/lit/ - Literature

>>13501037
Rhetoric and Persuasion

>>13501037
Read Berdyaev. Seriously, read Berdyaev. Start with Slavery and Freedom.

>>13501037
the same door never opens twice.

>>13501056
>went to my front door
>opened it twice
what now?

>>13501056
can you expand upon this?

>>13501056
deep

an idea that has helped me is that I imagined my mind as the most damaged part of me and also the most important part to cultivate. you can "look ok" and be decently socialized/intelligent/cultured but none of that matters

I would envision myself as lower than people who sit in wheelchairs with mangled bodies because that is seriously what you're dealing with

it might sound dramatical at first but the world is a creation of the mind and if your mind is unwell it follows that you'll create a living hell for yourself and others. realizing the importance of a healthy mind is crucial

one part of a healthy mind is forgiveness. realizing the importance of forgiveness was a huge thing for me, I never even knew you could direct those kinds of feelings towards yourself. another step was to cultivate a "healthy" inner image of a woman that forgave me and accepted me. it's quite literally a maria-substitute. it's important to let go of anger and bitterness towards women, that stuff will weigh tremendously on you and that might be okay if you're a "normal" guy but it's a complete waste of time and energy if you're a listless neet

basically I encourage a kind of cargo cult christianity. I have other tips and tricks if you're interested

>>13501138
i'm interested.

>>13501138
go on

>>13501037

the whole catalog of the world's literature lad, each day brings a new travel of thought, im so grateful to be alive right now

>>13501187
very based anon

>>13501056
Prove it

>>13501037
Man stands before the abyss of being or non-being. And he cannot dominate this abyss by his own powers: he needs help from above. This is a divine-human matter. And if in our time the very existence of man is threatened, if man is being torn apart, this is just because he has depended only on himself and his own powers. Man is passing through what is perhaps the most dangerous period of his whole existence. But I do not think that man's fate is quite hopeless. This hopelessness is only here, not in the beyond. For we believe that the world's history will not go on endlessly, that the world and history will end. But this means that we do not believe in the possibility of a final solution in this world, on this earth, in this our time. ... But this should not hinder man's creative action, and his realization of justice here and now, for man's creative acts will affect the end itself. The end is a Divine-human matter. And the final word, which belongs to God, will include a word of man, as well.

>>13501037
>wasted his youth, time, energy
The energy is the real kicker, I wish I NEETed this whole time, wouldn’t have made a difference

>>13501243
I like this

>>13501248
being NEET is suffering though, why would you want to become one?

>>13501267
Because I’d rather be an incel with my health?

Too much philosophizing. Reading won’t help. Making a difference in your life will help. Of course doing everything all at once is quite intimidating, so you work on trying to fix one thing at a time, building up to adding more to your plate because you’ll slowly be becoming less of a goddamn loser so you can handle more after a while.

Reading books won't help you deal with anything. You'll probably end up looking for things that justify what you're currently doing, leading to a feedback loop that changes nothing beyond your self perception of your current state. If you actually want to change things, you should just go outside and do things that take you out of your comfort zone.
My uncle was had no gf until 35, then he met a girl his age at a train watching club. Now they are married and own an alpaca farm.

>>13501371
How old was she and do they have children?

>>13501056
Bad advice.

>>13501145
>>13501146
I quite literally believe in the inner child and it's an important topic when considering the situation of neets

you most likely have hurt your inner child, it sees the failed adult you have become and it's afraid of you because it sees that you can't protect it. heal that relationship. find images, mental or otherwise, and reconnect with the child you were and the child that still exists. I broke down and cried the first time I seriously engaged with the memories of myself as an innocent kid, playing around and hoping for wonderful things. it's such a pure mode of thinking and reconnecting with that part of myself was the most beautiful experience of my life

your child will not detest you for being a loser "parent" who tries his best but it will detest an out of control adult who lashes out at everyone.

find a father figure. it doesn't matter if it's zizek, hitler, stalin or justin trudeau. find someone who inspires you and gives you life and print his image and place it somewhere so he can see what you're doing, let him judge you, interact with him, consider his point of view

another essential part is a good foundational memory. here's a quote from dostoevsky

“You must know that there is nothing higher and stronger and more wholesome and good for life in the future than some good memory, especially a memory of childhood, of home. People talk to you a great deal about your education, but some good, sacred memory, preserved from childhood, is perhaps the best education. If a man carries many such memories with him into life, he is safe to the end of his days, and if one has only one good memory left in one's heart, even that may sometime be the means of saving us.”

>>13501478
thank you

>>13501478
so in summation:
mind is everything. an unhealthy mind is seriously more debilitating than being a wheelchair-bound freak. I'm not exaggerating, this is the most important part to understand. you're not "lazy" or a loser incel, you're a seriously handicapped person. a mind gone astray will manifest hell on earth in one way or another. it will also help you with feelings of regret. do you think wheelchair bound people are regretful about not being able to run around and play? to a certain degree, sure, but they never expected to run in the first place
as a neet you expected sex, relationships and friends and that is why it hurts so much. realize that you were just as handicapped as a wheelchair bound person, if not more. wheelchair bound people are at least aware of the situation they're in

cultivate a healthy non-sexualized image of a woman in your mind, a woman who forgives you and soothes you. someone who accepts you for the wretch you are. imagine a maria.

reconnect with your inner child. it amazes me that no one talks about this when it comes to neets but being an incompetent loser filled with rage is the scariest thing to a child. see yourself as the innocent kid you were and the kid you're now responsible for. talk to it, let it play, let it be curious, let it know that you're trying to be better. it's a tremendous help in cultivating empathy and a kinder inner voice

get a father figure. someone who inspires you and motivates you to work and be better, someone who is fair and wise. put this image on the fucking wall

a foundational memory. you can literally rebuild your life from one good pure memory.

also it goes without saying, all that other basic stuff. exercise, good sleep, get out there, socialize, don't jerk it all the time etc etc

>>13501572
god bless

>>13501285
I can't stop comparing myself to other people. I see people my age a few years into their careers, getting married, having kids, etc. and I don't even know what I want to do with my life yet. It's not even that I feel like a loser I just don't feel like a responsible adult.. I feel like a kid who hasn't grown up yet.

It's a mental illness in a way, these negative thoughts just invade my mind and make me feel stuck and hopeless.

>>13501585
I feel so pathetic for even thinking this way. But I feel there's so much pressure on me.. it kind of feels I will never catch up to my peers.. they are so far ahead of me.

>>13501056
The same door will open again if you break it down

>>13501056
true, a better one will open up
>while you're distracted moping over the first one

Just any old self-help book will do; preferably something for nerds that compares life to a video game

>>13501594
I used to feel this way and this line of thought still creeps in occasionally.
Keep in mind that the public only ever show their good side, we don't know their inner thoughts, a big portion of them could feel like irresposible losers despite the image of success they project.

Ultimately, the only thing that you control is you yourself. You can lay down and drown in your misery or work toward becoming a better person by your own standards. The choice is yours.

ecclesiastes

>>13501138
>>13501478
>>13501572
Blessed posts

>>13501037
Make a tulpa

>>13501042
On point, I used to shill hard this book some time ago and I'm happy to see it so well brought up in a thread like this.

>>13501594

>he thinks he has peers

Do most people do things out of fear of being left behind, missing out, etc.? This is an open question to everyone in this thread, because I'm genuinely curious -- if you had no one your own age to compare yourself to, no one your own age you cared about, would you bother with anything?

>>13503261
I would like an answer to that as well.

>>13501572
I feel much better now. Thank you anon. God bless.

>>13503261
I don't fear missing out on anything, I KNOW I am missing out. And to top it off I waste most of my free time on stupid shit.

i wanted to go on a with a blogpost about how i've been forced into a shitty situation but reading anons /blessed/ posts i decided it would be nicer if i didn't
nobody wants to read about the ramblings of a successful loser

>>13501689
At the end of the day,they still have a good side to show

>>13501138
>another step was to cultivate a "healthy" inner image of a woman that forgave me and accepted me. it's quite literally a maria-substitute.

I used to do this, but then stopped because it was delusional. I can't pretend a woman accepts and forgives me.

>>13501425
>"My uncle had no gf until 35,"
>"then he met a girl his age"

nice reading comprehension brother :P

>>13501572
>a foundational memory. you can literally rebuild your life from one good pure memory.

And if I don't have one?

>>13503627
Missed that. So he decided to betabux for some roastie? Tragic.

>>13503261
I'm wondering this too.

>>13503261
Yes. I want a gf even if we live alone in the woods.

My diary desu

Also Mars by Fritz Zorn which I saw recommended here before. Kino.

>>13504415
i want a gf TO live alone in the woods with

>>13501638
lol

>>13501138
>>13501478
>>13501572
+1

>>13501572
very intrigued by your posts here.

can you explain further what a foundational memory is?

>>13501051
Give me a rundown?

Welcome to the NHK, there is an anime about it as well but it's based off of the book.

"The story revolves around a 22-year-old asocial individual who gets aid from a strange girl who seems to know a lot about him, despite never having met him before. Common themes throughout the story deal with depression, isolation, existential dread, the hardships of life and how people must deal with them in their own way. The novel analyzes profusely the hikikomori phenomenon, which is relatively widespread in Japan."

It's a pretty decent read.

https://7chan.org/lit/src/Tatsuhiko_Takimoto_-_Welcome_to_the_NHK_novel.pdf

>>13504500
Loved this when I first read it in 2013. Similar to Confederacy of Dunces in its manic absurdity.

>>13501585
>I don't even know what I want to do with my life yet
I know what you mean, especially as someone who thought he had his shit together but now realizes he doesn't. It's important to understand that everyone is maturing and progressing at his own pace.

>tfw want a wife but not children

lads, how do i feel true love? last time i was truly in love was 8 years ago and i was too beta to ask her out so one of my friends snatched her. now i never feel love towards women, i just feel lust

>>13505589
Lust is manchild-tier. But I know that feel. Fell hard for a girl in 2015 but was too much of a pathetic coward to even talk to her despite receiving what I think were signals. Often think of her and feel like shit.

>>13505599
>Lust is manchild-tier
i know. this is why i dont even try to fuck them since masturbation is on the same tier. i just want to love and be loved

>>13501138
forgiveness is very important. I have a near constant negative inner voice and I started forgivng it no matter what it said. The voice is you after all, and it's merely crying out for unconditional love. It's finally starting to go away.

>>13504500
That anime sucked hard after the first episode. I doubt the book is much better.

>>13501037
>mid-20s
Surely you mean late 20s?

>>13501572
Thanks man

Is it possible to make friends as an adult? I haven't gone out socially in almost a decade. Feels lonely.

>>13505861
Yes, but you have to try. I fucked up by burnings bridges with some guys I was friendly with in my late teens, because I didn't think they really needed me in their life. Wish I had more effort to maintain our friendship.

>>13501056
you cannot step in the same stream twice

>>13505874
Shut the fuck up Heraclitus!

>>13501594
Imposter syndrome is very real and common with young adults. I'm in a same situation as you right now but I can tell that your life and worth isn't measured by wealth or your employment status. Being able to reflect your own situation is a big step towards change and recovery, if you desire it.

>>13505861
>be me
>go through uni
>make no friends
>get a job
>make no friends
well
guess i'll have no friends then

>>13501037
either/or by kierkegaard

>>13506009
Protip: it's you, not them

what are some books that a mentally ill neet should read to further him into the abyss of mental illness. In other words, what books should I read to fuck my shit up even more

please i am very eager to run my life into the ground through illness of the mind

>>13506096
pretty sure he gets that you needlessly dickish fuckhead

>>13504676
>tfw want children but not a wife

>>13506455
>tfw want both

>Diagnosed with schizoid personality disorder

Any books lol?

>>13506569

>>13506569
"Mein Tagebuch, um Ehrlich zu sein"

Let "The Foundation" guide you.

>>13501138
>>13501478
>>13501572

Based maria poster

Simplicius Commentary of Epictetus's Enchiridion

>>13501051

Really? Did reading Berdyaev of all people -really- provide you with insight you wouldn't have gotten otherwise?

You sure this isn't just about the novelty of citing a boring, somewhat obscure russian philosopher?

>>13504434

Based and tedpilled, same.

>>13501037
None of that applies to me, except for the lat bit that applies to everyone.
>h-how did you not become a NEET
I read Dante and Baudelaire as a teen. It's too late for you now.

You can go through a traumatic experience caused by your own shortcomings, start anew, take the first step, find religion, find a passion, and then realize it all meant nothing, and be back to square one.

Know that most people never realize their dreams, never change themselves. You are a part of this caste of losers, born to a prison, sentence: life. All you can do is accept this, stop being a puer aeternus, just take it a day at a time.