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>>13470433
the paleolithics

>>13470433
You can practically just dive in when it comes to the really basic Plato, it's nice and introductory to philosophy in general. But for the right kind of context, read the pre-Socratics' fragments and know all their basic ideas.

>>13470433
OI OI OI
Eu fecho com o judeu da TV

>>13470433
The Greeks

Watch Neon Genesis Evangelion.

>>13470433
Should? Nothing he is the starter. The optimum? The pre-socratics and the first poets, if you want to be bored to death. My advice? [/spoiler]Vai na do Olavo e lê a História da Literatura Ocidental e marca e faz uma lista do que tu quiser ler pelo resto da sua vida, e acrescenta Aristóteles. Livraria do senado, eles enviam embrulhado em cartolinae fodeu a lombada no envio, mas é a melhor e mais barata.

>>13470776
ofuck

Plato's Republic along with the Homer is babby's first Greek writings.

>>13470433
>Giovanni Real's History of Ancient Philosophy
>The First Philosophers
>Heidegger's Parmenides
>The Illiad
>The Odyssey
>Edith Hamilton's Mythology
>Hesiod's Works and Days; Theogony
>Diogenes Lives of The Philosophers
>Taylor's The Mind of Plato

There's more but these are the ones who come to mind now. Make no mistake, any retard who tells you that you should begin with Plato is a retard. Plato is the end of philosophy; not only you read him to understand everyone else, you read him to end the philosophy cycle. Just starting in and reading 'The Last Days of Socrates' or other collections will give you nothing if you don't know the context and who's who in philosophy already.

>>13470776
>The pre-socratics and the first poets, if you want to be bored to death
Por favor, por favor, sai do /lit/, seu retardado mental. Volta pro antro de brainlets que é o contra os acadêmicos, e nunca mais ouse sair de lá.
>Vai na do Olavo e lê a História da Literatura Ocidental
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>>13470835
u mad bro? ;)

>>13470864
Yes, i am. I hate immigrants.

>>13470872
Me too! We could be friends!

>>13470433

Start with the primordial cyanobacteria

>>13470433
these digits

>>13470776
>he is the starter
Plato and Aristotle are the ancient Greek versions of Kant, do you think Kant is good for a beginner?

just dive in if you want, but read some other greek stuff later, aristotle, other philosophy, and come back to it. it's not like if you start with the greeks you can't come back to them knowing what people criticized in them later, just as you can start with nietzsche (not reccomended though), read people from before, compare what you already read with you are reading, come back to nietzsche... you have to reread, go forward and back, so don't get to worried about what you have to read first or what you have to start with

All you REALLY need to read before Plato is Homer. Even though Homer is not a philosopher, the Iliad and the Odyssey are important for understanding Plato because they form the bedrock of the Athenian conception of what the gods and heroes are like, and Plato spends a large part of his work responding to, and critiquing, these conceptions.

>>13471741
I read prose translations of both when I was about 11 or 12, pretty hazy on the details though
Should I try and find better translations of both and read them again, maybe I'd enjoy them more that way. Not that I didn't enjoy The Iliad in parts, but I remember The Odyssey being a slog that I only got through because I refuse to give up on a book

>>13471795
If you've already read them you should be in good shape, but you might want to read them again. Try the Lattimore or Fagles translations.

First Philosophers by waterfield

>>13470776
rapaz, me perdoe, mas eu jamais tocarei em livro nenhum do Olavo do Caralho

>>13471692
Except Plato wasn't a pseud like Kant, so his works are equally good for the beginner and the master.

>>13470493
this. especially heraclitus and parmenides

>>13472122
What did you say?

>>13472525
Based

>>13470433
Good book on Ancient Greek grammar! You should probably start with something easier though. Plato isn't easy for your first book in Greek.

>>13472525
based

>>13471558
Lost

>>13470433
learn greek

>>13472548
>not making sentence cards out of Plato's Meno, learning Greek as you go along, and getting a feel for thoughts expressed in Greek, instead of expecting a grammar book to provide you with some kind of framework through which sentences are created.
This is why Structuralism doesn't work.

Literally nothing.

Just start reading this and enjoy the journey.

>>13473555
no translated or bust

Every night, for a month, go outside and watch the sun set and the stars come out. Sit and watch for at least 2 hours. Return home and write down how you felt.

You are now ready to begin Plato.

>>13470433
The entirety of In Search of Lost Time by Proust. Only then may you start with the Greeks.

>>13474781
thanks I'll do something in this vain but for Hegel & Whitehead.