/lit/ - Literature

What does your society do with the dead?

sanderfag a hack

recommend me something with a good plot

>>13486244
Gaunt's Ghosts

The lack of shit links and rec charts is an improvement

Sci-fi is DEAD

>>13486244
Plot or PLOT?

Official /sffg/ author red flags:

>female
>under 50 with facial hair
>wears hat regularly
>suit jacket over t-shirt
>clean shaven but has piercings
>soiface

Haven't been here in over a year. I guess autistic posts like >>13486381 is the state of this place now.

>>13486161
>>>/tg/67240597

>>13486244
Chasm City

Finally neither missing nor range banned. Feels good man. Two weeks (give or take a day depending on time zone shenanigans, thread timings and your velocity relative to Earth) to deadline, get hype!

>>13486156
>best AIs
The Culture
the cat in Accelerando
Diaspora
Freeze-Frame Revolution and associated short stories
>genders
There are two genders, AIs don’t need one
>readan
Deepness in the Sky

>>13486161
Surface Detail

>>13486279
but what do I reeeeeeeed????!!!

>>13486381
out of 200 books on my goodreads, the only female is Mary Doira Russell

>>13486408
>4chins
>autismal
wow such insight

>>13486429
how dose it compare to Revelation Space (which I liked)?

Currently around 50 pages in. Does it get any better?

>>13486539
>commushit
no

>>13486161
In my sword and planet novel, burning and turning the body into a pile of ash the size of microns. There's realistically nothing else to be done with corpses. However there's a civilization of xenos that eats the corpses. When killing someone they inject the victims with an altering venom which turns the flesh spongy and easy to consume.

>>13486509
There are 2 sexes but it's condescending to assume that gender is binary as according to those 2 sexes.

>>13486576
XX
XY
anything else is a disgusting mutation that should have been aborted

>>13486580
Again, you're talking about sexes not gender.

>>13486156
>Would an AI recognize itself with a gender if it was created by humans, or genderless?
Depends, was it created with a gender or not?

>>13486601
they’re the same thing, gb2tumblr

>>13486604
Ok, let me ask you this. Is AI independent thougth, or is it simply a simulation of whatever the creator wanted to impose upon it?
If the AI is true and independent, then under which circumstances would it adopt a gender? I'd say only when it would be a part of a creation process. That's being said, its gender wouldn't be specifically woman or man. That's just a human construct, but if two independent thoughts take part in the creation of another, then both of them could be assigned genders.

Now, the real question: under which circumstances would an independent AI assume the form of a robotic womanoid. Not a woman android, but a robot with vaguely womanish characteristics.

>>13486610
In language there's at least 3 genders. They aren't in any way attached to chromosomes or sex. Why do you insist on being a dense idiot?

>>13486658
because I’m not a tranny

>>13486663
You had at least 2 chances to back up whatever your claims are with arguments, and you keep acting like a fool. Consider this discussion over.

>>13486666
enjoy your daily dialations

There is no better book than this. Prove me wrong. You can't

>>13486655
Your second option is more correct than the first. AI is exactly what it means, an artificially created intelligence. What do you mean by independent?

>>13486538
It's good as well.

>>13486655
it would run stats and see that people respond better to females so it would go with that or it would be a mascot as to be max not threatening.
>>13486700
he means the dream version where AI is a living being minus all the negative parts

>>13486244
what is a good plot?

>>13486156
Format for next thread once chart anon is done throwing his monthly fit.

Monthly Reading for July: The Library at Mount Char by Scott Hawkins

Monthly Reading books: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15ZwgDZVXB-nLqjbgcqgntZDyTddd0eqP

Fantasy:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105363.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21328.jpg
Flowchart:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21327.jpg

Science Fiction:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/def184ad8f/124507.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/b44928ae11/114401.jpg
General:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21332.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21330.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21333.jpg

SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php


Previously:
>>13471912
>>13456614
>>13441921
>>13430053
>>13414533

Are they still on Namek?

Incest is hot to write about but at the same time I still find it disgusting. Is this the duality of man?

>>13487619
yes

Again with the fantasy,

>>13486580

You know there are literally people born with XY-chromosomes that have functioning female sex organs? Just google XY-Woman.

>>13487619
That's part of the appeal, anon.

>>13486244
John Scalzi, Old Mans War

>>13486408
its not autism anon, it's pseudo-intellectual incel elitism.

people here legitimately think they're superior for which childrens books they shit on in posts on a cartoon imageboard

>>13486156
Whoever makes the new threads remember to bring back the charts.

>>13487800
Nice try, John.

>>13486240
You know we got people banned for pulling trolls like this, right? Continue at your own peril.

>>13486381
>Official /sffg/ author red flags:
>>female
Maas, etc

>>under 50 with facial hair
Rothfuss

>>wears hat regularly
GUR-Martin

>>suit jacket over t-shirt
Sanderson

>>clean shaven but has piercings
China Melville

>>soiface
??????
Who has a bean extract face to you anon? Also you're predictable.

>>13487304
It says they are on Blue's Waters, are you blind?

>>13487742
you now realize that right one hasn't shaved her legs in a while

>>13487848
dw, this anon throws the same tantrum once every month, it goes back to normal in the next thread.

>>13487882
>soiface
Scott Lynch if I had to guess.

>>13486539
It takes a while to get into it. And when you do it's not like modern story telling.

>>13487856
fuck youj waht the fuck is wrong with his books is there a reason you fucking retards hate his books they are great he puts a good amount of effort into his writing and you ll just shit on him for no fucking reason its ridiculous GIVE ME A REASON

One looks like a man transitioning into a woman and the other looks like a woman transitioning into a man.

>>13487912
NICE
TRY
JOHN

>>13487912
Not that anon, I haven't read Scalzi but I plan to. Anyways, he triggers the pol tards around here because apparently he has some leftist views and puts them in his books.

>>13488005
See
>>13487988

>>13487304
I'm On A Boat

>>13487800

I only read it because the goodreads algorithm recommend it to me and it had a high rating
Never in my life have I read such a pile of shit sci-fi novel, I will never trust goodreads ratings ever again

>>13488005
>rightwing views
fixed that for you

>>13488038
FFFFFUUUUUUCK!

This books titular character is a female AI, and also it is one of the best books I've ever read and you all should read it if you consider yourself sci-fi fans. It's hard sci-fi written by an actual biologist and features commentary on overpopulation and climate change that was way ahead of its time and no one fucking knows about it.

>>13488056
FUUUUUCK I confused him with Vox Day

>>13488058
>TJ Bass
>Bass

>>13488005

I got more of a right-wing vibe from Old Man‘s War if I’m being honest

>>13488085
I don't get it

>>13488005
/pol/tards are triggered because a fat neo nazi bible thumping redneck who wont shut up about niggers and mexicans ruining the USA is treated like an annoying character that none of the other characters like.

>>13488096
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_(fish)

>>13488103
You tell em John

>>13487295
I genuinely want to lock you up and slowly torture you.
What is so hard to understand about "a chart containing brent weeks is not a good chart"? Literally just remove that shit and there will be no fits anymore. You can replace it with a link to Fantasy masterworks or some shit.

/lit is making fun of us AGAIN

>>13488337
/lit/ is nothing but depressed virgins making threads looking to "read" their way out of their situation. I wouldn't give a shit what /lit/ has to say.

>>13487304
what do you mean?
It's the first book of a new story. What is dragging about it?

>warned for racism
Hey retard janny fuck you. That wasn't a fucking meme. That is an actual character in the book, his name is Leon Deak and he hates niggers and he hates mexicans. He dies of a heart attack because he is such a fat retard, hopefully you will follow suit. Imagine not being able to talk about a character in a book on the board for books because some fat retard janny can't deal with fictional characters

>>13488444
Checked

The other thread has a better premise
>Venus at night is a field of sable waters. On the coasts, you can never tell where the sea ends and the sky begins. Dawn is like dumping milk into an inkwell. First, there are erratic curdles of white, then streamers. Shake the bottle for a gray colloid, then watch it whiten a little more. All of a sudden you’ve got day. Then start heating the mixture.

>>13488444
they're too busy ignoring the off topic blog threads to properly enforce the rules

>>13488104
Oh, thanks anon

POST MORE BIONICLE BRAPPERS

>>13488392
Just a tad bit too much time on, and focus at Horn's sloop and the operation of it, and I was really exited to get back to the Whorl

>>13486538
Read The Prefect then read its great sequel.

>>13487295
>only one person can ever dislike the OP
Please get your mental illness treated.

>Mt Char
>Carolyn, blood-drenched and barefoot, walked alone down the two-lane stretch of blacktop that the Americans called Highway 78. Most of the librarians, Carolyn included, had come to think of this road as the Path of Tacos, so-called in honor of a Mexican joint they snuck out to sometimes. The guacamole , she remembered, is really good .
Fucking cringe. I'm not wasting my time with this shit

>>13487295
Nope, that Sf&F author listing and NPR bullshit have to go

>>13488444
>He dies of a heart attack because he is such a fat retard, hopefully you will follow suit

>>13489278
>Publication date 2015
What did you expect?

are these any good or they one of those books that mistake lore for story?

>>13489341
There's story, it doesn't really bother with explaining lore that much.

>>13489341
>or they one of those books that mistake lore for story?
Definitely not.
The main critique from people is that there isn't enough lore to gently guide them in, you get dropped straight into the action and the world is not fleshed out through huge exposition drops but relatively sparsely over the course of the books.

Personally I think they are really great, maybe try picking up the first book, if you enjoy it you will also enjoy the rest.

>>13486658
confusing grammatical gender with natural gender is a rookie linguistic mistake take some classes or something and then come back here

>>13489341
it's shit.

just some dude writing down his shitty roleplay sessions in his donut steel fantasy world.

>>13489652
Where does this meme come from? Not saying it's not influenced by dungeons and dragons or whatever, but the author literally says in the introduction that he pitched the series as a movie script. When no one in Canada (lmao) wanted to do it, he made it into a novel, hence the cringy writing.

>>13488058
>female
>AI
>overpopulation
>climate change
Sounds pretty dated desu.
I'd rather reread Rifters even if it is written by a Canadian.

>>13488444
Fucking tranny jannies.

>>13489712
That's somehow even worse.

So I wanted to run my idea by you guys.
I am talking about bottom of the barrel quality, quick cash grab that even I can churn out.
You know all those cringy low-key softcore porn, fetishy harem novels like Tamer of Dinosaurs and other assorted shit? Well my idea is that in the future there are like these Porkemon fights, but instead of some stupid animals, all the fighting is being down by really hot chicks.
What do you guys think?
The chinks can be robots, products of genetic engineering, whatever. The one important thing is that they are super hot and bloodthirsty. I am still not sure if I should include them evolving over time (like bigger tits and stuff).

>>13489799
Already done.

Been reading all the Greg Egan novellas.

Some are hard to follow (never had to take notes on a non-academic read before) but still worth it.

I want to delve into his alternate physics universes but I can't get past the math on his website yet...

>>13489846
*and short stories.

>>13489846
Axiomatic (the collection) was fucking wild

>>13489846
I'm on a huge John C. Wright kick, I've also heard Charles Sheffield is good, should I give Axiomatic a shot? I'm craving insane out there sci-fi

Currently reading Senlin Ascends, really comfy

>>13489328
I had high hopes after reading last months book
>Why could you not have left me as I was, in the sea of being?
>Because the world has need of your humility, your piety, your great teaching and your Machiavellian scheming.
Pure fucking kino
This month:
>OMG I love tacos haha
>OMG same haha tacos4lyfe haha

Any recs for feels like pic related?

>>13490083
took me really long to finish Lord of Light (1,5 years of on-and-off reading I believe, reading other books in-between) but it was well worth it.

>>13486689
Blocks your path

Any books where the protagonist or a character plays 4d chess? Like he's a "good guy pretending to be a bad guy, pretending to be a good guy" type of thing, and beshizzles everyone with his plans?

>>13489720
Please read it. No one else will. I need people to know about it, it's so God damn good.

>>13490163
Just go watch code geass again anon

>>13490196
what is the code geass of literature

>>13490163
Plenty books. I read one recently where they were everywhere.

>>13490215
Want to know this too

>>13490163
The Darkness that comes before unironically

>>13490163
most Culture books

>>13489360
>>13489367
Holy shit are you retards retarded or something? The entire series is almost nothing but world-building with only the faintest hint of an overall story attached to it.

>>13489712
It literally started out as his own home-brewed RPG that he and his friend played together THEN turned into a movie script THEN turned into an overrated and beyond bloated book series.

>>13490163
The MC in 'Count to a Trillion'-series was supposedly a pretty smart guy

>>13489341
It's the worst example of world-building > story that I've ever read. And it's bloated beyond measure; even Erikson himself said he should have dialed it down. There is some awesome stuff in the book (Erikson is great at writing action and battles), but you'll eventually reach a point where it feels like shit is happening just to happen.

>download 12 books collecting all of REH's stories
>find out there's stories of his not in any of these books
If anyone can find Marchers of Valhalla online send that shit my way.

Just about done with Beneath Twisted Trees and I have to ask: do you think Blade Maidens are using necromancy when they pull on the hearts of their enemies?

Anilla used it with her necromancy powers, and part of the blade maiden initiation rites is being poisoned to near death. Granted, the blade maidens don't have the need for vengeance to keep them alive, but maybe they're a lesser case, or maybe the hate of the asirim sustains them?

Blade Maidens lol

>>13490722
What???
Have you read a single word from it, because the world building is basically non-existent in the first book, except for sparse hints here and there.
It is entirely focused on the characters and the plot, which is 100% self evident if you had bothered to read any of it.

>>13489652
>just some dude writing down his shitty roleplay sessions in his donut steel fantasy world.
That isn't actually an argument against the book being an engaging and interesting read.

Criticising a work based on "how" it was written, and not by "what" is in it is pure retardation.

Wolfe so good
read everything (not really) and staving
Sanderson so bad ;(

>>13490792
>t's the worst example of world-building > story that I've ever read.
Where is the world building?
I truly can't find it, the entire books are focused on a plot that is happening right now and Revelations about the world are relatively sparse and usually happen quite organically within the story.
It's something I literally can't see.

>>13491412
I'm talking about the entire series, faggot.
>>13491433
It is universally agreed upon Erikson spends an exorbitant amount of time on world-building in Malazan. Hell people use it as a fucking selling point when they recommend the book.

I just realized why so many Fantasy authors have so many PoV Characters. Because holy shit try to write a good story above 250.000 words for just one protagonist without story-element repitition or character development stagnation.

>>13491464
>I'm talking about the entire series
Yes, I know.

>It is universally agreed upon
I don't give a fuck, as I simply can't seem to find more than sparse worldbuilding.

>Hell people use it as a fucking selling point when they recommend the book.
I usually see people recommending it based upon the world being interesting, which doesn't mean that there is any reliance on huge Info-drops or drawn out dialogues where people explain the world to each other.
Usually it is events happening within the plot of each book which reveal pieces of the past, but the amount of actual "worldbuilding" is rather limited.

>>13491470
This is why genres besides fantasy generally don't treat the epic trilogy as the default format of any acceptable story.

>>13491486
>as I simply can't seem to find more than sparse worldbuilding.
Then you must have been dropped on your head as a baby a few dozen times.

>>13491470
>I just realized why so many Fantasy authors have so many PoV Characters.
Because they're hacks.

>>13491497
>Then you must have been dropped on your head as a baby a few dozen times.
Nice argument...

>>13491502
I don't know what to tell you, anon. I mean... saying Malazan of all things has sparse world-building is the equivalent of saying pajeets have sparse street-shitting. It's universally agreed upon pajeets shit in the streets quite often and it's universally agreed upon that Malazan spends a lot of time on world-building.

>>13491513
>It's universally agreed upon
But than something evidently false is "universally agreed upon".
Read the books.

>>13491535
I've read the entire series. I especially loved how the last book ended with a character basically saying "lol2deep4u" when another character asked what exactly just happened. So yea I'm right and you're wrong. Erikson spent too much time world-building, WHICH HE ADMITTED TO IN AN INTERVIEW YEARS AGO, and too little time making his "story" make sense. That's what I meant here >>13490792 when I said that by the end it feels like shit was happening just to happen instead of an actual coherent story.

>>13491542
All that being said I would still rather read Malazan again than Prince of Nothing despite Prince of Nothing having an infinitely more coherent and put-together story with an infinitely less focus on world-building.

Give me some good SciFantasy like the older Final Fantasy games with magic maschines, crystalguns, energy-swords etc

>>13491711
Warmachine

>>13491535
>Read the books.
No

>>13491719
a little bit too much on the Sci-side of things

What are some fantasy books that feature incels correctly? Ironically I only found Tolkien with that creepy virgin elf that gets cucked by a human Chad and tries to get everyone killed in revenge (of course the human Chad foils it and kills the pathetic incel instead)

>>13491744
Imagine actually typing this out

>>13491711
Images of the Goddess and Mortu and Kyrus in the White City both by Schuyler Hernstrom

>>13491749
'sup incel

>>13491757
Cringe

>>13491761
cope

>>13491764
Seethe

>>13491779
have sex

Didn't the incel meme become this normie word now because of that one person that killed some people?

>>13491470
Battlefield Earth tries to stretch out one PoV to a thousand pages. It sucks but some people like it.

>>13491787
>one
There's been multiple incidents now of incels killing people in incel rage dude. This nigga threw a 5 year old boy off a third-floor mall balcony because he was angry women reject him.

>>13491744

>>13491800
damn wish it were real

>>13490083
what was last month's book?

>>13491830
You can find the history in either the OP or in thr monthly reading image.

>>13491800
>foreword by brian michael bendis

>>13491711
Unironically my novel:3

>>13490179
Nah, I have gotten tired of the overpopulation/climate change meme.

>>13491784
post body

Does anybody feel like they need to create a LOTR level setting before getting started writing as a form of procrastination?

>>13491924
Only epic fantasy writers.

Sword & Sorcery

>>13491884
I'd rather die than read you're novel.

>>13491960
>you're
your

>>13491951
Is anyone even writing stull like that anymore?
Seems awfully problematic desu.

>>13491960
You don't even know what it's about, its prose, anything really. You're just a tsundere

>>13491922
dilate

>>13491963
>Seems awfully problematic desu.
What's funny is the average fan of grimderp would probably agree with this statement despite grimderp being WAY more "problematic." I guess the difference being when Howard and lesser writers wrote scantily clad women into their stories it was for the purposes of titillation and to add layer of sexuality whereas grimderp writers will write about horrific and brutal rape and violence against female characters because that makes the story "deeper."

>>13491963
Problematic? Why?

>>13491963
>your
Jokes on you I was only pretending

>>13491989
It's all about sex and sexualization being huge taboo in clapistan but violence and torture porn a-ok
A scantily clad sexy feminine woman in distress saved by mega Chadhalf naked barbarian subway more problematic in post 2012 America than a woman raped and brutally murdered by an ugly (read incel) enemy soldier... because that's what was it like back in the days, huh?

>>13491983
read the sticky

>>13491989
>grimderp writers will write about horrific and brutal rape and violence against female characters because that makes the story "deeper."
I thought the point was giving the reader some fap material?

>>13492000
It has less to do with SJWs being offended and more to do with they simply don't want men to enjoy women (even fictional ones) in any way that's sexual from a man's point of view. Because like I said; SJWs seem to be big fans of grimderp and grimderp can feature some truly horrible violence against women whereas in Howard's Conan stories that feature scantily clad women barely anything bad happens to them at all compared to grimderp. They're just there for T & A purposes and that offends the snowflakes. They would rather read a story where a female character is brutally raped and murdered so long as it has a message behind it rather than read about a female character with her tits out being saved by a barbarian bad ass.

need an action thriller sci-fi mystery

>>13492027
Hyperion

>>13492027
https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Team-Galaxys-Edge-Book-ebook/dp/B073WQN9KM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=kill+team+galaxy%27s+edge&qid=1563523410&s=gateway&sr=8-1

I would describe it as Zero Dark Thirty IN SPAAAAAAAAACE. I don't know if it can be read on its own though since I read the first two books in the series first.

>>13491989
>>13492000
>>13492012
Shieeet, niggas, I was jus' baitin'.
And ya' all had to go anti-SJW on the merest provocation. Don't you get enough of that on other boards.

>>13491990
Cuz I was bored.
Let me tell you it won't happen again.

>>13492033
Wow that looks pretty bad.
I'll check it out.

>>13486267
Super fun read. All of his stuff is great

>>13492043
>Shieeet
>niggas
>jus'
>baitin'
>ya' all
>Cuz
At least /pol/tards can communicate their thoughts in English.

>>13492055
And pontificate endlessly about things they know nothing about, like bitches and hoes.

>>13492051
Have you read Embedded by Abnett?
It's a fun mil sci-fi romp.

>>13492061
>And pontificate endlessly about things they know nothing about
That's 99.9% of all political discourse, every political camp does that.

How do I make a jump drive 'work'

>>13492080
even horizon logic. its pretty much what every scifi with faster than light travel falls back to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtyySlBW6kk

>>13492080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtyySlBW6kk
Anything more in depth would require some serious prep work.

>>13492073
Of course, but only here do I get lectured on the inherent wickedness of women by emotionally stunted spazes.
Miss me with that shit.

>>13492061
I’ve only read his 40k stuff, honestly didn’t know he did anything else. I’ll have to check it out

>>13492097
>>13492103
event horizon mind

>>13492097
not to mention the logic is sound. time and both space can be manipulated with gravity.

>>13492103
>only here
Leave if you don't like it.

>inherent wickedness of women
That is common sense. In fact it is so much common sense that it is literally the origin story of the Abrahamic religions.

>>13492103
>>13492097
Nice, thank you and it aligns with what I've been thinking of so far.

I wanted to have something that could be suddenly discovered and have the ability/logic to scale for larger ships.

At this point I'm thinking of a 'Kinetic Drive' that uses a combination of fast speed and something very heavy spinning very fast that gets stopped very suddenly which has the effect of kicking it in to a wormhole

>>13490287
Aspect Emperor was the worst cliffhanger I've ever read in my life. Read through the six books and still can't see if Kelly was evil. Feels like the entire series was blue balling me and hope Bakker releases something conclusive with the final series. Still can't deny it's a good series and Bakker is good at driving away plebs with his rambling.

>>13492106
It's a fun read.
Not many Black Library authors can stand on their own.

>>13492107
LIBERATE TUTEME EX INFERNIS

>>13492108
You still end up with time travel on the down low and you still end up completely bborking up the causality.

>>13492108
>not to mention the logic is sound
It really is not.
It's pure speculation put into seemingly sensible words, tfat ultimately mean nothing at all from a scientific perspective.

>>13492110
There we go with the lecturing again.
Have a wicked, wicked thot to calm you down.
I assure you, she is the worst the (second only to Eve and your mother).

We came into that brutish hill country, with its squalling abysms of savagery and black primitiveness. We were a whole tribe marching on foot, old men, wolfish with their long beards and gaunt limbs, giant warriors in their prime, naked children running along the line of march, women with tousled yellow locks carrying babies which never cried–unless it were to scream from pure rage. I do not remember our numbers, except that there were some five hundred fighting-men–and by fighting-men I mean all males, from the child just strong enough to lift a bow, to the oldest of the old men. In that madly ferocious age all were fighters. Our women fought, when brought to bay, like tigresses, and I have seen a babe, not yet old enough to stammer articulate words, twist its head and sink its tiny teeth in the foot that stamped out its life.

>>13492156
Laying it on way too thick.

>>13492165
Stick to reading Sanderson if you consider that "too thick."

>>13492154
>lecturing
Not really.

>Have a wicked, wicked thot to calm you down.
I'd like a pure loving girl, but that seems impossible.

When I returned reeking with sweat and blood, my club horridly clotted with blood and brains, I noticed that my antagonist was regaining consciousness, and that a naked tousle-headed girl was preparing to give him the finishing touch with a stone she could scarcely lift. A vagrant whim caused me to check the blow. I had enjoyed the fight, and I admired the adamantine quality of his skull.

>>13492123
He was obviously evil. Just a different evil than the consult.

>>13492172
>I'd like a pure loving girl, but that seems impossible.
Oh no, it's terminal.
Good bye anon.

>>13492181
???
What's wrong with love?

>>13492169
>>13492175
This is so on the nose, it's almost comical.

>>13492209
See
>>13492169

>>13492211
"When I returned reeking with sweat, my bag horribly cluttered with frozen pizzas and Cheetos, I noticed that my antagonist has logged on again, and that a naked tousle-headed blood elf was preparing to give him the finishing touch with a spell she could scarcely cast. A vagrant whim caused me to check the spell. I had enjoyed the fight, and I admired the adamantine quality of his toon."

>>13492156
>>13492165
No, I agree with the man. It's too thick anon, and don't have the arrogance to mistake that for good , indecipherable prose. It's not. In fact the prose is bare bones and bad for what it's meant to convey: a man telling us what's going on.
Nobody talks like that. That's a third person narrator made into first person. It shows and it's grating.
And the text itself, with the information presented, is indeed thicc. It's indigestible, it's a brick, it does nothing for the reader, it has no literary nutrients, you feel me?

>>13492227
>>13492248
See
>>13492169

>>13492262
People will stop tearing you a new one when you stop posting badly written wish fulfillment.

>>13492304
>Robert E. Howard
>badly written
That's an OOF and a YIKES. You can admit you're a retarded zoomer who struggles with prose that was enjoyed by working-class pulp magazine readers almost a century ago who had no problem with Howard's prose. In fact Howard was one of the popular writers for Weird Tales and none of their readers ever complained about his prose being bad or indecipherable. And keep in mind these readers were indeed working class people and not highbrow literary types and they LOVED Howard's writing.

>>13492156
When we came into that brutish country of bare hills and dark, ugly things, we were carrying our elderly and our children on our backs. I won't speak this harsh of the women, they were carrying themselves, and I meant no ill words for the crippled of time past, or not yet arrived. This primitive land had taken its toll. Once, in an age before the one present, it used to be carpeted by underbrush and shrubbery, soft grasses which giant capybaras grazed. These days however, nothing lived, nothing grew.
Such are our times, giant warriors turned frail and brittle, men turned animal. But hard times made hard men and hard lands turns skin to stone. It turns children into adults far too early and will not let the olden warriors rest. It makes ferocity out of gentleness, it measures men, women and children... and finds them wanting.

How's this for an improvement?

>>13492156
When we first came into that brutish country of bare hills and dark, ugly things, we were carrying our elderly and our children on our backs. I won't speak this harsh of the women, they were carrying themselves, and I meant no ill words for the crippled of time past, or not yet arrived. But this primitive land had taken its toll. Once, in an age before the one present, it used to be carpeted by underbrush and shrubbery, soft grasses where giant capybaras fattened. These days however, nothing lived, nothing thrived. Giant warriors who should have turned frail and brittle, turned animal under the mountainous weight of this world. Such are the realities of our existence. Hard times made hard men and hard lands turns skin to stone. Too early it turns children into adults and will not let the olden warriors rest. It makes ferocity out of gentleness, it measures men, women and children... and finds them wanting.

There, this is way an improvement. Doesn't rely on useless information for word count. Nobody cares that children don't cry. Make the reader see that the land is harsh enough to make the children not cry. You're just -telling- us stuff instead of showing. Basic beginner mistake.

>>13492360
>>13492389
See
>>13492345

>>13492345
Let's just skip all your bullshit (especially about Robert Howard's popularity or lack thereof) - how much do you bench anon? And don't lie on the Internet, gods frown upon it.

>>13486156

>>13490931
Reh omnibus

>>13492394
>posts excerpt of shit writing
>"it's shit"
>REEE NOO, IT'S AN ACTUAL AUTHOR, YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S SHIT
it is shit anon

>>13491830
Roger Zelazny - Lord of Light

>>13492465
>>13492500
lol bugmen getting worked into a shoot by based REH's prose. Like I said earlier, queers; stick to Sanderson.

>>13486156
So I agree that this chart needs to be fixed. I don't think it should be removed because if you ignore about 4-5 authors the chart is decent and does seem useful. I'll either edit it or remake it removing the "bad" suggestions and maybe even add a few of my own.

Authors to be removed are:
Robert Jordan
Terry Goodkind
Jim Butcher
Brent Weeks
RA Salvatore

I'm on the fence about Eddings and Fiest, not a fan but they might be appropriate under Entry Level

I obviously haven't read everything on it so I'd appreciate some input if you want to see something added or removed.

>>13492853
I forgot to mention Memecrombie, he's gotta go too.

>why don't you like our books anon? :(

your response?

Niggers

>>13492888
heil

>>13490163
The Wizard of Anharitte and The Patterns of Chaos by Colin Kapp.

>>13492853
>removing simply mediocre authors
This is how you get no support for your chart. Remove the truly bad authors (Butcher, Weeks) and keep the average. The general chart is supposed to be general, not a list of the most highly acclaimed books.

>>13492567
Bro do you even lift?

>>13492875
Look at those two basedboys.

>>13493031
General chart is supposed to be a list of books that /sffg/ would tell you to read. Half the books on there haven't even been mentioned for months. And besides, even if we want a list of books by their influence/popularity rather than how highly acclaimed/popular on /sffg/ they are, there's a severe lack of super-important authors on there, and a bunch of literal-who's + memes.

>>13491796
Mall of America. My parents were there when that happened...

>tfw no Heroic Fantasy of Jesus battling the Roman Empire and pagan gods

>>13486240
based and truth pilled

Just read pic related.
I found it was a pretty good sanderson. much better than the reckoners, I found his main character's psychology much more believable than his usual fare. Although the other characters still suffer from his usual, one-dimensional gimmicky "everyone has one(1) personality trait and sticks to it". And as per usual, he can't do quirky humor to save his life.
What did you guys think?

Fantasy needs more Aryan barbarians battling Lovecraftian monsters and I'm glad we all agree.

>>13493531
ye

>>13493531
>good sanderson
Oxymoronic
WE DONT LIKE SANDERSON HERE

>>13493604
Half /sffg/ loves sanderson. That the community is split is precisely why he's talked about in literally every thread.

>>13493617
Yeah but the half that like him are shit eating morons with no taste so who cares what they say.

>>13493560
agreed. there's a severe shortage of indo-iranian fantasy

>>13493617
>Half /sffg/ loves sanderson
Nah, we just like to stir shit.

>>13493650
Sanderson is twice the man your fav author is, you numpty.

>finally find a psychologist in my price range
>turns out to be just a social worker

fuck, im never going to start writing again am I

>>13493763
Definitely not if you keep looking for excuses to not write.

Is science fiction inherently left-wing?
pic unrelated

>>13493834
no. most sci-fi and fantasy for that matter are pretty conservative in their subject matter.
the ones about transhumanism and six shitzilion sexualites are just often in the spotlight so it gives you that impression.

>>13493834
No but space operas usually are.

>>13493849
If only they were written better.

>>13493868
>alpha chad white man usually murdering xeno scum
>left-wing

Recc me a good book that will get me out of a reading slump

>>13493955
Pillars of the Earth

>>13493974
I tried reading it before and didn't like it

>>13493955
The Powers of Earth

>>13493955
Xianxia

>>13493031
I personally don't think Weeks and Butcher are on the same level. Of Butcher I've only read Codex Alera, but it just came across as airport novel fantasy- simply written, rigidly structured stories made primarily to be "cool" in concept and easy to read so as to attract a broad demographic. I wouldn't call it good but it's nowhere near as embarrassing as The Way of Shadows.

How would you defend against a ship moving at hyperspeed

>>13494120
Depends on the logic behind hyperspeed in your setting.

>>13494126
Star Wars

>>13494139
Star Wars doesn't really go into anything but the vaguest technobabble, so you can counter it with whatever technobabble you like.

>"Sir, they've deployed anti-hyperspeed fields."
>"Darn, we can't go into hyperspeed so close to a gravity well."
>"Hyperspeed won't do them any good once we've synced our hyperspeed drive to theirs."
>"Their space wizard has convinced the demon in our hyperspeed drive to betray us."

Pick whatever you like and whatever suits the plot.

>>13494165
>>"Their space wizard has convinced the demon in our hyperspeed drive to betray us."
This is the best one.

>>13493188
>and a bunch of literal-who's
Go to r/fantasy if you want to talk about popular shit

>>13494165
>"Darn, we can't go into hyperspeed so close to a gravity well."
This is the typical answer. FTL near the end of the system so you can still have space battles near the planets. Otherwise you'd just FTL on top of a shipyard, destroy it, and FTL out. That or the drive need recharging though I prefer the first option.

>>13493326
I-is Mary trying to grab jesus dick?

>>13494165
>>"Their space wizard has convinced the demon in our hyperspeed drive to betray us."
this should be more common really.
the only two novel series i can think of that come close to this are the spacemage series and the galactic mage.
and those are only very loosely similar. the former has technology slowly replace magic. and the latter has a mage from fantasyland become a space explorer and then stumble upon humanity and their space ships.

gimme some space magic novels /sffg/.

>>13494299
Soul Cycle series

>>13494327
looks neato. thanks.

>>13494299
Starship's Mage is what you're looking for.

>>13494339
read it. liked the first 2 but then i think the series took a nosedive.

>"Their space wizard has convinced the demon in our hyperspeed drive to betray us."
>this should be more common really.
I don't know how it's portrayed in the black library books as I haven't read any, but this is how W40K tech kinda works
Ork vehicles literally function on orks' belief it will work

>>13494299
see
>>13491884
What I write in unapologetic sword and planet in which the sci- elements are sound and logical, but there's prevalent space magic and particularly weird alien creatures. I never loord aliens to be basically humans, but a different color and with a quirkier personality. My aliens are as lovecraftian as it gets.
Also I treat planets as essentially a different dimension.

gay

>>13492853
We need one homogenized chart. As it stands right now, we don't need several charts recommending the same books.

>>13493988

>>13493992

>>13493999
Why are all the recommendations shit ?

>>13494635
Because if you’re too vague you’re only going to get bait. Put some effort in to get some effort out.

>>13494635
I’ve literally been reading xianxia exclusively for years now desu
Couldn’t imagine going back to regulars if I or fantasy

>>13494635
I have just the thing for you.
Soon to be a movie too.

>tfw find Case from Neuromancer relatable
Bit ashamed desu, thinking on it made me realize that I myself am a bland, quiet loser who knows too much about computers and has a stimulant dependency

>>13494299
In Reynolds Revelation Space series the lighthugger drives are powered by that ultratechno humanoid species (they are part of the drive).

I started reading science fiction quite recently but I am currently at a dead end. I have read
Do androids dream of electric sheep,
Dangerous visions,
I have no mouth but I must scream,
The foundation (or at least I tried but its utter trash)
And I have just started Roadside picnic.

Can anyone recommend anything similar that I might enjoy?

>>13495189
>The foundation (or at least I tried but its utter trash)

>>13495189
Blindsight

>>13494126
the only way you can defend against a ship at hyperspeed is if its moving through hyperspace at a velocity less than c. in that case, just blow it up in hyperspace, or prevent it from exiting by moving/destroying your wormhole

>>13494120
Hyperspeed requires stupid amount of energy so ships have to spend time powering up before a jump, and cooling down after one. No retarded last jedi hyperspeed shenanigans in the middle of a battle.

>>13495189
Flowers for Algernon
Slaughterhouse Five

>>13494675
>tfw might actually finish Desolate Era before Coiling Dragon
>DA is ~2x the length of CD
I don't know how to feel but I'm really liking it Ning is about to fuck up his first Primal Daoist

>>13494120
Define 'hyperspeed'.

>>13495189
>more Dick
>Reynolds
>Egan
>Baxter

>>13495016
>being this wrong on the internet
Only the Captain from the RS trilogy was integrated in the system. Ultras buy lighthugger drives from the Conjoiners and the lighthugger drives are powered by read Weather you wrong piece of shit

>>13487882
Only one of those people isn't a hack. And only just barely.

>>13495418
Casual
U r casual at reading

God doesn't exist.

evens and I buy Dune
odds and I buy Robots Dreams

I'm getting absolutely bored with gaming. Is reading science fiction and fantasy novels a good substitute?

>>13495889
Nah, it's more of the same shit.
I would recommend being actually productive

>>13495889
Yes, specially if you were into games with these themes.

>>13495901
god I hope that's a man

/sffg/, do you think the power of friendship can be written in a way that actually makes it look like serious business?

My MC is a cynic who would shit on the idea as reflex, but I was thinking that his character arc would require him to drop his bitter preconceptions and approach the idea pragmatically as a matter of teamwork and synergy

>>13495972
"The power of friendship" is a very idealistic theme. Having a character approach an iconically idealistic theme with nothing but pragmatism in mind, and having him exploit this theme with nothing but pragmatism in mind, would give the story a very cynical and somewhat metafictional undertone. You might want to consider that when you consider the story you want to tell and the character's arc. There's a reason most idealistic character arcs involving pragmatists and the power of friendship end in the pragmatist abandoning their pragmatism.

>>13495901
manface

>>13495901
The tranny is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a ____, ____, ____, ____, it all runs off him like semen off his face. But call him a Tranny and you will be astonished at how (s)he recoils, how injured (s)he is, how (s)he suddenly shrinks back: “I’m going to an hero.”

>>13494715
desu i tried reading it but couldn't just too boring

>>13491875
>missing the gift bag
fucking killed me goddamn

>>13494662
Ok . What are some easy to get into , fast paced , immersive fantasy books to get over a reading slump ?

>>13486156
I need more of these bionicles, OP.

>>13495291
>flowers for algernon
Based

>>13496101
>he took the bait
Senpai...

>>13496048
so, the main reason I'm trying to build on the power of friendship is that the story as a whole is built around the MC's own insecurities. Being a short, scrawny amputee with an abusive upbringing a passion in life that was up until recently considered kinda gay, and absolutely no talent for athletics or magic, my MC has a lot of shit that he feels he needs to prove to others. As a result he bitterly resents asking for or being offered help. (In particular the phrase "need a hand" never fails to set him off)

I was even thinking about the other cast members having pokemon-like hunting pets as an example of this need for cooperation. Therefore the fact that the MC doesn't have one leaves him all the weaker until he's finally willing to take an ally
The problem is, the reason The Power of Friendship is even a thing is that humans civilization evolved friendship to gain strength from numbers and cover each other's weaknesses while letting us play to our strengths. Now there is no civilization and with the MC's physical deficiencies his only option for survival is being able to rely on allies and having allies who know they can rely on him

>>13496283
the fuck? why are my paragraphs out of order?

>>13496296
Autosm

>>13496168
Nah , i knew exactly what I was getting into

>Should I bite my tongue and die to protect my virginity?

>>13496723
yes anon. dont let succubi take your magic away from you. wizardry is forever. thots are temporary.

Okay, done with Beneath Twisted Trees. Now what the fuck do I read?

>>13496766
Gaunt's Ghosts

How would you divide the world up in to thirds?
>United States of North & South America
>Euro-African Union
>Soviet Asia

I am looking for a book with that comfy tavern atmosphere in rpg games . Is there anything like that ? Don't say the wandering inn please

>>13496996
White
Asian
Dark

Has anybody read this?

>>13497017
Most Asians are dark you dumb burger bitch.

>>13497025
Calm down, Mohammed.

>>13497022
No,but it looks kino.

FRESH BREAD

>>13497339
>>13497339
>>13497339
>>13497339
>>13497339