/lit/ - Literature

The expanding universe means permanent separation of smaller and smaller volumes of space. If two regions can never communicate can they be considered to be in the same reality?

>>13474574
>>Cosmology thus provides a model of disintegration that is remarkable for its extremity.

Our current understanding of cosmology paints a picture of things falling away from each other that is extreme.

>It characterizes pieces that have nothing at all except a shared past in common, propelled into absolute noncommunication.

It is extreme because it depicts an always increasing state of separation that includes not just distance in time and space but also an epistemic distance. An eventual distance from the knowledge of your/our own distance.

>No political conception of separation has ever yet reached this limit.

All extant politics have so far sought to achieve unity of all humanity, or to conserve the current disunity in perpetuity. Land hopes for a politics of extreme distance that mirrors the cosmological model presented above.

Isn't the consensus view that cosmology could be inferred from a correct model of physics found from local information?

making your username on twitter
>name. phd.
lmao

>>13474574
hope to see all my fast frenz at this years conference

the future is based and fastpilled

https://www.futurist19.com/speakers

>>13474620
>If two regions can never communicate can they be considered to be in the same reality?
Yes?
Does this actually have any implications for humans today on the timescale of a life or generation or is this just a circle jerk?

>>13474670
>Land hopes for a politics of extreme distance that mirrors the cosmological model presented above.
Is this like Zizek when he wants to have neighbors that ignore him or sex with dildos in fleshlights?
What utility does this have? What is its purpose?

It seems like hes misappropriating physics and even trying to assign intention to matter.

>>13475956
Why are you so autistic?

>>13474670
Miss girls that look like this. It seems like a bygone age.

>>13476867
why aren't you?

>>13476847
>utilitycucks

>>13476891
okay then why does he hope for it If it has no basis in physical reality ?

>>13476936
>"The universe is an obsolete myth."

Like, really, what? Whether or not electrons can see each other at the end of time has no bearing on navigating reality today.

>>13476948
>The distance from which information can be received, or to which it can be broadcast, over any period of time has a boundary set by the speed of light. The space-time horizon of reality for any entity is determined by this “light-cone.” Beyond it, there is only the absolutely incommunicable.

Subjective reality is already incommunicable. This is just misappropriation of objective science to make his opinion seem universal. Land is a fucking pseud.

>what if reality wasn't real maaaaan

>>13477033
retard

>>13474574
>It characterizes pieces that have nothing at all except a shared past in common, propelled into absolute noncommunication. No political conception of separation has ever yet reached this limit.
everything communicates with everything.

>>13477119
You want to maybe explain how this is anything other than amphetamine psychosis fueled science fiction?

>Pieces are basic. To conceive them following from wholes is confusion, produced by unsustainable universalistic frames. Any perspective that can actually be realized has already been localized by serial breakages. Nothing begins with the whole, unless as illusion. Today, we know this both empirically and transcendentally. Anything not done in pieces is not done in profound accordance with reality.

Finally finished this convoluted meme post.

What a fucking boomer.

>>13476835
The answer to your former question is no, it doesn't have implications within a life of a human.

Regarding the "circle jerk" accusation, I find this void. Unless you know the meaning of life, anything could be interesting to someone and just as valuable as anything else you could concern yourself with. Procreating, jobbing, starting a family and doing hobbies is just as much of a meme than doing some fun but useless math. Unless you set yourself some purpose - but that's an individual thing and doesn't translate to the next person.

>>13477609
>anything could be interesting to someone and just as valuable as anything else you could concern yourself with
Sure, so why does Land choose to kill all humans and worship the AI? He seems to be implying that the fact that universals don't exist has necessary implications for todays society, or that they are more good or more valuable than alternative interests or meanings.

>https://twitter.com/metaauthor/status/1151102628157382657
this person seems to agree, its almost as arbitrary as Moldbug saying we need sovereign CEOs and it doesn't matter if they are just as fallible as today's leaders.

If that's the case then why make the effort to change? If some day we might not be able to observe history why should we act as if that is true now in our localized cosmos? Its all hinging on this hypothetical future. It seems like edgy rebellion against christian eschatology.

https://syntheticzero.net/2017/06/19/the-only-thing-i-would-impose-is-fragmentation-an-interview-with-nick-land/
>a hyperstition is an experiment. It makes itself real, if it works. And whether or not it works, is something that can’t be, again, decided by a process of an internal debate, you can’t as a result of some kind of internal dialectics decide that, hey, this is a good hyperstition, it has a great future. It’s gonna work because of its intrinsic relation to the Outside, which is something that cannot be managed

What is the intrinsic relation to the outside here? It seems like its just speculation on unproven particle physics.

>>13476869
as a kid I always wanted a gf like that when I'd grow up, only to see they didn't exist anymore after I turned 14. A sad world we live in.

>>13476847
The utility is that it will continue the alienation and propelling individuals to create even more alienating technology which will alienate the individual, and it goes on. The purpose? The fuck if I know, it's just happening and all we can do is kick back and observe it. Hopefully, the alienation will become organic in form of extraterrestrial beings sooner or later because I'm bored as fuck with iPhones and bullshit.

>>13474574
At this point he's just like an old man who likes to tell children spooky stories like this article before they go to bed, utterly disappointing.

>>13477033
>>what if reality wasn't real maaaaan
Not what he is saying. Think before posting.

>>13476847
Fragmentation is Land's primary political value. If you are familiar with Moldbug and Patchwork this should not be too unfamiliar. Land wants a multitude of micro-states attempting to pursue differing political ends as a way of allowing flawed ideologies to self-select out of existence and to avoid crab-bucketing what actually works.

The utility to humans is negligible, the utility to intelligence production is high.

>>13478612
It would be great if I didn't have to look up arbitrary meanings for each word he uses or if, you know, he could just write clearly.

>>13478636
Thanks that helps. I was reading Moldbug yesterday and he mentions patchwork in that interview from syntheticzero. Why does he put intelligence before humans? It doesn't make sense coming from a Deleuzian perspective. Is he anti-natalist or anti-human like Ligotti? The choice seems arbitrary, like "what if instead exactly the opposite"? Is he appealing to a higher purpose, like humanity was created to birth the machines. If there is no benefit for humans why should they worship machines/capital? What imperative is there to follow Land?

As far as I can tell he just wants to kill all humans for the meme.

Someone has to be the bad guy so he will do it?

http://sfbay-anarchists.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Nick-Land_Preface_The-thirst-for-Annihilation.pdf

>Noone less worthy of sanctity has ever twitched upon the Earth. I slunk into Hell like a verminous cur, accompanied by a wanderer of an altogether more celestial aspect. According to the Sikh religion humans are the masks of angels and demons, and my own infernal lineaments bear little ambiguity (everywhere I go the shadows thicken). When I stare into the eyes of Bataille's photographic image I connect with his inexistence in a community
of the kiln. I smile.

>My wings are ragged
>they have never been licked by the sun
>black and hooked on iron struts
>like a poison flower of death
>they only open for the night

t. 15 year old edge-lord who thinks he will become the anti-christ because he just read crowley

>>13478945
Thirst for annihilation is fun in its edginess but is not really indicative of what Land is about today, he pretty much softly disowned it. Land puts humans before intelligence because for Land intelligence is partly synonymous with capital and other processes founded on the intensification of positive feedback loops. Positive feedback is negentropic, it dissipates entropy and creates localised order, and on the most primary level entropy dissipation is what Land is about. Humans are not an end in themselves for Land but a means toward and product of an increase in localised entropy dissipation. In this way land sides with the mechanism that he sees as producing intelligence in the universe, not a particular product of the process (humans). The Lovecraftian/Cosmic Horror angle is really just him being playful as this is how the process of human intelligence being eclipsed by another may be registered by humans who are worried about the perpetual proliferation of humanity, but it isn't how some greater intelligence would necessarily see itself. With this in mind I think it would not be accurate call land an anti-natalist as he wants more of whatever can produce intelligence.

A finale note; the accelerationist analysis of techno-capital is diagnostic not prescriptive. You could, for example, accept the accelerationist analysis but rage against the dying of the light, so to speak. In this respect you see a bit of intermingling between the accelerationist and Ted-K milieu on places like twitter, and even here. There is also no need to worship machines or capital, because they don't need our willing adulation. It works through us, like it or not.

EXPLAIN NICK LAND TO ME OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU! DON'T DUMB IT DOWN INTO SOME VAGUE SHIT! EXPLAIN NICK LAND TO ME RIGHT NOW OR I'LL LITERALLY FUCKING KILL YOu! WHAT THE FUCK IS A HYPERSTITION? WHAT THE FUCK ARE TEMPLEXITIES? DON'T DUMB IT DOWN OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU

>>13480068
ok
the story goes like this:

>>13479133
It's weird - it's like Jordan Peterson's philosophy but in a non-metaphorical sense. The universe is literally a battlefield for two abstract incomprehensible forces one of which favors order and the other chaos. I would also say Land doesn't go far enough - it's not about Intelligence, but entropy dissipation in general. It's also not just Capital that follows this pattern, but literally everything. Gnon manifests itself through selective pressure indiscriminately on all contents of reality - from particles to ideas.

>>13480130
I am not sure order and chaos quite capture the tension. Is the heat death of the universe, a product of entropy, the ultimate levelling out the most basic constituents of material reality in to an a kind of absolute smoothness representative of order or chaos? Is life and intelligence, an uneven accumulation of matter and energy, representative or chaos or order?

What drives the man to value intelligence over humanity? At first I thought it was just resignation to the inevitable, but the way he talks about this at times is positively gleeful.

>>13480168
I would say that typically you'd associate entropy dissipation with order, though in a way they are both forms of order. That's just my opinion of course.

>>13480204
People often forget the Landian deeplore about how he is possessed by a Xenointelligence from the deep future called Vaung or Voang (forget how to spell it).

>>13480204
Humanity having inherent value is a meme. Once you realize that, you're just a step away from being anti-humanist like Land. There's also a religious element to it - the force behind Capital is not a natural law in a scientific sense, and yet it's highly deterministic, ever-present, patterned and irresistible. Kind of like a deity.

>>13480219
He generally seems lucid enough to make me skeptical about him actually, literally believing this, and if that's just him shitposting, the question still stands.
>>13480225
I don't need to believe that humans have some inherent, objective value from the point of view of the universe, simply being human invests me towards a pro-human philosophy. I guess I'm a pleb, but I don't see the appeal in worshiping a god whose triumph means my extinction. Yeah, it goes well with the Lovecraftian Cthulhu cult motif, but at some point the drugs run out and he has to confront himself with what he's actually advocating here.

is this nasa acc now?
i knew the moonlanding was fake, ACCELERATE NOW.

>>13476847
>Is this like Zizek when he wants to have neighbors that ignore him or sex with dildos in fleshlights?
Yes. Arguably Zizek's notion of ontological incompleteness is its own form of patchwork/incommensurable fragmentation. In fact, I'd actually go so far as to say Zizek's analysis is far more nuanced than Land's, particularly when he talks about disjecta membra.

>>13474620
There's no such thing as 2 regions that do not communicate, what is entanglement for 500 Alex. In fact depending on how you define communication the mere fact of having a shared past could qualify.

>>13480247
See, I think being invested in humanity doesn't follow from being human as trivially as you seem to assert. Humans are the biggest threat to the interests of other humans and furthermore, evolutionarily we're only capable of caring about a limited amount of other people.

>>13474574
>Preservation of human diversity is a staple of dissident ethnopolitics, with “Beige World” increasingly perceived as a coercive ideal. A typically inchoate resistance to racial entropy is the central mobilizing factor in such cases, though one regrettably afflicted by an immoderate fetishization of mandatory racial purity. At worst – and not uncommonly – this reaction against monohumanism has come to see all contributions to human genetic diversity through racial crossing as an avatar of coercive homogenization. The balanced response, to repeat the lesson of the dogs, is that a world of tendential speciation or increasing genetic diversity is by no compelling necessity a world hostile to mutts.

>>13480225
Patterns do not constitute will.

>>13480286
I didn't mean that I'm invested in the fate of the totality of humanity (as in *all people*), only the continued existence of *the human* in some form. I don't see how, as a human with a human mind that allows me to evaluate things, I could conceive of a good in terms entirely separated from human existence. When you say that humans are the biggest threat TO HUMANS, that's still a fundamentally HUMAN concern.

>>13480293
"Will" is an anthropocentric overdetermination of intelligence, though that's not to say Schopenhauer is totally irrelevant. It is not the same thing as runaway information processing, which is more along the lines of how Land understands intelligence (it being a definition which no longer requires the top-down delusions of the human mind to make sense).

>>13480204
If you think it matters what anyone supports then you're missing the point.

>>13480284
Quantum Entanglement has been shown to not be able to transmit information you moron. If you're intent on spewing mysto-STEM word salad, try to inform yourself sufficiently beforehand.

>>13480293
What do you think the bio-chemical arrangement of your brain is exactly?

>>13480330
I get the point that acceleration happens with or without human approval, I'm just curious why Land seems so pumped about intelligence discarding humanity as part of its optimization process.

>>13480345
The fact we can't measure it doesn't mean it isn't there anon. In fact superdeterminism necessitates that "it" is there.

>>13480352
Maybe he likes being on the winning side. I certainly don't think extra paragraphs of moralizing and condemnation would add anything to his writing. Aren't the horror passages in everything he writes enough to tell people it won't be good for their current values?

>>13480357
you can't make a telephone out of entangled particles

>>13480284
We can define communication as transmission of a piece of data that can be either of various information. E.g. via a blinking signal with a flashlight or something.
E.g. if you use your laser pointer to make blinking signals to the girl in your neighboring barn, and either peep her "kek" or "lol" using Morse code.

Spatial regions in the universe separate in accelerated fashion and eventually the'll be a point when light signals won't be able to make it from one section to the other. At this point, the two parts, albeit "in the same universe" aren't causally affecting each others anymore. For all intents and purposes, they are not in a universe anymore, with emphasis on "uni". The universe split into two.
That's what lands tweet is about.
And his blog post is a political metaphor drawn from it. I won't judge that one for now.

And with quantum entanglement, you prepare a state of a thing and then unveil it. The (not quite fitting but getting there) analogy is that your mom puts a blue and a red ball in an envelope and sends them, randomly, to your brother in Alabama and your sister in New Zealand. If your sister knows about the setup and gets a red ball, she knows that your brother got the blue ball. You "instantaneously" know about the other place by observing data about your place. The difference with actual quantum entanglement is that there's no mother necessary, it's just quantum physics providing the random aspect.
Nevertheless, as the other guy said, I think there's some prove to show that with this spooky letter content instant-knowledge games, you can't send signals in the same way than with a moving photon/laser beam.

>>13480364
>Maybe he likes being on the winning side.
But he isn't. He's human.

>>13480404
What I mean is on the winning side in the human predictive competition. Might as well cheer for the champion instead of the underdog. Then he has the pleasure of bragging when things go horribly wrong for everyone.

>>13480393
Maybe, but It's definitely impossible to make a telephone without them.

>>13476891
good luck making any sense of life without a notion of utility

>>13480404
Doesn't matter. He won't live long enough for it to hurt him, but his writings will be seen as prophetic at some point in the future.

as an astrophysicist it feels really weird reading brainlets use terms like cosmology for word salad dressings.

If only Land read and understood Hegel, he would realize how much of an idiot he is.

>>13480709
Dunning-Kruger: the post

>>13480612
I would be curious to hear more specific objections.

>>13480612
Sorry anon, but we can't have our terminology wasted on STEM nerds.

>>13480612
>word salad dressings
you do realise that limited reading comprehension is not valid grounds for critique, right?

>>13480730
The simplest objection is that the information of things crossing horizons is still preserved.

>>13474574
My dude is definitely out here using words lmao

>>13480792
You can act like you read it no problem but it only makes you look pathetically insecure, since everyone knows you were googling words like the rest of us. The solution, anon to anon, is to *actually* read and take yourself less seriously. You’ll find yourself posturing less because you won’t need to. You’ll really be what you wish you were now.

>>13481340
>googling words like the rest of us.

It is fine if you are new to Land, he has a particular style that can be difficult to parse at first, it sure was for me. But for those of us who have been reading him for years and are versed in the CCRU style manual the article OP posted isn't all that difficult to comprehend.

i dig lands somber tone old mystic man becoming. and at the end, the world refreshed and was a new, but the same old feeling lingered like looming lachrymose.

>>13478636
>what actually works
what actually works for what? what is the end game?

>>13474574
The excerpts are actually much clearer in the context of the full article, which wasn't obvious given the terminology used.
Still I'm not completely convinced uncle Land's emphasis over heterogenesis over fusion is as justified as he claims.

>>13480284
there is no 500 catagories in Jeopardy

>>13475956
>all blockchain people

Boring af desu

>>13480875
I don't know what that means. Which horizons are crossed that you speak of here?

>>13481704
Nick is talking about regions of the universe becoming causally disconnected due to crossing outside the cosmological horizon, Hawking discovered that the information does not actually disappear, and it builds up on the boundary.
You can do thought experiments where you can consider regions that do actually become causally disconnected, but from any given reference frame it doesn't actually happen.

>>13481261
>>13481340
This essay is very easy to read compared to the insane shit in Fanged Noumena.

>>13481738
If it doesn't happy for any reference frame, in what sense "do they actually", then?
And how does accumulation of information on boundaries enable communication between points inside the respective spatially separated parts?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6204648-Neuralink-White-Paper.html

>>13481765
>If it doesn't happy for any reference frame, in what sense "do they actually", then?
Because according to the laws and equations those regions do *actually* become disconnected from each other, you just can't have a situation where something becomes causally disconnected from the thing observing it.

>And how does accumulation of information on boundaries enable communication between points inside the respective spatially separated parts?
Because the information on the boundary encodes everything that passed beyond the horizon, so it's basically equivalent to say that the the stuff didn't actually cross at all.

>>13481833
I don't understand the "disconnected but not disconnected" part in the first part, but whatever.

In the second part, I don't see how something hanging at the border would enable someone from next to it to query the information there.

>>13481822
this shit is evil

>>13474620
not the point retard

>>13474670
how did you manage to not only make the original sentences more convoluted but also get their meaning wrong?
>An eventual distance from the knowledge of our own distance
>All extant politics have sought unity
wrong

>>13476948
he means we are already living in such a world where our "universe" is just a local state, e.g, if this is what eventually happens then we can assume it's already happened

>>13477033
???

>>13477135
how bad can the posts itt get

>>13477609
he literally outlines the ways in which this general tendency of unity and disintegration have implications for humans

>>13480284
brain dead reddit take

>>13481738
land isn't talking about black holes you larping idiot. you don't have a degree.

can't believe lit is 99% posts like this, it's incredible

>>13481852
I don't know how either, but in principle it is recoverable the same as if something falls into a black hole.
And what it means in the big picture is that recurrences do probably occur.

>>13481883
>land isn't talking about black holes you larping idiot. you don't have a degree.
Holy shit.
Imagine pretending to be knowledgeable about physics and not even know what a cosmic horizon is.
You are the reason Land fanboys are the laughing stock of /lit/. Everything Land talked about in the article is so far over your head you don't even realize how fucking stupid you are.

>>13481883
>he means we are already living in such a world where our "universe" is just a local state, e.g, if this is what eventually happens then we can assume it's already happened
Isn't this just speculation about the end of time? And I thought heat death wasn't known to be permanent. I'm assuming this essay isn't just a one off thought experiment navel gazing and explicating a larger point he makes elsewhere and he is presenting this as additional proof. I don't see the proof in his other writings though, just more self referencing spirals.

>he literally outlines the ways in which this general tendency of unity and disintegration have implications for humans

I'm completely missing that does he say it directly or as an obscure analogy?

>>13474574

Space is not even "real":

>>13479675
>You can't even go TO Space. It's a dimension or a vista OF the foreign or the terminal. At most, if you would somehow be IN Space, it would no longer be Space, but simultaneously Earth and nothing.

>>13480290
incredible how after all that he not only says "diversity is our strength" but he even uses the d-word without irony

>>13478231
God this is how I know I’m old and useless now

>>13474574
The universe has had accelerating expansion since the Big Bang. As a result, different patches of the universe become causally disconnected, as in, no information can be transmitted between them because they're moving apart faster than the speed of light.

>>13482320
Which patches are we talking about here?

>>13482434
Are you asking for a observable example?

>>13475956
that's the literally-whoest list of people i've ever seen

>>13480612
phil jargon > STEM jargon

>>13480068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVsyMalJXo

>>13482517
I'm kinda lost, so yeah?
Would it be something like a black hole? Or some horizon event?

>>13478207
>why does Land choose to kill all humans and worship the AI?
Sunk cost and delusion, and the classic deleuzian meme-method of juggling eternal return and revolution makes it hard to think straight.

>>13480395
>E.g. if you use your laser pointer to make blinking signals to the girl in your neighboring barn

>And he asks me "what the hell you're doing in my backyard communicating with my son?" And I say "I'm teaching your son about the universe! I'm shining a light right in there and exploring his room as he looks out and explores the universe. I do this every night with your son."

>>13482549
Also he got disowned from his family and fired

>>13482549
>>13482600
>I have always absolutely detested the human cognitive effort devoted to trying to turn a final form of anything into a psychobiography. It’s not that I’m allergic to ever reading a biography, but the notion that in reading it you’re really getting to the core of something seems to me utterly ludicrous. I cannot recall any interesting figure, where I’ve thought, oh, if only I knew their biography better, I would get them. Nietzsche’s or Deleuze’s or Lovecraft’s biographies are, unless treated very carefully, sadly distracting. Refusal of the psychobiographical temptation is the one thing I do try to hold onto. But the functionality of it is in the hands of fate entirely, it exceeds human strategic competence. You’re constantly sliding down the slope.

>>13482600
he is happily married in shangai to some marxist british girl and has kids

>>13482631
Words of wisdom indeed.

>>13482548
You know how people immediately react with utter contempt and disgust to incels? that's what he's talking about.

If you still don't get it, try to imagine polarization take up to 11.

>>13482638
His parents stopped talking to him after the incident with his sister

>>13482631
Classic "shoo me away from literature and back into philosophy" Land, that guy was one hell of a bad critic.

>>13481538

lachrymose is an adjective anon.

article is actually fantastic. vintage land. best thing he's written in some time

>>13482700
i like when he starts defending mutts, he is a sentimental after all

>>13480281
>Zizek's analysis is far more nuanced than Land's
Fancy catching you here, 5 o'clock. You already know where I stand on this: Land is intentionally digging his hole to the measurements of a hermetic grave, trying to "die right" in accordance with fresh, [retroactively] ahistoric future-conditions (memorialized, as another poster tried to describe, in the inscription of a demonic -not-yet-created AI parcel).
Zizek obviously couldn't give any less of a shit about instantiating his own mortality, he's more humanist and modernist than most anyone living today. The really interesting quality is how, in the last decade, his interest in politics has accelerated to a speed MUCH faster than Land's. He seems to notice a sort of revolutionary "moment of agency" (flying straight in the face of almost two centuries of post-Hegelian hyperauto/autistic history) on the horizon and is calling for a new storm of theoretical disagreements to try and make sense of it, whereas Land still wants his authistory to "speak for itself" (and on his behalf, of all things. A true hermetic).

>>13482934
>Zizek obviously couldn't give any less of a shit about instantiating his own mortality, he's more humanist and modernist than most anyone living today. The really interesting quality is how, in the last decade, his interest in politics has accelerated to a speed MUCH faster than Land's. He seems to notice a sort of revolutionary "moment of agency" (flying straight in the face of almost two centuries of post-Hegelian hyperauto/autistic history) on the horizon and is calling for a new storm of theoretical disagreements to try and make sense of it, whereas Land still wants his authistory to "speak for itself" (and on his behalf, of all things. A true hermetic).
did he really? i see Zizek as really clueless and just as having hot takes that are already really old when he notices them, i mean he makes the points more cleverly than other people, but that's just it, and he just keeps pointing to a magical """real left""" appearing somewhere, but at the end of the day his project is not very different to the standard globalist project, except he is smarter about it and sees the possible problems more clearly

Honest question: I really want to understand this dude and delve into his writings but it is really worth the effort /lit/?

>>13482986
*is it

>>13482993
Its worth it to own absolutely every kind of praxis you encounter online

>>13482973
>his project is not very different to the standard
Nevermind, wrong poster.

>>13474574
When will he get tired of saying so much nothing?

>>13482645
Okay but, I don't get it. You can call me dumb. But first you said thing about these patches of the universer that are disconnected and now you talk about incels. I don't see the relation. It's something like everything is going away faster and faster, the universe and our own society, in some kind of entropy?

.

Anyone knows which day of July Land will do the podcast he announced on Twitter a month ago?

>>13483723
He has already done it, its on tekwars. Subscriber only though

How do I make sense of land?

>>13482645
>>13483274
Please expand on this. I get what you mean by they are both polarized, Heterogenesis against entropy, but I'm looking for an archeology(history) of it.

How can he claim that these analogous things are universally applicable to what we are experiencing if hes arguing there is no such thing as universals.

How does he link them together, from cosmology to sociology, or atoms to behaviors, or is the only link just that they are analogous? That doesn't provide a very strong imperative, for believing him, I guess, if its supposed to be an observation not an ethical claim. Should there not be a historical record of the process to get to the same observational perspective as Land?

>>13482676
>entry level english pseud doesnt know about nominalization
out of all the things you can notice in the thread. gtfo retard

>>13483903
https://youtu.be/lrOVKHg_PJQ

>>13481883
retard

>>13474574
Boomer Nick fears change more than anything, but sees it as inevitable and associates it with an omnipresent tendency towards disintegration that he finds literally everywhere he looks, from metaphysics, to physics, to mathematics, to human action.

>>13480351
>What do you think the bio-chemical arrangement of your brain is exactly?

Do you mean the arrangement at any given time, a snapshot? This pattern changes over time, and to consider only the bio-chemical arrangement ignores the fact that this arrangement is alive and a life. When talking about how this pattern changes over time, if I am only giving a list of molecule positions and interactions I'm talking about everything but that organism's life.

Physics cannot account for evolution because the "bio-chemical arrangement" encounters its own rules by nature of situatedness, unanticipated by physics, and similarly neither physics or evolution can account for consciousness. This is not an exclusion of these accounts, but an inclusion with then into a larger sphere of activity.

Conscious experience cannot be reduced to "a bio-chemical arrangement of your brain" but it requires a bio-chemical arrangement, just as life requires a bio-chemical arrangement. This means you can't escape from context, in particular the context of our lives as experiencing, feeling, and thinking organisms. To seek to banish consciousness to the realm of causal indeterminacy is to make the same error of solipsism that would banish it to incomprehensibility.

TL;DR there's no escaping language and its problems by replacing it with mathematical physics.

>>13482045
Purebred dogs are among the most unhealthy and genetically deformed dogs Enjoy your Habsburg Jaw you incest-loving degenerate.

>>13482934
Interesting, you hit on an intuition on Land I've always had, his fatalism is just for show, I think his philosophy is as insidious a capture-mechanism (of the future) as capital. Yes, the God-AI is constructing itself from the future: through Land.

I will always prefer Zizek's melancholic good-naturedness to Land's amphetamine-fried misanthropic anglo hysteria.

>>13482934
To add to the previous post, the teloi of the future are exactly that: teloi. The future is a buffet, we can pick and choose, and Land is trying to convince us there is one and only attractor, and there always has been. He's more Atlantean than he knows.

>>13476835
>yes?
God I hate digital upspeak.

>>13483891
great, so apparently he was on the podcast together with Richard Spencer. But because they want to be greedy Jews, like Red Ice Radio, they decide to make exactly this episode subscriber only.

>>13481340
You can act like you read it no problem but it only makes you look pathetically insecure, since everyone knows you were googling words like the rest of us. The solution, anon to anon, is to *actually* read and take yourself less seriously. You’ll find yourself posturing less because you won’t need to. You’ll really be what you wish you were now.

>>13482648
w-what incident?

>>13482986
>gabbidull zo bad id gud
There, I saved you the effort.

>>13474574
>>13436429
FROM THE FUTURE

good discussion thanks!
and i wish richard spencer would have shut the fuck up on that podcast and let nick land get a word in. dont be afraid to mute that fucking fed kb.

>>13484296
Being against incest is racist, learn to embrace the culturally enriching practices that diversity is introducing into our societies.

>A world without mongrels would be a poorer world. Mongrels are often advantaged by special and even superior qualities. The Golden Doodle, for instance, is as exalted as any canine type that exists.

>>13485610
Nick Land wrote one of his best essays on the need for the prohibition of incest

You can't trust anything Nick Land says because he's tall and has a large frame. He probably got laid constantly so his philosophy reflects a lifestyle you can never hope to achieve

>>13484406
It's pretty good anon. They mostly talk about nationalism.
Kantbot said that they will probably do part 2 and he will make the 1st one free beforehand, so people can send in some questions.

>>13474574
>t.schizophrenia

>>13484269
>Conscious experience cannot be reduced to "a bio-chemical arrangement of your brain

why not?

>>13484194
Boomer Nick fears the AI running out of high-IQ biofuel because of woke retardation, or being delayed because of it. This is pretty transparent from his posts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfGjLIPRgDA

>>13484334
Oh he's a genuine "perennial seeker," he even tied his safety rope to Spinoza (the standard near-insane autodidactic safety measure) before he dove headfirst into the Outside. It's always just legerdemain, they either lose their minds or (often and) kill themselves after prolonged contact, and it's never much of anything but a tragedy. The three I narrow down as having (in descending [spirit-soul-body] order) drawn up the schematics for and even produced Deleuzian weapons are: Mainländer, Michelstaedter, and Weininger.

>>13486476
How does one "dive" in to the "outside"

>>13486516