet enjoyable. Thanks for getting me into this shit /sffg/.

>>13521370
Thanks man

>>13521458
Leiber sure wrote comfy books

>>13521419
Kino
>Fist of the Wanderer
>Rawhide and Bone

>>13521291
Crippling addiction and after you read it, you realize it was shit. Kinda like some food which you for some reason can't stop eating even after you want to vomit.

I am so glad no one is taking the bait and adding Thune's vision to their goodreads list.
Expect for you, Gregory, you are stupid.

>>13521571
Different anon.
So, basically 4chan in general?

Thune's Vision is based. Why does it trigger the bugmen?

Read the first Waldo Rabbit book. Pretty fun. Prose is a bit weak and the exposition is pretty bland. Still enjoyable, and hopefully he can get better. Will read the others.

>>13520485
What are some good science fiction books that are not about space travels?

I think asoiaf is the only fantasy series that actually does knights and lords any justice. Too often they're just a bunch of fat poofs who get cut down in their droves by le agile edgy kid with a cape.

>>13521584
>No power levels
>No harem
>Fancy word no teach in ESL engrish class
>Write by WHITE MALE
it shit. Oñly book good if Superior Asian mind write. Show true strongness and translate very good

>>13521603
Dropped that one halfway through the second book. The first book was fun but by the second everything feels like filler.

>>13520485
What are some books about suffering?

>>13521717
Your diary and mine.

>>13521717
realm of the elderlings

>>13521716
>everything feels like filler
That's disappointing. Though I'm not entirely surprised as the prophesy was something about five years, and the first book covered a few weeks.

The Dream Cycle > The Cthulhu Mythos

The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath is Lovecraft's masterpiece. Has anyone read Jason Thompson comic adaptation of the story? I love his adaptations of other Dream Cycle short stories and I'm tempted to buy that one (since I can't find it online for free anywhere).

>>13521577
>Using Goodreads

>>13521717
Burning Chrome by William Gibson

>>13521491
Noted, if I ever publish it i'll post on here

>>13521746
agree, as someone who dreams a lot I think Lovecraft captured the vibe some dreams give you while taking you to strange worlds

>>13520593
Solomon Kane

>>13521604
The World Inside, Stand on Zanzibar...

>>13521746
It's on libgen.

Why does basically all fantasy books have 4+ rating on goodreads? Explain this to me, does people just love everything?

Christ this was an awful read. Just awful. And the first book was nice and even the second book had its moments even though it was completely different compared to the first one.

>>13521603
>>13521716
They are weird books. There is a lot to like but then there is stuff that feels more at home in some harem anime.

>>13521993
The only way to get any use of the Goodreads algorithm is to give everything you like 5 stars and everything you dislike 1 star.
Or maybe normalfags just don't understand that 3/5 is average, not bad.

>>13521993

My thinking is that there's the standard 1 star or 5 star, no in between problem compounded by the fact that for SF&F you have to willingly search it out. I tend to vet SF&F more than other books I read, and I think that's not unique to me.

>>13521993
Most users of goodreads are retarded women or underage

>>13522102
>3/5 is average, not bad
If anything 3/5 should be good. The difference between "bad" and "terrible" is largely irrelevant, because it doesn't really matter how much worse than adequate something is. On the other hand even a small difference between "great" and "excellent" is important.
Not that it matters, because no one rates things sensibly.

Suggestions for really well done audiobooks?

okay, ive been doing some thinking about the pokemon thing i mentioned a while back and here's what Ive come up with. I apologize if this is out of context spam

>the three secondary characters will have a weaker, unintelligent creature as a pet/service animal that is not used for combat
>to avoid clutter, the artist will not bring her pet as its not suited to a journey
>the cartographer will have the map turtle, but it will be more a prop than a character, and she will not kick it around as her primary weapon
>the scavenger's bird will likewise be a non-combatant non-character
>the MC will have no pet, but the party will later be joined by a guide creature who has his own character arc entangled with the MC and will become his companion at the end

>>13522004
honestly, every one after the first is not great. is the fear institute the dreamlands one? I remember the plot sucking, but I liked the way it fleshed out the dreamlands a little. the black galleys were a nice touch

just want to die lads

>>13522264
Same, bout to do my classic going on an overnight camping trip with a gun and single bullet

>>13522264
>>13522287
Haha, you guys are a riot!

>>13522332
haha

oh, a ladposter >>13522264

>>13520655
same..

It's just a three hour drive, I can get away for a few days and just read books and work on my plot

>>13520593
Dark souls is basically a videogame adaptation of the manga Berserk

>>13520637
Yes, I want out but I keep coming back

>>13520593

Book of the new sun

>>13522485
>yfw the first Berserk arc is pure Sword & Sorcery
I know the creator "borrowed" from pretty much everything when he made Berserk, but that first arc really is just some great S&S. Hell the manga even begins with Guts fucking a she-demon that tries to kill him just like in Conan the Barbarian.

>>13522235
Yup its the dreamland one. The plot is all over the place and it feels like a collection of short stories. The second one was still to some degree enjoyable to read as long as you accepted that it was something completely different in tone compared to the first one.

>>13522102
>>13522137
>>13522181
I don't know. Say what you want about ranking sites for movies but at least the average scores differ a lot. For longer series it could be that the only persons who read book x in the series will be people who loved the first x-1 books. I think i have noticed that the score have a tendency to go up for later books in a series.

>>13521728
>>13521799
Cheers
>>13521725
:(

>>13521291
comfy chinkshit

>>13522599
The feels when real Ning dies.
Heavy spoiler, don't click if you haven't finished it.

Where is Desolate Era faggot? That faggot needs to read Tower of God so I can have someone to talk about it with since I'm going to be the only other one that reads the giant shitbrick that is DE.
>started playing on a vidya private server
>reading time goes away like any semblance of my love life

>>13522765
>>>/a/

>>13511858
Renamed, re-organized, with some stuff added. rec charts.
https://mega.nz/#F!ywtXwYjC!LXU3e7knFpZK_dnHeC9ixA

May or may not do more. Plans are unknown.

All, except dupes and older versions, of the below is in the mega above.

Looks like some guy is still adding stuff, and mostly only ever been the only guy, for quite a while.
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?days=1000&limit=5000

New images here:
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Images

>>13522903
Needs so more work though.
Change to list mode to see the full names better and more in general.

>>13522903
Thanks for trying anon.
/r9k/ before the /lit/ + /sci/ split was peak 4chan

>>13522903
Add this

The chart with 3 recs (2xWeeks, Rothfuss) is a shitpost, you can remove it.

tfw finally ran out of stuff I want to read
I can just about claw this back by finishing stuff off but after that I'm fucked

Any decent fantasy classic fantasy books? By that I mean stories where the hero picks up a sword, beats the big bad and gets the girl in the end? All the newer books I've been reading seem like they're in a desperate race to be edgier and "subverting" then the last. I just want something comfy with a satisfying ending.

>>13523002
Three Hearts and Three Lions

>>13523002
Check out Lord Dunsany. He pretty much created Heroic Fantasy.

>>13522930
Yeah, it was good times.
I was really amused by the futureguy threads.

>>13522974
Added

>>13522993
There's always more.

What's the consensus on Abercrombie here? I keep getting the First Law series recommended to me, but when I tried reading it it came across as an edgy 16 year old trying his hardest to be as "grim dark" as possible. I made it to the beginning of the third book before I just gave up. Am I missing something?

>ctrl+f "Reddit"
>only person bringing it up is >>13521093
>this has always been the case
It's like they're so addicted to where they're from they can't help but bring it up here

>>13523140
>it came across as an edgy 16 year old trying his hardest to be as "grim dark" as possible.
Bingo. I will say it's at least a better read than Bakker's grimderp series.

>>13522181
You absolute retard, they get free eARCs for their favourite books free and months in advance for rating and reviewing trash high. They don't even need to have read the book to have come up with a decent review.

Normal people don't review or rate because they don't do shit for free and aren't shills looking for free books that can be read months and months before they are actually released.

>>13522993
Read xianxia and cheat your way to the top.

>>13523140
his entire rep comes from the twist/reveal 50% through the last first law book.
Personally I thought that was shit but his books since first law are a lot better.

imo Adrian Selby does the same schtick a lot better

>>13521577
>Thune's vision
It's a bunch of short stories.

Have nips ever produced any good sci fi?

>>13523408
All You Need is Kill

>>13523408
Yoshio Aramaki's fantastic but largely untranslated, obvious stuff like Legend of Galatic Heroes and Kobo Abe's scifi is good.

The problem, illustrated well by Parasite Eve, is that the stuff that tends to actually get translated is usually translated because it's well known because of vidya/anime adaptations

>>13523408
LOGH was a novel series before it became the famous OVA.
Also Macross, up to and including episode 27, it's not written media but it's good

>>13523480
hell looking it up even Sakyo Komatsu only has two novel length stories translated and he's been popular for half a century

>>13523408
There are some decent science fiction manga and anime around but off the top of my head I can only think of Legend of the Galactic Heroes right now.
The original book series is in the process of getting an English translation right now, but apparently the first two books are horribly translated, which supposedly gets better once they change translators for the third book.

>>13523489
>LOGH
this is one of the single most amazing pieces of fiction that exist. it predicted everything so fucking perfectly that its frightening at times.

Suspiciously perfect timing for a cringey B list actor to pass away while billions of dollars are being spent to resuscitate the genre he made iconic. Not saying it's the Jews, but...

>>13523624
Who are you talking about?

>>13523624
>>13523654
Sheeeeiiit, Rutger Hauer.

Reading the broken earth, book 2 currently.
1 was great, except for 75% of the characters at least being lgbt. Jesus christ with that agenda.

>>13523408
Akira (fantasy-scifi, i don't think you can really say unlocking superpowers that humans were capable of is in scifi domain)
Planetes
Redline(sorta scifi but it's about a race, not tech)
Ghost in the shell, 1995 movie and S.A.C tv series(two)
Eden: it's an endless world, a great post apocalypse cyberpunk manga.

>>13523654
RIP Ladyhawke
FUCK YOU CHAIM

>tfw the only thing you have to look forward to the entire week is a single 3hr dnd game.

off me lads! slip me off this mortal coil and on to the cheeky nandos in the sky!

>>13523751
Flesh & Blood was really good. Technically not fantasy, more like historical fiction but nevertheless really good.
I barely remember Wedlock and Valerian was a very forgettable movie qhere he played a minor role as the president.

>>13523235
what are your xianxia recs? ive read a lot of chinkshit and am now struggling to find stuff. My favorite series ive read so far is reverend insanity although warlock of the magus world and lord xue ying were also enjoyable.

>>13523855
>warlock of the magus world
There is no hope for you.

>>13523173
bakker actually has interesting ideas and his grimdark is actually dark enough to be effective. Please educate yourself before spewing antibakker trash in sffg.

>>13523860
>chinkshit elitism

oh nononono. I enjoyed return of the strongest sword god too which is even more degenerate, Post your top 3 chinkshit and ill judge your taste.

realistically though genre fiction is all degenerate, if youre even in this thread I don't think you have grounds to be smug.

>>13522765
Uh what’s there to talk about for de

>>13523870
I'm not >>13523860
but I'll bite.
1. Cradle
2. Library of Heaven's Path
3. The Dao of Xuanhuan Novels
I'm more a fan of isekai and empire building stuff, I don't usually last very long reading xianxia, but I though Cradle was pretty good.

>>13523829
>dnd cunt wants to die
What a surprise! Shut yer gab and neck yerself already ya pom cunt.

>>13523901
i like cradle too, library of heavens path is absolute garbage though.

ive never read the dao of xuanhuan novels but they look like chink "humour" which i never enjoy. Over all pretty shit taste tbqh. What I enjoy most about chinkshit is the autistic levelling up though, which sounds like the opposite of what you like.

>>13523914
I'm trying to get into Desolate Era, it feels like I've read the first ten chapters of many xianxia before dropping them. The writing quality/translation is just too awful. It's unironically easier to find better written fanfiction. Would Worth the Candle count as a xianxia-like? That's one of my favorites, even though I bounced off of it three times in the first few chapters before finally getting hooked reading the whole thing.

>>13523864
>interesting ideas
Yea because that's what I care about the most when I read a fantasy series with X-Men tier wizards and rape orcs.

>>13523925
Ive never read worth the candle but Ill try it. It looks sort of similar to mother of learning which I enjoyed. I doubt it has much in common with xianxia though as I've never read anything published by western authors that is at all similar to it (other than cradle which was obviously heavily inspired by chinkshit), I think the prose being bad is mostly because the translators usually speak chinese as a first language and english as a second language so theyre not very good at english, I can mostly tolerate it although its sometimes too much for me.

You should try reverend insanity as it has pretty good translation quality and the author seems much less braindead than the average chinkshit writer. Only problem with it is that its not finished and the protaganist is strraight up evil. In the first arc he kidnaps a girl and mindcontrols a bear to eat her alive while going on an edgy rant about how people are just bones and meat or some shit. I honestly love that shit but you might not.

>>13523969
Regarding WtC, when he meets Amaryllis, don't drop it. I know it looks like cringe mary-sue shit, but it's really not like that. That's scene where he meets her in the beginning is what made me drop it three times. It does have game mechanics as part of the story, but they're specific to the story itself, and actually part of the story, not a gimmick to allow the MC to powerwank himself and the reader to self insert.
For Reverend Insanity, I have read the first chapters up to when he brutalizes that hunter and his family for the map.

>anyone who doesn't like what I like is a bugman

>>13523984
have you read I shall seal the heavens? Its generally regarded as one of the best xianxia novels and the translation quality is pretty good.

>>13522185
Graphic audio

>>13524000
Oh wow, you like Warlock of the magus world AND ISSTH? Unsurprising but still...yikes

Not even sure which one is worse, the one where the AI solves everything or the one with the pill popper MC.

>>13524028
all chinkshit is bad, you still havnt posted your favorites :)

This entire thread is infested.

>>13523855
I haven't read a lot. Cradle is good. Coiling Dragon is viewed as a good intro to xianxia and I'm a little over halfway into that. Working through Desolate Era as well. I'd like to find something shorter or other Western xianxias in the future

>>13523998
>t. bugman

>trying to come up with an equipment list for a space cold welder as a standard industry position
This is fun

What is our opinion on the works of Guy Gavriel Kay?

>>13523864
>and dickgirls
elaborate
... asking for a friend

>>13524122
Tigana has the best purple prose done well. Decent story too.

hey /sffg/, how's your night going?

STOP STARTING STORIES IN MEDIAS RES
TELL THE STORY FROM THE BEGINNING

>>13524271
Should have listened when we told you Malazan was shit.

>>13524282
oh fug, it's not good? i was about to start this series.

>>13524127
Gri.

>>13524336
Add a "d" then.
GRID
Gay, rape, incest and dickgirls

>>13524427
No. I was answering your question. Gri was coined from the Prince of Nothing series. It perfectly explains the dickgirls.

>>13524440
At last I truly see.

What's the most mush-brained published author you can think of? I want to know if I stand a chance but I always underestimate myself

>>13524482
Jemisin? Scalzi?

>>13524503
>Jemisin
>Hugo & Nebula-winning bestselling SFF writer & reviewer. I use robust autoblockers due to harassment. They catch some friendlies. Unavoidable; sorry. She/her.
Thanks that helped a lot actually

>>13524127
Only monster with a soul is actually a trap

>>13524503
Scalzi FOR SURE

>>13523829
>tfw the only thing you have to look forward to is Benadorm next week and the premier league starting again

The ship will be a mile long

>>13524685
Why stop at a mile?

>>13524712
Because I had that image in mind when deciding the size and I'm an autist for logistics

>>13523665
Honestly, The Hitcher is his best performance but BR is part of the cinema canon now.

I'm gonna write a cyberpunk fantasy western with lizard people with a caste system and reality bending as natural magic and a transhuman with a custom body and damaged memory banks as the stranger from out of town

and it's gonna have big dumb super robots and i will get caught up in my urges to make any substantial character sympathetic

also speeches and humanistic philosophy

and you can't stop me

>>13525160
Well then write it, pussy.

If you play stardew valley or similar games what's a book with that atmosphere ?

>>13525220
I already am

>>13525255
How far along are you? What do you have planned? What are your characters like? Why aren't you writing it right now instead of responding to me?

>>13520885
I read it like 3 years ago? Some of it was kinda creepy, I liked the idea and how it was kinda abstract. I don't remember much about the writing but it was easy to follow. Not my favourite, but I enjoyed it. I might re-read it soon.
Now I am reading Children of Time. I am in part 3: War. It's fun

>>13525262
Because-

actually i have no good reason to not be writing right now

>>13525262
>>13525277
Also I'm basically at the point just before the central journey begins. Around 17k words so far. Started writing it about a month and a half ago.

>>13521746
INBRED

>>13525300
>>13525277
Nice, dude. Keep it up.

>>13522409
Looks nice

>>13525317
Thanks anon. The encouragement helps.

>>13525328
Another anon here, keep us updater i'm interested

>>13525426
https://pastebin.com/jLhM5qy6

First three chapters so far. I started working on the fourth chapter pretty much yesterday, had a three-day no writing rut after I finished the third chapter. There are probably typos and spelling fuckups but I will deal with those once I finish the storyline.

>>13524712
>>13524736
In Consider Phlebas, Banks points out how even Culture ships (General Systems Vehicles) have to have compartmentalized decks because even the advanced technology of The Culture does not allow for pressurised rooms higher than 3km due to air pressure being too low under the ceiling.

>>13523870
>genre fiction is all degenerate
And now you have exposed yourself as a moron who only reads modern self-insert wish-fullfillment neckbeard speculative fiction.
>>13523901
Mediocre taste, but please tell more about the "isekai and empire building stuff".
>>13523925
>I'm trying to get into Desolate Era
I am on book 45, and I regret everything
>Would Worth the Candle count as a xianxia-like
What? No.
>It's unironically easier to find better written fanfiction
There's fanfiction thats better than almost everything thats discussed on sffg, you just need to know where to look.
>>13524031
You are correct, but I am still gonna read it
>>13525245
The City by Clifford Simak

>>13524596
No skinspies dont have souls. They are hedonistic fleshcrafted monsters that only live to serve their master’s plans.

That said, would you let a qt consult skinspy hug your face?

>>13525435
Only second paragraph and there's already "fucking" and "assholes"
That it going to be a solid yikes from me right there my man.

>>13525890
Gee whiz almost like the entire first section is written from the perspective of a character that swears a lot.

If it makes you feel any better, the big bad swear words mostly go away after that section.

>>13525890
Oh and
>I hoped the local warrior-caste
Another big yikes. You handled showing us that there's a caste system in place in literally the worst way possible. You can't make this shit up, but you apparently did.

>>13525906
I get what you mean but the first section is literally being told by an in-universe character, and the caste system works exactly how it is mentioned. Segregation is more for the sake of giving people jobs they can reasonably do and distinguishing tendencies (like the warrior-caste being more inclined towards rambunctious behavior).

There is no reason to not have the character mention the fact that most of the people who cause trouble in the bar are in the warrior-caste, and I would honestly rather get brainlets whinging about "muh show good tell bad no exceptions" than compromise on basic in-universe consistency.

Just finished Book of the new sun, and oh boy what a trip it was

>>13525886
Read the books again. the most violent of fags' first imitation woman was the only dickgirl with a soul. They were never able to duplicate it

>>13526031
Spoon feed me
Which skinspy had a soul?

>>13525957
Will you allow me to rewrite here only that one paragraph that mentions the warrior caste?

>>13526199
uh, you can try i guess. dont see a reason why not.

>>13526206
Just for exercise, I actually want to compare our styles. Tbh I spoke too harshly, I'm excited more people share their works here. Talking about americlap politics and inane bullshit (the endless complain about charts and chinamen books) gets tiring. More talk about fantasy and scifi please.

>>13526215
To be perfectly fair I get the issue that arises with literally only one part of the entire story being written in what equates to "old guy telling a story at a bar" format.

I should probably format it separately from the story proper, as a prologue or summin.

>>13526031
>>13526193
No you’re wrong. The only one who had a soul was the the skinspy in the mandate, who got btfo by kellhus’s brother.

Original:
He stepped on a loose panel in the floor, poor guy. Haven't heard that horrible squidging noise in months. I hoped the local warrior-caste ruffians would avoid stirring shit for once, but given that the noise startled ol' Rika, I wasn't too hopeful. I hesitate to call that creature sapient. A little too in tune with her hunter instincts, that one. Still, she pays her tab, so I let her drink in my bar. She'd thrash it if I didn't, I'm pretty sure she could beat an elder in a contest of raw strength. Good thing she's centuries from her metamorphosis, maybe she'll grow a second brain cell to rub together by the time that comes 'round.

Mine:
You see, we put high value on our quiet here, so when the feller came in and made that poxin' squeak on his first step proper, I knew it'll come to someone's attention. Whose attention? Well everyone's ya lackwit, but more importantly, Rika's. Oh, Rika's a good habituè, daft but pays and keeps quiet. Shame she can't tell her arse from elbow, and is playing enforcer to boot. It's only the usual, y'know how these roughnecks like to flaunt their caste. Well, what can an ole' man like myself do? She'd snap me like a toothpick she would, that darn brute and tell me it ain't so.

>>13526289
Meant for
>>13526206
I didn't include the metamorphosis part because I don't know what it is. I only worked with the very bare bones of the excerpt

>tfw no Sword & Sorcery negress waifu

>>13526311
Me on the left

>>13526311
>them muscular yet curvy thighs.

What and odd read this was.
I'm a big TES lore nerd and put this book on hold for a long time since I didn't hear much good about it, but I did enjoy it a lot.
Probably because I'm also a big fan of cooking in fantasylands and this was a very unexpected but pleasant meeting.
Still a very strange mixture though.

>>13526593
sosig

>>13522497
seconding this, very similar to dark souls 2

>>13525791
The Outer Sphere is one of those 'world suddenly changed by video game like system', but the main character isn't a complete retard, and does some empire building by taking advantage of his abilities. Small spoiler, but it's got a huge timeskip around midway through with the main character waking up 800~ years later. It's got okay writing quality, but that's all relative. There are 143 chapters out, and the author has 20-30 chapters paywalled by his patreon and being released at a regular rate, so at least it won't die instantly.

>>13526593
Cooking book will like this.

>>13525245
Growth of the Soil

>>13521257
>>13521419
Would you read my book /sffg/ ?

>>13526954
>grimdark
Personally? No. Others probably would though.

>>13526968
What is it that you don't like in a gloomy fantasy world, anon ?

>>13526977
Almost all forms of grimdark invoke the eight deadly words for me and I lose all interest.

"I don't care what happens to these people."

>>13526987
Ok I see why you think this, but what if the narration character based ?

>>13526993
It could be the greatest story ever written and I still wouldn't be able to make myself slog through it if it was set in a shit world filled with shit people where no true good can exist etc etc

>>13527004
Yeah, so you like some nuance, thank you for your input anon !

Grimderp is beyond played out by this point. There's only so much nihilism and edginess you can stuff into a story. It would be nice if these grimderp writers instead decided to write straight up horror stories in fantasy settings a la Karl Edward Wagner and certain REH stories.

>>13527017
honestly
write nobledark if you want a dark fantasy setting
for context nobledark is an evil world filled with good people
as opposed to grimdark which is an evil world with evil people

>>13526977
You can have a "gloomy" fantasy world and not have it be grimderp. The world of Solomon Kane is pretty "gloomy" since it's filled with horror and monsters and demons and sorcery, but there's nothing nihilistic or even edgy about it. It also helps that Solomon Kane himself is a straight up hero.

Goodie goodie christcuck anons who blind themselves into thinking that people are good and they want fantasy that reflects this needs to stick with dusty tomes. Currently fantasy is for the realists who want books that reflect human nature. Not the Disney children books that show how good this person is!
Neck yourselves.
>b-but it's the cartoons fault for making me optimistic

hmm what's a good idea I can base a fantasy novel on to make some easy bucks off tasteless redditors?

>>13527033
Kane is based, but what do you think about, let's say, the dark souls universe ?

>>13527052
I guess I'm writing nobledark, since it's about a bad person becoming better through his adventures

>>13527055
Solomon Kane is based

>>13527060
>muh blackpill, world a shit, humans are only evil
Get back in your casket lovecraft

>>13527067
>I guess I'm writing nobledark, since it's about a bad person becoming better through his adventures
You should read Waylander by David Gemmell since it's pretty much exactly this.

>>13527060
go jack off to heart of darkness again

>>13527060
Even if that were realistic, it still wouldn't be interesting to read about.

>>13527081
>You should read Waylander by David Gemmell since it's pretty much exactly this.

You're the second anon recomending it to me in this thread, so I guess I have to read it now, thanks anon-kun

>>13527067
>I guess I'm writing nobledark, since it's about a bad person becoming better through his adventures
You need some Shakespeare bro. Or some biographies. Bad people stay bad their entire lives. Redemption stories are cliche and unrealistic.

Soulcatcher a waifu!

>>13527127
>you need some fiction from an era known for tragedies bro, or some more "non-fiction" from biased sources

>>13527073
Good thing Akka is the only good boy in a shit world. Until we get Sorweel. Then there are two good boys. Bakker truly defies stereotyping.

>>13527134
>you need some fiction from an era known for tragedies bro
Uh, so your book takes place in a time with no tragedies?
>biased sources
Cringe. I bet you're the sort of brainlet who doesn't read Jewish authors.

>>13527142
>GOOD PEOPLE STAY GOOD
>BAD PEOPLE STAY BAD
>NO PERSON CHANGE EVER HAPPEN

>>13527127
See american desperado (or cocaine cowboys) , a book about Jon Roberts, the guy was a war criminal, a cocaine smuggler and a violent mobster most of his life, but through some persons he met he became a good guy at the end of his life.
>>13527142
The guy you are replying to is not me

>>13526263
Scarface was Kellhus' son. I thought the one with the soul was the one that Cnaiur was clapping?

I'm glad we now realize grimderp is gay faggot shit and that Sword & Sorcery is the connoisseur's choice.
>tfw you will never battle dragon-riding demons with your Sword & Sorcery son

>>13527242
Tbh I kind of ignore all meme genre names like grimdark, sword and sorcery and shit like that. If story, characters and setting grips me then it's fine regardless how people classify it.

>>13527132
fixed

>>13527263
based and redpilled

>>13523870
>>13523914
>>13523925
>>13523969
>>13523998
>>13525791
Why don't you faggots go start a chinkshit general? You don't belong here.
>>13525160
Mark Lawrence already did it
>>13527140
Sorwheel a cute
>>13527242
>LOOK MOM, I POSTED IT AGAIN
grimdark is the contemporary form of S&S you absolute mong. Don't like it? Keep rereading Fritz Leiber then, but for Christ's sake please shut the fuck up

>>13527264
Reminder that Croaker never deserved her, Lady was boring Cook's self inserts waifu and that books after the North are shit and lack many good characters from the older books and we should have had books about adventures of Soulcatcher.

>>13527242
I had no idea there were men of culture in this thread.

>>13527132
>>13527289
Based but Amber waifus > Dark Company waifus

>>13527289
>Reminder that Croaker never deserved her, Lady was boring Cook's self inserts waifu and that books after the North are shit and lack many good characters from the older books and we should have had books about adventures of Soulcatcher.

I liked fictional india

Leiber is pretty fucking shit if I'm being honest.

>>13527344
I didn't, beyond some smaller parts, but those had more to with plot and not it being set in notindia.

>>13527283
>grimdark is the contemporary form of S&S
Never go full retard, anon. NEVER. This is the equivalent of saying torture porn is the contemporary form of Gothic horror.

>>13527329
Amber is fine too, Dara a waifu. But again, didn't get to see much of her.

>>13527387
I agree that the plot got a lot more convoluted and hard to follow, especially after they shift dimensions in the glittering stone plain

>>13527242
I really liked those Sprague deCamp stories about King Conan fighting demons and witches with his son.
>>13527263
Based

>>13527445
You should play the last God of war vidya

I need more fantasy with cute sorceress waifus that hate men but crave cock and who are actually all completely useless.
Any ideas?

>>13527502
Anon, I...

>>13527502
I want cute sorceress villainess that falls in love with the hero.

>>13527283
Xianxia is fantasy

>>13527516
Soulcatcher anon, please.

>>13527541
Tbh Soulcatcher in part probably influences me on this matter. But either way, I really want this pairing.

>>13527189
No the one with the soul is the Mandate sorcerer that Akka reported to. Exposing him is what causes the mandate to support Kellhus being named Emperor.

>doing shitty edgy grimderk miserywank or generic wish fulfillment fantasy trash when you could write journey of epic proportion on par with greek epics where man faces off against the will of the world itself and comes out on the other side victorious but irrevocably changed, for better or worse
>no man or god or machine, something inbetween and greater than all three

I only read up to White Luck Warrior (2nd book of the 2nd trilogy when Akka reaches ishual) but is it even explained why the Scylvendi supported the no-god and the consult? Were they really just easily fooled idiots or would they've been the only humans allowed to live at the end of the world?
I see absolutely no reason for any human to support the literal end of the world for some rape fucks to gain immortality and escape hell. Fuck them, why should I care? If the no-god made all the babies stillborn, weren't the fucking Scylvendi aware of this at all? Don't they care their babies are dead?
They're a good barbarian race for the heck of it but it made no sense. Maybe it was explained in the book I haven't read yet (the unholy consult)

>>13527242
>just read a grimdark book that went out of its way to make it clear the evil murderous protagonists weren't doing any rape because the author/publisher wanted to sell copies to girls
lol

>>13527710
Shit is rape out of style now? I've been working a 5-part series for the last 15 years centered around a time rapist

>>13527626
They’re death worshipping cultists, essentially. They treat the no god like a God and that’s why they fought for the Consult in the first apocalypse. The consult see them as allies so they probably would have spared them. Maybe.

>>13527710
>weren't doing any rape
>wanted to sell copies to girls
Doesn't sound right, wahmen loved Gor books.

>>13527516

>purification by dick
>moral regeneration

Yes.

>>13527782
Ehh, I kind of prefer when both sides compromise somewhat. But that too works.

>>13526816
Probably, but its also an elder scrolls book. Im not a fan of the games and Im kind of suspicious of tie-ins.

that said, im still hunting for passable food porn in sff. its disappointing that the only book series Ive found with more than a passing grade is The Hunger Games

>>13527727
Let me know if the rapist's ability to traverse through time comes from the paradox of him travelling back in time to impregnate his mother with himself, something he only finds out much later. I just might be interested if this is the case.

>>13528019
That's babby tier. Through his adventures he eventually realizes that he is the impegrenator of the entire species and in fact gave birth to the universe after raping the Ethereal Dark

What is a more interesting way you've seen a magic or unexplained power used in a story (pretty much the mcguffin that makes the people do the thing) ?
And what is your preferred way of it working ?
Should everyone get a part of the action or should it be for the old and knowledgeable characters ?
I just want to get some input from other anons because I can only think of it being used by old dudes in robes and nothing that kind of shows a progression to becoming that old dude in a robe (other than maybe harry potter).

>>13528058
I like when a big giant man breaks in to my house in the middle of the night and brings me cake to tell me I'm a wizard

>>13521220
Well Dark Souls works because the main plot device is that the successor would be the one with the dark soul (as in not rekindling the fire and letting it die out killing the chain of rebirth and death).
Bloodborne works the same way in that the sickness is spread through blood.
Think of a thing or major plot device in your book and what could work as a title.

>>13521257
You mention that the guy is a serial killer in a grimdank world. Does the grimdark serial killer work alone or in a group ? What is his group called or something like a codename/calling card ?
You could swing it in a way that warhammer did it when they had the old fantasy version just called warhammer but the IN SPACE version called warhammer 40K.
With this I mean that you could simply has a name for the world where he gets captured (the warhammer part) and simply add a bit on the end denoting him being sent to hellraiser world.
I'd be more than happy to help brainstorming, it's 40 degrees C and no way I can get any sleep tonight.

>>13526954
I would but I'll read anything just to see what it's about.
also I secretly love grimdark stuff like dork souls and 40K

>>13528023
Sounds awful. You can only increase the scope and scale of a story so much before I stop giving a shit entirely.

>>13528161
>don't want to read a book about a normal every day Patrick Bateman who schizo's himself in to becoming a rapist eventually discovering a broken down time machine and using it to go back and rape his mom who he had the hots for which created a paradox
That's just book one, in the end though he's still a schizo and was just in a padded room from book 3+ eating his own jizz from a condom

>>13528115
Dark Souls is Nobledark.

>>13528115
Thanks for your ideas, a title referring to the world is good. The hell dimension where he is sent as a punishment would actually be the far future of his world where the hellraiser demons/godhand were unleashed after an invocation (it would be the plottwist). I'm going to sleep since i'm a yuropoor but i'm always in this general so i'll @ you if you're interested

>>13528058
Pls no steal but "magic" in my sword&planet™ novel is caused by sentient snake-like creatures who have the capability of instantly transporting matter. "Mages" are people who could form alliances with these aliens and kinda used them like magic pets/friends, so to speak.
Kinda like, say there's a cat that can breathe fire. So to become a fire mage you strap your cat to your hand and use it to throw fire at your enemies.
But then you can only use your magic when your magical friend wants or can.

But whatever, I don't use and also don't like the mcguffin plot device. Generally speaking though, I never liked the whole "magic and mystique can only be used and understood by old breaded men in robes."
Don't get me wrong, I love me some Gandalf and dislike modern fantasy as much as the next person, but I want magic to be theoretically accessible to a wide variety of people while still being hard to use or to acquire, and I still want magic to "feel" mystical. While the whole mechanics of magic users are thoroughly explained, there's still the question why are these aliens capable of doing that magical thing.

A ramble but I made my point.

>>13520913
I have a decent idea for a large series of stories around a single plot device as it goes around shaping history beyond our understanding.
The problem being is that I'm having immense issues with converting my thoughts to text like how the hell do you write conversations between apes for example and other such things.
I can see the things I want to show people in my head but writing them down in a meaningful way is troubling.
The good news is that I do have a clear idea of what I want to make in terms of a story but I'm just trying to find a proper medium for it since
I'm torn between making it a very long series of novels for each setting or simply making it into a game/series of games after the story draft is done.
I'm not sure what genre I would put the story in since it moves from before man was created and it's creation, to several ages in antiquity where we see the collapse of several great ancient empires because of the mcguffin, the age of exploration in the 1800's where they find it again after it was lost to time (or more likely hidden away to avoid it from fucking everything up again), the third world war in the 50's , a cyberpunk esque world in the 80's (think early shadowrun-esque cyberpunk where they still had the bulky decks, ribbon cables and everything worked with floppies), modern age where we are now with the changes of the plot device, early future (we are on mars but not much more than that + humans can literally update programs with implants to learn a language fluently in seconds kind of tech among some other stuff), the collapse of mankind (the mcguffin tries to make a clean slate but doesnt get the chance to finish the job), Post Human Collapse (people live in a post collapse world where the supercities of the future are mostly buried in sand or covered in moss from centuries of abandonment, people are able to do what they think is magic but it's not really, 95% of humanity died in the collapse), The Rebirth/Death of Mankind.

>>13528023
It's shit. It could almost be interesting if he was the progenitor father, reversed as a God for a civilization, since he time-raped some women in ancient times and his unnatural future self and insight was seen as divine by the women and his children and whoever else he came across. So after he went away, those people made a whole damn religion around him and in time it conquered a whole nation.

>>13528115
>>13528202
Leave a kik if you are interested to chat with me, I like criticisms on my work, or don't I'm not a cop

>>13527928
>>13526816
It was supposed to be *cooking book anon would like this*
The flavoursanon. The one that wants food magic and rat kings.

>>13528070
He genuinely was the best thing in those books though.

>>13528236
I guess mine works in a similar fashion but the mcguffin just works to unlock the innermost desire of someone and makes it real (not quite like a wish but it gives them the power to do what they wish to accomplish).
Eventually humans figure out how to share this good version of the mcguffin power with everyone on earth so magic/superpowers becomes an actual kind of thing (for better and for worse).
However the power you gain depends on who you are (cutting it a little close to MLP territory but whatever) and grows as you change as a person.
A person with a great desire to help people will have no trouble finding a way to use their gift to heal wounds, calm people or help them in other ways but will find it incredibly difficult to use a power that makes them hurt others.
I dont dislike the old dudes in robes trope either but they're always so upbeat.
Every old person in a profession that they've been in for the last 40+ years that I've met so far has been a big ball of hatred.

>>13528202
>>13528285
I dont have a kik but I frequent these threads a bunch and I'm always willing to give input on stuff anons write here.

>this entire thread

Any opinions on Uprooted, lads?
Picked it up on a whim and I've been enjoying it. About half-way through.

>>13528472
I started writing with the preconception that I will never make any money off my writing if I want to keep any sort of creative integrity because I refuse to sell my soul to the publisher jew.

I am free.

>>13528236
My idea is comparable, in that humans have little power and "sorcery" is basically just persuading spirits to do things for you. But they come and go as they please so it's more a matter of being able to persuade whatever is around to lend you a hand.
So in theory anyone can get lucky, and an amateur might have the right sort of charm to work wonders. But in practise you need to know about how to talk to spirits to persuade them of anything.

has anyone read the Powder Mage books? are they any good?

>>13528515
They’re pretty fun. Nothing groundbreaking but enjoyable enough. Especially Taniel chapters.

>>13527928
Delicious in Dungeon is a manga series about making food out of the monstrous denizens of a dungeon. It might be what you are looking for.

>>13528515
Gay feminist shit

>>13528483
You're just a low IQ goy blaming "the Jew" for your failure. You will stop being an anti-Semite if you have sex.

>>13528694
The jew part is really not my point. Jew or not, I will not compromise my vision for the sake of a marketable product.

>>13528702
How do you think it feels being Jewish and constantly being attacked even if "the jew part is really not my point". Think about other people's feelings before you post goy.

>>13528715
Shut the fuck up kike. The six gorillion never happened, but I wish it had.

>>13528472
As opposed to what? Endless bitching about charts?

>>13528722
The Holocaust was very real and we will never forget the six million. My grandparents died in the Holocaust but we're getting our revenge on you filthy white gentiles now. You won't exist a century from now. Your grandchildren will be dead or brown.

>>13528735
You can keep this dying world. Above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

>sadpanda is getting shut down

>>13528743
It's not yours to give goy. White gentiles already lost all the power they had.

>>13528735
>>13528722
>>13528715
>>13528702
>>13528694
Can you take it to /pol/ or whatever? I don't want yet another one of my fantasy threads spoiled by you rotten beasts. I swear to whatever god is there, that this political silent war is the true cause of all modern man's suffering. Both of these "sides" go way over themselves to undermine and humiliate the other. You are all disgusting, putrid to the very soul if you had one. Begone, leave this thread, leave this earth, leave my damn universe alone and in peace.

>>13528750
WHAT THE FUCK SOURCE?

>>13528483
Did you play infinity wars? It was my favorite of any card game. It could have been really great if it got bigger.

>>13528771
check any board. everyone is talking about it.
sadpanda is hosted in the netherlands and they had a legislative change recently.
host told the owner to get off because hosting them is not possible there anymore. owner now looks for alternative hosts but because sadpanda hosts a lot of loli/shota stuff it doesnt look good. everyone is told to back up everything they want to keep.

well known sadpanda mod posted over at /h/

>>>/h/5411286

>>13528760
Whatever makes you feel better about the absolute joke that is your so-called holy land.

The sheep are waking up, and the common man is beginning to hate. I hope your god will have mercy on your child-molesting soul, because the white man has committed atrocities a thousand times greater than anything that little german man could have imagined, and he will do so again.

The yellow vests are only the beginning. Your bloodlines will burn and your legacy will be scoured from this world with nuclear hellfire, and no amount of impotent posturing will save your holy land from becoming a glass monument to the wrath of the white man.

>>13528294
yes, I know, that's why I answered the call

>>13528783
Thanks for heads up,i was going to read some scifi but now i'm gonna spend the rest of the day downloading shota doujins.

>>13528515
they are ok, i thought the first book was probably the best

>>13528482
I started it long time ago and then stopped for some reason but i remember enjoying it . Thanks for reminding me about it anon

>>13528515
Boring. I actually reread 70% of the first one before realizing I'd already read it before.

>>13528115
>a grimdank world.
unironically are there any fantasy literary kinos set in a "grimdank" world?

Can anyone recommend me a good space opera?

>>13529051
Can I interest you in sword and planet?

>>13529051

Might I recommend John Carter if one wants a classic adventure space opera?

Or: Jack Vance's Demon Princes, a space opera of revenge!

If you want a single book: The Stars My Destination

>>13521746
>The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath is Lovecraft's masterpiece.
Enormous yikes

When does this stops being a character-based drama and starts being a sci-fi novel?

>>13529127
>>13529127
>>13529127
>>13529127
It's time

>>13521220
use the JoJo method, name it after a prog album

Rereading The Martian and it's MLP crossover really got me in the mood for some sci-fi/fantasy/space survival books. Any recs?

>>13522903
There's a Bloomer chart in there that doesn't have flex mentallo on it, and that makes me mad

>>13527329
>Fiona
Based as fuck. Glad to see I'm not the only man of culture on this board.

>>13527388
>Grimdark didn't evolve from S&S
Are you a functional member of society or are you one of those retards that has to wear a mask?

>>13527747
This. Rape is the #1 fantasy of ALLL WOMEN. They won't admit it, but that's kinda the point